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Spiritual Gifts

Edwardis
24-09-2006, 03:25
My church recently had a "Spiritual Gifts Inventory" It was a booklet that you could use to find out which spiritual gifts you had. There were several categories with 15 possible points each.

My scores were:

Prophecy:15
Pastor: 8
Teaching: 12
Wisdom: 14
Knowledge: 14
Exhortation: 9
Discernment:14
Giving: 5
Helps: 8
Mercy: 7
Missionary: 13
Evangelism: 9
Hospitality: 4
Faith: 15
Leadership: 9
Administration: 14
Suffering: 6
Healings: 2
Prayer Language: 4
Interpretation: 0
Apostle: 9
Singleness: 9
Intercessory Prayer: 5
Martyrdom: 14
Service: 8
Spirit-Music: 9
Craftsmanship: 6
Exorcism: 13
Battle: 15
Humor: 2
Miracles: 7
Poverty: 8

I don't tell you all this for my own glory. I tell you because of how laughable it all is. Exorcism? I don't deny it happens, but I can attest that I have never had the urge to do that, yet I scored a 13 in that category.

I find it sad that people rely on these things to know the deep things of the Spirit and His work in their lives. It uses Scripture for its explanations, but that's the only good thing about this test. And it's one of the better one's I've seen.

Any thoughts?

EDIT: I wasn't able to find the actual test. I have a booklet in front of me. Here's a description of the booklet: http://www.upperroom.org/bookstore/description.asp?item_id=12927
Minaris
24-09-2006, 03:28
Yeah...

Got a copy of that test?
Infinite Revolution
24-09-2006, 03:30
My church recently had a "Spiritual Gifts Inventory" It was a booklet that you could use to find out which spiritual gifts you had. There were several categories with 15 possible points each.

My scores were:

Prophecy:15
Pastor: 8
Teaching: 12
Wisdom: 14
Knowledge: 14
Exhortation: 9
Discernment:14
Giving: 5
Helps: 8
Mercy: 7
Missionary: 13
Evangelism: 9
Hospitality: 4
Faith: 15
Leadership: 9
Administration: 14
Suffering: 6
Healings: 2
Prayer Language: 4
Interpretation: 0
Apostle: 9
Singleness: 9
Intercessory Prayer: 5
Martyrdom: 14
Service: 8
Spirit-Music: 9
Craftsmanship: 6
Exorcism: 13
Battle: 15
Humor: 2
Miracles: 7
Poverty: 8

I don't tell you all this for my own glory. I tell you because of how laughable it all is. Exorcism? I don't deny it happens, but I can attest that I have never had the urge to do that, yet I scored a 13 in that category.

I find it sad that people rely on these things to know the deep things of the Spirit and His work in their lives. It uses Scripture for its explanations, but that's the only good thing about this test. And it's one of the better one's I've seen.

Any thoughts?

how is poverty a 'gift'? if someone gave me that i'd hand it straight back and give them a slap. and what the crap is spirit-music or 'helps'?
GoodThoughts
24-09-2006, 03:34
Did you perform 7 miracles?
Greater Trostia
24-09-2006, 03:38
Prophecy:15
Pastor: 8
Teaching: 12
Wisdom: 14
Knowledge: 14
Exhortation: 9
Discernment:14
Giving: 5
Helps: 8
Mercy: 7
Missionary: 13
Evangelism: 9
Hospitality: 4
Faith: 15
Leadership: 9
Administration: 14
Suffering: 6
Healings: 2
Prayer Language: 4
Interpretation: 0
Apostle: 9
Singleness: 9
Intercessory Prayer: 5
Martyrdom: 14
Service: 8
Spirit-Music: 9
Craftsmanship: 6
Exorcism: 13
Battle: 15
Humor: 2
Miracles: 7
Poverty: 8

Heh. Christianity, the Role-Playing Game.

Have you beaten level 9 yet? I'm stuck.
Edwardis
24-09-2006, 03:40
how is poverty a 'gift'? if someone gave me that i'd hand it straight back and give them a slap. and what the crap is spirit-music or 'helps'?

The description in the back of the booklet says this:

Voluntary Poverty. The ability to live a simple, conservative [not in a political sense], and unencumbered life free of material responsibilities in order to devote large amounts of time, energy, and skills to essential ministiries.

Spirit-Music. The ability to create or perform lyrics and musical tunes as messages from God to inspire others to Christian service, to win others to Christ, or to tell the story of God's love and grace.

Helps. The ability and eagerness to aid or assist others in need to such an extent that the helper recieves as much as the person helped.
Laerod
24-09-2006, 03:41
Battle and Prophecy? Good grief...
Edwardis
24-09-2006, 03:43
Did you perform 7 miracles?

No.

"Rank (assign a value to) each of the following statements according to how it describes your experienc or strong inclination - not to make you look good: Much (3), Some (2), Little (1), or None (0). Write the number of the value in the blank to the right of the statement."
Smunkeeville
24-09-2006, 03:43
We took a similar test at church a few months back, I remember my top 4 that I scored all the same amount on

Teaching
Exhortation
Prophesy
Administration

the prophesy one kinda messed me up.... and the next one down that I scored 2 less points on was "Giving"

haha, I am a very giving person.
Infinite Revolution
24-09-2006, 03:45
Battle and Prophecy? Good grief...

and martyrdom. is this nsg's first christian suicide bomber?
Sheni
24-09-2006, 03:46
Why is there even a prophesy one in there?
Even going by the Mormons, there hasn't been a prophet since the 1800's.
Why the hell is there a prophesy one in there if there's been no prophesy for at least 150 years?
Neo Kervoskia
24-09-2006, 03:47
and martyrdom. is this nsg's first christian suicide bomber?

I suppose Jesussaves was technically a suicide bomber.
Laerod
24-09-2006, 03:53
Why is there even a prophesy one in there?
Even going by the Mormons, there hasn't been a prophet since the 1800's.
Why the hell is there a prophesy one in there if there's been no prophesy for at least 150 years?Never met Whittier, the self-proclaimed Prophet of NSG, I presume.
Infinite Revolution
24-09-2006, 03:54
I suppose Jesussaves was technically a suicide bomber.

don't think i was around when jesussaves was on. did they blow theirself up?
Smunkeeville
24-09-2006, 03:54
Why is there even a prophesy one in there?
Even going by the Mormons, there hasn't been a prophet since the 1800's.
Why the hell is there a prophesy one in there if there's been no prophesy for at least 150 years?

I suppose that depends on how you define prophesy.
Gift-of-god
24-09-2006, 04:24
I was so hoping that this thread was going to be about me.:(
Edwardis
24-09-2006, 04:28
and martyrdom. is this nsg's first christian suicide bomber?

Martyrdom is not necessarily death.

I am a martyr. I was beat up after youth group for quoting Scripture and telling someone that Christians should not be yoked with unbelievers, which means no dating and no marriage to unbelievers. Afterwards, while I was waiting for my mom to pick me up, he came out (most of the people were either gone or still inside), recalled the conversation to me, and started punching me. Then he got in his car and drove away.

Now, it wasn't like I was on the ground bleeding my guts out, but I had a lot of bruises, a black eye, a bloody mouth, and a lot of soreness.

Am I what is commonly called a martyr? No, but I did suffer physical "punishment" for my beleifs.
Edwardis
24-09-2006, 04:29
Why is there even a prophesy one in there?
Even going by the Mormons, there hasn't been a prophet since the 1800's.
Why the hell is there a prophesy one in there if there's been no prophesy for at least 150 years?

There's a difference between foretelling (This is gonna happen) and forthtelling (Repent!). Most prophets today are forthtelling.
King Arthur the Great
24-09-2006, 04:41
LOL. I have to say that Al Pacino was right in The Devil's Advocate, that vanity is the favorite sin of Lucifer. The unfortunate state of many religions is that people believe that each one of them is chosen by God to be the next Christ. They fail to realize that they are to be disciples, not Messiahs. Pat Robertson comes to mind. Too many people waitnig for their shot to eliminate maritme barriers, or to feed twelve thousand with a kid's lunch, reanimate some corspes and win battles, or get a visit by an angel while out traveling and return to convert their people to a new faith. The list goes on.

Too many people these days would rather shoot web and swing above the streets rather than feed the hungry and shelter the homeless. those types of tests are the ones for those whose faith is truly lacking, for those that need to feel important to feel holy. At this point, I wonder whether Al may be right, and that this new century is for the Fallen One.
Wilgrove
24-09-2006, 06:36
RPing Christian style, but with no actual cool characters!
Soviet Haaregrad
24-09-2006, 06:45
Why is there even a prophesy one in there?
Even going by the Mormons, there hasn't been a prophet since the 1800's.
Why the hell is there a prophesy one in there if there's been no prophesy for at least 150 years?

Fred Phelps is a prophet, he makes God's Message easy for everyone to understand.
Wilgrove
24-09-2006, 06:48
Fred Phelps is a prophet, he makes God's Message easy for everyone to understand.

and hate at the same time!
Antikythera
24-09-2006, 06:49
if i had to guess i would say forsight
Imperial isa
24-09-2006, 07:11
Heh. Christianity, the Role-Playing Game.

Have you beaten level 9 yet? I'm stuck.

next they change the rules on you
Andaluciae
24-09-2006, 07:14
My spiritual gift?

Very high alcohol tolerance.
Maineiacs
24-09-2006, 08:05
I'm double-jointed. Does that count?
Farnhamia
24-09-2006, 08:07
People do love to quantify things, don't they? Standardized tests in schools, psychological profile tests when applying for a job, and now this. :rolleyes:
Edwardis
24-09-2006, 12:10
People do love to quantify things, don't they? Standardized tests in schools, psychological profile tests when applying for a job, and now this. :rolleyes:

I think that's a good way of explaining it.
Snow Eaters
24-09-2006, 15:54
Giving: 5
Helps: 8
Mercy: 7
Hospitality: 4
Suffering: 6
Interpretation: 0
Intercessory Prayer: 5
Service: 8
Humor: 2


1 Cor. 13:2
Edwardis
24-09-2006, 19:10
1 Cor. 13:2

Love /=/ Gift of Service

That's why there are Spiritual Gifts and Spiritual Fruits.

Spiritual Fruits (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control) are the result of being a Christian. However, things like service, helps, etc. are gifts that increases one's comfort or ability to do physical manifestations of love.
Taldaan
24-09-2006, 19:58
Never met Whittier, the self-proclaimed Prophet of NSG, I presume.

Where did Whittier go, anyway? I haven't seen him around in ages.
Snow Eaters
24-09-2006, 20:35
However, things like service, helps, etc. are gifts that increases one's comfort or ability to do physical manifestations of love.

I must have overlooked that chapter, where was it again?
Smunkeeville
24-09-2006, 20:57
http://www.kodachrome.org/spiritgift/
there is a quiz...you know in case you guys are curious...

and

http://www.victorious.org/sprgifts.htm

explains it pretty much.
Upper Botswavia
24-09-2006, 21:24
Love /=/ Gift of Service

That's why there are Spiritual Gifts and Spiritual Fruits...

Hey! They prefer to be called Spiritual homosexuals thank you very much.



Oh, wait... am I in the wrong thread again? :p
New Domici
24-09-2006, 23:05
EDIT: I wasn't able to find the actual test. I have a booklet in front of me. Here's a description of the booklet: http://www.upperroom.org/bookstore/description.asp?item_id=12927

Am I the only one who thinks it's funny that the test costs $20, but the book from which it is taken only costs $12?
New Domici
24-09-2006, 23:23
http://www.kodachrome.org/spiritgift/
there is a quiz...you know in case you guys are curious...

and

http://www.victorious.org/sprgifts.htm

explains it pretty much.

20 Wisdom
19 Knowledge
19 Discernment
17 Pastor
16 Hospitality
16 Helps
15 Craftsmanship
15 Faith
14 Exhortation
13 Intercession
13 Administration
12 Evangelist
12 Healing
11 Mercy
11 Leadership
10 Apostle
10 Missionary
8 Teacher
8 Prophet
8 Serving
5 Music
4 Giving

Y'all better harken unto my word biotches.
Edwardis
25-09-2006, 02:14
I must have overlooked that chapter, where was it again?

It's not in a particular chapter. It's in Scripture as a whole. If you look at the fruits of the Spirit, love is there. If you look at the gifts of the Spirit, love is not. Why? Because we should have love anyway, because the natural result of being in the Spirit is to have love. So, it is true that prophesy and tongues of angels and all that are useless if there is no love behind them. But so are service and helps and mercy. For if the love of God is not behind them, then they are for our own glory, and are useless.
Chandelier
25-09-2006, 02:30
http://www.kodachrome.org/spiritgift/
there is a quiz...you know in case you guys are curious...

and

http://www.victorious.org/sprgifts.htm

explains it pretty much.

15 Music
13 Discernment
9 Mercy
9 Knowledge
9 Intercession
9 Serving
7 Administration
7 Faith
7 Leadership
7 Teacher
6 Exhortation
6 Wisdom
5 Craftsmanship
5 Helps
4 Giving
4 Apostle
4 Pastor
4 Prophet
4 Missionary
3 Hospitality
3 Evangelist
2 Healing
Smunkeeville
25-09-2006, 02:53
25 Intercession
25 Knowledge
25 Teacher
25 Music
25 Faith
23 Mercy
23 Pastor
23 Discernment
23 Giving
23 Evangelist
23 Wisdom
23 Healing
21 Leadership
21 Prophet
21 Administration
21 Helps
21 Missionary
19 Hospitality
17 Apostle
17 Craftsmanship
16 Exhortation
15 Serving



wow, last year Exhortation was at the top of my list tied with teaching, administration, and prophecy....weird how things change in a year's time.
Edwardis
25-09-2006, 03:32
http://www.kodachrome.org/spiritgift/
there is a quiz...you know in case you guys are curious...

and

http://www.victorious.org/sprgifts.htm

explains it pretty much.

Not the same test as the one in the OP

Score Spiritual Gift Statement/Response
25 Discernment
25 Prophet
25 Administration
23 Knowledge
21 Evangelist
21 Teacher
21 Faith
20 Apostle
18 Leadership
18 Missionary
18 Wisdom
17 Helps
17 Serving
16 Exhortation
16 Pastor
13 Music
11 Mercy
9 Healing
9 Giving
7 Intercession
6 Craftsmanship
6 Hospitality

I scored "top score" in prophet on both tests. Maybe God's trying to tell me something? :p

I really don't trust these tests to be accurate. Might be a fault on my part, but...
New Granada
25-09-2006, 03:41
I got a bridge for sale, goes over a famous stretch of water on the east coast.

You interested?
Snow Eaters
25-09-2006, 06:09
It's not in a particular chapter. It's in Scripture as a whole. If you look at the fruits of the Spirit, love is there. If you look at the gifts of the Spirit, love is not.

Neither are the majority of the so called "gifts" on that list.
Many of them are fruit of the spirit that should be evident in every christian's life.

I'd find it worrisome to score so low on so many of them.
Snow Eaters
25-09-2006, 06:19
http://www.kodachrome.org/spiritgift/
there is a quiz...you know in case you guys are curious...

and

http://www.victorious.org/sprgifts.htm

explains it pretty much.



Ug.

That's a horrid concept.
Kroisistan
25-09-2006, 07:49
12 Knowledge
12 Discernment
11 Mercy
11 Administration
10 Pastor
10 Leadership
9 Wisdom
7 Faith
6 Helps
6 Hospitality
5 Giving
5 Exhortation
4 Teacher
4 Missionary
4 Apostle
2 Serving
1 Craftsmanship
0 Prophet
0 Intercession
0 Healing
0 Music
0 Evangelist


... not bad for an Agnostic. Not bad at all.:p
Deep Kimchi
25-09-2006, 14:05
Heh. Christianity, the Role-Playing Game.

Have you beaten level 9 yet? I'm stuck.

Hey! I want to roll my character over again - these dice suck.
Edwardis
25-09-2006, 14:10
Neither are the majority of the so called "gifts" on that list.
Many of them are fruit of the spirit that should be evident in every christian's life.

I'd find it worrisome to score so low on so many of them.

Well, I have to disagee. If you look at the Scripture verses associated with the gifts, you would have to call them gifts.

None of them are mentioned in with the Fruits of the Spirit.

I do and I don't. Just because I don't find joy in them, doesn't mean I don't do them. At the same time, I want to find joy in everything I do for God, so....
Deep Kimchi
25-09-2006, 14:12
Well, I have to disagee. If you look at the Scripture verses associated with the gifts, you would have to call them gifts.

None of them are mentioned in with the Fruits of the Spirit.

I do and I don't. Just because I don't find joy in them, doesn't mean I don't do them. At the same time, I want to find joy in everything I do for God, so....

Ed, I'm a Pentacostal, and I believe in gifts of the Spirit.

But...

We have to see them - we can't just take a test and say, "oh, so that's what I have..."
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2006, 14:16
We took a similar test at church a few months back, I remember my top 4 that I scored all the same amount on

Teaching
Exhortation
Prophesy
Administration

the prophesy one kinda messed me up.... and the next one down that I scored 2 less points on was "Giving"

haha, I am a very giving person.

I think I scored best on heresy, apostasy and backsliding... :)
Deep Kimchi
25-09-2006, 14:16
I think I scored best on heresy, apostasy and backsliding... :)

what was your Damnation level?
Edwardis
25-09-2006, 14:17
Ed, I'm a Pentacostal, and I believe in gifts of the Spirit.

But...

We have to see them - we can't just take a test and say, "oh, so that's what I have..."

What? :confused:

You mean that this test means nothing?!?!?

My purpose is drained from me. :rolleyes:

I'm not really sure what you're speaking to. This maybe?

I do and I don't. Just because I don't find joy in them, doesn't mean I don't do them. At the same time, I want to find joy in everything I do for God, so....

I was speaking to what Snow Eaters said about me not scoring high in the "important" gifts. Never mind that no gift is more important than another (some are greater, yes, but that is different from important). And I was responding that I might do the things required, but I may not find the same joy, or the same "unnatural" (for lack of a better word) inclination to do those things as I would if I had the gift for them.
Deep Kimchi
25-09-2006, 14:29
What? :confused:

You mean that this test means nothing?!?!?

My purpose is drained from me. :rolleyes:

I'm not really sure what you're speaking to. This maybe?

I was speaking to what Snow Eaters said about me not scoring high in the "important" gifts. Never mind that no gift is more important than another (some are greater, yes, but that is different from important). And I was responding that I might do the things required, but I may not find the same joy, or the same "unnatural" (for lack of a better word) inclination to do those things as I would if I had the gift for them.

Ed, I'm saying the test is bullshit.

If I see you heal someone, or you speak prophetically in advance of a major event that comes to pass, then you have a gift - that's what I'm saying.

Some pamphlet with eharmony questions on it doesn't cut it.
Smunkeeville
25-09-2006, 14:42
I think I scored best on heresy, apostasy and backsliding... :)

I am sure if those were on the test a LOT of us (including me) would score high on some of them ;)
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2006, 14:43
what was your Damnation level?

Six hundred something... ;)
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2006, 14:44
I am sure if those were on the test a LOT of us (including me) would score high on some of them ;)

Yeah... but you might score high on some of the other areas, too... :)
Edwardis
25-09-2006, 14:48
Ed, I'm saying the test is bullshit.

If I see you heal someone, or you speak prophetically in advance of a major event that comes to pass, then you have a gift - that's what I'm saying.

Some pamphlet with eharmony questions on it doesn't cut it.

Oh.

Yes, I agree with you, as I said in the OP.
Smunkeeville
25-09-2006, 14:51
Yeah... but you might score high on some of the other areas, too... :)

yeah.....like uberhottness (that's probably a sin to some people)
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2006, 14:56
yeah.....like uberhottness (that's probably a sin to some people)

Well, obviously you are going to tip the scale on that one... but Jesus didn't discriminate against that girl from Magdala just because she was uberhot, now did he?

(At the risk of burning in even more hells than I'm already destined for...) I think the important lesson we should always remember is WWJD... Who Would Jesus Do?
Smunkeeville
25-09-2006, 14:58
Well, obviously you are going to tip the scale on that one... but Jesus didn't discriminate against that girl from Magdala just because she was uberhot, now did he?
hey, I could be a stumbling block for them, you know making them lust or something.
(At the risk of burning in even more hells than I'm already destined for...) I think the important lesson we should always remember is WWJD... Who Would Jesus Do?
I feel bad even quoting that. :eek: :D
Grave_n_idle
25-09-2006, 15:06
hey, I could be a stumbling block for them, you know making them lust or something.


If that is so... you better put out, really.... (no, bear with me)... because if they have adultery with you in their hearts, they've already as good as had adultery with you in the flesh... right?

All that sex you are having, and you don't even get a kiss?


I feel bad even quoting that. :eek: :D

Well, you would, wouldn't you, lil Miss Stumblingblock. You know that pride is a sin, after all... :D
Eudeminea
25-09-2006, 22:58
My church recently had a "Spiritual Gifts Inventory" It was a booklet that you could use to find out which spiritual gifts you had. There were several categories with 15 possible points each.

My scores were...[/URL]

I can't put my finger on it, but this just doesn't seem right to me.

I think spiritual gifts are a highly personal subject, and probably the only way you can find out which ones you have would be to ask God for yourself. As for this test you speak of, the words of Paul keep comming to mind "the world by wisdom know not God."

I would be cautious accepting this information as true. It just sets my something-is-rotten-in-the-state-of-denmark sense tingling.
Edwardis
26-09-2006, 03:11
I can't put my finger on it, but this just doesn't seem right to me.

I think spiritual gifts are a highly personal subject, and probably the only way you can find out which ones you have would be to ask God for yourself. As for this test you speak of, the words of Paul keep comming to mind "the world by wisdom know not God."

I would be cautious accepting this information as true. It just sets my something-is-rotten-in-the-state-of-denmark sense tingling.

Same here.
Slaughterhouse five
26-09-2006, 03:47
Have you beaten level 9 yet? I'm stuck.

is thath the level where you have to recue jesus while the devil throws barrels at you

in case you dont get the referencee (http://www.empire-of-the-claw.com/files/Donkey%20Kong_640.jpg)