NationStates Jolt Archive


When did you lose your rights?

Not bad
25-09-2006, 11:40
Who here is being oppressed and having their options narrowed by their government? More specifically here are some questions I have to find out what you could freely do before which you cannot do now.

Have you lost any rights which you once enjoyed

What rights have you lost, and when did you kose them?

Were you excercising those rights before they were taken away from you?
Compulsive Depression
25-09-2006, 11:46
Surely all governments which impose a legal system reduce the options available to their citizens? Well, at least as much as it can; you can't prevent people from doing something easily, but you can punish them for it afterwards.
Keruvalia
25-09-2006, 11:49
If I can't slather myself in marshmallow cream and run naked through bus stations and/or the subway screaming "THE MACARONI WARRIOR HAS RETURNED!!!", then the terrorists win.
Cabra West
25-09-2006, 12:24
Who here is being oppressed and having their options narrowed by their government? More specifically here are some questions I have to find out what you could freely do before which you cannot do now.

Have you lost any rights which you once enjoyed

What rights have you lost, and when did you kose them?

Were you excercising those rights before they were taken away from you?

I lost the right to have an abortion up to the end of the first trimester when I moved from Germany to Ireland.
If ever the need arises, I'll have to go back for a few days, I guess. It annoys me a bit that this country still is so ristrictive and backwards when it comes to women's rights, but it could be a lot worse, and I guess they'll come round in a couple of years.
Gorias
25-09-2006, 12:26
I lost the right to have an abortion up to the end of the first trimester when I moved from Germany to Ireland.
If ever the need arises, I'll have to go back for a few days, I guess. It annoys me a bit that this country still is so ristrictive and backwards when it comes to women's rights, but it could be a lot worse, and I guess they'll come round in a couple of years.

ireland is a democratic country. also is predominantly catholic. so catholic law wins via democracy. i'm not very catholic but the values suit me.
Infinite Revolution
25-09-2006, 12:27
i recently lost the right to take toothpaste and soap on an aeroplane in my handluggage. i always feel dirty after long-distance flights and i always feel the need to wash up when i get off, lugging all my hold baggage into the washrooms is a complete bugger.
Wallonochia
25-09-2006, 12:30
i recently lost the right to take toothpaste and soap on an aeroplane in my handluggage. i always feel dirty after long-distance flights and i always feel the need to wash up when i get off, lugging all my hold baggage into the washrooms is a complete bugger.

It also bugs me that we can't take drinks on planes anymore. I get very easily dehydrated by the extremely dry air on planes, and it always takes them forever to get me something to drink.
Cabra West
25-09-2006, 12:35
ireland is a democratic country. also is predominantly catholic. so catholic law wins via democracy. i'm not very catholic but the values suit me.

Yep, same goes for Austria. Doesn't mean that people don't change :D
Infinite Revolution
25-09-2006, 12:36
It also bugs me that we can't take drinks on planes anymore. I get very easily dehydrated by the extremely dry air on planes, and it always takes them forever to get me something to drink.

and on the budget airlines they're still charging the earth for any drink. scheming bastards, i bet those terrorists were funded by flybe/easyjet et al. *is not a conspiracy nut at all, no*
New Burmesia
25-09-2006, 12:37
ireland is a democratic country. also is predominantly catholic. so catholic law wins via democracy. i'm not very catholic but the values suit me.

But why should Catholics be able to force their views onto a (large) minority who don't oppose abortion?
Cabra West
25-09-2006, 12:41
But why should Catholics be able to force their views onto a (large) minority who don't oppose abortion?

Oh, biiiiiiiiiiiiiig can of worms there!
I've decided to wait until we're the majority :D
New Burmesia
25-09-2006, 12:43
Oh, biiiiiiiiiiiiiig can of worms there!
I've decided to wait until we're the majority :D

Easy way to get a majority: cloning!
Not bad
25-09-2006, 12:44
I lost the right to have an abortion up to the end of the first trimester when I moved from Germany to Ireland.
If ever the need arises, I'll have to go back for a few days, I guess. It annoys me a bit that this country still is so ristrictive and backwards when it comes to women's rights, but it could be a lot worse, and I guess they'll come round in a couple of years.

In this case Id say that Ireland didnt take that right away from you so much as you took yourself away from that right. You didnt lose the right so much as actively abandoned it for (hopefully) some other aspects of Ireland which make your life better than where you were. Im sorry but I cannot award Ireland any oppression demerits for this transgression.
The Potato Factory
25-09-2006, 12:48
Well, since I don't work, I don't have to worry about Howard's new IR laws. But then, I still don't like them very much.
Cabra West
25-09-2006, 12:49
In this case Id say that Ireland didnt take that right away from you so much as you took yourself away from that right. You didnt lose the right so much as actively abandoned it for (hopefully) some other aspects of Ireland which make your life better than where you were. Im sorry but I cannot award Ireland any oppression demerits for this transgression.

No, definitely not. Especially since in theory, I'd be free to do what most Irish girls do when they need an abortion : take a day-trip to England. It's hardly oppression, the option's there in reality, it's just a little more complicated then elsewhere.
King Bodacious
25-09-2006, 12:54
Surely all governments which impose a legal system reduce the options available to their citizens? Well, at least as much as it can; you can't prevent people from doing something easily, but you can punish them for it afterwards.

If we as a society didn't have a legal system and laws, could you imagine the chaos...
King Bodacious
25-09-2006, 12:59
Oh and to answer the question, No I don't feel like I have lost any rights. I still do what I want as a mostly law abiding citizen

("mostly" I have a confession, I speed a little bit but rarely over 15 mph over the speed limit but never in a residentual area where the kids are.) :D
Not bad
25-09-2006, 13:26
But why should Catholics be able to force their views onto a (large) minority who don't oppose abortion?

The problem is that nobody wants what is best for everybody. We each want what is best for ourselves. Since everybody cannot have their own way due to conflicts of desire some means was needed to decide who gets things done their way. One of the fairer ways is majority rule.
Not bad
25-09-2006, 13:28
Oh, biiiiiiiiiiiiiig can of worms there!
I've decided to wait until we're the majority :D

You'll play hell trying to outbreed the Catholics for the majority I reckon! :eek: :p
Zolworld
25-09-2006, 13:32
It also bugs me that we can't take drinks on planes anymore. I get very easily dehydrated by the extremely dry air on planes, and it always takes them forever to get me something to drink.

you could just buy some toothpaste when you land. it is annoying though, although not government oppression so much as a precaution against being blown up. really they should just stop muslims taking toothpaste on planes, but that would cause all kinds of whining and embassy burning.
Cabra West
25-09-2006, 13:34
You'll play hell trying to outbreed the Catholics for the majority I reckon! :eek: :p

I'd have to keep very busy, considering the average rate of catholic breeding here. :D
No, I just assume that what has happened all over Europe will happen here, too : that the catholic church will lose its influence on the younger generation.
Kinda Sensible people
25-09-2006, 13:46
Well... Lessee... The list is fairly long:

- The Right to not be spied on without a warrant. (No, I wasn't using it, but I lost it all the same)

- The Right to free speech opposing a politician in the region surrounding any press coverage that politician may receive. (I was using that)

- The Right to know I will not be tortured by my countrymen. (Lost that recently, I did)

- The Right to check out whatever the hell I like from the library without having the government know. (While I freely admit that the gov't probably doesn't care about the Punk history book I checked out, or the copy of "On the Principals of Political Economy" by J.S. Mill, it's still none of the government's business what I, a law abiding citizen, read.)

That's all I can name off of the top of my head, but there are more.

I have lost all of these in the course of my 17 years of life.
WangWee
25-09-2006, 13:57
Next year I'll lose the right to smoke cigarettes in coffeeshops and bars.
Compulsive Depression
25-09-2006, 14:13
Next year I'll lose the right to smoke cigarettes in coffeeshops and bars.
But many people will gain the right to drink coffee and beer in smoke-free environments.

Sucks for you, great for us. I guess majority rule swings both ways...
Lydiardia
25-09-2006, 16:16
I lost the right to fly whilst smelling good and practicing good personal hygiene.

Yes, I was using those rights prior to them being unilaterally taken away without logical reasoning or right of reply.

The terrorists sure won that round.. :headbang:
Lydiardia
25-09-2006, 16:22
you could just buy some toothpaste when you land. it is annoying though, although not government oppression so much as a precaution against being blown up. really they should just stop muslims taking toothpaste on planes, but that would cause all kinds of whining and embassy burning.

What a wonderful idea! :) I can't think why as a traveller I didn't think of this idea..

Let me see.. So, tomorrow morning I will leave my toothpaste at home. Buy some when I land in Denver. Leave it there (well, I imagine the hotel will throw it away and not keep it for me) and buy some more when I land in SF on Wednesday. Leave it there (well, I imagine the hotel will throw it away and not keep it for me) and buy some more when I land in Atlanta on Thursday. Leave it there (well, I imagine the hotel will throw it away and not keep it for me) and recoice in my own tube when I get back to NY on Friday evenin.

I did think about shipping them all home - but you know what? I think I don't have a lifespan that will use up the 200 odd fucking tubes of toothpaste my away stays this year alone will generate.

What's the next fucking useless idea?

How about just letting me carry it on the plane with me - I'll even put it in my mouth before boarding, if it makes you happy. :rolleyes:
Cannot think of a name
25-09-2006, 16:44
When a friend was held for days because her mother said she was a terrorist, losing the job she had just gotten to get her life on track.

When a veteran was removed from a VA hospital for wearing a Veterans for Peace t-shirt (I don't remember the exact name of the organization, just the situation)

When someone was removed from a mall for wearing a peace t-shirt.

When hundreds where held in my nations name without being charged.

etc. etc.

But I know, none of this happened to me specificly. Maybe you just won't believe me, or think it's not that big a deal. But how much sand used to cover your head isn't my problem.
The Nazz
25-09-2006, 16:49
When a friend was held for days because her mother said she was a terrorist, losing the job she had just gotten to get her life on track.

When a veteran was removed from a VA hospital for wearing a Veterans for Peace t-shirt (I don't remember the exact name of the organization, just the situation)

When someone was removed from a mall for wearing a peace t-shirt.

When hundreds where held in my nations name without being charged.

etc. etc.

But I know, none of this happened to me specificly. Maybe you just won't believe me, or think it's not that big a deal. But how much sand used to cover your head isn't my problem.
To paraphrase Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., that which oppresses one diminishes us all.
Utracia
25-09-2006, 17:05
I suppose that just having everything you do monitered isn't enough to say your rights are being infringed? That paranoia has restricted what you can bring on an airplane? Does the government have to kick in your door and disappear you in order for someone to say "yes my rights are being lost?"
Lunatic Goofballs
25-09-2006, 17:07
If I can't slather myself in marshmallow cream and run naked through bus stations and/or the subway screaming "THE MACARONI WARRIOR HAS RETURNED!!!", then the terrorists win.

You can. Just don't get caught. :)

Oh, and a little piece of advice: Keep your sneakers on and avoid gettting marshmalow on the soles. You don't want to slip when they're chasing you. :)
Lunatic Goofballs
25-09-2006, 17:08
If we as a society didn't have a legal system and laws, could you imagine the chaos...

Yes.

I have to take a cold shower now. :)
Allers
25-09-2006, 17:16
what rights??????/
i'm not to be cornered here,let alone , have rights,
ever be fucked or be the fucker,that is what counts.
Do you see my right hole,right there!!!!!
can you pin it?
can you see it?
right! you have it
meh!
only because it is not yours,
i never lost my virginity :p
hS =highly sarcastic(candide) 2x :p :p
Fengzhuozi
25-09-2006, 17:41
Easy way to get a majority: cloning!

Or stop aborting
WangWee
25-09-2006, 18:31
But many people will gain the right to drink coffee and beer in smoke-free environments.

Sucks for you, great for us. I guess majority rule swings both ways...

I know... I still thinks it's pretty cruel. Sure, I wouldn't have a problem with it if I lived below the artic circle...But sending people outside to smoke in this climate is plain evil.
Ladamesansmerci
25-09-2006, 18:45
Who here is being oppressed and having their options narrowed by their government? More specifically here are some questions I have to find out what you could freely do before which you cannot do now.

Have you lost any rights which you once enjoyed

What rights have you lost, and when did you kose them?

Were you excercising those rights before they were taken away from you?

Freedom, the moment I was born.
Gorias
26-09-2006, 12:07
But why should Catholics be able to force their views onto a (large) minority who don't oppose abortion?

same reason why should a majority of that want to vote in a leader able to force it of a minority who want someone else.
thats the system.
Gorias
26-09-2006, 12:09
No, definitely not. Especially since in theory, I'd be free to do what most Irish girls do when they need an abortion : take a day-trip to England. It's hardly oppression, the option's there in reality, it's just a little more complicated then elsewhere.

england is changing thier laws to make that more difficult.
as a pro-lifer, i think we should change our laws to prevent that too.
Gorias
26-09-2006, 12:13
Or stop aborting

i think that falls under ironic catagory. but suits me.
Wanderjar
26-09-2006, 12:14
If I can't slather myself in marshmallow cream and run naked through bus stations and/or the subway screaming "THE MACARONI WARRIOR HAS RETURNED!!!", then the terrorists win.

That comes very, very close to being sig worthy.
Hamilay
26-09-2006, 12:18
Yes.

I have to take a cold shower now. :)
LG + no laws?...
I'm not sure whether to curl up in a ball, quivering, or say "Bring it on!"
Ah, hell. That would be an awesome way to end the world.
Cabra West
26-09-2006, 12:23
england is changing thier laws to make that more difficult.
as a pro-lifer, i think we should change our laws to prevent that too.

Well, it's not as if Germany would be that much further away. Or Scandinavia. Although this is the first I heard about England changing it's laws about abortion.
JobbiNooner
26-09-2006, 12:26
I've decided to wait until we're the majority :D

Good luck with that one. Since they don't use birth control either, they multiply like frigging rabbits. :eek:

;)
Gorias
26-09-2006, 12:28
Well, it's not as if Germany would be that much further away. Or Scandinavia. Although this is the first I heard about England changing it's laws about abortion.

easy. if all eurropean shared medical info electroniclly. when the gov finds out a citizen has had an abortion, they should be fined €15,000 every year for 18 years on thier return. thus making it cheaper for them to have a child.
Cabra West
26-09-2006, 12:33
easy. if all eurropean shared medical info electroniclly. when the gov finds out a citizen has had an abortion, they should be fined €15,000 every year for 18 years on thier return. thus making it cheaper for them to have a child.

I'm not an Irish citizen, though. And I personally would be more than opposed to having my medical data accessible to any government at all.
Why would you be interested in forcing abortions into the backstreets again? Do you hate women that much?
Not bad
26-09-2006, 12:34
Freedom, the moment I was born.

Freedon to do what? I would've thought that the moment you were born you gained freedom to do any number of things you could not do before while losing a number of dependencies which precluded much if any personal freedom. Before I can award any demerits to your mother for the oppression of squeezing you out of her womb I need more particulars.
Not bad
26-09-2006, 12:39
easy. if all eurropean shared medical info electroniclly. when the gov finds out a citizen has had an abortion, they should be fined €15,000 every year for 18 years on thier return. thus making it cheaper for them to have a child.

And what pray tell do you propose should be done with the proceeds of this sin tax which you wish to have levied?
Gorias
26-09-2006, 12:40
Why would you be interested in forcing abortions into the backstreets again? Do you hate women that much?

ah for god sakes. it has nothing to with hating women or not. thats a very irrational way or argueing. you only through the decusion off topic. anyway going into an abortion debate would also off topic. the debate is really about democracy vs. what a minority wants. also to see if anyone comes from a highly dictator country.(assuming thats what the origional poster intended).
Jesuites
26-09-2006, 12:40
Interesting...
Just taking somes notes.

I wonder I will not lose the right to walk without a gun at nite.

I hope the copper won't have trouble killing innocent people when losing the right to shoot for kill a presumed terrorist. Nay, they'll never lose thet right...
Cabra West
26-09-2006, 12:41
I wonder do I have the right to correct horrible spelling and incomprehensible grammar? :D
Gorias
26-09-2006, 12:41
And what pray tell do you propose should be done with the proceeds of this sin tax which you wish to have levied?

health care and making more science/medical courses available. on the basis its an issue at the moment.
Cabra West
26-09-2006, 12:43
ah for god sakes. it has nothing to with hating women or not. thats a very irrational way or argueing. you only through the decusion off topic. anyway going into an abortion debate would also off topic. the debate is really about democracy vs. what a minority wants. also to see if anyone comes from a highly dictator country.(assuming thats what the origional poster intended).

True. Then again, I didn't start taking it off-topic :p
Not bad
26-09-2006, 12:46
the debate is really about democracy vs. what a minority wants. also to see if anyone comes from a highly dictator country.(assuming thats what the origional poster intended).

My intent was to find out if people here feel that they have had rights taken away from them by their government (of any type they have) and if they have lost rights, I want to know how their lives have been affected.
Gorias
26-09-2006, 12:48
True. Then again, I didn't start taking it off-topic :p

coola boola. but you did move it on to hating women. i love all thier little squishy bits.
peace and love anyway.
Cabra West
26-09-2006, 13:14
coola boola. but you did move it on to hating women. i love all thier little squishy bits.
peace and love anyway.

Ok, it wasn't my best style to go for that. But I regard the right to decide who does what with my body as an essential one.
King Bodacious
26-09-2006, 13:53
I haven't lost any of my rights, as far as I know.

Things might be tightening up on a few but as for me....I am Free!!!
Gorias
26-09-2006, 14:25
But I regard the right to decide who does what with my body as an essential one.

but you see thats the point. pro-lifers think one shouldnt be allowed to chose to waste embryo or what ever is before that. we concider that to be important. more important than the woman being unconfortable for 9 months.
Cabra West
26-09-2006, 14:29
but you see thats the point. pro-lifers think one shouldnt be allowed to chose to waste embryo or what ever is before that. we concider that to be important. more important than the woman being unconfortable for 9 months.

My body. My choice. If I decide I don't like something - anything! about my body, I'm allowed to change it. If I want to cut off my finger, I can do that. And if I don't want something growing inside me, I can have it removed.

It's not about being comfortable or uncomfortable, it's about that simple, basic right to be able to decide what happens with my body and what doesn't.

That's a right the Irish government denies half of its citizens.
Gorias
26-09-2006, 14:35
My body. My choice. If I decide I don't like something - anything! about my body, I'm allowed to change it. If I want to cut off my finger, I can do that. And if I don't want something growing inside me, I can have it removed.

It's not about being comfortable or uncomfortable, it's about that simple, basic right to be able to decide what happens with my body and what doesn't.

That's a right the Irish government denies half of its citizens.

tuff. when something you effects something else. you dont get to decide. reason why i'm allowed to throw rocks at people who get in my way on the street.
Utracia
26-09-2006, 14:35
I haven't lost any of my rights, as far as I know.

Things might be tightening up on a few but as for me....I am Free!!!

Things are tightening up but you are free. Won't be long until this statement is contradicting itself. If it hasn't already.
Gorias
26-09-2006, 14:39
Things are tightening up but you are free. Won't be long until this statement is contradicting itself. If it hasn't already.

as bill hicks says, in america "you are free to what we tell you"
Cabra West
26-09-2006, 14:40
tuff. when something you effects something else. you dont get to decide. reason why i'm allowed to throw rocks at people who get in my way on the street.

Ok... tying to make sense of that...

I assume you're saying that I cannot have full rights over my body if it endangers something that might possibly one day be a person?

So, if someone needs your kindey to survive, you can be forced to have it removed? No? Why not? By not giving him that kidney you're taking away his chances of survival. And this actually is a person we're talking about, not just the possiblily of a maybe.
Gorias
26-09-2006, 14:46
Ok... tying to make sense of that...

I assume you're saying that I cannot have full rights over my body if it endangers something that might possibly one day be a person?

yep. no need for decusion to go on much longer if you understand.


So, if someone needs your kindey to survive, you can be forced to have it removed? No? Why not? By not giving him that kidney you're taking away his chances of survival. And this actually is a person we're talking about, not just the possiblily of a maybe.

not nessary. there are enough terrorists, murders, rapists and child molesters to harvest organs. i dont regard those people i just mentioned as people who should have rights.
also, i may need kidney later. a better way to compare is to say, people should have to be forced to give blood. which i wouldnt mind.
Saxnot
26-09-2006, 14:55
The right to pick magic mushies and eat them raw, June 2005. And yes, I did exercise it once or twice beforehand.
Cabra West
26-09-2006, 15:06
not nessary. there are enough terrorists, murders, rapists and child molesters to harvest organs. i dont regard those people i just mentioned as people who should have rights.

And what does that have to do with the example I gave?


also, i may need kidney later. a better way to compare is to say, people should have to be forced to give blood. which i wouldnt mind.

Oh? So I might not require an intact back, working kidneys and a functioning bladder at some later stage? Pregnancy is a very high health risk, it has in fact more in common with having an organ removed than with giving blood.
Jesuites
26-09-2006, 18:18
I wonder do I have the right to correct horrible spelling and incomprehensible grammar? :D

Horrible alien I am.
I've lost that right too.

In a next life I'll be rich and will hire a grammar teacher.
I've to think how to steal these socialists, they're rich in free criticism.