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Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.

Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.

Nothing wrong with being in the army, long as you aren't afraid to turn when the orders get evil.

Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.

If you signed...you're screwed.

and...what exactly is it that you think America is turning into?
I can get the gust from your use of words associating Nazi Germany...but I'd like you to explain it for me.

Nothing wrong with being in the army, long as you aren't afraid to turn when the orders get evil.

yeah I do have this plan to just slowly start stepping back from the event until no-one can see me. all inconspicous like.

If you signed...you're screwed.

and...what exactly is it that you think America is turning into?
I can get the gust from your use of words associating Nazi Germany...but I'd like you to explain it for me.

Well theres all this police state shit going down right now, that we all know about. But after that, since the admin will have that much power. To look even stronger to their power base they'll impose racail profiling. Then when a succsesful terroist action takes place, or they just make one up, bam, martial law. Racial profiling didn't work so lets liquadate them. Then theres Bush's personal religous plan he'll unfold, then cancel the 2008 elections. Shits gonna hit the fan.

Announce that you're gay.

Or you could stick it out. If the orders did start getting fucked up, I'd hope you'd have the courage to disobey them.

Shits gonna hit the fan.
Didn't that happen in Airplane?

Well theres all this police state shit going down right now, that we all know about. But after that, since the admin will have that much power. To look even stronger to their power base they'll impose racail profiling. Then when a succsesful terroist action takes place, or they just make one up, bam, martial law. Racial profiling didn't work so lets liquadate them. Then theres Bush's personal religous plan he'll unfold, then cancel the 2008 elections. Shits gonna hit the fan.

I'm really hoping the south will break off and go all theocracy on Bush's ass. That'd be funny.

If you signed...you're screwed.

and...what exactly is it that you think America is turning into?
I can get the gust from your use of words associating Nazi Germany...but I'd like you to explain it for me.

I'd also like to point out that I swore to defend the constitution which is being trampeled on. If it keeps going so far I should be within my duty to rebel against the state. I also swore to follow the presidents orders. However who is to say Bush is a legitamate president, and who is to say the word president even applies to him.

Just come on to your CO. It's that simple.

Act really gay. Start flirting with every other guy you can find. Get your friends who aren't in the military to testify that you're an absolute queen. Wear makeup. Talk with a lisp. Wear Hawaiian T-shirts instead of your uniform. Just a t-shirt. No pants. Go on your morning run naked. Take the food back to the mess line and demand that they cook you some proper escargot, "Cuz this shit is just awful!"

Hell, just start embezzling money. If nothing else, you can shoot yourself in the foot. Or break your ankle.

Set yourself on fire in a busy intersection. It managed to get Thich Quang Duc out of attending that fancy dress party he had agreed to go to.

Announce that you're gay.

Or you could stick it out. If the orders did start getting fucked up, I'd hope you'd have the courage to disobey them.

I actuall thought about this and have a freind who would make out with me for proof, could it really work?

Just come on to your CO. It's that simple.

Act really gay. Start flirting with every other guy you can find. Get your friends who aren't in the military to testify that you're an absolute queen. Wear makeup. Talk with a lisp. Wear Hawaiian T-shirts instead of your uniform. Just a t-shirt. No pants. Go on your morning run naked. Take the food back to the mess line and demand that they cook you some proper escargot, "Cuz this shit is just awful!"

Hell, just start embezzling money. If nothing else, you can shoot yourself in the foot. Or break your ankle.

FABULOUS HONEY! Rawr.:D

Just come on to your CO. It's that simple.

Act really gay. Start flirting with every other guy you can find. Get your friends who aren't in the military to testify that you're an absolute queen. Wear makeup. Talk with a lisp. Wear Hawaiian T-shirts instead of your uniform. Just a t-shirt. No pants. Go on your morning run naked. Take the food back to the mess line and demand that they cook you some proper escargot, "Cuz this shit is just awful!"

Hell, just start embezzling money. If nothing else, you can shoot yourself in the foot. Or break your ankle.

HELL YES, you guys a great help, for real.

Well theres all this police state shit going down right now, that we all know about. But after that, since the admin will have that much power. To look even stronger to their power base they'll impose racail profiling. Then when a succsesful terroist action takes place, or they just make one up, bam, martial law. Racial profiling didn't work so lets liquadate them. Then theres Bush's personal religous plan he'll unfold, then cancel the 2008 elections. Shits gonna hit the fan.

Just keep talking like that to the psych officer and you will be out from under your obligation in no time.

Well theres all this police state shit going down right now, that we all know about. But after that, since the admin will have that much power. To look even stronger to their power base they'll impose racail profiling. Then when a succsesful terroist action takes place, or they just make one up, bam, martial law. Racial profiling didn't work so lets liquadate them. Then theres Bush's personal religous plan he'll unfold, then cancel the 2008 elections. Shits gonna hit the fan.


Dont get me wrong, I lean pretty far to the left myself.
However....youre talking crazy.
Bush isnt going to impose martial law, nor are there bound to be any interrment camps popping up anytime soon.

Bush wouldnt dare suspend the 2008 elections.
It would sign his death warrant.

HELL YES, you guys a great help, for real.

Say you might be slow on the laps cause "(your friend's name) was a mynx last night." *giggle here*

Dont get me wrong, I lean pretty far to the left myself.
However....youre talking crazy.
Bush isnt going to impose martial law, nor are there bound to be any interrment camps popping up anytime soon.

Bush wouldnt dare suspend the 2008 elections.
It would sign his death warrant.

I know what you mean but I'm big in history, (perhaps you are to) if you are you know how fast this shit can go down sometimes. I dont only point at Hitler as an example, because more tyrannts move fast. the majority of the US didnt even know these bill were an issue until the house already passed them. For fucks sake they werent even on the news. Terrel Owens bullshit took up all the news time, this country will go to hell acting like that.

no, theres nothing you can do, but you can opt for prison if you choose not to go. Maybe one thing you can do is protest about it where they can see you. Help by talking people out of it outside the offices or something. Or just let it ride and hope your not sent away, maybe you wont be. Then only take action if that happens or something.

Say you might be slow on the laps cause "(your friend's name) was a mynx last night." *giggle here*

totally...


hey perhaps I should just stick it out in the mall for a few years...

no, theres nothing you can do, but you can opt for prison if you choose not to go. Maybe one thing you can do is protest about it where they can see you. Help by talking people out of it outside the offices or something. Or just let it ride and hope your not sent away, maybe you wont be. Then only take action if that happens or something.

Would claiming im gay get me sent to prison? cuz honestly theres a whole ass load of shit I wouldn't want from that. I'd take my chances with the vvermacht thank you.

HELL YES, you guys a great help, for real.
Any time :D

Additionally, you can do things to intentionally injure yourself, such as deliberately neglecting to stretch your arms before you start lifting weights or something, and then you try to lift as much as you can. Have a sudden conversion to Quakerism and refuse to touch guns. Have a sudden conversion to Wahhabi Islam and start screaming about how America is the Great Satan. Then proceed to convert to Buddhism and sit in one place, meditating, and refuse to move. Then start babbling some existentialism. Next, act like you're racist, and start cursing out the nearest black guy (though that's an unnecessarily crude and cruel option). Do you have any psych or physical tests coming up? You could probably find ways to fail them. In Basic, just take small doses of caffeine each night so that you don't sleep. After two days without sleep you'll be so haggard that they'll have to put you on leave or discharge you. Smuggle drugs in, and be high on the job all the time (but PLEASE, not while you're working with firearms).

And if that fails, move to Canada. Or New Zealand.

I expect you to keep us posted on what happens! ;)

EDIT: Would claiming im gay get me sent to prison? cuz honestly theres a whole ass load of shit I wouldn't want from that. I'd take my chances with the vvermacht thank you.
Claiming you're gay will simply get you removed from the service. You will only go to prison if you start disobeying direct orders in combat situations or else engage in other drastic behavior.

no, claiming your gay wont put you in prison, but refusing to go will

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Umm...can't he just quit? It IS a volunteer army, after all. Can't he just stop volunteering?

Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.

When you go to basic, yell in an extremely high pitched, feminie voice:

"Hey boys, are you ready to par-tay?!"

infront of your CO. You should be kicked out quit.

If your under a two year committment, just break something important (hand or foot) before going to basic.

With that delay, you probably won't even be finished with AIT training before your commitment is up.

Though I think pretending your gay would probably be easier. :p

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Umm...can't he just quit? It IS a volunteer army, after all. Can't he just stop volunteering?
No, you kinda sign a contract.

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Umm...can't he just quit? It IS a volunteer army, after all. Can't he just stop volunteering?

No. He signed a contract.

If your under a two year committment, just break something important (hand or foot) before going to basic.

With that delay, you probably won't even be finished with AIT training before your commitment is up.

Though I think pretending your gay would probably be easier. :p

Not to mention way more entertaining and less painful (unless you do start taking it up the ass)

I know what you mean but I'm big in history, (perhaps you are to) if you are you know how fast this shit can go down sometimes. I dont only point at Hitler as an example, because more tyrannts move fast. the majority of the US didnt even know these bill were an issue until the house already passed them. For fucks sake they werent even on the news. Terrel Owens bullshit took up all the news time, this country will go to hell acting like that.

Yes it will.

However, you really neednt worry about Bush imposing martial law, or suspending elections.

Remember that in order to suceed at anything, he needs the support of Congress.
He wouldnt even get his own party to support any of that.

Keep in mind that Bush is pretty much a lame duck at this point.
The Republicans are already distancing themselves from him, (with the exception of the recent bill passed regarding Detainees)

So, especially if he attempted something so radical as anything that you propose, he wouldnt get far.
If nothing else, take what little comfort in the fact that even the Republicans arent that crazy yet.

Any time :D

Additionally, you can do things to intentionally injure yourself, such as deliberately neglecting to stretch your arms before you start lifting weights or something, and then you try to lift as much as you can. Have a sudden conversion to Quakerism and refuse to touch guns. Have a sudden conversion to Wahhabi Islam and start screaming about how America is the Great Satan. Then proceed to convert to Buddhism and sit in one place, meditating, and refuse to move. Then start babbling some existentialism. Next, act like you're racist, and start cursing out the nearest black guy (though that's an unnecessarily crude and cruel option). Do you have any psych or physical tests coming up? You could probably find ways to fail them. In Basic, just take small doses of caffeine each night so that you don't sleep. After two days without sleep you'll be so haggard that they'll have to put you on leave or discharge you. Smuggle drugs in, and be high on the job all the time (but PLEASE, not while you're working with firearms).

And if that fails, move to Canada. Or New Zealand.

I expect you to keep us posted on what happens! ;)

EDIT:
Claiming you're gay will simply get you removed from the service. You will only go to prison if you start disobeying direct orders in combat situations or else engage in other drastic behavior.

Seriously, thank you. you may have just saved my life comrade!

No. He signed a contract.

Figured it was worth asking anyway. Ya know, just in case we were all so busy coming up with interesting and weird ways to get discharged from the Army that we missed the obvious.

Seriously, thank you. you may have just saved my life comrade!
You are truly welcome. It was my pleasure.

But seriously, you really do have to post about what happens :p
*rubs hands in anticipation*

(and if you need one more way to get out, have a mental breakdown. After the first day of training, collapse on your bunk sobbing, and then stop speaking except for the occasional "woof!")

Yes it will.

However, you really neednt worry about Bush imposing martial law, or suspending elections.

Remember that in order to suceed at anything, he needs the support of Congress.
He wouldnt even get his own party to support any of that.

Keep in mind that Bush is pretty much a lame duck at this point.
The Republicans are already distancing themselves from him, (with the exception of the recent bill passed regarding Detainees)

So, especially if he attempted something so radical as anything that you propose, he wouldnt get far.
If nothing else, take what little comfort in the fact that even the Republicans arent that crazy yet.


I do see that, but still what happened the pass couple days and the way it happened is still leavin my cockeyed....

You are truly welcome. It was my pleasure.

But seriously, you really do have to post about what happens :p
*rubs hands in anticipation*

(and if you need one more way to get out, have a mental breakdown. After the first day of training, collapse on your bunk sobbing, and then stop speaking except for the occasional "woof!")

Oh yes I will keep everyone posted.;)

Well I'm off to bed everyone, thanks for the help, really. Keep the posts comming for awhile, just to keep me fresh. I'll keep everyone updated.

Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.

Say I am a Homosexual then procede to make a pass at your commanding officer

Announce that you're gay.


^ That.

I ditto the 'be a massive gay' idea.

You can always hope you end up being part of the coup that ends this?

Announce that you're gay.


You could be... if you were the GAYEST one there.


Of course, if you get really desperate, the only way out is insanity. and I mean GRAND insanity.

Be sure to think that aliens told you to do your acts. adds to it. ;)

Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.

Blow your recruiter. ;)

Hate to mock for concerns, but put your tinfoil hat back on.

Tell your recruiter what you think Bush will do. If possible, wear your tinfoil hat while doing it.

Seriously, though. You made a commitment to join the army. You signed a contract. If you ever want to be able to be trusted again, you will take up that duty. If that doesn't matter, do what you will.

Of course, if you get really desperate, the only way out is insanity. and I mean GRAND insanity.


What about

FABULOUSLY

GAY

INSANITY?

I think that'll work best of all. :)

The only mistake you made was choosing Army. (Semper Fi!)

Seriously, stick it out if you think you can. You'll end up fitter than you would believe possible, and if you play your cards right you'll learn stuff that will serve you well once you leave the military.

If you really can't take it, talk to your recruiter before you do anything stupid. If you really can't hack it, you will probably be able to wrangle an discharge on the basis of unsuitability. The modern Army, even in wartime, doesn't want people who don't want to be there; they screw up morale, don't pull their weight, cause all sorts of problems.

As far as worrying about where the US is going - just remember ONE THING. You're going to give your oath to the Constitution of the United States of America, to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Your ultimate loyalty is to the constitution, NOT the President, NOT the Congress, NOT the Joint Chiefs or the chain of command. Keep that in mind, and you can't go far wrong.

One thing, though. If you give your oath and then break it, then as far as I, and a lot of other people, military or not, are concerned, then you're lower than dogshit.

Yes it will.

However, you really neednt worry about Bush imposing martial law, or suspending elections.

Remember that in order to suceed at anything, he needs the support of Congress.
He wouldnt even get his own party to support any of that.

Keep in mind that Bush is pretty much a lame duck at this point.
The Republicans are already distancing themselves from him, (with the exception of the recent bill passed regarding Detainees)

So, especially if he attempted something so radical as anything that you propose, he wouldnt get far.
If nothing else, take what little comfort in the fact that even the Republicans arent that crazy yet.

By 2008, the GOP will distance itself from Bush and the Neocons...that is, if it seems to be working for them. It's being tried here in 2006, and it looks like the Dems are winning. One of the Senators in Ohio (DeWine, for the curious) is up for re-election, and he's down in the polls, and his challenger is bringing up his track record of voting with Dubya (92% of the time, according to the best attack ad ever.) However, DeWine seems to be making little effort to distance himself from Bush, instead trying to barbecue his challenger for voting against the Patriot Act. So they figure out it isn't working, and the GOP, or at least a chunk of it, tries to disavow Dubya. Dubya's approval rating is, by 2008, in the toilet swirling around. Thankfully, he's gone on 1/20/2009, right?

Makes perfect sense. All Bush will have at that point is a final blaze of glory. If he goes out peacefully, he's remembered as a failure of a president. His legacy is Iraq, a big national debt, Iraq, the Taliban taking Afghanistan back, failure to take bin Laden, did I mention Iraq?, and oh yeah, there's a little matter of taking all the post-9/11 pro-American empathy that people were at least pretending to show America and turning it into full-on resentment. Oh yeah, and he's a lousy public speaker. He says "nukyalur," he makes quite a few speech errors, and he just plain looks nervous while speaking a lot of the time. And he said he never made a mistake. Puh-leeeeeeeeeze. At least admit something small, doofus.

So if he goes out peacefully, he's remembered as a failure. If he goes out in a blaze of glory and tries to keep the White House beyond his time, he's remembered as a failure and as a nut job who tried to become a dictator. Really, how much worse can his reputation get? Odds are he won't have the support to pull it off. If he does, we're in big trouble. If he doesn't...well, let's just say we might have a good belly laugh at his expense. And if the GOP has any sense, they won't let him even consider it. But he still has the blaze of glory, and he might be crazy enough to try it.

Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.The US military isn't the Wehrmacht of the 3rd Reich. As far as I know, if you can convince them you're gay, you could get out.

Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.

I assume you're male. Get caught giving someone a blowjob.

Announce that you're gay.


I like mine better.

I assume you're male. Get caught giving someone a blowjob.

You're thinking too small here...get caught giving one guy a blowjob, and they might assume you're bi-curious, as desperate as the Army is. You have to think really big here. I could go into detail, but it's probably too X-rated for this forum.

Democracy,is gone have a bad name,that is all.
you are free to vote

The only mistake you made was choosing Army. (Semper Fi!)

Seriously, stick it out if you think you can. You'll end up fitter than you would believe possible, and if you play your cards right you'll learn stuff that will serve you well once you leave the military.

If you really can't take it, talk to your recruiter before you do anything stupid. If you really can't hack it, you will probably be able to wrangle an discharge on the basis of unsuitability. The modern Army, even in wartime, doesn't want people who don't want to be there; they screw up morale, don't pull their weight, cause all sorts of problems.

As far as worrying about where the US is going - just remember ONE THING. You're going to give your oath to the Constitution of the United States of America, to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Your ultimate loyalty is to the constitution, NOT the President, NOT the Congress, NOT the Joint Chiefs or the chain of command. Keep that in mind, and you can't go far wrong.

One thing, though. If you give your oath and then break it, then as far as I, and a lot of other people, military or not, are concerned, then you're lower than dogshit.


Thank you, that conforts me. Becuase I DO want to serve in the military, and I love the constitution. Its the events over the past few days that have made me think it over. As much as I want to, I don't want to be apart of a military that controled by Bush, Rumsfeld, and the republican party, in a manner that degrades everything america stands for. I mean I have it good if i do go because I got firefighter as my job which I'd also love to do. But the watching america degrade itself in this way has just shaken me up.

You're thinking too small here...get caught giving one guy a blowjob, and they might assume you're bi-curious, as desperate as the Army is. You have to think really big here. I could go into detail, but it's probably too X-rated for this forum.

would you be interested? ;)

would you be interested? ;)

Only in choreographing it. I don't think my fiancee would approve of me being too hands-on. But I am happy to help plan.

Stalk around the barracks naked clutching a rifle shouting "YES, DRILL SERGEANT!"

Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.

So you can write a coherent sentence, and have access and CAN USE a computer,.. but you've somehow managed to sign-up with the military of a country that you consider the equivalent of Nazi-Germany?

That is the single most immoral, and stupid thing I can imagine.

You're not cowardly for wanting to get out of it, if you really do believe that America is Nazi-Germany-like. But you are stupid WAY beyond belief..!

If this is serious, which I don't think it is, then I hope they hunt you down, throw your ass in jail for MANY many years, and make your life a living hell having to deal with being such a complete moron.

Stalk around the barracks naked clutching your "rifle" screaming "OOH, YES, DRILL SERGEANT!"

edited

:p

So you can write a coherent sentence, and have access and CAN USE a computer,.. but you've somehow managed to sign-up with the military of a country that you consider the equivalent of Nazi-Germany?

That is the single most immoral, and stupid thing I can imagine.

You're not cowardly for wanting to get out of it, if you really do believe that America is Nazi-Germany-like. But you are stupid WAY beyond belief..!

If this is serious, which I don't think it is, then I hope they hunt you down, throw your ass in jail for MANY many years, and make your life a living hell having to deal with being such a complete moron.

I like what you just said, but I signed up BEFORE these "intolerable acts" by King George took place.

The only mistake you made was choosing Army. (Semper Fi!)

Seriously, stick it out if you think you can. You'll end up fitter than you would believe possible, and if you play your cards right you'll learn stuff that will serve you well once you leave the military.

If you really can't take it, talk to your recruiter before you do anything stupid. If you really can't hack it, you will probably be able to wrangle an discharge on the basis of unsuitability. The modern Army, even in wartime, doesn't want people who don't want to be there; they screw up morale, don't pull their weight, cause all sorts of problems.

As far as worrying about where the US is going - just remember ONE THING. You're going to give your oath to the Constitution of the United States of America, to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Your ultimate loyalty is to the constitution, NOT the President, NOT the Congress, NOT the Joint Chiefs or the chain of command. Keep that in mind, and you can't go far wrong.

One thing, though. If you give your oath and then break it, then as far as I, and a lot of other people, military or not, are concerned, then you're lower than dogshit.

*Stands and applauds*

leave it to a Marine! right on the head too!

IF YOU HAD DOUBTS ABOUT JOINING THEN YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT! I'M QUITE OFFENDED THAT A MAN WHO "APPEARS" TO HAVE BALLS AND STAND UP FOR HIS COUNRTY WILL JUST ACT GAY TO GET OUT!

basicly, as soon as you lowered your hand from the oath you lost at least 8 years of your life. but don't sound so depressed. im sure you'll run into people who would just "love" to read what you said about the USA!

SEMPER FI!!! DO OR DIE!!!

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Originally Posted by Insignificantia
So you can write a coherent sentence, and have access and CAN USE a computer,.. but you've somehow managed to sign-up with the military of a country that you consider the equivalent of Nazi-Germany?

That is the single most immoral, and stupid thing I can imagine.

You're not cowardly for wanting to get out of it, if you really do believe that America is Nazi-Germany-like. But you are stupid WAY beyond belief..!

If this is serious, which I don't think it is, then I hope they hunt you down, throw your ass in jail for MANY many years, and make your life a living hell having to deal with being such a complete moron.


I like what you just said, but I signed up BEFORE these "intolerable acts" by King George took place.

Rubish. You're obviously having us off, or you TRULY are a very high functioning moron. No offense of course, that's just a desciption of what you seem to be to me.

What, specifically, changed between when you signed up and now?

You've got a BIG job justifying why you're not a complete idiot. Let's have it?

If i didnt know any better,i would think the guy is just wussing out becuase he is either A) afraid of being deployed, or B)Doesnt think he has what it takes for basic.

-just enlisted last month,will be heading to basic training for the marines in a few days-

The only mistake you made was choosing Army. (Semper Fi!)

Seriously, stick it out if you think you can. You'll end up fitter than you would believe possible, and if you play your cards right you'll learn stuff that will serve you well once you leave the military.

If you really can't take it, talk to your recruiter before you do anything stupid. If you really can't hack it, you will probably be able to wrangle an discharge on the basis of unsuitability. The modern Army, even in wartime, doesn't want people who don't want to be there; they screw up morale, don't pull their weight, cause all sorts of problems.

As far as worrying about where the US is going - just remember ONE THING. You're going to give your oath to the Constitution of the United States of America, to defend it against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Your ultimate loyalty is to the constitution, NOT the President, NOT the Congress, NOT the Joint Chiefs or the chain of command. Keep that in mind, and you can't go far wrong.

One thing, though. If you give your oath and then break it, then as far as I, and a lot of other people, military or not, are concerned, then you're lower than dogshit.

Nah, the only mistake he might be making is not getting an MOS (either 19D or 19K, but 19D is obviously the best) that would ensure he ends up in the cavalry.

Anyway, you hit it right on the head.

Rubish. You're obviously having us off, or you TRULY are a very high functioning moron. No offense of course, that's just a desciption of what you seem to be to me.

What, specifically, changed between when you signed up and now?

You've got a BIG job justifying why you're not a complete idiot. Let's have it?

I'm not gonna argue with you over this, your nothing. I'll see you on the battlefied in america's second civil war.

If i didnt know any better,i would think the guy is just wussing out becuase he is either A) afraid of being deployed, or B)Doesnt think he has what it takes for basic.

-just enlisted last month,will be heading to basic training for the marines in a few days-

You little bitch, I want to be in the military. But I dont want to be in a right wing facist lovefest. Wether I go or not I will fight and die for the constitution.

Nah, the only mistake he might be making is not getting an MOS (either 19D or 19K, but 19D is obviously the best) that would ensure he ends up in the cavalry.

Anyway, you hit it right on the head.

My MOS is firefighter.

Well theres all this police state shit going down right now, that we all know about. But after that, since the admin will have that much power. To look even stronger to their power base they'll impose racail profiling. Then when a succsesful terroist action takes place, or they just make one up, bam, martial law. Racial profiling didn't work so lets liquadate them. Then theres Bush's personal religous plan he'll unfold, then cancel the 2008 elections. Shits gonna hit the fan.
This is one of my all time favorite conspiracy theories. Not only because it's nothing more than a paranoid fantasy, but also because so many are so blinded by their hatred that they actually believe it.

If you signed on the dotted line and took the oath you are bound to serve. Leaving now would be desertion. Disobeying an order is just that. Don't make a commitment if you aren't going to follow it through.

*Stands and applauds*

leave it to a Marine! right on the head too!

IF YOU HAD DOUBTS ABOUT JOINING THEN YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT! I'M QUITE OFFENDED THAT A MAN WHO "APPEARS" TO HAVE BALLS AND STAND UP FOR HIS COUNRTY WILL JUST ACT GAY TO GET OUT!

basicly, as soon as you lowered your hand from the oath you lost at least 8 years of your life. but don't sound so depressed. im sure you'll run into people who would just "love" to read what you said about the USA!

SEMPER FI!!! DO OR DIE!!!


And you will die at the hands of the new facist regime that you love so much. I didnt have doubts about joining until now, you gung ho peice of shit. I hope you end up stepping on a roadside bomb.

Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.Listen to Free Sheepm's.

There's nothing wrong with serving in the armed forces. It's every bit as honourable as any other profession. Just remember the various international conventions. If you aren't prepared to get thrown in jail on a more or less permanent basis, because US laws go against some of those, then it might be a good idea to start hitting on your coworkers.
Still, if you joined up, I'm guessing you were prepared to put yourself in harms way. Fighting fires is a lot more dangerous than jail. And really, that your government is dishonourable doesn't mean you have to be.

If you're truely worried about martial law & the like, then ask yourself this:
Is it preferable to be on the side with the guns & end up in prison for refusing to use them, or is it preferable to stand up to the ones with the guns & learn that some don't refuse to use them?

If you truely believe that's gonna happen (I don't), then think for a bit. You might end up realising that if it really happened, you'd be much better off in the army than anywhere else. Even if it means jail time.

Anyway, you are being paranoid. Seriously.

If all goes down police state style, you can be on the good guys side and bring it down from the inside.

And you will die at the hands of the new facist regime that you love so much. I didnt have doubts about joining until now, you gung ho peice of shit. I hope you end up stepping on a roadside bomb.

Someone's in a flaming mood today. Get better.

This is one of my all time favorite conspiracy theories. Not only because it's nothing more than a paranoid fantasy, but also because so many are so blinded by their hatred that they actually believe it.

If you signed on the dotted line and took the oath you are bound to serve. Leaving now would be desertion. Disobeying an order is just that. Don't make a commitment if you aren't going to follow it through.

So following a comittment of destroying to constitution was in my oath? remmeber saying that I was sworn to defend it. And I will, scream conspiracy theory all you want, its happening, open your fucking eyes. Do you have any idea what just went down in the past 2 days? your right, I did make a commitment. To defend freedom. And if need be I will destroy all enemies of it, foreign and DOMESTIC. Even if that includes the president himself.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/paulbubel/tinfoil-hat.jpg

If all goes down police state style, you can be on the good guys side and bring it down from the inside.

damn right.

Someone's in a flaming mood today. Get better.

suck my pineapple eatin ass.

suck my pineapple eatin ass.

That's not nice.

You little bitch, I want to be in the military. But I dont want to be in a right wing facist lovefest. Wether I go or not I will fight and die for the constitution.

-rings a little bell-evidence please,you dumbass conspiracy theorist.just admit your too much of a pussy to follow your oath and i'll leave you alone.you know damn well america isent nazi germany,and your pulling all this fascist right wing bullshit out of your ass.stop watching MTV and reading the new york times and grow a pair already.

And you will die at the hands of the new facist regime that you love so much. I didnt have doubts about joining until now, you gung ho peice of shit. I hope you end up stepping on a roadside bomb.oh yeah,you definantly have no place in the military,the only fascist here is you,fucking traitor peice of shit.what kind of asshole wishes harm on his future brothers in arms?hell,i think your dogshit,and i STILL would pull your ass out of the line of fire if ya needed it.what a dickhole,trust me,the army,nor the marines or any other branch wants some chickenshit asshole like you anyway.go back to your mom's basement and go post on your myspace blog all your retarded ass fascist america conspiracy plots that no one will care to read.

-rings a little bell-evidence please,you dumbass conspiracy theorist.just admit your too much of a pussy to follow your oath and i'll leave you alone.you know damn well america isent nazi germany,and your pulling all this fascist right wing bullshit out of your ass.stop watching MTV and reading the new york times and grow a pair already.

Leave me alone? what the fuck!? do you think I'm threatend by you or somthing? I bet your queer, thats why your bashing this forum, becuase no-one else in here has a problem with gays but your obviously a homophobe. And MTV? NY times? what the hell, MTV is shit, I couldnt get my hands on an NYtimes if i sucked dick for one. I've definetly got way more balls than you. You seem to be the type that believes "might makes right" I already told you, I want to be in the military, I will defend the constituion. Agaisnt anyone. That is your job in the US military, to defend freedom, not bend over and take it up the ass from Bush or the republicans. War is to serious a matter to leave to politics. And what do you mean were not nazi germany? do you have any idea how fast germany went from being a democracy to facist? what makes you so sure it cant happen here. You my good sir, are a well-to-do.

oh yeah,you definantly have no place in the military,the only fascist here is you,fucking traitor peice of shit.what kind of asshole wishes harm on his future brothers in arms?hell,i think your dogshit,and i STILL would pull your ass out of the line of fire if ya needed it.what a dickhole,trust me,the army,nor the marines or any other branch wants some chickenshit asshole like you anyway.go back to your mom's basement and go post on your myspace blog all your retarded ass fascist america conspiracy plots that no one will care to read.

Save the god mother country bullshit for someone else. This is the basis of what America itself is based on. I have no problem with the military you thickskulled neandrethol. I have a problem with the fact the the current administration is going to throw this country into a choas the like as wich it has neve seen before. I am not a traitor. Anyone who would stand against the rights put into the constitution is a real traitor.

Since some have been throwing around words like treason in this thread, let's all slow down and take a moment to understand just what the words treason and sedition mean.

trea‧son  /ˈtrizən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tree-zuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.

se‧di‧tion  /sɪˈdɪʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[si-dish-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government.

Sovereign is synonymous with president in the sense that they are both leaders of a state and are either appointed or elected.

fascist america conspiracy plots that no one will care to read.

How come about 90% of Americans that have merely brought up this subject are very scared about the future of this country.

How come about 90% of Americans that have merely brought up this subject are very scared about the future of this country.

Source?

Since some have been throwing around words like treason in this thread, let's all slow down and take a moment to understand just what the words treason and sedition mean.

trea‧son  /ˈtrizən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tree-zuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.

se‧di‧tion  /sɪˈdɪʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[si-dish-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government.

Sovereign is synonymous with president in the sense that they are both leaders of a state and are either appointed or elected.

Which is what the Bush admin. is doing to the people of the US. The government is the real traitors here, to the rights that milions of americans have died for to protect.

Stalk around the barracks naked clutching a rifle shouting "YES, DRILL SERGEANT!" yeah..

or he could always sniff shitloads of cocaine while Joining the Texas AirNational Guard.. (Yes I know he already signed)

yeah..

or he could always sniff shitloads of cocaine while Joining the Texas AirNational Guard.. (Yes I know he already signed)

And then become the president? hell yeah, I'm doin that one.

this guy is full of it,a bunch of claims with no support,and flaming out the ass.another whacko conspiracy theorist."germany was a democracy before it became fascist!!!111!" O Rly?and america was ruled by a monarchy before it became a democracy,and russia was ruled by a Czar before it switched to communism,what is your point?your just another coward trying to cop out of having to follow his oath,so ya,your a traitor.you made a promise to uphold the constitution by putting your life on the line,and now you want out before you could even set foot in bootcamp,well guess what needle dick,its too late,bite the fucking bullet and do your time like the rest of us.did it ever occur to you before you joined that you were basiclly selling yourself to the military and government,republican,democrate,or whatever?apparently not.

I'm with you on this one, Barbaric Tribes. If you no longer want to be in the military than you shouldn't have to go. You have recieved oodles of helpful information in this regard.

You shouldn't get too upset at what others said about you. Keep in mind, they went through BASIC, and are now fully brainwashed.

Insignificantia << 'nuff said.

Although seriously, I don't think you'll be furthering any governmental corruption by extinguishing fires, and saving lives...

Suck off one of your higher-ups (or at least attempt to) and put the video on the internet.

Dishonerable discharges ftw!

Or give yourself some kind of injury that'll stop you being able to do your job - although that's a bit extreme.

this guy is full of it,a bunch of claims with no support,and flaming out the ass.another whacko conspiracy theorist."germany was a democracy before it became fascist!!!111!" O Rly?and america was ruled by a monarchy before it became a democracy,and russia was ruled by a Czar before it switched to communism,what is your point?your just another coward trying to cop out of having to follow his oath,so ya,your a traitor.you made a promise to uphold the constitution by putting your life on the line,and now you want out before you could even set foot in bootcamp,well guess what needle dick,its too late,bite the fucking bullet and do your time like the rest of us.did it ever occur to you before you joined that you were basiclly selling yourself to the military and government,republican,democrate,or whatever?apparently not.
@ Barbaric Trbies -

Ignore this statement, they're illiterate.

That is all.

@ Barbaric Trbies -

Ignore this statement, they're illiterate.

That is all.

Thank you, This I know :)

Although seriously, I don't think you'll be furthering any governmental corruption by extinguishing fires, and saving lives...

Yeah thats a good point.

Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.

Say this to the sergeant or whatever: "IM GAY!" Then strip and run up and start rubbing against them in a certain way...

Since some have been throwing around words like treason in this thread, let's all slow down and take a moment to understand just what the words treason and sedition mean.

trea‧son  /ˈtrizən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tree-zuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.

se‧di‧tion  /sɪˈdɪʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[si-dish-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. incitement of discontent or rebellion against a government.

Sovereign is synonymous with president in the sense that they are both leaders of a state and are either appointed or elected.

Well, the government was set up so that the Constution is the sovereign and the president its executor.

seeing as that doesn't work too well, the President is now "the sovereign", so either is treason, depending on your beliefs...

I'm not sure if this would work today, but it might be worth a try. A friend of my parents joined the army (I can't remember if he was conscripted or not, but I think so) during the Vietnam War, but didn't want to go to Vietnam. To avoid serving there, he used every opportunity he could, during interviews and at basic training, to denounce the Vietnam War and the government. While he wasn't kicked out, his superiors were sufficiently worried about his effect on morale that they sent him to Germany instead.

This is probably a riskier strategy than faking homosexuality, but it might work in a pinch.

Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.

I dont know if it has been mentioned, I didnt read though everything, but if you want out, just tell them you dont want to do it. You did NOT give an oath. You give your oath when you get out of basic training, they just make you say a "semi" oath to get you to be more commited to going to basic.

If you leave for basic, you are screwed, and they own you. Until you do, even if you signed the contract, you can back out. I have done it myself, and that was after almost having my top secret security clearance finished. Now THAT will piss them off, its expensive to get that. Do you know what happened when I backed out...they told me they were disapointed with me, and that they don't need weak people in the military (to make me feel all bad, aww, so cute.) Yeah, thats it.

Ask one of the guys down at MEPS about backing out. They are not on a commission so they will give you a pretty honest answer.

Don't quit, don't call America Nazi germany. America doesn't have the balls to do what the Nazis did. So join, serve your country like you promised, and be a man. Or you know, sell out because you don't like the idea of the military being used to fight wars. Kind makes me wonder why you signed up for in the 1st place but thats besides the point.

I dont know if it has been mentioned, I didnt read though everything, but if you want out, just tell them you dont want to do it. You did NOT give an oath. You give your oath when you get out of basic training, they just make you say a "semi" oath to get you to be more commited to going to basic.

If you leave for basic, you are screwed, and they own you. Until you do, even if you signed the contract, you can back out. I have done it myself, and that was after almost having my top secret security clearance finished. Now THAT will piss them off, its expensive to get that. Do you know what happened when I backed out...they told me they were disapointed with me, and that they don't need weak people in the military (to make me feel all bad, aww, so cute.) Yeah, thats it.

Ask one of the guys down at MEPS about backing out. They are not on a commission so they will give you a pretty honest answer.

Hell yeah, thanks for the info if I choose to do so.

Don't quit, don't call America Nazi germany. America doesn't have the balls to do what the Nazis did. So join, serve your country like you promised, and be a man. Or you know, sell out because you don't like the idea of the military being used to fight wars. Kind makes me wonder why you signed up for in the 1st place but thats besides the point.

Did I say anything about going to war? your probably thinking the Iraq war, it has nothing to do with Iraq. It has everything to do with the government. Not the military. Oh and yeah, spitting all over people's rights, not standing up in the face of tyrrany, might makes right, ignorance, sexism, racism, all makes you a man now? becuase thats what the US government is having you believe in with these new bills. Freedom is Slavery, War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength.

Don't quit, don't call America Nazi germany. America doesn't have the balls to do what the Nazis did. So join, serve your country like you promised, and be a man. Or you know, sell out because you don't like the idea of the military being used to fight wars. Kind makes me wonder why you signed up for in the 1st place but thats besides the point.For defence maybe?

I'm not American but my government warcriminals decided to participate in the illegal invasion of Iraq. Our military, on the other hand, was bright enough not to order anyone to go (though they were diplomatic enough not to ask everyone to refuse the invitation). Of course, they weren't bright enough not to send the troops several hundred snowshoes, but that's a different matter (my poor, mismanaged taxmoney :( )

A great many of the of the candidates did decline, several pointing out that it was an unprovoked aggression against a soverign nation & illegal under international law.

Reminds me of Alice's restaurant for some reason.


They got a building down New York City, it's called Whitehall Street,
where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected,
neglected and selected. I went down to get my physical examination one
day, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so
I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. `Cause I wanted to
look like the all-American kid from New York City, man I wanted, I wanted
to feel like the all-, I wanted to be the all American kid from New York,
and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all
kinds o' mean nasty ugly things. And I waked in and sat down and they gave
me a piece of paper, said, "Kid, see the phsychiatrist, room 604."

And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

Did I say anything about going to war? your probably thinking the Iraq war, it has nothing to do with Iraq. It has everything to do with the government. Not the military. Oh and yeah, spitting all over people's rights, not standing up in the face of tyrrany, might makes right, ignorance, sexism, racism, all makes you a man now? becuase thats what the US government is having you believe in with these new bills. Freedom is Slavery, War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength.

er, didn't you sign up for the army during the Bush Admin? You can't just cut out because you don't like their politics.

Reminds me of Alice's restaurant for some reason.Hehe, I think that flick has a lot to answer for. My evaluation included. I went a bit further than they did though, but it was the inspiration.

er, didn't you sign up for the army during the Bush Admin? You can't just cut out because you don't like their politics.

How would you know? Are you in the military? For all of your hawkish views you'd better be in the military.

How would you know? Are you in the military? For all of your hawkish views you'd better be in the military.

Because as a soldier you are required to follow the Commander-in-Chief regardless of what you think of his politics.

Because as a soldier you are required to follow the Commander-in-Chief regardless of what you think of his politics.Depends on what those politics are. As a soldier, you are not required to engage in illegal warfare, regardless of whether the orders comes from a Bush, an inflatable fuck-doll or God.

Of course, like other banana republics, the US only recognises that international law applies to everyone else, and the current administration is no exception. So disobeying illegal orders will probably result in jail time. It still doesn't mean that soldiers aren't required to disobey that kind of orders however.

Part of being a soldier is having the balls to say stop. - It's what seperates soldiers from armed thugs

Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.

I hope you die.
Beheaded.
Sincerely I do.
You are a disgrace to the United States Army.
You didnt sign up five years ago, you knew this was going on and you signed a contract to be an American Nazi, to paraphrase your tripe.

You insult every man woman serving right now over seas with your dribble, you insult people you claim to wish to serve with.

You diminish the the suffering of the millions who were atthe mercy of real Nazis.

I hope to see a video of you screaming like an injured dog very soon on the news.

Really I do.

I dont know if it has been mentioned, I didnt read though everything, but if you want out, just tell them you dont want to do it. You did NOT give an oath. You give your oath when you get out of basic training, they just make you say a "semi" oath to get you to be more commited to going to basic.

If you leave for basic, you are screwed, and they own you. Until you do, even if you signed the contract, you can back out. I have done it myself, and that was after almost having my top secret security clearance finished. Now THAT will piss them off, its expensive to get that. Do you know what happened when I backed out...they told me they were disapointed with me, and that they don't need weak people in the military (to make me feel all bad, aww, so cute.) Yeah, thats it.

Ask one of the guys down at MEPS about backing out. They are not on a commission so they will give you a pretty honest answer.


This poster is correct, you haven't actually joined / taken the oath yet. You've probably only done the MEPS physical / pick a job / other stuff that is the long, drawn out process of joing the military (been there).

Before you leave for Basic (the morning that they stick you on the plane), they will ask you if you want to back out. Be prepared to say Yes, if that is truly what you want. It's much better to do it that way than to waste any more taxpayer time / resources. If you keep on going, and change your mind (say, in the middle of Basic) at a later date while actually in, they will certainly waste your time, and you will spend weeks or months trying to get out, being played along by the system, before you are discharged.

I wouldn't reccomend the whole 'psych discharge' thing, those have a tendencey to follow you.

My advice is that you make up your mind about what you really want to do. I don't think you have yet.

For what it's worth, I hope you don't join. Some of your comments are a bit over the top (wishing a brother in arms would step on an IED?), and you seem like you've already been psych discharged from the Game of Life. The Army doesn't need you that bad, dude. Get over yourself. With that attitude, you'd never make it through boot camp anyways.

God Bless.

Because as a soldier you are required to follow the Commander-in-Chief regardless of what you think of his politics.

It has already established that following orders is no excuse for any war crime. Why is it any different with America?

Bush deserves no loyalty from the US military because of the way he and his cronies used the them for their own gain. The ordinary US solider has payed in blood for our "leaders'" collective greed.

I hope you die.
Beheaded.
Sincerely I do.
You are a disgrace to the United States Army.
You didnt sign up five years ago, you knew this was going on and you signed a contract to be an American Nazi, to paraphrase your tripe.

You insult every man woman serving right now over seas with your dribble, you insult people you claim to wish to serve with.

You diminish the the suffering of the millions who were atthe mercy of real Nazis.

I hope to see a video of you screaming like an injured dog very soon on the news.

Really I do.

Your ignorance insults every human being in the world. Don't be so quick to deal with death and judgement. You're not in his (i'm assuming) place, you have no idea what his life is like.

Stay in it, after all I doubt they'll make you hurt people if you're a firefighter. And if they order you to put the hose against protesters, You know what to really do with the hose. (Answer: Miss... A lot, "Oops sorry commander, I'll get those protesters next time!")

I'd go. My personal belief is that if the President tried to become a dictator, the military would turn on him. The Secret Service might follow the President, but they can't guard him from a Tomahawk missile homing in on the White House, can they?
And by being a firefighter, you save lives. You do not take them.

I'd go. My personal belief is that if the President tried to become a dictator, the military would turn on him. The Secret Service might follow the President, but they can't guard him from a Tomahawk missile homing in on the White House, can they?
And by being a firefighter, you save lives. You do not take them.

The Secret Service agents are employed by the federal government. All federal employees are required to take the oath to protect the constitution. Even postal employees (which I am) take the oath (which I have).

As far as GW trying to become a dictator, it won't happen. Attempting it would get him removed from office and jailed.

Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.

If you made the commitment to the Army, and if you really don't have a problem with military service, man up and honor your commitment. You'll obtain training/skills that will help you later on in life, and you'll get paid for it.

As far as GW trying to become a dictator, it won't happen. Attempting it would get him removed from office and jailed.

If that is not the case, he will be attacked by an army of liberals and slowly, uh, I don't know... taxed to death?

Uh-oh. unless the libertarians did something, we'd be screwed.

If that is not the case, he will be attacked by an army of liberals and slowly, uh, I don't know... taxed to death?

Uh-oh. unless the libertarians did something, we'd be screwed.

Luckily most of us have guns. :D

Lemmie tell you something, future soldier to future soldier.

Our loyalties lie with the Constitution and to the people of the Several States. Not with the president, not with congress, not with any institution. The president gives us orders, but we are not loyal directly to him. We are loyal to the document and the people that give him power. As we are loyal to the people and the Constitution, we are obliged to follow the orders of the commander and chief.

The trouble starts when the president starts to violate the constitution. I mean, gross violations (canceling elections and the such). Such violations that are explicitly in violation of the Letter of the Constitution. As much as it would seem to be our duty to act, we cannot. It is explicitly the right of the people to overthrow a corrupt and tyrannical government. All we can do is sit on the sidelines. If we did participate, it would look like another simple military coup d'état.

Remember the oath we will take. To preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Set yourself on fire in a busy intersection. It managed to get Thich Quang Duc out of attending that fancy dress party he had agreed to go to.
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Ok, we all now know what America is turning into these days people. And I myself made a grave mistake a couple months ago being an ignorant american. I enlisted in the US army and my job will be firefighter. I signed the contract and the oath, but I have not yet been to basic. I dont leave for Basic until may. Someone give me some ideas to get out of it. If anyone has some ideas I would really really love to know. I dont have a problem with military service, I want to be in the military for godsake, but I DO NOT want to be in the vvermacht of the 4rth Riech. If ANYONE knows some loopholes I would love to know.


Stop being a bitch, remove your head from your ass, and suck it up. You enlisted. Maybe you should have thought about your decision a little bit more beforehand. God help you if anyone you serve with reads this.

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Nows thats a determined man.

I read about him, eyewitnesses recalled he was absolutely silent throughout the ordeal.

His heart, found at the scene was miraculously uncharred (well 2 thirds of it). It is currently on display somewhere.

You know, im not at all a fan of the current administration or its policies. That being said, its policies arent news. You knew about them, you signed up. Be a god damned man and take your licks.

If you're really desperate to cut and run, just pull a Klinger. The good ol' section 8'll do wonders for the yellow-bellied like yourself. Just put on a dress, waltz (don't samba) into the showers, and start shouting racial slurs at the top of your lungs. You'll get kicked out of the army and sent straight to the mental illness ward of the nearest hospital in near record time.

It has already established that following orders is no excuse for any war crime. Why is it any different with America?

Bush deserves no loyalty from the US military because of the way he and his cronies used the them for their own gain. The ordinary US solider has payed in blood for our "leaders'" collective greed.

George Bush, as much as I may not like him, is not a war criminal nor has he engaged in illegal activies/wars. Not to mention the fact he only has two years left on his term. The OP signed up for four(six for reserves) years which means bush will be gone before he will from the military. I think the OP is scared to go Iraq and get killed and is making excuses not to go. I don't look to highly on that.

George Bush, as much as I may not like him, is not a war criminal nor has he engaged in illegal activies/wars. Not to mention the fact he only has two years left on his term. The OP signed up for four(six for reserves) years which means bush will be gone before he will from the military. I think the OP is scared to go Iraq and get killed and is making excuses not to go. I don't look to highly on that.

A firefighter doesn't exactly go to front line duty in Iraq you know. At worst he'll be forced to go out and put out the fires that a Carbomb\IED\Sucide\Mortar\RPG did on a Humvee\M1\Group of Soldiers\Striker\Building. (But that would include the bodies :( )

A firefighter doesn't exactly go to front line duty in Iraq you know. At worst he'll be forced to go out and put out the fires that a Carbomb\IED\Sucide\Mortar\RPG did on a Humvee\M1\Group of Soldiers\Striker\Building. (But that would include the bodies :( )

Which is still risking, in fact people not on the front are often at more risk since they are less protected. But why are you worried about bodies, have you never seen a dead body before or something? Its just a corpse, death is a big part of life you know. You just stuck it up and carry on.

A firefighter doesn't exactly go to front line duty in Iraq you know. At worst he'll be forced to go out and put out the fires that a Carbomb\IED\Sucide\Mortar\RPG did on a Humvee\M1\Group of Soldiers\Striker\Building. (But that would include the bodies :( )

Being a civilian firefighter is pretty damned dangerous. And he is going to work with all kinds of nasty flammibles. Being a military firefighter is pretty dangerous work, even without being sent to Iraq.