NationStates Jolt Archive

I'm serious, I've never disagreed with Israel... EVER. I believe the Palestinians have no land nor nation, nor any claim to either. If asked about an issue, which I know nothing about except that Israel is involved, I will adopt Israel's stance by default. If asked for my solution to the middle east "Problem" I will simply say we need a media and communications blackout over the area, moments before which we tell Israel to "Kick ass, you can keep what you have in 2 years, no questions asked." So yeah, I'm reasonably sure that makes me a Zionist. Am I right? Does Ny Nordland hate me... more now? Do I make too many threads? Discuss!

Your a fucking genius my friend. I too support Israel in its campaign of murder and occupation. And I mean just because Arabs have lived on that land for centuries, doesn't mean it belongs to them. When will quit whining and just let Israel kill them off already. [/major scrsm]

I'm serious, I've never disagreed with Israel... EVER.

That does not make you a Zionist. It merely indicates a lack of independent thought.

That does not make you a Zionist. It merely indicates a lack of independent thought.

I don't activly look up issues mind you, but of all the ones I've seen I agree with Israel. Maybe it's a coincidence...

Your a fucking genius my friend. I too support Israel in its campaign of murder and occupation. And I mean just because Arabs have lived on that land for centuries, doesn't mean it belongs to them. When will quit whining and just let Israel kill them off already. [/major scrsm]

Wow, an anti-Israeli opinon? How novel!

I don't activly look up issues mind you, but of all the ones I've seen I agree with Israel. Maybe it's a coincidence...

Anyone who regularly agrees with the propaganda dispensed by any state is either not thinking clearly enough or is woefully ignorant of the situation.

Anyone who regularly agrees with the propaganda dispensed by any state is either not thinking clearly enough or is woefully ignorant of the situation.

Probably the second one. To be honest, all I need is four words "Promised land" and "Choosen people". It's practically a get out of jail free card.

I think I'm a Xenonist. It is truely the greatest of gasses, so proud and so noble, not like that slutty Iodine.
Plus there are just soo many lamps . . . sooo awesome . . .
*falls to the ground, twitching*

Anyone who regularly agrees with the propaganda dispensed by any state is either not thinking clearly enough or is woefully ignorant of the situation.

So the lazy man's way to being right more often than not and never becoming indoctrinated by dirty lil propagandists would be to disagree with every official statement issued by any state then.

I think I'm a Xenonist. It is truely the greatest of gasses, so proud and so noble, not like that slutty Iodine.
Plus there are just soo many lamps . . . sooo awesome . . .
*falls to the ground, twitching*


CLEAR!

*zap!*

Breathe damn you!
Breathe!

CLEAR!

*zap!*

Breathe damn you!
Breathe!

Oh let the man go. He'd want to die like this.

So the lazy man's way to being right more often than not and never becoming indoctrinated by dirty lil propagandists would be to disagree with every official statement issued by any state then.

It's actually not a bad place to start. As far as controversial issues go, your skepticism will probably be more justified than the faith of others.

Ny Nordland has no reason to hate you. You're for Israel, which is distinctly anti-Muslim in it's actions if not it's official policies, and Ny Nordland too is anti-Muslim.

He may be anti-Semitic as well, but that's beside the point. Hate, like politics, makes for strange bedfellows. Enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that.

Ny Nordland has no reason to hate you. You're for Israel, which is distinctly anti-Muslim in it's actions if not it's official policies, and Ny Nordland too is anti-Muslim.

He may be anti-Semitic as well, but that's beside the point. Hate, like politics, makes for strange bedfellows. Enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that.

... I'd rather she (I've heard female from all sources) hated me...

Oh let the man go. He'd want to die like this.

No...

LG would want to die like this.....Fiddles would want to be eaten by a Monica Lewinski Zombie.

Or any zombie really...

It's actually not a bad place to start. As far as controversial issues go, your skepticism will probably be more justified than the faith of others.

ALL issues are controversial!

(how am I doing so far?)

ALL issues are controversial!

That's going a little too far. You don't have to doubt the state's information regarding, say, the President's hair color.

No you're not.

No you're not.

Then what is?

... I'd rather she (I've heard female from all sources) hated me...

Well, we can't all get what we want.

Female? Huh. I don't think so.

I'm serious, I've never disagreed with Israel... EVER. I believe the Palestinians have no land nor nation, nor any claim to either. If asked about an issue, which I know nothing about except that Israel is involved, I will adopt Israel's stance by default. If asked for my solution to the middle east "Problem" I will simply say we need a media and communications blackout over the area, moments before which we tell Israel to "Kick ass, you can keep what you have in 2 years, no questions asked." So yeah, I'm reasonably sure that makes me a Zionist.

Assuming this is not a troll post...

1. This merely shows you are incapeable of independant thought or are completely ignorant or are brainwashed.
2. It also shows that you have no interest in finding out facts involved in an issue. Blint support does not a zionist make.
3. It also shows you are an extreme rascist who desires genocide on a scale never before seen.
4. Given your views on homelands and ancestoral rights I also really hope you are not of european descent living in north America, South America or Australia or New Zealand.

5. Although Israel has a well stocked army I think they would get whopped by Iran, particulary if Iran buddies up with the rest of the ME for the two years you suggest, in which Israel would have to make do without the help of America - I am pretty sure your proposal would go down well with a lot of the ME.

Assuming this is not a troll post...

1. This merely shows you are incapeable of independant thought or are completely ignorant or are brainwashed.
Very possible. I'm going to a private Baptist school, I can't block out everything.

2. It also shows that you have no interest in finding out facts involved in an issue. Blint support does not a zionist make.
I have interest, just not time.

3. It also shows you are an extreme rascist who desires genocide on a scale never before seen.
I never said any particular race should be killed. If America marches against Israel, then America must be defeated, and I realize my option is not technically feasible.

4. Given your views on homelands and ancestoral rights I also really hope you are not of european descent living in north America, South America or Australia or New Zealand.
I never said I was for ancestral rights for all mind you, none of those other groups are mentioned in the Bible..

5. Although Israel has a well stocked army I think they would get whopped by Iran, particulary if Iran buddies up with the rest of the ME for the two years you suggest, in which Israel would have to make do without the help of America - I am pretty sure your proposal would go down well with a lot of the ME.
Like I said, not feasible.
Don't hold back, tell us how you REALLY FEEL. ;)

Very possible. I'm going to a private Baptist School.

I never said I was for ancestral rights for all mind you, none of those other groups are mentioned in the Bible..

Like I said, not feasible.

Oh dear.

Oh dear.

What? A somewhat religious anarchist being subjected to fundie mind-torture? Yeah, it is rather sad.

Well there should be no anti-zionists out there. Zionism is a peaceful movement formed in the last 19th century due to growing persecution of religious beliefs. Now this all comes into contreversy. It has nothing to do with your religious or spiritual background. It's only if your belief is peaceful and there should be no reason why people would oppress you. But people do, because of their hatred towards the jewish people. Now ALL beliefs political and religious should be allowed to be free. People cannot be harmed because of their beliefs. This was when the U.N. was formed and to prevent this. But it doesn't seem like the U.N. actually does anything anymore....Sad and pathetic. But anyways yep, nothing wrong with zionism. There should be no reason why ANYONE should be persecuted for having NON-VIOLENT ideals.

There should be no reason why ANYONE should be persecuted for having NON-VIOLENT ideals.

non-violent?
alright i forgot muslims dont count as people.

Well there should be no anti-zionists out there. Zionism is a peaceful movement formed in the last 19th century due to growing persecution of religious beliefs. Now this all comes into contreversy. It has nothing to do with your religious or spiritual background. It's only if your belief is peaceful and there should be no reason why people would oppress you. But people do, because of their hatred towards the jewish people. Now ALL beliefs political and religious should be allowed to be free. People cannot be harmed because of their beliefs. This was when the U.N. was formed and to prevent this. But it doesn't seem like the U.N. actually does anything anymore....Sad and pathetic. But anyways yep, nothing wrong with zionism. There should be no reason why ANYONE should be persecuted for having NON-VIOLENT ideals.
"we're a peaceful people, so just give us your land and there won't be any trouble... what? you don't want to give us land your family has been on for a thousand years? TERRORIST"
Zionism has a lot to do with religious background...
Incidently - the first terrorist groups in the ME were zionists... but I suppose it isn't terrorism when you kill Britons or Arabs. Or more recently British peace activists and American peace acivists who are known to be unarmed, are not near anyone who is armed and weraing high vizability clothign to make them stand out from people who might be armed.

"we're a peaceful people, so just give us your land and there won't be any trouble... what? you don't want to give us land your family has been on for a thousand years? TERRORIST"
Zionism has a lot to do with religious background...
Incidently - the first terrorist groups in the ME were zionists... but I suppose it isn't terrorism when you kill Britons or Arabs.


in agreement.

my understanding is that the zionst movement started in 1886 by the book "the jewsish state". i think by theodor hertz. hitler claim this was one his reasons for his final solution. i would like to note that hitlers opion is not something i hold very highly, even in the few times i agree with policies.

Being a strong and big country eventually needs to be fed by lots of bodies and blood. Being a weak and small country gets you always crushed and fed to a bigger country. I prefer MODERATION, find some middle ground. It must not be utopic, it must not be perfect solution.
Which noone will accept.

Being a strong and big country eventually needs to be fed by lots of bodies and blood. Being a weak and small country gets you always crushed and fed to a bigger country. I prefer MODERATION, find some middle ground. It must not be utopic, it must not be perfect solution.
Which noone will accept.

complete and utter bollocks.

complete and utter bollocks.

because perfect solutions tend to be like :lets kill all jews 'cause they are the problem. Or kill all arabs in Israel, kill all jews in middle east, lets nuke Iran. See they are all perfect solutions that will never work. Like communism, anarchism etc. THEY ARE PERFECT, but never practically work.

I'm serious, I've never disagreed with Israel... EVER. I believe the Palestinians have no land nor nation, nor any claim to either. If asked about an issue, which I know nothing about except that Israel is involved, I will adopt Israel's stance by default. If asked for my solution to the middle east "Problem" I will simply say we need a media and communications blackout over the area, moments before which we tell Israel to "Kick ass, you can keep what you have in 2 years, no questions asked." So yeah, I'm reasonably sure that makes me a Zionist. Am I right? Does Ny Nordland hate me... more now? Do I make too many threads? Discuss!

Poor Shepie... You make me sad :(

Poor Shepie... You make me sad :(

I make everyone sad.

I make everyone sad.

Not the Zionists, I bet they love you.

Shepmagans - is your support for Israel based on the prophercy about the end of the world, the rapture and the like?

because perfect solutions tend to be like :lets kill all jews 'cause they are the problem. Or kill all arabs in Israel, kill all jews in middle east, lets nuke Iran. See they are all perfect solutions that will never work. Like communism, anarchism etc. THEY ARE PERFECT, but never practically work.

I would recommend you look up the meaning of the word perfect.

Shepmagans - is your support for Israel based on the prophercy about the end of the world, the rapture and the like?

No. But I do believe that prophecy whole-heartedly.

No. But I do believe that prophecy whole-heartedly.

Which at the end sayd the Jews must convert to christianity or face eternal damnation...

Real Jew-Love there. Wanting to use them as a means to an end and that end is bad for them...

Which at the end sayd the Jews must convert to christianity or face eternal damnation...

Real Jew-Love there. Wanting to use them as a means to an end and that end is bad for them...

Feh. For all I know God has made all religions to train us for a final battle against some evil force. /mypersonaltheory

Well - all I can say is that none of my jewish friends or relatives appreciate support from anti-semites who wish to use them in such a way.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Intifada1990.jpg/448px-Intifada1990.jpg

dumdedum

Well - all I can say is that none of my jewish friends or relatives appreciate support from anti-semites who wish to use them in such a way.

How am I an anti-semite? :confused: For all I know they can get into heaven too. I'd love for everyone to get into heaven... I don't understand how I'm a racist?

Feh. For all I know God has made all religions to train us for a final battle against some evil force. /mypersonaltheory

I've read something similar to that before in a Dean Koontz novel. Odd Thomas I believe.

I've read something similar to that before in a Dean Koontz novel. Odd Thomas I believe.

Huh. I'll have to add that to my reading list.

How am I an anti-semite? :confused: For all I know they can get into heaven too. I'd love for everyone to get into heaven... I don't understand how I'm a racist?
I think wanting to use Jews as a means to an end - an end which will result in many of them dying - and wanting them to convert or go to hell safely qualifies as anti-semitism.

Your a fucking genius my friend. I too support Israel in its campaign of murder and occupation. And I mean just because Arabs have lived on that land for centuries, doesn't mean it belongs to them. When will quit whining and just let Israel kill them off already. [/major scrsm]

And many of the Jews have lived on that land for centuries as well. In fact, it was mostly Jews who turned that land from worthless swamp into fertile and productive populated zones. It was mostly Jews who had experienced economic success in the eighteen-hundreds, and that success attracted Arabs who wanted to take part in it.

And many of the Jews have lived on that land for centuries as well. In fact, it was mostly Jews who turned that land from worthless swamp into fertile and productive populated zones. It was mostly Jews who had experienced economic success in the eighteen-hundreds, and that success attracted Arabs who wanted to take part in it.

From CIA World Factbook (As an American government agency i think we can probably agree it is not Anti-Israel....)

Ethnic makeup of Israel
Jewish 80.1% (Europe/America-born 32.1%, Israel-born 20.8%, Africa-born 14.6%, Asia-born 12.6%), non-Jewish 19.9% (mostly Arab) (1996 est.)

So a whole 25% of the current jewish population were born in Israel. If you remove those who were born in the last 50 years to immigrants from outside Israel (whose families by inspection have not been there for centuries) you have quite a small amount of people who have been there for centuries.

Weren't there like a few thousand before the Zionist movement began large scale illegal immigration in the early 1900s?

I'm serious, I've never disagreed with Israel... EVER. I believe the Palestinians have no land nor nation, nor any claim to either. If asked about an issue, which I know nothing about except that Israel is involved, I will adopt Israel's stance by default. If asked for my solution to the middle east "Problem" I will simply say we need a media and communications blackout over the area, moments before which we tell Israel to "Kick ass, you can keep what you have in 2 years, no questions asked." So yeah, I'm reasonably sure that makes me a Zionist. Am I right? Does Ny Nordland hate me... more now? Do I make too many threads? Discuss!

You're so zionist you look quite nazi. Your "Endsolution" to what you call "Middle east problem" (and that's not Middle East, that's Near East, Middle East is the former Persia) looks a lot like the solution Hitler wanted to implement with what he called "juedische Frage" or his "Drang nach Osten" thing. If the solution is "kill'em all" like you say, be warned that someone else might include you in a "them all" some day.

How am I an anti-semite? :confused: For all I know they can get into heaven too. I'd love for everyone to get into heaven... I don't understand how I'm a racist?

Of course someone who wants all (put any ethnic description) killed/exiliated/jailed/whatever is a racist, because he's judging and discriminating people by race and ethnic group, and not considering them as individuals.

Of course you're anti-semite, because the palestinians are arabs, so they're Semitic, too!

I'm serious, I've never disagreed with Israel... EVER. I believe the Palestinians have no land nor nation, nor any claim to either. If asked about an issue, which I know nothing about except that Israel is involved, I will adopt Israel's stance by default. If asked for my solution to the middle east "Problem" I will simply say we need a media and communications blackout over the area, moments before which we tell Israel to "Kick ass, you can keep what you have in 2 years, no questions asked." So yeah, I'm reasonably sure that makes me a Zionist. Am I right? Does Ny Nordland hate me... more now? Do I make too many threads? Discuss!

Though morally repellent, you will at least never be alone.

And many of the Jews have lived on that land for centuries as well. In fact, it was mostly Jews who turned that land from worthless swamp into fertile and productive populated zones. It was mostly Jews who had experienced economic success in the eighteen-hundreds, and that success attracted Arabs who wanted to take part in it.


Total nonsense without any basis in fact whatsoever.

Where were the majority of pre-zionist jews in what is now Israel located?

How much land was in settler/jewish ownershp in 1946/47 to have lead to this "economic success"?

I'm serious, I've never disagreed with Israel... EVER. I believe the Palestinians have no land nor nation, nor any claim to either. If asked about an issue, which I know nothing about except that Israel is involved, I will adopt Israel's stance by default. If asked for my solution to the middle east "Problem" I will simply say we need a media and communications blackout over the area, moments before which we tell Israel to "Kick ass, you can keep what you have in 2 years, no questions asked." So yeah, I'm reasonably sure that makes me a Zionist. Am I right? Does Ny Nordland hate me... more now? Do I make too many threads? Discuss!

Forget anything I might've said about my couch. The willfully thick, I'm not going out of my way for them.

I'm serious, I've never disagreed with Israel... EVER. I believe the Palestinians have no land nor nation, nor any claim to either. If asked about an issue, which I know nothing about except that Israel is involved, I will adopt Israel's stance by default. If asked for my solution to the middle east "Problem" I will simply say we need a media and communications blackout over the area, moments before which we tell Israel to "Kick ass, you can keep what you have in 2 years, no questions asked." So yeah, I'm reasonably sure that makes me a Zionist. Am I right? Does Ny Nordland hate me... more now? Do I make too many threads? Discuss!
Whoa.

I've dissagreed with Israel alot, I think the palestinians (should) have both land, and a nation, and they cartainly have a claim to both. If asked about an issue I will not adopt Israel's stance by default. I'm also against genocide, "kicking ass" and media blackouts.

And I know that I'm a zionist.

you however, are the kind of friend Israel is only too eager to lose.

I'm serious, I've never disagreed with Israel... EVER. I believe the Palestinians have no land nor nation, nor any claim to either. If asked about an issue, which I know nothing about except that Israel is involved, I will adopt Israel's stance by default. If asked for my solution to the middle east "Problem" I will simply say we need a media and communications blackout over the area, moments before which we tell Israel to "Kick ass, you can keep what you have in 2 years, no questions asked." So yeah, I'm reasonably sure that makes me a Zionist. Am I right? Does Ny Nordland hate me... more now? Do I make too many threads? Discuss!


"Follow the Asshole in front of you" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_behavior)

Total nonsense without any basis in fact whatsoever.

Where were the majority of pre-zionist jews in what is now Israel located?

How much land was in settler/jewish ownershp in 1946/47 to have lead to this "economic success"?

In religous arguments, if you ask a religous person to prove God, most will give it a shot, even the ones that know better. To date, however, only one person has ever come back with an answer to the second question, on this forum.

Do we therefore take it they know just how wrong and untrue their statement is? Or is it a form of double think.......

I live in Israel...
I am just going to say that your ever growing sarcasm regarding Israel or Jews on this forum is ridiculous.
I've learned to understand that many people oppose Israel and that many people are inherently anti-semite and the ironic part in it is that they're like that because israel or jews supposedly opress or discriminate against other people.

Anyway, debating those things on this forum is a bit unfair because people look to role play in the game and not hear about real life politics.

I live in Israel...
I am just going to say that your ever growing sarcasm regarding Israel or Jews on this forum is ridiculous.
I've learned to understand that many people oppose Israel and that many people are inherently anti-semite and the ironic part in it is that they're like that because israel or jews supposedly opress or discriminate against other people.

Anyway, debating those things on this forum is a bit unfair because people look to role play in the game and not hear about real life politics.

Okay, now repeat after me nice and slowly:

Gen-er-al Fo-rum.

Here is the description on the forum list: "For discussion and debate about anything."

What this means is that people who come here to roleplay tend to go to the roleplaying forums. This is a forum for people who don't roleplay.

We do, however, have a lovely taco bar. It's not kosher, I'm afraid. :p

Speaking as someone with Jewish Ancestry, fuckem.
The holy land belongs to the arabs, we lost fair and square.
Its not creating a good image for us as whiny bitches who cant look after themselves.
Besides, if we we're going to be discriminated against and killed, its a pretty fucktarded idea to gather us all in one place.

Probably the second one. To be honest, all I need is four words "Promised land" and "Choosen people". It's practically a get out of jail free card.
Ah... when I hear that, it's "oh dear, what have they done this time?"

Ok, you're right... this is the general forum.
I got the impression it's for rp because it was on the "latest threads" list in the game panel.

Ok, you're right... this is the general forum.
I got the impression it's for rp because it was on the "latest threads" list in the game panel.

Well, you can have some tacos anyway. :)

Well, you can have some tacos anyway. :)

TACO, TACO, TACO!

TACO!!!!

TACO, TACO, TACO!

TACO!!!!

http://www.aoadesign.qc.ca/scans/tacos.jpg

Tacos?

Are they Kosher?

Who knows...

Tacos?

Are they Kosher?

Who knows...

Tacos don't have to be kosher. All tacos are considered to be blessed by God. It's in the bible. *nod*

Tacos don't have to be kosher. All tacos are considered to be blessed by God. It's in the bible. *nod*
*coughs*

Urmm... I dunno that Jews are up for reading the Bible, which to them is rather sacreligious.

*hopes for extra line in the Torah saying ' Tacos are nice, _____ says "eat them" '*

*coughs*

Urmm... I dunno that Jews are up for reading the Bible, which to them is rather sacreligious.

*hopes for extra line in the Torah saying ' Tacos are nice, _____ says "eat them" '*


Oh, it's in both the Old and New Testaments. There are even tacos in Da Vinci's portayal of The Last Supper. And since they were jews, that pretty much clinches it. :)

I'm serious, I've never disagreed with Israel... EVER. I believe the Palestinians have no land nor nation, nor any claim to either. If asked about an issue, which I know nothing about except that Israel is involved, I will adopt Israel's stance by default.
You're not a Zionist, you're a brainwashed moron.

Ny Nordland has no reason to hate you. You're for Israel, which is distinctly anti-Muslim in it's actions if not it's official policies, and Ny Nordland too is anti-Muslim.

He may be anti-Semitic as well, but that's beside the point. Hate, like politics, makes for strange bedfellows. Enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that.
But even more than being anti-Muslim Israel is full of Jews and Nordland h8s teh j00s. (probably)

You're not a Zionist, you're a brainwashed moron.
Correct!
But even more than being anti-Muslim Israel is full of Jews and Nordland h8s teh j00s. (probably)
Urmm I'm not quite sure of Ny's views on Jews. I think he doesn't mind them, as long as they're not "brown" as he so eloquently puts it.

You're not a Zionist, you're a brainwashed moron.


But even more than being anti-Muslim Israel is full of Jews and Nordland h8s teh j00s. (probably)

He seems more put off to the lightly tanned through to almost actually black, rather than Jews, so presumably once they're pale, pasty, zit laden articles like himself, they will be considered members of the 'superior' race.

It has been a great effort to try and bring my point of view to people who nationally oppose me, it has also been a useless effort... people would keep their former stances and we'd just agree to disagree or agree to have killed each other if we ever meet in person (when cases are extreme).

All I have to say is that I'll do whatever is required to maintain my freedom;
say whatever you want, be anti-semite if you like... I don't care... take a step closer to implementing your views and I'll shoot you down, not because I hate you, but because I care about myself and those who are dear to me.

I hope we'll meet an agreement some day, otherwise, expect to meet cold metal.

It has been a great effort to try and bring my point of view to people who nationally oppose me, it has also been a useless effort... people would keep their former stances and we'd just agree to disagree or agree to have killed each other if we ever meet in person (when cases are extreme).

All I have to say is that I'll do whatever is required to maintain my freedom;
say whatever you want, be anti-semite if you like... I don't care... take a step closer to implementing your views and I'll shoot you down, not because I hate you, but because I care about myself and those who are dear to me.

I hope we'll meet an agreement some day, otherwise, expect to meet cold metal.

Ugh. Once more into the breach dear friends....

Being critical of certain Israeli Govt. policies =/= anti-Semitism.

Ahem, I wasn't saying that those who oppose Israel or the Israeli government are anti-semetic... I am saying that it's one's right to be anti-semetic if they want to; the question is whether they are going to implement it and if so I have every right to stand against them... it's self defense.

I live in Israel...
I am just going to say that your ever growing sarcasm regarding Israel or Jews on this forum is ridiculous.
I've learned to understand that many people oppose Israel and that many people are inherently anti-semite and the ironic part in it is that they're like that because israel or jews supposedly opress or discriminate against other people.


:D :D :D



I hope we'll meet an agreement some day, otherwise, expect to meet cold metal.

another zionist fascist joins NS. fantastic.

i note he didnt condemn the OP's appaling ignorance and bile either. kind of like when the israeli govt made friends with the facists in the italian government (whose predecessors rounded up jews and sent them to belsen) because they hate muslims too. what a morally bankrupt political movement zionism has become.

Ahem, I wasn't saying that those who oppose Israel or the Israeli government are anti-semetic.

You sure as hell implied it. Nobody here is saying anything racist and the critizism is against Israel and it's government actions - NOT against Jewish people - so any claims of "anti-semitism' you make must be based on peoples opposition to the government of Israel.

I'm a Zionist in the traditional sense. I agree with the original premise that the Jews need a to band together in a homeland or else they will always be persecuted. As was proven by the Holocaust.

Thus I agree with Israel's right to exist but I often disagree with their policies.

Correct!

Urmm I'm not quite sure of Ny's views on Jews. I think he doesn't mind them, as long as they're not "brown" as he so eloquently puts it.
It's still quite probable that he dislikes Israel for permitting Arab Muslims to form 20% of its population.

I live in Israel...
I am just going to say that your ever growing sarcasm regarding Israel or Jews on this forum is ridiculous.
I've learned to understand that many people oppose Israel and that many people are inherently anti-semite and the ironic part in it is that they're like that because israel or jews supposedly opress or discriminate against other people.
(omissis)

I do oppose the expansionism of Israel, and its policies about the palestinians (note that I'm not saying I'm supporting of terroristic attacks against Israeli civilians). I think that the government of Israel taking the wrong steps if they want to secure peace to their own country, or treat their neighbours with justice and respect. Yea, I think Israel (not all jews, not all israeli, Israel as a country with a government) oppresses and discriminates against:
1.Palestinians and Israeli Arabs
2.Non-israeli-born people (for example, soviet-born immigrate jews)
This is the effect of what I call a paranoid siege syndrome - quite understandable if you consider how the jews have been treated in the last centuries . But this doesn't justify cluster bombs on Lebanon or failure to comply with UN resolutions, for example.
I think it is very sad that the israeli paranoia leads to such behaviour, and it would be in the best interests of Israel, of israeli people and of jews everywhere to stop it.
I'm not anti-jews (nor anti-semite). And I hate what the nazis, the christians etc did to the jews.

Speaking as someone with Jewish Ancestry, fuckem.
The holy land belongs to the arabs, we lost fair and square.
Its not creating a good image for us as whiny bitches who cant look after themselves.
Besides, if we we're going to be discriminated against and killed, its a pretty fucktarded idea to gather us all in one place.

I guess you'd like the Birobidjan idea... you know, the "promised land" CCCP granted to soviet jews, somewhere in Eastern Siberia. It is probabily the last place on Earth where the Ashkenazy jews still speak Yiddsh as common language. Cool... I like Yiddish (hope I'm spelling it right)
Anyway, young jews from Birobidjan are emigrating to Israel... so they end up in a kibbutz (and that's a shit of a life, I'm told), and must go risk their lives against angry palestinians, crazed orthodoxes, enraged lebanese... there has to be a streak of masochism somewhere in them.