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Ok so I picked up this article in time to day and it was about a possible plan to strike against the nuclear facilities of Iran. The article said that an all out aerial assault on Irans nuclear facilities would be a succsess. Setting Iran back a few years in their nuclear program. However the article also said the consuquences of such an action would spiral the region into chaos.

Paraphrasing here the article said that as a result terrorists attacks would drastically increase all over Iraq and Afganistan with the full support of Iran. Oil would all but cease to leave the region once again skyrocketing gas prices everywhere. Inevitably the US would be forced to send troops in to Iran and overthrow the regime entirely as a result of Irans counter assaults on American forces. Also it said that Iran would try to draw Israel into the conflict to rally national support in their war against America.

The article was not very optimistic about the chances of such a conflict being prevented.

Any thoughts?

Won't come to that, primarily both Bush and the Iranian Clerics know it helps neither of them.

There won't be war with Iran. Everyone hypes things up. You remember the whole Israel-Lebonan thing? Everyone was saying its WW3, I was one of the few that said it would be over soon. Kinda the same thing here.

everybody is fuckin stone in this town,now they are to blow each other,
Who cares?
They will, because you actually VOTE for them,and you smoke even more.
the war drums are on
The Drums of War
Gary Sudborough - 06.02.2005 19:46



The probable propaganda techniques for the next US war of aggression and the reasons I believe it will be against Iran.

The drums of war will beat very softly at first. There will be a few stories about matters which should be familiar to Americans from the preliminaries that preceded the Iraq war. The corporate media will attempt to again inspire fear in the American people with stories of weapons of mass destruction in Iran. They will concentrate on nuclear weapons production. Iran's leaders will be demonized using the standard propaganda techniques. Stories will probably appear illustrating contacts between Al-Qaida and Iran. The US military may initiate belligerent military exercises in the area in an attempt to create an incident justifying invasion or bombing. If that doesn't succeed a fabricated incident like the Gulf of Tonkin may be utilized. In addition, the corporate media will have new excuses, unavailable in the preliminary propaganda for the Iraq invasion. Claims can now be made about infiltration of resistance fighters across the Iran-Iraq border or weapons and material help coming from Iran to the Iraqi resistance. In the Vietnam war similar justifications were used for the US military interventions in Laos and Cambodia. If the decision for war has been made, these media excuses for war will grow from once a month or week to an everyday hammering of the senses. The sound of the war drums will grow from a faint beat to a crescendo of power and war will indeed ensue.

There are excellent reasons why a war with Iran should be next on the corporate agenda for world domination. Iran possesses a large amount of oil. The Anglo-Persian oil company, later British Petroleum, was pumping oil from wells in Iran long before they exploited the oil in Iraq. The United States has already indicated its intense interest in those oil reserves by overthrowing Mossadegh in 1953 and bringing the Shah to power. Mossadegh had angered British and American oil companies by nationalizing the oil. The Shah reprivatized it and allowed American oil companies to take full advantage of this opportunity. Since Iran's oil has been nationalized once again, an obvious motivation for war is to privatize it once more.

In my opinion, another, even larger reason for war is that Iran lies geographically directly between the US bases in Iraq and those in Afghanistan and the oil-rich republics of Central Asia. If the United States wants to dominate the oil reserves of the whole region and, therefore, have tremendous power over the economies and policies of virtually all nations, it must either instigate a coup to get a collaborating regime in power in Iran, or the US must wage war against Iran. That is why I would place Iran as a higher priority target than Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela or Syria. The neoconservatives' plan for the Middle East is terribly incomplete without domination over Iran.

Some analysts maintain that the United States is bogged down in Iraq and can't possibly fight another war. I am not so sure. Empires are known for overestimating their capabilities. Indeed, it is possible that they may wait a few years and try to stabilize Iraq, before they proceed to the next war. Americans seem to have short memories and treat each new war as something unique and divorced in causation from those preceding it. Pentagon planners have obviously visualized multiple guerrilla wars around the world or a couple of major conflicts at the same time. They may think they can use American air power to subdue countries like Iran. They were certainly successful with this technique in Yugoslavia, although it hasn't worked in Iraq as well. They may bomb Iran with thousands of tons of depleted uranium and wait patiently for years, while it does its dirty work of destroying the health, vitality and lives of people in the region. Sick, weak people with deformed children are easier to conquer than a healthy, vigorous population. Of course, it will kill American soldiers as well, but these are replaceable from a country thousands of miles away with a huge population. Mass slaughter, torture, unending war, poverty, misery and radioactive pollution of the Earth are the results of the present US policies for corporate enrichment. The drums of war must be silenced forever, before they create a terrible silence indicating the absence of the great diversity of life on Earth.


Source1http://indymedia.nl/nl/2005/02/24794.shtml

Source2http://www.theblackflag.org/iconoclast

Ok so I picked up this article in time to day and it was about a possible plan to strike against the nuclear facilities of Iran. The article said that an all out aerial assault on Irans nuclear facilities would be a succsess.

On the Busher reactor - probably, yes. But the Iranian enrichment facilities are largely underground. Airstrikes will be ineffective.

The simple solution to avoid the conflict still is to give Iran what it wants: recognition as a regional power and serious player on the stage that is the world.

I suggest you avoid such articles in future and realise that no one really cares about Iran enough to start a ground war

And no terrorism would no increase in Iraq and Afghanistan why would it?

The simple solution to avoid the conflict still is to give Iran what it wants: recognition as a regional power and serious player on the stage that is the world.

Well nothing bad could possibly come from that:rolleyes: /scrsm

And no terrorism would no increase in Iraq and Afghanistan why would it?

Because it would be the easiest way for Iran to strike back ?
The Iranian presiden may be a religious nutcase, but he is not stupid.

Well nothing bad could possibly come from that:rolleyes: /scrsm

Please enlighten us then, o wise person. Iran can currently rightfully complain it is maltreated. Take away this possibility, make the country responsible for peace and you take away its teeth.

And no terrorism would no increase in Iraq and Afghanistan why would it?

By terrorims I meant the strikes against american troops in both Iraq and Afganistan.

By terrorims I meant the strikes against american troops in both Iraq and Afganistan.
so what is against corporative america(nato) is seen a terrorist?
when does it end?

Because it would be the easiest way for Iran to strike back ?
The Iranian presiden may be a religious nutcase, but he is not stupid.

why would Iran want to strike the Iraq and Afghanistan occupation forces though its doing much better with America keeping its two greatest enemies on leashes

I think Iran would do far better just letting America take the offence as soon as American troops cross the border there in for the fight of there lives and the Iranian government gets to have another war where they can get fanatical support (especially in the much needed youth support that Iran is losing)

Ok so I picked up this article in time to day and it was about a possible plan to strike against the nuclear facilities of Iran. The article said that an all out aerial assault on Irans nuclear facilities would be a succsess. Setting Iran back a few years in their nuclear program. However the article also said the consuquences of such an action would spiral the region into chaos.

Paraphrasing here the article said that as a result terrorists attacks would drastically increase all over Iraq and Afganistan with the full support of Iran. Oil would all but cease to leave the region once again skyrocketing gas prices everywhere. Inevitably the US would be forced to send troops in to Iran and overthrow the regime entirely as a result of Irans counter assaults on American forces. Also it said that Iran would try to draw Israel into the conflict to rally national support in their war against America.

The article was not very optimistic about the chances of such a conflict being prevented.

Any thoughts?


Sounds about right, An attack on Iran would be seen as another attack against Islam . It depends on if its worth taking that on,,,after all the alternative being a nuclear armed Iran isn't very attractive at all . especially with the current regime in power .
The question could be ..fight them before they get nukes or after ?

Sounds about right, An attack on Iran would be seen as another attack against Islam . It depends on if its worth taking that on,,,after all the alternative being a nuclear armed Iran isn't very attractive at all . especially with the current regime in power .
The question could be ..fight them before they get nukes or after ?
tttt!!!!!!!!
even then with 1000`s of them
, the us/eu can win.
so is it worth ,lating other democracy be bomb,while yours is not?

I say we just loan a massive amount of bunker busters to Israel and have them take out the Iranian Facilities. They did it to Iraq and they can do it to Iran.

nuke them all