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Wow, I know there's another Post on here about the trauma that is love, however, I want to ask for my own advice. Hopefully this won't spark a new trend of depressed youngsters coming here for psychological help. I don't know who to turn to except for People I don't know...who could perhaps understand more broadly than my friends in the "real world."

You see, my girlfriend and I have been together for close to two years. Six months of that was spent in training. Bootcamp and AIT. The fifth month of being there, she told me that she had stripped on Webcam for money, which she didn't recieve to begin with. You know, I was hurt to some degree, but I forgave her. Then, when I came back, she acted totally closed off to me. The first day I saw her she didn't even hug me at first.

Then, I decided that it was me who had to do the changing, I spent three weeks alone, trying to find the parts within me that needed fixed. I came back better. She lives an hour from me, so, when I saw her (every weekend, minus two), and that's when she told me that she thought she loved someone else. She needed time to find out who she was going to be with.

Well, after a lot of crying, I went home. Then she decided to be with me. It's really hard to trust someone when they've cheated on you...but I'm beginning to. But, now she says that I'm too effectionate, I only get to see her two days out of the week, so of course, I'm a bit more effectionate than I would be normally. Then she pushes me away. Now, I wouldn't be asking for advice if it weren't for the fact that she just spent fifteen minutes literally hitting and kicking me. At first, we were playing...then I asked her while she was doing it...she said she hated me, playfully, but, she said she didn't liek me...how I annoy her by always trying to hold or kiss her.

I honestly don't know what to do to get her to love me fully...I need advice.

She's asleep right now, behind me...

break up simple as

and *throws ear*

You can't get anyone to love you more, at least I don't think so. If I was in your position, it might be hard, but I'd just give it up.

I don't think you can make someone love you. Either they do or they don't.

Shes not worth the trouble.

I honestly don't know what to do to get her to love me fully...I need advice.There isn't anything. The only things you could do would turn everything into a masquerade. If she can't love you for being who you are, it won't work out.

She'll never care for you as much as you care for her. It sounds like she's only with you because there's nothing better around right now, and that she'll cheat or leave if she gets a chance to. She probably feels rather shitty about being so dishonest, so she let slip something akin to her real feelings while you were playing, as opposed to just sitting you down and telling you. The physical violence I have no expalanation for, and is bizzare. The other alternative is that you are incredibly clingy and that you touch her FAR too much - but that seems unlikely. She does not have a great track record of putting you first man.

Basically, dump the motherfucker already.

That's the sick, twisted part of this...she actually says she loves me. "I do love you...if I didn't, i wouldn't have chosen to be with you." Then she does stuff like that...and *still* talks to the guy, as a friend.

I'll admit, I'm a very effectionate guy. But, some of the thigns she does just scares me.

I don't think you can make someone love you. Either they do or they don't.

I agree and add you shouldn't ever have to 'fix' yourself for someone.

If it pisses you off, then find a new broad.

You shouldn't HAVE to put up with anything in a relationship that you don't think is right. (by that i mean, doing something which wont do anything good for the future or the present by your own perspective)

I say we kill that bitch right now. WHO'S WITH ME?! *smears crap on self for warpaint, runs off, screaming*

Thanks, everybody.It's really hard though, you know, to find someone. I've been with her so long, the thought of starting over with somebody else seems mind boggling now.

But, I'll take what all of you said into consideration...and thank you all.

I say we kill that bitch right now. WHO'S WITH ME?! *smears crap on self for warpaint, runs off, screaming*

yep. Then profit *nods*

I say we kill that bitch right now. WHO'S WITH ME?! *smears crap on self for warpaint, runs off, screaming*

Haha...I'll just watch. I tell you what though, it's really hard not to hit back when they keep punching and kicking you...

...especially in the nuts. OUch.

I honestly don't know what to do to get her to love me fully...I need advice.

She's asleep right now, behind me...

Sounds a lot like Jerry to whom I wrote this poem many, many years ago.

To those in love, let I forbid
So they won't be dooed like I been did.

Him did not know her was a flirt
Him did not know her did him dirt.

I know, bad poem. My advice, dump the bitch. I dumped Jerry and am glad I did.

That's the sick, twisted part of this...she actually says she loves me. "I do love you...if I didn't, i wouldn't have chosen to be with you." Then she does stuff like that...and *still* talks to the guy, as a friend.

I'll admit, I'm a very effectionate guy. But, some of the thigns she does just scares me.
People don't always mean I love you when they say I love you. They may mean something like "since you're my boyfriend I think it's my responsibility to say that I love you, so here it is - see? I did it. that means that I'm fulfilling my obligations as a girlfriend". The phrase "I love you" has become something of an object, or a currency, as opposed to a representation of you actions and feeling towards someone.
She chose you and not the other guy because you're probably a better boyfriend, while he's probably a better fling. Doesn't mean she loves either of you.

I'll admit, I'm a very effectionate guy. But, some of the thigns she does just scares me.

If she scares you now and you stick with her, I hate to think what it will be like later. Dump her. There are a lot more and better women out there.

Thanks, everybody.It's really hard though, you know, to find someone. I've been with her so long, the thought of starting over with somebody else seems mind boggling now.

But, I'll take what all of you said into consideration...and thank you all.

I sorta know how that is. I was with someone for almost 2 years and she just leaves me because the "relationship went bad." ie she's a ****. It's odd not being with anyone right now.

...especially in the nuts. OUch.

Man, that is fucked up!

To those in love, let I forbid
So they won't be dooed like I been did.

Him did not know her was a flirt
Him did not know her did him dirt.
QUOTE]

You know, that's actually not too bad. Relates well with my situation.

[QUOTE=Kreitzmoorland;11722116]People don't always mean I love you when they say I love you. They may mean something like "since you're my boyfriend I think it's my responsibility to say that I love you, so here it is - see? I did it. that means that I'm fulfilling my obligations as a girlfriend". The phrase "I love you" has become something of an object, or a currency, as opposed to a representation of you actions and feeling towards someone.
She chose you and not the other guy because you're probably a better boyfriend, while he's probably a better fling. Doesn't mean she loves either of you.

It's hard not to believe her when she says it. Because it feels as if I'm treading on thin ice. I know she's the one that hurt me, but I don't have a spotless record either. Never cheated though...never will. But it's like, if I question it so much, she'll leave again.

If it pisses you off, then find a new broad.

You shouldn't HAVE to put up with anything in a relationship that you don't think is right. (by that i mean, doing something which wont do anything good for the future or the present by your own perspective)

Come on man. Grow those gonads you earned in bootcamp and AIT. Shit, of she dumped you for someone else while you were gone...and you'll be gone again...well.

Man, that is fucked up!

Damn, that sucks...how did you get passed it? The thought of being alone after so long frightens me. It feel slike I won't find anyone else. You know?

I know how hard it is to start over, especially if you really love the person.

She doesn't really love you.

She loves controlling you.






im sorry, hon. everyone here is right (except the ones saying to kill her). Leave before you throw more time away. No matter how much it hurts, it will lead you to a better life.

I say we kill that bitch right now. WHO'S WITH ME?! *smears crap on self for warpaint, runs off, screaming*A witch! A WITCH!

We have found a witch, may we burn her? :D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU)
(follow the grin...)

Damn, that sucks...how did you get passed it? The thought of being alone after so long frightens me. It feel slike I won't find anyone else. You know?Of course it frightens you. Two years is a long time, and you just get used to having the other person around, even if it is really more trouble than it's worth. Try to evaluate how much of your fear is that you won't be with HER, and how much is that you'll be alone and will have to start all over. If it's more of the latter and less of the former, you know you've gotten yourself into a rut -you're young, there's other women out there, and being single for a spell is totally fine too.

Damn, that sucks...how did you get passed it? The thought of being alone after so long frightens me. It feel slike I won't find anyone else. You know?

I know the feeling. I dont know, I mean, it's not too bad. I get lonely at times, a time recently was earlier was when my friend put her arm around me and I followed suit; I used to like her, never told her of course, and it made me a little down, but it wasn't too bad. I'm not sure how I'm doing this though. I'm not even one to let things go, I kinda just hold on to them, but for some odd reason, I just plain don't care about her and how it all ended up. It was a very weird experience for me to stop caring.

Damn, that sucks...how did you get passed it? The thought of being alone after so long frightens me. It feel slike I won't find anyone else. You know?Yeah. Chances are, that feeling may stick around for quite some time. Perhaps forever. Perhaps a week. Until recently, that's how I've been feeling. I managed to hang on to the thought that there was no certainty in me feeling like that forever, even if it felt like that.

How do you get past it? One breath at a time. Here's what I did:

1. Call your friends and let them know you will be needing their attention, to make sure you're eating and sleeping and generally okay. And tell them you want to get together when they have a chance. You have social time to fill. Start making other plans.

2. Think about (or make a list) of all the people in your life that DO love you, and all the wonderful blessings you DO have. Remind yourself of those things every time you start feeling low or alone.

3. Don't plan on dating anyone else for at least a year. Even if you go out as friends, make sure they know you aren't available because you're getting over someone. A general rule of thumb for how long to wait is half the time you were with them. If you had a ten year marriage, it would take five years to get over it. Besides, if you try to date anyone, they will get sick of hearing about your ex. Give it time

4. I guess that's it in a nutshell. Give it time. Focus on positive, goal-oriented things and keep moving. It gets easier the more time distance there is.

Wow, I know there's another Post on here about the trauma that is love, however, I want to ask for my own advice. Hopefully this won't spark a new trend of depressed youngsters coming here for psychological help. I don't know who to turn to except for People I don't know...who could perhaps understand more broadly than my friends in the "real world."

You see, my girlfriend and I have been together for close to two years. Six months of that was spent in training. Bootcamp and AIT. The fifth month of being there, she told me that she had stripped on Webcam for money, which she didn't recieve to begin with. You know, I was hurt to some degree, but I forgave her. Then, when I came back, she acted totally closed off to me. The first day I saw her she didn't even hug me at first.

OK,.. first off, how the heck old are you (and she)..?

What is the point of you and she (her?) "being together"? Why do you, and she, WANT to be together?

The reason I ask is to find out what you (both) want from this "relationship".

From the above it rather sounds like SHE doesn't want to be restricted in any way whatsoever (she's simply testing you for your reaction by telling you she "stripped for money" dude!), and it sounds like you want some pants to get into without having to get married to do so.

If you two just want to be F-buddies, neither of you has any claim to get emotionally distressed by ANYTHING the other does.


Then, I decided that it was me who had to do the changing, I spent three weeks alone, trying to find the parts within me that needed fixed. I came back better. She lives an hour from me, so, when I saw her (every weekend, minus two), and that's when she told me that she thought she loved someone else. She needed time to find out who she was going to be with.

If she even THINKS she "loves" someone else, she certainly DOESN'T "love" you, period. What she's "deciding" is who she wants to whore herself out to.

If you're after a little F-buddy whore, keep on wishing she "picks you", you lucky little devil you..!


Well, after a lot of crying, I went home.

..And you're crying over this whore for what again..?


Then she decided to be with me. It's really hard to trust someone when they've cheated on you...but I'm beginning to.

Why? My guess, because you like the porking. You already KNOW she's a whore, as she demonstrates that (most likely) with you on a regular basis, and you already KNOW she's untrustworthy,.. as well as cheap and rather skanky ("webcam slut!?").

So, once again, what are you after in this "relationship"..?


But, now she says that I'm too effectionate, I only get to see her two days out of the week, so of course, I'm a bit more effectionate than I would be normally. Then she pushes me away.

Of course she pushes you away! You're an ass who loves to suck up to whores..!

She knows she's being a whoring slut, and she doesn't want to be around such a man, even though she's the whore you're after.

Even whores eventually get disgusted with guys who chase after whores.


Now, I wouldn't be asking for advice if it weren't for the fact that she just spent fifteen minutes literally hitting and kicking me. At first, we were playing...then I asked her while she was doing it...she said she hated me, playfully, but, she said she didn't liek me...how I annoy her by always trying to hold or kiss her.

Another weird thing about whores. They HATE to be kissed.

They hate this primarily because "good" kissing is extremely intimate, and revealing of BOTH parties, and when you kiss her she KNOWS you really do care for her, but at the same time she KNOWS that she's disgusted by someone who would really care for her, and is afraid that you'd notice that she finds you pitiful and disgusting for caring for a whore such as herself.

Thus, she both "needs" you (as all whores NEED something representing "love") and she hates you (as any human being finds skank-suckers such as yourself truly grotesque).

That conflict is making her crazy.


I honestly don't know what to do to get her to love me fully...I need advice.

She's asleep right now, behind me...

My advice: Do her a favor and remove the immediate cause of her anguish, yourself, from her as soon as possible, and allow her to find another reason to be crazy that isn't you.

You should then find someone who isn't a whore with whom you each want a real relationship that will naturally make it's way to marriage, which is your only hope for true "sexual" happiness.


-Iakeo

That's the weird thing about it. It's not about the sex. When I say I "touch" her, I mean simply that. Wrapping my arms around her, hugging her,having an arma round her when we sit and so on and so forth. Last night she actually told me: "Let's do it."

...and you know what? I did. And I felt like the whore. 'cause the only reason I did it was becuase that's when she answers my questions...she tells me that she loves me, and wants to be with me.

So, that makes me a whore in some ways...the sex is a small part of who I am, believe it or not.

That's the weird thing about it. It's not about the sex. When I say I "touch" her, I mean simply that. Wrapping my arms around her, hugging her,having an arma round her when we sit and so on and so forth. Last night she actually told me: "Let's do it."

...and you know what? I did. And I felt like the whore. 'cause the only reason I did it was becuase that's when she answers my questions...she tells me that she loves me, and wants to be with me.

So, that makes me a whore in some ways...the sex is a small part of who I am, believe it or not.Look, if the only time you can get her to be at all close to you or talk to you or be positive about your relationship is during sex, and at the same time she shies away from the most casual touches, well, maybe you are the whorish one, because she's just using you for sex while you're investing alot more. I'm surprised you've put up with it for two years.

How do you get past it? One breath at a time. Here's what I did:

1. Call your friends and let them know you will be needing their attention, to make sure you're eating and sleeping and generally okay. And tell them you want to get together when they have a chance. You have social time to fill. Start making other plans.

2. Think about (or make a list) of all the people in your life that DO love you, and all the wonderful blessings you DO have. Remind yourself of those things every time you start feeling low or alone.

3. Don't plan on dating anyone else for at least a year. Even if you go out as friends, make sure they know you aren't available because you're getting over someone. A general rule of thumb for how long to wait is half the time you were with them. If you had a ten year marriage, it would take five years to get over it. Besides, if you try to date anyone, they will get sick of hearing about your ex. Give it time

4. I guess that's it in a nutshell. Give it time. Focus on positive, goal-oriented things and keep moving. It gets easier the more time distance there is.

I want to second this advice.

From an old man who's been around the block several times------If there is any question of trust at all--get out while the getting is good. A person who can't be trusted can't be trusted. Find someone who wouldn't cheat on you if the best looking man in the world walked into her room naked and you were half way around the world. Do you really want the mother of your children to be an internet stripper prostitute---then not smart enough to get paid so more of a slut which is even worse.

Aren't you glad you don't have children? Give this a little more time and she'll have children for you. Remember it's the mother's baby and the father's maybe.

I've been young and horney. Believe me when you find the right person there will be no questions like this. Another piece of advice that you will probably ignore but if you follow it you will have fewer questions in the future. Keep it in your pants! Sex covers a lot of evils and warps judgement. You will make better judgements with your head than with your crotch.

Wow, I know there's another Post on here about the trauma that is love, however, I want to ask for my own advice. Hopefully this won't spark a new trend of depressed youngsters coming here for psychological help. I don't know who to turn to except for People I don't know...who could perhaps understand more broadly than my friends in the "real world."

You see, my girlfriend and I have been together for close to two years. Six months of that was spent in training. Bootcamp and AIT. The fifth month of being there, she told me that she had stripped on Webcam for money, which she didn't recieve to begin with. You know, I was hurt to some degree, but I forgave her. Then, when I came back, she acted totally closed off to me. The first day I saw her she didn't even hug me at first.

Then, I decided that it was me who had to do the changing, I spent three weeks alone, trying to find the parts within me that needed fixed. I came back better. She lives an hour from me, so, when I saw her (every weekend, minus two), and that's when she told me that she thought she loved someone else. She needed time to find out who she was going to be with.

Well, after a lot of crying, I went home. Then she decided to be with me. It's really hard to trust someone when they've cheated on you...but I'm beginning to. But, now she says that I'm too effectionate, I only get to see her two days out of the week, so of course, I'm a bit more effectionate than I would be normally. Then she pushes me away. Now, I wouldn't be asking for advice if it weren't for the fact that she just spent fifteen minutes literally hitting and kicking me. At first, we were playing...then I asked her while she was doing it...she said she hated me, playfully, but, she said she didn't liek me...how I annoy her by always trying to hold or kiss her.

I honestly don't know what to do to get her to love me fully...I need advice.

She's asleep right now, behind me...


Honestly (and admittedly I have no experience in matter like this), it sounds like she's not really into you. Like maybe she's only with you because you're "holding her down" somehow (staying with you for your sake or perhaps staying with you because she feels guilty about not staying with you). It's also possible by your descriptions that she could be somewhat depressed (which, if that is the case, be relatively common in these sorts of problems). Does she feel guilty over minor things? Is she usually bored? Does she like to go out (in public) a lot, or is she somewhat reclusive? Does she have trouble falling asleep? Is she easily angered? Is she irritable?

Tell me, on the times when she says she doesn't like you anymore, does she come back to you (a more or less good sign) or do you go back to her?

Dude, I hate to say it, but this girl has made your her bitch. I realise you're hurt and that you're still confused about your feelings for her, but the best thing you can do is to dump her immediately.

Also, do yourself a favour and take everything Clamonia says with a rather large pinch of salt. You'll be down for a while, and there's no avoiding that, but don't lose your self respect. The fact that you genuinely care about this girl shows that you're one of the good guys, and any woman worth having will recognise that.

For now, wait a day or two then call up your friends, have a great night out, get completely hammered, hit on chicks at the bar, and the next morning laugh about all the crazy shit you did. Don't swear off love for life because you'll never manage it, but don't go looking for it either, because you don't find true love by seeking it out. And never change who you are: lovers come and lovers go, and while they're damn good fun they're nothing to pin your romantic dreams on, but a woman (or man?) who loves you for who you really are is a prize worth keeping.

Does she feel guilty over minor things? Is she usually bored? Does she like to go out (in public) a lot, or is she somewhat reclusive? Does she have trouble falling asleep? Is she easily angered? Is she irritable?

Tell me, on the times when she says she doesn't like you anymore, does she come back to you (a more or less good sign) or do you go back to her?

Yeah, she does feel guilty over rather minor things. She says s he's always mad at herself.

She usually does seem bored.

She likes to go out these days...last night we went to a volleyball game. She sat and talked with her friend and didn't mind me at all. I can't say I made the matters better...when the other guy called, he asked her if she wanted to hang out (I'm assuming this), because she said: "I can't, I have other priorites." I walked off..oy, I was pissed.

And, this is the first time she's said she doesn't like me...right after she went to bed. She's still asleep. I think I'll wait to see if she doees come to me...but usually...no, I go to her...a veyr few times she has.

Yeah, she does feel guilty over rather minor things. She says s he's always mad at herself.

Yeah, that's not a good sign. How's her self esteem? Is it quite low?

She usually does seem bored.

Another bad sign (good for your relationship, bad for her). The above things could mean she's depressed. Is she usually (not when she's "in the mood," jut normally) sort of tired or lethargic? Always low on energy? Are her eating habits strange? (such as eating very little during the day, but eating very large dinners full of usually unhealthy foods (frequently comfort foods; maybe something sweet or fatty)) Does she frequently seem anxious? (an unnerving feeling that something's wrong) [Note: This can manifest itself as easy-to-snap anger or irritability.]

She likes to go out these days...last night we went to a volleyball game. She sat and talked with her friend and didn't mind me at all. I can't say I made the matters better...when the other guy called, he asked her if she wanted to hang out (I'm assuming this), because she said: "I can't, I have other priorites." I walked off..oy, I was pissed.

When she goes out, does she sort of resist it or procrastinate unitl going out is no longer possible or simply to inconvinient? Is she usually late to things? Does she not go to places she promised to be? Do things always come up at the last minute? To get her out of the house, does it usually take a bit of pushing? (metaphorical pushing, thanks)

And, this is the first time she's said she doesn't like me...right after she went to bed. She's still asleep. I think I'll wait to see if she doees come to me...but usually...no, I go to her...a veyr few times she has.

Was she being very bored when she said this? Does she generally seem like she's feeling dull. Is she usually having a bad day? Is she generally not satisfied with things you do? Has she ever talked about life or the general experience of things as if they suck?

Of course, you can't read too much into all this, but if you answered yes to most of the questions, then she might be depressed. That can be the root cause of a lot of relationship issues.

If she's not depressed, it may be a good idea to end this realtionship; it would seem (in that case) that she's very much not into you. If she is depressed, then your relationship may have hope. Some antidepressants and perhaps some therapy should fix that up. As five final questions: Does she frequently seem hopeless? Is she a defeatist? Does she tend to beat herself up (again, metahporically) over pretty much anything she does? Does she perhaps take it out on you (when she does something bad or stupid)? Is she very pessemistic?

That's the weird thing about it. It's not about the sex. When I say I "touch" her, I mean simply that. Wrapping my arms around her, hugging her,having an arma round her when we sit and so on and so forth. Last night she actually told me: "Let's do it."

...and you know what? I did. And I felt like the whore. 'cause the only reason I did it was becuase that's when she answers my questions...she tells me that she loves me, and wants to be with me.

So, that makes me a whore in some ways...the sex is a small part of who I am, believe it or not.

She wants to be with YOUR SEX PARTS,.. not YOU.

Of course sex is only a small part of who you are..! That's true of EVERYONE, even whores.

The problem with whores is that that aspect of themselves is what they fascinate and obsess on. And their "sex toys" (ie YOU) become like all sex toys eventually become.

BORING..!!

There is nothing more boring, disgusting, or annoying to a sex addict (whore) than an old, familiar, dirty, un-exciting worn-down dildo,.. and that's what you are.

So,.. back to the original question: What do you WANT in a relationship with a woman?

If you want a whore, you'll have to get a new one on a regular basis, as they wear out, and you wear out to them, so I would suggest you simply make it a rule to play dildo for 8-10 weeks then move on to the next one to avoid any "emotional baggage" developing.

If you want more, find a real person not fixated on being a whore and making you into a fellow whore.

Is that too "direct"? :)


-Iakeo

...Also, do yourself a favour and take everything Clamonia says with a rather large pinch of salt. You'll be down for a while, and there's no avoiding that, but don't lose your self respect. The fact that you genuinely care about this girl shows that you're one of the good guys, and any woman worth having will recognise that....


If you do care for her as a person, you are indeed one of the good guys,.. no doubt.

But the good guys OFTEN mangle themselves by perverting themselves to please the perverse.


-Iakeo

By the way, if Bivalvolene's message depresses you... that's absolutely understandable.

If you do care for her as a person, you are indeed one of the good guys,.. no doubt.

But the good guys OFTEN mangle themselves by perverting themselves to please the perverse.


-Iakeo

Very true, although they're usually salvagable once they end the relationship.

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she sounds rubbish, i'd dump her straight away.

Wow, I know there's another Post on here about the trauma that is love, however, I want to ask for my own advice. Hopefully this won't spark a new trend of depressed youngsters coming here for psychological help. I don't know who to turn to except for People I don't know...who could perhaps understand more broadly than my friends in the "real world."

You see, my girlfriend and I have been together for close to two years. Six months of that was spent in training. Bootcamp and AIT. The fifth month of being there, she told me that she had stripped on Webcam for money, which she didn't recieve to begin with. You know, I was hurt to some degree, but I forgave her. Then, when I came back, she acted totally closed off to me. The first day I saw her she didn't even hug me at first.

Then, I decided that it was me who had to do the changing, I spent three weeks alone, trying to find the parts within me that needed fixed. I came back better. She lives an hour from me, so, when I saw her (every weekend, minus two), and that's when she told me that she thought she loved someone else. She needed time to find out who she was going to be with.

Well, after a lot of crying, I went home. Then she decided to be with me. It's really hard to trust someone when they've cheated on you...but I'm beginning to. But, now she says that I'm too effectionate, I only get to see her two days out of the week, so of course, I'm a bit more effectionate than I would be normally. Then she pushes me away. Now, I wouldn't be asking for advice if it weren't for the fact that she just spent fifteen minutes literally hitting and kicking me. At first, we were playing...then I asked her while she was doing it...she said she hated me, playfully, but, she said she didn't liek me...how I annoy her by always trying to hold or kiss her.

I honestly don't know what to do to get her to love me fully...I need advice.

She's asleep right now, behind me...

I can't decide if you are pathetic or if she is a bitch, but I am going to guess a combo.

I can't fix her bitchiness, but you could be less pathetic if you broke up with her and found someone more worthy of your time and attention.

...how I annoy her by always trying to hold or kiss her.

I honestly don't know what to do to get her to love me fully...I need advice.

She's asleep right now, behind me...

first of all.... WTF? what's wrong with hugs and kisses? :eek:


and secondly, people are right. you can't make her love you. you could change yourself to be more what she wants from you (or her lover), but do you really want to do that? it sounds to me like she doesn't want a relationship that much, or isn't too serious about it, but what do i know?

The woman is a severely messed up psycho bitch. Takes one to know one. After some shockingly similiar behavior, I did the kindest thing I could and divorced my poor husband. You can't fix her. She has to come to the conclusion she needs fixed and do it herself.
She has contempt for anyone who is such a loser they would fall for her. She may have a history of sexual abuse. This would explain the web porn bit and her annoyance at even non-sexual physical closeness.

Listen to Tech N9ne's "Psycho Bitch".

Been here, you'll never get the girl you want out of her. She may be trying to let you down easy.

...I need advice.

She's asleep right now, behind me...
She still asleep?
Give her a dirty Sanchez.