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A different thread, although spawned from the above.

Throughout the animal kingdom, the urge to pass on the seed and continue the family is the primal urge.
Being Bisexual myself, socially i see no reason against it, but from a scientific point it is interesting to note that people of Gay and Lesbian choice do not feel this urge, any thoughts to this.

If I say what just came into my head I'll be called a Nazionalsozialist and be banned forever.

I'm already feeling sufficiently disturbed that I actually thought what I though, so, I'm just going to go take another shower to clean the grime of that thought off of me.

A different thread, although spawned from the above.

Throughout the animal kingdom, the urge to pass on the seed and continue the family is the primal urge.
Being Bisexual myself, socially i see no reason against it, but from a scientific point it is interesting to note that people of Gay and Lesbian choice do not feel this urge, any thoughts to this.

That's about the stupidest thing I've read on this board, and that's up against some pretty heavy competition.

i had an idea to make gays straight using lasers. but its apart of why radical theory pile along with curing aids using 9volt batteries.

I'm gay. I do feel the need to "pass the seed," as you put it. However, I'm not attracted to women, and accept that I am therefore unable to concieve naturally.

Maybe homosexuality then is a pyschological condition, where people feel no need to reproduce? Asexuality fits into that as well. But it still doesn't explain why they feel the need to attempt to reproduce with their own gender.

A different thread, although spawned from the above.

Throughout the animal kingdom, the urge to pass on the seed and continue the family is the primal urge.
Being Bisexual myself, socially i see no reason against it, but from a scientific point it is interesting to note that people of Gay and Lesbian choice do not feel this urge, any thoughts to this.

I think if you get down to the root, it's not so much the urge to spread DNA but rather the pleasure connected with sex that drives procreation. I don't normally go to bed with anyone thinking "Oh, yes, please let me get pregnant so my genetic material lives on".

The emotions connected to child rearing are not directly related with the emotions connected with having sex, or even with sexual attraction.
Therefore, gays and lesbians don't tick differently in any way really.

If I say what just came into my head I'll be called a Nazionalsozialist and be banned forever.

You're a Nazionalsozialist and should be banned forever.

That's about the stupidest thing I've read on this board, and that's up against some pretty heavy competition.

How so.

That's about the stupidest thing I've read on this board, and that's up against some pretty heavy competition.

Nazz! I'm very surprised in you. After all you've seen?

A different thread, although spawned from the above.

Throughout the animal kingdom, the urge to pass on the seed and continue the family is the primal urge.
Being Bisexual myself, socially i see no reason against it, but from a scientific point it is interesting to note that people of Gay and Lesbian choice do not feel this urge, any thoughts to this.Firstly, gay and lesbian is not a choice. If you believe it is, then you are confusing sexual behavior with sexual orientation; the two are different.
Secondly, many gays and lesbians do wish to have children.
Thirdly, many heterosexuals (and bisexuals) do not wish to have children.

How so.

Because millions of gays and lesbians procreate every year, and it's not all because they're feeling social pressure to stay in the closet and prove to the world that they're not gay by spawning young. My ex-wife is a lesbian, and she felt the need to procreate twice, once with me and once before we met. Her sexuality had nothing to do with that desire to have children.

Nazz! I'm very surprised in you. After all you've seen?

Well, it falls into a category of stupidest things ever, alongside stuff like "we've already found WMD in Iraq" and "young earth creationism is science."

Throughout the animal kingdom, the urge to pass on the seed and continue the family is the primal urge.
Being Bisexual myself, socially i see no reason against it, but from a scientific point it is interesting to note that people of Gay and Lesbian choice do not feel this urge, any thoughts to this.

Take no offense, please, but actually it's a question not to psychology, but to psychiatry - it is classed under ICD 302.0, and a lot of scientific studies have been done of the subject in this field.
As far as I have read, the sexual orientation deviations are produced by a "higher layer" than the core reproduction instinct. This is especially so for bisexuals.

Take no offense, please, but actually it's a question not to psychology, but to psychiatry - it is classed under ICD 302.0, and a lot of scientific studies have been done of the subject in this field.
As far as I have read, the sexual orientation deviations are produced by a "higher layer" than the core reproduction instinct. This is especially so for bisexuals.

no offence taken, if i did not want an awnser i would not ask a question.

Actually, one possible explanation involves population control. When population density reaches a certain level, it may trigger "alternative" behaviour to slow the growth rate. For instance, I believe that this occurs in a certain species of frog. Genetically programmed behaviour may be much more complex than many imagine it to be.

Maybe homosexuality then is a pyschological condition, where people feel no need to reproduce? Asexuality fits into that as well. But it still doesn't explain why they feel the need to attempt to reproduce with their own gender.

Sex is an urge to have sex. Reproduction is an unintended by-product of that urge.

"The NIH study, which will be published in the July issue of _Science_, is the most recent in a body of research indicating a possible genetic basis for homosexuality. While a widely-publicized brain study by researcher Simon LeVay and a subsequent study of gay male twins pointed to the potential of a biological basis, the NIH study identifies a specific area of the X chromosome that is linked to male homosexuality. The study does not identify an individual gene responsible for directing sexual orientation, nor does it show that the specific chromosome accounts for all occurrences of homosexuality. The study focused solely on gay men, although a similar study of lesbians is in progress."

The above is from a paper presented by the National Institute of Health or NIH and the entirety can seen at the below listed website.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/scotts/ftp/bulgarians/nih-ngltf.html

Genetic basis of homosexuality is pretty mainstream among geneticists. Also I have been told by reliable zoologists that homosexuality IS known among the animal kingdom and has been witnessed by those who study animal sexual behavior.

Also I have been told by reliable zoologists that homosexuality IS known among the animal kingdom and has been witnessed by those who study animal sexual behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

A vast number of species do, actually ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

A vast number of species do, actually ;)

Thank you for the link. :)
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Thank you for the link. :)
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My pleasure, lovely :)
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I think if you get down to the root

Beavis and Butthead are *so* laughing right now ...

My pleasure, lovely :)
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:rolleyes: Oh come on, you're better looking than I am on my best day.
but thanks just the same! :fluffle: :fluffle:

Beavis and Butthead are *so* laughing right now ...

*lol
Yeah, sure , make fun of the German girl for not realising what she typed :D

*lol
Yeah, sure , make fun of the German girl for not realising what she typed :D

Hehe ... just be more careful ... especially when I'm online. ;)

In a thread about sex and/or sexuality, saying anything about going down or root might not be a good idea ... hehe .. especially if in the same sentence. :eek:

Homosexuality may have some adaptive advantages. A homosexual family member can help raise his/her neices and nephews, raising the number of offspring that make it to adulthood.

Hehe ... just be more careful ... especially when I'm online. ;)

In a thread about sex and/or sexuality, saying anything about going down or root might not be a good idea ... hehe .. especially if in the same sentence. :eek:

Ah, don't worry about it. But now you've got me thinking dirty, and I promised myself not to post on NSG any more when thinking like that. Might lead to trouble... :p

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

A vast number of species do, actually ;)

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Take that Okielahoma!

Ah, don't worry about it. But now you've got me thinking dirty, and I promised myself not to post on NSG any more when thinking like that. Might lead to trouble... :p

Heh are you on MSN? I have a sudden urge to chat with you....:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

A vast number of species do, actually ;)

That is so gay ;)

Heh are you on MSN? I have a sudden urge to chat with you....:D

Hehe... I am, so feel free :D

That is so gay ;)

Isn't everyone? :D

Hehe ... just be more careful ... especially when I'm online. ;)

In a thread about sex and/or sexuality, saying anything about going down or root might not be a good idea ... hehe .. especially if in the same sentence. :eek:

But it's an important point! The question of what causes homosexual behaviour is a hard topic to stay on top of, and even if solved it will stand erect in the annals of natural history. There have been many mass debates on the topic, but even if the general principles at the root of the problem are firm and well-rounded one has yet to bring the long and hard discussion to a peak since one has really penetrated into the inner core of the issue - due to the subjects status as taboo.

Once ordinary people can wrap their hands around the issue of homosexuality and taste its harmlessness, perhaps we all can feel the thrust of an open and honest debate about the causes.

But it's an important point! The question of what causes homosexual behaviour is a hard topic to stay on top of, and even if solved it will stand erect in the annals of natural history. There have been many mass debates on the topic, but even if the general principles at the root of the problem are firm and well-rounded one has yet to bring the long and hard discussion to a peak since one has really penetrated into the inner core of the issue - due to the subjects status as taboo.

Once ordinary people can wrap their hands around the issue of homosexuality and taste its harmlessness, perhaps we all can feel the thrust of an open and honest debate about the causes.

http://www.htguide.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_rofl.gif

Brilliant! Just... brilliant!!!

But it's an important point! The question of what causes homosexual behaviour is a hard topic to stay on top of, and even if solved it will stand erect in the annals of natural history. There have been many mass debates on the topic, but even if the general principles at the root of the problem are firm and well-rounded one has yet to bring the long and hard discussion to a peak since one has really penetrated into the inner core of the issue - due to the subjects status as taboo.

Once ordinary people can wrap their hands around the issue of homosexuality and taste its harmlessness, perhaps we all can feel the thrust of an open and honest debate about the causes.

You are my hero. I wish I could put that whole thing in my sig. I really, really do.

This is definately going on my list of top 25 NSG posts (which will be a thread later today or tomorrow).

A different thread, although spawned from the above.

Throughout the animal kingdom, the urge to pass on the seed and continue the family is the primal urge.
Being Bisexual myself, socially i see no reason against it, but from a scientific point it is interesting to note that people of Gay and Lesbian choice do not feel this urge, any thoughts to this.

As I understand it, it's not quite that simple.

1) Homosexuality is partially genetic and partially womb environment.

2) The genetic component is extraordinarily complex. First, many genetic expressions are polygenic (it takes genes a,b,c, and d to cause result X, for example.) Add in the fact that many genetic "problems"* carry a heterozygotic advantage**, and you can see where there's at least grounds to suggest that the genetic components of homosexuality may carry an evolutionary advantage.

*I can't really think of a nice way to say it casually, but differeing from the "baseline" norm. I hope you understand what I mean....

** Tae-Sachs and incresed TB immunity, or Sicle-cell and incresed Malaria immunity for examples. The genes are ressessive. If you carry AA you are normally suceptable, if you carry Aa or aA you have hightened immunity, and if you haver aa you get a nasty disorder. The result is that 25% of the population has no special advantage, 50% has an advantage, and 25% have a serious weakness.

http://www.htguide.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_rofl.gif

Brilliant! Just... brilliant!!!
:D Thank you - and it even had a serious message hidden somewhere. ;)

You are my hero. I wish I could put that whole thing in my sig. I really, really do.

This is definately going on my list of top 25 NSG posts (which will be a thread later today or tomorrow).
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I'm honoured :)

You are my hero. I wish I could put that whole thing in my sig. I really, really do.

This is definately going on my list of top 25 NSG posts (which will be a thread later today or tomorrow).

Oooh, oooh! Will my post telling some global warming denier that he wouldn't know hard evidence if it slapped him in the face with his dick be on there? :D

Thirdly, many heterosexuals (and bisexuals) do not wish to have children.

That's because humans are well aware of the distiction between the two. Even so, it's interesting that even with the desire to avoid procriation what people tend to be attracted to are signs that the individual will be fertile and able to take care of children.

Large breasts and wide hips. Porno magazines geared towards men show much more voluptuous women than the fashion magazines which cater to women and gay men.

Signs of health and prestige are considered attractive even if you don't want that person to bear, father, or support your kids.

As I understand it, it's not quite that simple.

1) Homosexuality is partially genetic and partially womb environment.

2) The genetic component is extraordinarily complex. First, many genetic expressions are polygenic (it takes genes a,b,c, and d to cause result X, for example.) Add in the fact that many genetic "problems"* carry a heterozygotic advantage**, and you can see where there's at least grounds to suggest that the genetic components of homosexuality may carry an evolutionary advantage.

*I can't really think of a nice way to say it casually, but differeing from the "baseline" norm. I hope you understand what I mean....

** Tae-Sachs and incresed TB immunity, or Sicle-cell and incresed Malaria immunity for examples. The genes are ressessive. If you carry AA you are normally suceptable, if you carry Aa or aA you have hightened immunity, and if you haver aa you get a nasty disorder. The result is that 25% of the population has no special advantage, 50% has an advantage, and 25% have a serious weakness.

I believe that cystic fibrosis has a similar advantage in resisting disentary (sp).

But it's an important point! The question of what causes homosexual behaviour is a hard topic to stay on top of, and even if solved it will stand erect in the annals of natural history. There have been many mass debates on the topic, but even if the general principles at the root of the problem are firm and well-rounded one has yet to bring the long and hard discussion to a peak since one has really penetrated into the inner core of the issue - due to the subjects status as taboo.

Once ordinary people can wrap their hands around the issue of homosexuality and taste its harmlessness, perhaps we all can feel the thrust of an open and honest debate about the causes.

I love you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

A vast number of species do, actually ;)

National Geographic also has a good article on the subject.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

But it's an important point! The question of what causes homosexual behaviour is a hard topic to stay on top of, and even if solved it will stand erect in the annals of natural history. There have been many mass debates on the topic, but even if the general principles at the root of the problem are firm and well-rounded one has yet to bring the long and hard discussion to a peak since one has really penetrated into the inner core of the issue - due to the subjects status as taboo.

Once ordinary people can wrap their hands around the issue of homosexuality and taste its harmlessness, perhaps we all can feel the thrust of an open and honest debate about the causes.

I was going to reply to the OP that I am bisexual and do not want to have children at all, but after reading this, I want to have YOUR children!

A different thread, although spawned from the above.

Throughout the animal kingdom, the urge to pass on the seed and continue the family is the primal urge.
Being Bisexual myself, socially i see no reason against it, but from a scientific point it is interesting to note that people of Gay and Lesbian choice do not feel this urge, any thoughts to this.

My thought: Who gives a fuck! Just let it be. Do gays and lesbians wonder about the psychology of straight people? I don't think so.

My thought: Who gives a fuck! Just let it be. Do gays and lesbians wonder about the psychology of straight people? I don't think so.I imagine they do insofar as it affects their ability to live open and happy lives, but beyond that, probably not.

I'm Straight and I don't feel any urge, emotional or biological, to spawn and breed. I do know some gay people who want kids. eww :gundge:

That's because humans are well aware of the distiction between the two. Even so, it's interesting that even with the desire to avoid procriation what people tend to be attracted to are signs that the individual will be fertile and able to take care of children.

Large breasts and wide hips. Porno magazines geared towards men show much more voluptuous women than the fashion magazines which cater to women and gay men.

Signs of health and prestige are considered attractive even if you don't want that person to bear, father, or support your kids.
i dont find large breasts and wide hips attractive at all.
I prefer the waifish look...Keira Knightley..yum

I'm Straight and I don't feel any urge, emotional or biological, to spawn and breed. I do know some gay people who want kids. eww :gundge:

And what, pray tell, is so "ew" about gay people wanting kids?

I'm just waiting for someone to make a paedophile joke, and I know I just walked right into it.

I imagine they do insofar as it affects their ability to live open and happy lives, but beyond that, probably not.

Whenever people delve into the psychology of homosexuals or look for reasons for its existence, there is an inevitable call from some to use this knowledge to "cure" it. Sorry, but it sets off a Nazi alarm in my head.

i dont find large breasts and wide hips attractive at all.
I prefer the waifish look...Keira Knightley..yum

Many people probably feel the same way...but I think the point still stands. On average, isn't there evidence that hip size, etc. can conceivably serve as a physical markers of reproductive health, and these traits are also generally more "attractive" to men? The point being that the fact men are more attracted to women with these features is *not* a coincidence. That would be the evolutionary psychologist's take on it, anyhow.

And what, pray tell, is so "ew" about gay people wanting kids?

I'm just waiting for someone to make a paedophile joke, and I know I just walked right into it.

Maybe he means they will grow up gay heterophobic kids?

My thought: Who gives a fuck! Just let it be. Do gays and lesbians wonder about the psychology of straight people? I don't think so.

I imagine that they're intensly interested in what drives so many straight people to act so oppresivly towards them.

I love you.
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I never knew... :D
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And what, pray tell, is so "ew" about gay people wanting kids?

I'm just waiting for someone to make a paedophile joke, and I know I just walked right into it.I just assumed the "ew" was to the thought of having kids, period. Ew.

That's because humans are well aware of the distiction between the two. Even so, it's interesting that even with the desire to avoid procriation what people tend to be attracted to are signs that the individual will be fertile and able to take care of children.

Large breasts and wide hips. Porno magazines geared towards men show much more voluptuous women than the fashion magazines which cater to women and gay men.

Signs of health and prestige are considered attractive even if you don't want that person to bear, father, or support your kids.Well, sorta. It is true that heterosexual men like women with big breasts, however, wide hips on women don't seem to be favored by the majority of men, anymore. Fat is seen as a no-no, even though it's fairly vital to the reproduction process.

My thought: Who gives a fuck! Just let it be. Do gays and lesbians wonder about the psychology of straight people? I don't think so.

I'm bisexual and I do now and then, but then, psychology is my field. The insecurity and awkwardness that characterize heterosexual interaction can be very amusing on the surface, but also very thought-provoking. I personally think it has to do with fear of the other - something homosexuals needn't worry about as much. Then again, in a society more closed to their ways, that awkwardness can return for homosexuals in the form of the "Is he or isn't he?" conundrum.

That's from my male perspective...sorry lesbians, I've not had enough exposure to ponder your ways.

Whenever people delve into the psychology of homosexuals or look for reasons for its existence, there is an inevitable call from some to use this knowledge to "cure" it. Sorry, but it sets off a Nazi alarm in my head.Well, I was responding to a post that asked if gay people thought about the psychology of non-gay people, which is why I responded the way I did. But yeah, I worry about it too--as though homosexuality is a disease to be cured, as if we could find a gay gene and then turn it off in the embryonic stage before the fetus develops. Fuck that.