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You know what, I agree. The USA doesn't go through nearly as much terrorism as Europe or the rest of the world.

Reason: I feel the reason is simply because the world thinks it to be best to not deal with the terrorists, to ignore them. Terrorism has been around for a tremendously long time. If what the Europeans say is true that "not dealing with the terrorists and to ignore them" is the best way to defeat them. Then, how come Europe and the rest of the world are constantly getting blown up? This has been going on and on for decades and decades.

Now as for the USA, the number of terrorism acts on our homeland and interests, in no way can be compared to the numbers of Europe and the rest of the world. So the world looks down on USA for we are not used to that type of lifestyle. As an American, we won't except that lifestyle.

As for the most part you say...."as History has taught us..." I say this, yes as History has taught us, your way dealing with terrorism does not work, obviously. Do you not wonder why America has less direct terrorist acts commited against our homeland? Do you not understand that your way of dealing with the terrorists by simply ignoring them is not deterring them from repeated attacks against your homeland?

As Americans, as a majority, we will not stand and do nothing as the terrorists target our civilians. If thats what you want to do then more power to ya. As for us Americans, we prefer to fight in their homeland vs our homeland.

You guys can come and bash me all you want and call me all sorts of names if thats what makes you feel better.

But as History has taught me.....Your way of dealing with terrorism is NOT working. That is why you deal with it more on a daily basis compared to the USA. Here in the USA, we have a zero-tolerance for the yellow bellied terrorists.

You know what, I agree. The USA doesn't go through nearly as much terrorism as Europe or the rest of the world.

Reason: I feel the reason is simply because the world thinks it to be best to not deal with the terrorists, to ignore them. Terrorism has been around for a tremendously long time. If what the Europeans say is true that "not dealing with the terrorists and to ignore them" is the best way to defeat them. Then, how come Europe and the rest of the world are constantly getting blown up? This has been going on and on for decades and decades.

Now as for the USA, the number of terrorism acts on our homeland and interests, in no way can be compared to the numbers of Europe and the rest of the world. So the world looks down on USA for we are not used to that type of lifestyle. As an American, we won't except that lifestyle.

As for the most part you say...."as History has taught us..." I say this, yes as History has taught us, your way dealing with terrorism does not work, obviously. Do you not wonder why America has less direct terrorist acts commited against our homeland? Do you not understand that your way of dealing with the terrorists by simply ignoring them is not deterring them from repeated attacks against your homeland?

As Americans, as a majority, we will not stand and do nothing as the terrorists target our civilians. If thats what you want to do then more power to ya. As for us Americans, we prefer to fight in their homeland vs our homeland.

You guys can come and bash me all you want and call me all sorts of names if thats what makes you feel better.

But as History has taught me.....Your way of dealing with terrorism is NOT working. That is why you deal with it more on a daily basis compared to the USA. Here in the USA, we have a zero-tolerance for the yellow bellied terrorists.

Um from what I can tell America has had just about the MOST incidences of terrorism in the western world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents


Seems to be more American flags up there then anyone else (at least in the western world)

terrorism has gone down in my country via talking it out. terrorism that was caused by a country that had a simular way of doing things as america.

don't kid yourself you live on an ocean away with South America too busy with itself and Canada being too civilized also have you ever actually left the U.S because I can assure you everything isn't blowing up

Of course fell free to seal your country off maybe it will do the rest of the world some good for a change

Er... did you miss that Britain invaded Iraq as well? And got bombed...

Actually, I think the British had the right idea. If you don't let terrorism panic you, it kind of takes away the whole point of terrorism...

You know what, I agree. The USA doesn't go through nearly as much terrorism as Europe or the rest of the world.The USA also doesn't have ancient divisions, or the middle-east right next door.

If what the Europeans say is true that "not dealing with the terrorists and to ignore them" is the best way to defeat them.Europeans don't say that. But we also don't play into their hand and scare the shit out of our populace, unlike the US.

Then, how come Europe and the rest of the world are constantly getting blown up? Constantly? We're rarely getting blown up. And the US has sufferent quite a lot more damage from terrorists in the last ten year that Europe.

But as History has taught me.....Your way of dealing with terrorism is NOT working.Nor is yours, over the past few years you only manages to breed more terrorists.
Actually, our way of dealing with terrorists has worked pretty well. IRA, ETA, RAF, etc, they're all pretty docile now.

That is why you deal with it more on a daily basis compared to the USA.?!?
Really, we don't.

You know what, I agree. The USA doesn't go through nearly as much terrorism as Europe or the rest of the world.

Reason: I feel the reason is simply because the world thinks it to be best to not deal with the terrorists, to ignore them. Terrorism has been around for a tremendously long time. If what the Europeans say is true that "not dealing with the terrorists and to ignore them" is the best way to defeat them. Then, how come Europe and the rest of the world are constantly getting blown up? This has been going on and on for decades and decades.

Now as for the USA, the number of terrorism acts on our homeland and interests, in no way can be compared to the numbers of Europe and the rest of the world. So the world looks down on USA for we are not used to that type of lifestyle. As an American, we won't except that lifestyle.

As for the most part you say...."as History has taught us..." I say this, yes as History has taught us, your way dealing with terrorism does not work, obviously. Do you not wonder why America has less direct terrorist acts commited against our homeland? Do you not understand that your way of dealing with the terrorists by simply ignoring them is not deterring them from repeated attacks against your homeland?

As Americans, as a majority, we will not stand and do nothing as the terrorists target our civilians. If thats what you want to do then more power to ya. As for us Americans, we prefer to fight in their homeland vs our homeland.

You guys can come and bash me all you want and call me all sorts of names if thats what makes you feel better.

But as History has taught me.....Your way of dealing with terrorism is NOT working. That is why you deal with it more on a daily basis compared to the USA. Here in the USA, we have a zero-tolerance for the yellow bellied terrorists.


IRA? That policy appeared to work....

Granted, the policies of the European states are at times a tad too liberal to be effective, however, you do rather miss the point. The United States has endured Islamic terrorist attacks for decades, and has as yet failed to fashion a resolution, whilst you also omit any discussion of one crucial facet of history; that of length. The USA has, prior to the cold war, been an inoffensive enough state likely to elicit little antipathy. Any international conflicts you entered were generally of your volition, and not suffused with historical tension and the attendant fervour and implacability it generates. Thus, the USA has faced, prior to the recent, and incremental, augmentation of Islamic terror, no genuine nationalistic terror akin to either Eta or the IRA, organisations upon which you implicitly predicate your argument.Indeed, given that the USA, geographically, is a state unto itself, it has no such nationalities to engage with and attempt to placate, beyond a few butter coloured natives in Buffalo skins, and thus is unlikely to incur such antipathy from advanced nationalities, and thus terror campaigns.
The USA is, also, I maintain, signally losing its war on terror. The efficacy of the US internal police, alloyed to the relative dearth of Islamic migrants in the USA in comparison to the European states you deplore, renders the USA internally, subsequent to 9/11, invulnerable. However, the terror prosecuted by Islamic militants in Iraqis by no means in diminution. How many US casualties have been incurred through incidents endemically associated with the apparatus of terror? Invariably the majority, and such terror shows no sign of abating. Indeed, the US representative in the Arab realms, Israel, is also now the subject of ever more threats, attacks and bombing, from a myriad of Islamic groups.

well, i live in a european country and we had no terorist attack in the last 16 years. why? because we're small and our foreign policy is very diffrent from the "let's invade countries, take their natural resources (oil) and after that bill them and/or the U.N. for the "reconstruction" of the stuff we distryed" american way of doing things.

american foreign policy sucks big time, that's why you're the target of terorism.

BTW: the only difference between the WW2 french resistance and today's terorists is that the Nazi lost the war and the Americans won it. If Germany had won the war, the french resistance would have been terorists.

this doesn't mean i aprove with all the terorists and their way of doing stuff. but i understand their point of view. i only have a little problem with their choice of targets, but i can get over it.

this doesn't mean i aprove with all the terorists and their way of doing stuff. but i understand their point of view. i only have a little problem with their choice of targets, but i can get over it.

Try getting over it when you get blown up, or a friend or family member does.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/sept_11/changing_faces_01.shtml

enough said

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/sept_11/changing_faces_01.shtml

enough said

Why does it always seem when people say “enough said” there is always so much left unsaid

Background
Terrorism from domestic or foreign origins is not a new experience in Europe, as for many Member States it has rather been a regular threat over many years. Several European states have a long history of terrorist activities and European citizens and governments have been confronted with its different faces. Hence, the affected EU Member States had already developed efficient national structures and legislation to counter terrorism and to co-operate with each other and third countries, i.e. the USA.

The Madrid European Council in 1995 established in its conclusions that terrorism should be regarded as a threat to democracy, to the free exercise of human rights and economic and social development. It was acknowledged that since terrorism increasingly operates on a transnational scale, it cannot be dealt with effectively solely by means of isolated action and using each individual State's own resources. Later on, the Treaty of Amsterdam referred to the fight against terrorism, amongst other serious forms of crime. The issue was also addressed in 1998 in the Vienna Action Plan to implement the provisions of the Treaty of Amsterdam on an Area of Freedom, Security and Justice and also in the conclusions of the Tampere Council of 1999.

This came from.........
http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/news/information_dossiers/terrorism_2004/documents_en.htm

You know what, I agree. The USA doesn't go through nearly as much terrorism as Europe or the rest of the world.
It goes through a fair bit, although I see your point in that the US doesn't have groups like the Provos, who were a problem in Northern Ireland for years.
Reason: I feel the reason is simply because the world thinks it to be best to not deal with the terrorists, to ignore them.
This is not true.

'Ignoring' them, and starving them of the oxygen of publicity, rather than trying to make our citizens scared of what's happening and trying to make them more "loyal" or whatever, is a much, much better idea than the US policy of "OH SHIT BOYOS! AL-QAEDA! THEY'RE ALWAYS OUT TO GET US!" policy, which just leads to ethnic tensions and a general sense of being jumpy.
If what the Europeans say is true that "not dealing with the terrorists and to ignore them" is the best way to defeat them. Then, how come Europe and the rest of the world are constantly getting blown up?
Ah yes... that's exactly what's happening. Like just on my way to college, I was attacked by three Real IRA members, an Al-Qaeda suicide bomber and two Taliban soldiers.

Only by my astonishing guile and flag-waving skills did I finish them off, plus connecting three megaphones and singing my national anthem through them, so as to force the enemy to run off due to my patriotism :rolleyes:
Now as for the USA, the number of terrorism acts on our homeland and interests, in no way can be compared to the numbers of Europe and the rest of the world.
Numbers can always be compared in similar events.

And the comparison says - the US gets attacked more than most, when compared to its size in terms of population. A whole lot more.
As for the most part you say...."as History has taught us..." I say this, yes as History has taught us, your way dealing with terrorism does not work, obviously.
Terrorist attacks in Europe itself (Britain not included) in the last five years - none whatsoever.

Terrorist attacks in the US and UK - September 11th and July 7th (although 7/7 was a piss-poor effort, really),
You guys can come and bash me all you want and call me all sorts of names if thats what makes you feel better.
*bashes*

Nincompoop!
But as History has taught me.....Your way of dealing with terrorism is NOT working.
And quite how much has, say, Britain, been a victim of the IRA in the last ten years?
That is why you deal with it more on a daily basis compared to the USA. Here in the USA, we have a zero-tolerance for the yellow bellied terrorists.
What the US does on a daily basis is create hundreds more terrorists, in the ruins of Baghdad suburbs and the West Bank.

Blowing people up does not ingratiate you to your foes, and when your enemies are just normal people under incredible stress, making them happy will cut down the amount of attacks.

Maybe if the US in Iraq was more about rebuilding peoples' homes, and less about air raids on schools, then there'd be less IEDs on the roads, and less attacks on its troops by people who are simply being pushed to the limit by the invasion, and have weapons in their houses ready for this kind of event.

Think if someone attacked the US on its home soil - just imagine it (it's clearly not going to happen).

You have a FN FAL lying around, just ready, and you've been practising with it.

If someone's blown up your mates' houses and shot your partner and simply noted them as another "collateral damage" statistic and said nothing more on the matter, you're going to be pretty fucking annoyed, aye?

And at that point, where you're just really annoyed, and you've got easy access to weapons, something must be done, right?

Or am I just a bit of a nutcase?

I see that King Bodacious is trying to be the next UN Abassadorship

I see that King Bodacious is trying to be the next UN Abassadorship
Or maybe they just don't know what they're on about...

Hard to tell, really.

Um from what I can tell America has had just about the MOST incidences of terrorism in the western world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents


Seems to be more American flags up there then anyone else (at least in the western world)

Only a few of the thousands of IRA-related terrorist incidents in the UK and other countries are documented there.

Only a few of the thousands of IRA-related terrorist incidents in the UK and other countries are documented there.

note you didnt bring up the still active loyalists.... :rolleyes:

the OP is profound ignorance. lets kill this thread, its appaling.

note you didnt bring up the still active loyalists.... :rolleyes:

the OP is profound ignorance. lets kill this thread, its appaling.

Yes, but most of their stuff wasn't what we would call 'terrorism', it was paramilitary violence and gang warfare, and sectarian brutality.

Only a few of the thousands of IRA-related terrorist incidents in the UK and other countries are documented there.

Yet terrorism in NI was ended through doing what the OP said doesn't work.

Yet terrorism in NI was ended through doing what the OP said doesn't work.
Sssh!

They'll hear you!

Yes, but most of their stuff wasn't what we would call 'terrorism', it was paramilitary violence and gang warfare, and sectarian brutality.
Is that not what's being called terrorism in Iraq right now?

Sssh!

They'll hear you!

:eek:

Did I not turn the microphone off?

Yet terrorism in NI was ended through doing what the OP said doesn't work.

Yup.

Is that not what's being called terrorism in Iraq right now?

I was under the impression that it was more the bombings that counted more as terrorism.

This thread is poorly titled IMO. I have not seen one solution to terrorisim. You know why? because there isn't one. Human nature being what it is someone is always going to hate someone else. On one hand if you go after and attack terrorists, it gives them fuel for their propoganda and recruitment practices. In other words, it makes more people hate you. On the other hand appeasement doesn't work against someone who hates you. They just take and take until you can't give anymore, then war. Then you have those that just ignore terrorists or more to the point their threats and we all know how that works out. So in the end you can't attack them, you can't make peace with them, and you can't ignore them. They're just all crazy and not rational thinkers.