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How much does the potential of Britain hold should it attempt to become autonomous and militant?
What if we had a Benevolant Dictator, who bolstered the army.

Are we talking Failed Economy and Shot civil rights?
Rebirth of the Empire?
World domination?

your opinions on the capacity of britain

Look at Oliver Cromwell. Chances are if you had another one of him there'd probably be a rebirth of the British Empire. First stop: India.

Look at Oliver Cromwell. Chances are if you had another one of him there'd probably be a rebirth of the British Empire. First stop: India.


I said benevolant ;)

Look at Oliver Cromwell. Chances are if you had another one of him there'd probably be a rebirth of the British Empire. First stop: India.

The chance of the UK beating India in a war is about the same as the chance of American Samoa winning the next FIFA World Cup.

I said benevolant ;)

Well as far as I was taught, he was plenty benevolant.

The chance of the UK beating India in a war is about the same as the chance of American Samoa winning the next FIFA World Cup.

We have nukes.
We have a kickass navy.
We have our head so far up americas ass we can use its brain to fight for us.
We have 1000's of years of experiance, whereas indian princes often refused to fight.
We have influence over many countries.

India has.
Elephants.

We have nukes.
We have a kickass navy.
We have our head so far up americas ass we can use its brain to fight for us.
We have 1000's of years of experiance, whereas indian princes often refused to fight.
We have influence over many countries.

India has.
Elephants.

India has nukes
India has the third largest standing army in the world

You'd probably have a massive gorilla warfare problem from the Indian populace and Islamic Extremists would probably flood in from around the world just to fight Britain.
Also the world's third largest standing army.

India has nukes
India has the third largest standing army in the world

yehhh i know ;)

.... but we have Rule Britannia :D

You'd probably have a massive gorilla warfare problem from the Indian populace and Islamic Extremists would probably flood in from around the world just to fight Britain.
Also the world's third largest standing army.

It's "guerilla"

well we can erm....fuck up the economy…..and make us laughing stock possibly kill some Welshmen

I say we form a new E.U empire then we’ll show those damn colonials Wot! Wot!

You'd probably have a massive gorilla warfare problem from the Indian populace and Islamic Extremists would probably flood in from around the world just to fight Britain.
Also the world's third largest standing army.
Gorilla warfare (http://www.worth1000.com/entries/19000/19221_w.jpg)? I didn't even know there were gorillas in India. :p

Sorry.

You'd probably have a massive gorilla warfare problem...

That sounds... humourous.

We have a kickass navy.

lets not kid ourselves…

I've been drinking all afternoon, leave me alone.

lets not kid ourselves…

Yehh i know.
:(
We used to though.... do you think the indians would play nice if we broke out the galleys and trimemes?

Yehh i know.
:(
We used to though.... do you think the indians would play nice if we broke out the galleys and trimemes?
Well, I expect Britain's navy would kick ass when compared to the Indian navy.

Well, I expect Britain's navy would kick ass when compared to the Indian navy.

as long as its not in brown water or anywhere near an Indian airfield (we Kind of have a problem with air superiority now:()

You'd probably have a massive gorilla warfare problem from the Indian populace and Islamic Extremists would probably flood in from around the world just to fight Britain.
Also the world's third largest standing army.

They do however have very little experience, skill and good equipment.

They do however have very little experience, skill and good equipment.

We're barely hanging on to Iraq and Afghanistan with America and other nations help. I doubt anyone would help us invade India for purely coloniol purposes.

We're barely hanging on to Iraq and Afghanistan with America and other nations help. I doubt anyone would help us invade India for purely coloniol purposes.

your forgetting.
If this country were to militarise and make war its primary function

You'd probably have a massive gorilla warfare problem from the Indian populace and Islamic Extremists would probably flood in from around the world just to fight Britain.
Also the world's third largest standing army.

It's "guerilla"

No. It's Guerrilla. If you're going to correct people, do so without giving out misinformation. :rolleyes:

(Between this and bullying the newbies you're being a right little brat today.)

your forgetting.
If this country were to militarise and make war its primary function

The other governments that have done this in the modern world are North Korea and Burma. Neither seems like a good role model. Realistically a resurrection of the British Empire is a pipe dream, as is the idea of Britain becoming a dominant military power.

Realistically a resurrection of the British Empire is a pipe dream, as is the idea of Britain becoming a dominant military power.

we still have the Commonwealth.....that counts right...right!?

Gorilla warfare (http://www.worth1000.com/entries/19000/19221_w.jpg)? I didn't even know there were gorillas in India. :p

Yes, sure, gorilla warfare. Have you never heard about it? They even write about it in the United Nations Encyclopedia! You can see it here:
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Gorilla_warfare (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Guerilla_warfare)

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Armed_monkeys.jpg

we still have the Commonwealth.....that counts right...right!?

If by "empire" you mean a network of occasional dialogue and
a poor man's version of the Olympics, then yes.

North Korea V2.0

We're barely hanging on to Iraq and Afghanistan with America and other nations help.

Did you just say that Britain is in Iraq and Afghanistan with Americas help? I don't think it gets more blindly arrogant than that.

Did you just say that Britain is in Iraq and Afghanistan with Americas help? I don't think it gets more blindly arrogant than that.

don't kid yourself were mutual partners in the coalition technically were helping each other

don't kid yourself were mutual partners in the coalition technically were helping each other

I don't see how 30-1 troop ratios are in any way mutual. Also the hundreds of billions more spent by America. Not to forget that America is in the badlands of iraq while british forces takeover relatively pro-coalition areas.

I don't see how 30-1 troop ratios are in any way mutual. Also the hundreds of billions more spent by America. Not to forget that America is in the badlands of iraq while british forces takeover relatively pro-coalition areas.

we have the smaller army though so its hardly fair not to give us a bit of leeway in terms of what we do

India has nukes
India has the third largest standing army in the world

Conventianly if England really put it's mind to it in a convential war they could defeat the Indian army based purely on how much more advanced their military is even if it is much smaller. Succesful occupation would be another thing all together and England would fail misserably in that department considering Indias population.

But this is all is mute because if it came down to it India would take advantage of their nuclear weapons and force Enlgand to back down.

we have the smaller army though so its hardly fair not to give us a bit of leeway in terms of what we do

And i do just don't make it sound like the U.S. is helping the amazing Great Britain do everything.

And i do just don't make it sound like the U.S. is helping the amazing Great Britain do everything.

Dude, this is a thread about Britain, Britain and the US are partners in a coalition meaning that it can be described either way.

Grow a thicker skin.

I'd be curious as to the Chinese reaction to the Brits trying to retake India. And which way would the US government go on that. The UK and India are both allies of the US.

How much does the potential of Britain hold should it attempt to become autonomous and militant?
What if we had a Benevolant Dictator, who bolstered the army.

Are we talking Failed Economy and Shot civil rights?
Rebirth of the Empire?
World domination?

your opinions on the capacity of britain

You already had Margaret Thatcher. Why are you asking this as if it's theoretical?

I'd be curious as to the Chinese reaction to the Brits trying to retake India. And which way would the US government go on that. The UK and India are both allies of the US.

Yes, and we're looking forward to eating the Indian Mangos that we purchased with nuclear technology.

Conventianly if England really put it's mind to it in a convential war they could defeat the Indian army based purely on how much more advanced their military is even if it is much smaller. Succesful occupation would be another thing all together and England would fail misserably in that department considering Indias population.

But this is all is mute because if it came down to it India would take advantage of their nuclear weapons and force Enlgand to back down.

It's all moot.

While India has nuclear explosive technology, do they have the missle technology to launch them?

Well as far as I was taught, he was plenty benevolant.

You obviously weren't taught much Irish history then. September 11th? Over three thousand slain? Drogheda?

Well as far as I was taught, he was plenty benevolant.
Nope, he led a military dictatorship which was pretty horrible.

He was before his time on things like mental healthcare, but on the other hand, he banned stuff like football, and having fun on Christmas, and going out on a Sunday to anywhere but the church.

Sort of like the Taliban, but with mental healthcare benefits.

...he banned stuff like ... and having fun on Christmas...


Not quite.

http://www.olivercromwell.org/faqs4.htm

well we can erm....fuck up the economy…..and make us laughing stock possibly kill some Welshmen

I say we form a new E.U empire then we’ll show those damn colonials Wot! Wot!

frankly the idea of britian being able to go it alone in militaristic terms - regaining the empire or any other acts of haegemony - is laughable. these days there is no such thing as sovereignity due to the highly interdependant nature of world trade and our economies, and the only countries capable of unilateral military or political action are the USA, china, and possibly india.

the only way britain will survive or have any actual role to play in world affairs in the future is to become a stronger voice inside a more integrated EU. a Federal European Union would certainly have the power to stand on its own two feet, but not Britain on its own.


as for the OP; why should britain want to become more militant? :confused:

Not quite.

http://www.olivercromwell.org/faqs4.htm

Cromwell was a dictator. A depressingly modern thug, a theocratic tyrant and his most valuable contribution to British society was to die.

I'd be curious as to the Chinese reaction to the Brits trying to retake India. And which way would the US government go on that. The UK and India are both allies of the US.

Its Russia that would raise the fuss.

The primary concept of Central Asian diplomacy is what is called 'the Great Game', a situation where four powers face inward toward Central Asia and skillfully try to counter the actions of the other three players. The current four players are Russia, China, India and Pakistan. Each player views its neighbours to the left and right as its rival, and the adjacent player as a potential ally.

It's been compared in previous incarnations as a game of chess. Although, if we say that the pellets represent Central Asian resources and mashing alot counts as military build-up, then its kinda like Hungry Hungry Hippos.

.... but we have Rule Britannia :D

This will take care of that.

http://www.brahmos.com/images/missile.jpg

as long as its not in brown water or anywhere near an Indian airfield

India is a blue water navy. Obviously, it does not match up to UK, but it is not a pushover in the ocean.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Surface.html
Aircraft Carriers
Indigenous Aircraft Carrier 1 being built
Centaur Class 1 in service
Kiev Class 1 [in refit]


Guided-Missile Destroyers
Type 15 Delhi Class 3 in service
Rajput {Kashin II} Class 5 in service
Project 15A Kolkata Class 1 being built + 2 more projected

Guided-Missile Frigates
Modified Krivak III Class 3 on order
Talwar {Krivak III} Class 3 in service
Project 17 {Shivalik} Class 3 being built
Type 16A Brahmaputra Class 3 in service
Type 16 Godavari Class 3 in service

Guided-Missile Corvettes
Project 28 1 being built + 3 more projected
Type 25A Kora Class 4 in service
Type 25 Khukri Class 4 in service
Veer {Tarantul I} Class 12 in service

I don't know if Britain would accept having a dictator.
But they would rebuild there empire if they had one.
#1 America
#2 India
#3 Malta
#4 Australia
#5 Canada

I don't know if Britain would accept having a dictator.
But they would rebuild there empire if they had one.
#1 America
#2 India
#3 Malta
#4 Australia
#5 Canada

what’s with the list?

and screw protecting Malta again

It's all moot.

While India has nuclear explosive technology, do they have the missle technology to launch them?

Yes, the Agni series.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MISSILES/Agni.html

I don't know if Britain would accept having a dictator.
But they would rebuild there empire if they had one.
#1 America
#2 India
#3 Malta
#4 Australia
#5 Canada

Good luck taking back any of these without significant losses. I agree with those who say Britain could not best India. Although, the US would probably look the other way if you started launching things into S. America...as long as trade is consistent. The Monroe Doctrine isnt something we really enforce anymore. We wouldnt let France have mexico, but they've become enough of a problem that we'd probably let you at them.

Good luck taking back any of these without significant losses. I agree with those who say Britain could not best India. Although, the US would probably look the other way if you started launching things into S. America...as long as trade is consistent. The Monroe Doctrine isnt something we really enforce anymore. We wouldnt let France have mexico, but they've become enough of a problem that we'd probably let you at them.

Sorry, but lists make me happy, but Britain could take back Malta by force.
And Canada wouldn't (or maybe couldn't) do anything if Britain tried to reaquire it.

Britain: Hey, you! Canada!
Canada: Yeah?
Britain: Come to the Dark side!
Canada: Eh?
Britain: Join us!
Canada: But...
Britain: Sit down and shutup!
Canada: OK

India has nukes
India has the third largest standing army in the world

Yeah, also, the UK has superior equipment. Indian nukes don't have near the range of British ones, so their nukes are fairly irrelevant. And, just because they have the "3rd largest standing army" doesn't mean they're well trained.

You'd probably have a massive gorilla warfare problem from the Indian populace and Islamic Extremists would probably flood in from around the world just to fight Britain.
Also the world's third largest standing army.

Did somebody say gorilla warfare?

http://www.freakingnews.com/entries/500/585sXAW_w.jpg

I don't see how 30-1 troop ratios are in any way mutual. Also the hundreds of billions more spent by America. Not to forget that America is in the badlands of iraq while british forces takeover relatively pro-coalition areas.

Because the American areas are full of insergeants due to the bad handiling of the situation by the US Army, and the UK's areas are much more pro-west.

Simple.

Sorry, but lists make me happy, but Britain could take back Malta by force.

we could fight the Maltese military sure enough but Malta is a hugely strategic location (not so much anymore though) and so we would find ourselves taking on allot more than Malta (Egypt I’m guessing seeing as how Malta links in with the Suez canals importance)