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The radical Muslims have won in Germany. This is the 250th birthday of Mozart, one of the greatest composers of all time. However, the Deutsche Oper in Berlin has given in to the radical Muslims and canceled a scheduled production of Mozart's Idomeneo.

Why would they cancel performance of an opera written by such a famous Composer? Because the opera included a scene in which shows the severed heads of Poseidon, Buddha, Jesus, and Mohammed?

Well it seems the police told the good folks at the opera that a certain group might become upset. Was it the “fishes in the deep blue sea” or the Greeks who would be upset because of the head of Poseidon? Was it the peaceful Buddhists that threatened violence because the head of Buddha would be depicted? Maybe it was the “radical Christian Fundies” who would cause trouble and riot in the streets because the head of Jesus would be depicted in such a despicable manner. Could it be the Muslims might do something rash because showing the head of Mohammed would be an insult to Islam?

Come on people. It is time to get real. Radicals of any faith should not be threatening anyone over an opera or a cartoon. Although the scenes with the severed heads was not written into the original opera, this version has been show before. It is time to stop this crap of giving in to the terrorists.

For more information or disinformation:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/arts/articulate/200609/s1750544.htm

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/martin_kettle/2006/09/mozart_is_not_muhammade_enemy.html

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20488684-2703,00.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2378381,00.html

a Thread was already made about this, the opera was planned for 3 years but put off, so they used politcal correctness as an excuse for their failure in producing the play.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501234

a Thread was already made about this, the opera was planned for 3 years but put off, so they used politcal correctness as an excuse for their failure in producing the play.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501234

Sorry, but the opera has been performed before. Try reading some of the links.

Sorry, but the opera has been performed before. Try reading some of the links.

Yeah it was, three years ago

The production of Idomeneo by Hans Neuenfels was only mildly controversial when it premiered in 2003. The plot of the opera, first performed in 1781,

They should just do the play the way Mozart wrote it, instead of adding that nonsense scene at all.

Mozart is not being censored here, the person the decided to ADD that scene to Mozart play is being censored. And for the sake of Mozart's play, not for the sake or religious tolerance or intolerance, I agree with that. If they are going to do a Mozart play, do a Mozart play, if they want to write and act out their own scenes, then write their own play...

They should just do the play the way Mozart wrote it, instead of adding that nonsense scene at all.

Mozart is not being censored here, the person the decided to ADD that scene to Mozart play is being censored. And for the sake of Mozart's play, not for the sake or religious tolerance or intolerance, I agree with that. If they are going to do a Mozart play, do a Mozart play, if they want to write and act out their own scenes, then write their own play...No one is being "censored", the people running the show decided not to do it afterall.

No one is being "censored", the people running the show decided not to do it afterall.

Afterall or after they were told by the police there could be trouble because someone might be offended?

Afterall or after they were told by the police there could be trouble because someone might be offended?

Told by the police. Not by Muslims, or "radical religious facsists." What they're doing is censoring themselves and what you're doing it is blaming it on someone else.

And of course using it as another example to paint how, unlike Jews, Christians or Buddhists, Muslims are evil subhumanoid pond scum.

Told by the police. Not by Muslims, or "radical religious facsists." What they're doing is censoring themselves and what you're doing it is blaming it on someone else.

And of course using it as another example to paint how, unlike Jews, Christians or Buddhists, Muslims are evil subhumanoid pond scum.

No, not at all. What I am saying is the opera gave in to the possibility that there would be trouble, which is exactly what the radicals want. The opera decided it wasn't worth risking the ire of the Muslim community and rather than put on the opera as planned they gave in to the possible reprisals. Radicals win, “we can stop you by intimidation.”

By the way, I never said Muslims are evil etc. However, radicals (from any group) are.

Frankly, I think the opera directors as well as the police were prejudice. They both seem to think that all muslims do is sit and read the newspaper everyday, looking for any reason to kill themselves. All they really had to do was to publicly say that the final scene is not about a specific religion, or is not critical of a specific religion, but merely points out that religion plays a smaller role in peoples lives than before.

No, not at all. What I am saying is the opera gave in to the possibility that there would be trouble, which is exactly what the radicals want.

What they also want is to increase the anger and hatred for Islam, something that people - who I'd be willing to bet couldn't give two shits about Mozart, let alone opera - up in arms over this are contributing to as well.

The opera decided it wasn't worth risking the ire of the Muslim community and rather than put on the opera as planned they gave in to the possible reprisals. Radicals win, “we can stop you by intimidation.”

The German government is notoriously PC. They frequently do things out of sensitivity to ethnic communities. For example, it's illegal to deny the Holocaust in Germany, or even come close to what they define as denial of Holocaust. Is that giving in to intimidation from Jewish communities and organizations similar to the ADL?


By the way, I never said Muslims are evil etc. However, radicals (from any group) are.

And you define "radical" as...?

Frankly, I think the opera directors as well as the police were prejudice. They both seem to think that all muslims do is sit and read the newspaper everyday, looking for any reason to kill themselves. All they really had to do was to publicly say that the final scene is not about a specific religion, or is not critical of a specific religion, but merely points out that religion plays a smaller role in peoples lives than before.


It should be rather obvious with the head of Poseidon, Buddha, Jesus, and Mohammed that the "final scent is not about a specific religion." :rolleyes: