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I've noticed nearly all NSers who lean left, from social democrats to communists (the bulk of which are anarcho-communists) are very libertarian socially. Are there are any authoritarian leftists on here, such as Stalinists or Maoists?

Doubt it.

I think there are many communists on this thread who are totally authoritarian on what you can buy, get paid, work, sell or even have. Though on a social scale be the complete opposite, seems rather hypocritical to me.

I've seen a couple pop up since I first started posting here, but they're usually about 14 years old and don't stick around for long.

I've seen a couple pop up since I first started posting here, but they're usually about 14 years old and don't stick around for long.

lol

You yourself are anarcho-communist, yes?

I don't think you'll find anyone here singing of the "great" deeds of Mao or Stalin.

I thought there was a Maoist or two on here a while back, but I can't remember any Stalin apologists.

I don't think you'll find anyone here singing of the "great" deeds of Mao or Stalin.

You never know.

I heard from a friend that there used to be some ultra-rightist white supremacists on this forum. If creeps like that lurked around, maybe Maoists and Stalinists may pop up sooner or later.

Apparantly Im authoritarian. The libertarians and the left-anarchists have both agreed.

You never know.

I heard from a friend that there used to be some ultra-rightist white supremacists on this forum. If creeps like that lurked around, maybe Maoists and Stalinists may pop up sooner or later.

Well, there are white supremacists, not necessarily ultra-right.

There are also some ultra-right people, but again not necessarily white supremacists.

If you get my meaning?

I don't think you'll find anyone here singing of the "great" deeds of Mao or Stalin.
Not even Stalin's moustache?

Well, there are white supremacists, not necessarily ultra-right.

There are also some ultra-right people, but again not necessarily white supremacists.

If you get my meaning?

There was one, though. He was repeatedly deleted. Decisive-something? :confused:

I think there are many communists on this thread who are totally authoritarian on what you can buy, get paid, work, sell or even have. Though on a social scale be the complete opposite, seems rather hypocritical to me.As far as I can tell, the socialists looking for increased regulation of capitalism, actuallu reject the system entirely, but try to work with what they've got. I wouldn't call that hypocritical (though I don't agree).

I know I am. I try to keep at "Father Knows Best State" as much as possible. Socially free citizens, but keep political rights tight. People have to earn those through government/military service. :)

I think Mao, Stalin, Castro, Che Guevera and Pol Pot showed the failings of the ideology of the authoritarian left sufficiently to discredit it in it's entirety as a legitimate philosophical movement, instead of little more than just a bunch of thugs with rhetoric.

I think there are many communists on this thread who are totally authoritarian on what you can buy, get paid, work, sell or even have. Though on a social scale be the complete opposite, seems rather hypocritical to me.

Well; I don't see my views as authoritarian in that sense. Under capitalism, I have similar restrictions anyway - I am restricted from owning a house because I haven't entitled myself to one, but somehow Paris Hilton has. Workers in developing nations are impoverished and restrictions are placed upon their ownership rights, because to pay them more would impede upon the profits of capitalists there and in the west. Forgive me, but that seems pretty authoritarian to me, and that's compounded by the "that's how it is, so deal with it" attitude prevalent in society.

In any case, I don't believe in any enforcement of a socialist economy with force or authority, as such ('tis a tricky question, because that would depend how others react to the establishment of such a society.) - or needlessly restricting what people can claim as personal property. My problem is with ownership of the means of production, and not with whatever creature comforts people have. (most of us make that distinction.)

A lot of my family are left-wing authoritarians, but I don't think they are the sort of people who would neccessarily discover this site.

no. i am proud to be in the libertarian right.

no. i am proud to be in the libertarian right.

I'm proud to be your sworn enemy then, a member of the libertarian left.

no. i am proud to be in the libertarian right.

w00t!

I've noticed nearly all NSers who lean left, from social democrats to communists (the bulk of which are anarcho-communists) are very libertarian socially. Are there are any authoritarian leftists on here, such as Stalinists or Maoists?

No one pursues authoritarian communism as an end in itself. It's always an "accident" that occurs when people gather behind a leader who promises them an egalitarian society after the overthrow of a stratified fascist style government, such as a military dictatorship.

Once they gather behind that leader and give him the power needed to put this society in place, he invariably fails to do so, and instead chooses to retain the privileges of power.

I think there are many communists on this thread who are totally authoritarian on what you can buy, get paid, work, sell or even have. Though on a social scale be the complete opposite, seems rather hypocritical to me.

A, you have no understanding of what hypocrisy is. Hypocrisy would be campaigning to ban cigarettes when you smoke them. Campaigning to ban beer when you smoke cigarettes is not hypocritical. It's a double standard.

B, Very few people are extreme in either capacity (economic or social). You seem to be determining left and right based on whether they're to the left or right of you. We all find our own position on each issue. It is no inherent moral flaw for a person to be to the right of you on one issue but to the left of you on another.

C, Do you think that observation you made is of greater hypocrisy than those who believe that the freedom to pay lousy wages, buy overpriced crap, sell shody products, or work in a dangerous environment is of paramount importance, but the rights to have private phone calls, marry the person of your choice, speak your mind, or recieve fair trials are trivial?