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Osama dead of Typhoid?

What a happy, fun death! :D

if i was one of his loyal minions and the sheik went off and died on me, i secretly dispose of his body, so the west would never really be sure he was dead. sure a martyr's nice, but a legendary leader who will someday return and who can never be captured or defeated is priceless.

Ive been saying this for quite a while now...

Osama likely died sometime in 03, possibly as early as 02.
Remember, he was a diabetic, and needed dialysis at least twice a week, becuase both his kidneys were shut down.
Unless he recieved a pancreas transplant, and a kidney transplant, he is most certainly dead.

Unless some of you folks believe he could have been living in some dank cave, with a dialysis machine....

The videos were all recorded before his death, to be released periodically, to make people believe he is still alive.

The videos were all recorded before his death, to be released periodically, to make people believe he is still alive.

I suppose it will be a giveaway in a few years time when he keeps his dashing good looks….

And hurrah the caveman is dead does that mean the war on terror is over and we can pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan leaving stable and democratic governments?

Hopefully he isnt dead. If he was then who would put America in its' place?

And hurrah the caveman is dead does that mean the war on terror is over and we can pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan leaving stable and democratic governments?

Since when has America left a country in a better state than when they invaded? Sorry, "Liberated"

The videos were all recorded before his death, to be released periodically, to make people believe he is still alive.

apparwntly the dialysis machine story is horeshit

explain how he refers to current events (london bombings, football scores) in his video addresses?

apparwntly the dialysis machine story is horeshit

explain how he refers to current events (london bombings, football scores) in his video addresses?

As soon as you explain to me how a diabetic with two failing kidneys can survive 5 years without needed transplants.

A friend of mine got the same procedures done last year.
Pancreas transplant, and a kidney.

It nearly killed him.

Twice.

He was on dialysis for about six months.
It really leeches the life out of you...even though you need it to live.

So unless, shortly after 9/11, Osama was taken to a very modern, and high tech medical facility, where both of these procedures were performed, and the needed follow-up tests and whatnot for organ rejection....he is a doornail.

Typhoid, eh? Not the nicest way to die ...

I still maintain he lives in London or New York. Think about it, that's the last place folks are going to look. I know if I was on the run, I'd rather be facing the police than a great big army. Logic=fun.
Plus, all the videos I've seen he's inside, or the background looks like it could be a tarp.

Even if/when he dies though, there's thousands more Fundamentalists who will be happy to take his place.

So unless, shortly after 9/11, Osama was taken to a very modern, and high tech medical facility, where both of these procedures were performed, and the needed follow-up tests and whatnot for organ rejection....he is a doornail.

FWIW. I do think that he is alive and well. In a nice little safehouse in Pakistan.

http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20041102-074506-4097r.htm

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/2/185700.shtml

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Osama dead of Typhoid?

What a happy, fun death! :D

Here's the original (in French) so someone who has better French than I can check it out: http://www.estrepublicain.fr/zoom/2006092300222348.html


Ive been saying this for quite a while now...

Osama likely died sometime in 03, possibly as early as 02.
Remember, he was a diabetic, and needed dialysis at least twice a week, becuase both his kidneys were shut down.
Unless he recieved a pancreas transplant, and a kidney transplant, he is most certainly dead.

Unless some of you folks believe he could have been living in some dank cave, with a dialysis machine....

The videos were all recorded before his death, to be released periodically, to make people believe he is still alive.

Has it ever been established definitively that he was in kidney failure or suffered diabetes? Everything I can find on it is speculative. This seems to be the most definitive sourse I can find: http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/a_binladen.htm

Several sources cite rumors he was dying of cancer in the late 1990s. I assume we can all agree he lived until at least 2001...

FWIW. I do think that he is alive and well. In a nice little safehouse in Pakistan.

http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20041102-074506-4097r.htm

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/2/185700.shtml

A safe house just wouldnt do it.

He cant live on dialysis forever.

He would have to be taken to the best medical facility in Pakistan for transplants.
Also, If Im not mistaken, Pancreas transplants are still fairly new and difficult procedures, and I ahve to wonder if any such medical facility in Pakistan is capable of performing one.

So..if he IS alive, it is because of direct aid from a foreign government, and one with access to high-tech medical facilities.
This is why I wont automatically dismiss your Pakistan theory.

But...I would like to note that your two sources both have seriously Conservative biases.

One is the Washington Post....(Moonie)
The other had a banner ad for Coulters new book, and a clicky ad with Bill O Reilly...

*RESPAWN!* http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/GermanNightmare/binladen.gif

Here's the original (in French) so someone who has better French than I can check it out: http://www.estrepublicain.fr/zoom/2006092300222348.html




Has it ever been established definitively that he was in kidney failure or suffered diabetes? Everything I can find on it is speculative. This seems to be the most definitive sourse I can find: http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/a_binladen.htm

Several sources cite rumors he was dying of cancer in the late 1990s. I assume we can all agree he lived until at least 2001...

I remember several news sources claiming his diabetes and kidney failure
Including all of the American ones, and the BBC.
I believe, (but cant produce any results) that a former doctor of his was interviewed, confirming the reports.

I'm sure Bush is going to discredit this report. Unless the U.S. kills him, we will say he is alive.

I remember several news sources claiming his diabetes and kidney failure
Including all of the American ones, and the BBC.
I believe, (but cant produce any results) that a former doctor of his was interviewed, confirming the reports.

I remember several reports that he allegedly had those problems. The diabetes reports, while speculative, are certainly more credible.

Have a trusty source handy?

A safe house just wouldnt do it.

He cant live on dialysis forever.

He would have to be taken to the best medical facility in Pakistan for transplants.
Also, If Im not mistaken, Pancreas transplants are still fairly new and difficult procedures, and I ahve to wonder if any such medical facility in Pakistan is capable of performing one.

So..if he IS alive, it is because of direct aid from a foreign government, and one with access to high-tech medical facilities.
This is why I wont automatically dismiss your Pakistan theory.

This assumes (as you do) that he was actually in kidney favor. I am not yet convinced. If he was simply diabeteic, he'd do fine in a safe house or cave And the "caves" (more accuartely bunkers) are more hospitible than you seem to paint them, at least to my understanding.

But...I would like to note that your two sources both have seriously Conservative biases.

One is the Washington Post....(Moonie)

The Washington Times, not Post. ;)


The other had a banner ad for Coulters new book, and a clicky ad with Bill O Reilly...

Already NewsMax.com is the leading online news site with a conservative perspective.
http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/8/15/115715.shtml

But...I would like to note that your two sources both have seriously Conservative biases.

One is the Washington Post....(Moonie)
The other had a banner ad for Coulters new book, and a clicky ad with Bill O Reilly...

I believe they are just reproducing the original from elsewhere. If you are arguing about credibility, you must do it against Borchgrave, not the websites which merely produce/reproduce his articles.

This guy is starting to remind me of Cane from Command & Conquer. Not even a fucking Ion Cannon to the face will stop him...

With the stuff going on over there these days, no, I doubt the story.

Pakistan's president has already told the world that Bush and Co. told him they'd bomb Pakistan back to the stone age if Pakistan didn't help the US. Bin Laden dieing in Pakistan would mean Pakistan harbored Bin Laden and, thus, the US could legitamitely make good on its threat.

I don't believe he's dead. I don't believe he's in Pakistan.

*waiting for the next installment of the Bin Laden Tapes to increase Republican support during the midterm elections.

No, he's not dead. If I can't see the body and the DNA evidence, he's alive and well and living in Palm Springs.

No, he's not dead. If I can't see the body and the DNA evidence, he's alive and well and living in Palm Springs.

*connects the dots...*

Holy crap, DK is Osama! Get him!!!


Wait, you do live in Palm Springs, right?

*connects the dots...*

Holy crap, DK is Osama! Get him!!!


Wait, you do live in Palm Springs, right?

*runs out the door*

apparwntly the dialysis machine story is horeshit

explain how he refers to current events (london bombings, football scores) in his video addresses?

arent all the references to current events in the audio addresses?

Hopefully he isnt dead. If he was then who would put America in its' place?

and the UK in its place?

I can't be convinced of his death until we find his corpse and feed it to a herd of swine.

You guys are all way off. I think it's pretty obvious he flew to the moon on a very crude rocket.

Personally, I suspect that bin Laden is kind of like Goldstein from 1984. He never existed in the first place, so he'll never die.

Personally, I suspect that bin Laden is kind of like Goldstein from 1984.

Sounds like you need a trip to Room 101.

Sounds like you need a trip to Room 101.

Oh, but I love big Broth-- um, I mean President Bush! :D

*waiting for the next installment of the Bin Laden Tapes to increase Republican support during the midterm elections.
Yes, so that the vast right wing conspiracy can then set up a (gasp!) theocracy, bug every American home, and raise the price of gasoline again, since Bush has personal control over all those OPEC countries and their pricing, like Iran and Venezuela. Not to mention create another 9/11, just like they created the first one, just to make things fun ... /end sarcasm.

Since when has America left a country in a better state than when they invaded? Sorry, "Liberated"
Ever heard of WWII and the Marshall Plan?

A safe house just wouldnt do it.

He cant live on dialysis forever.

He would have to be taken to the best medical facility in Pakistan for transplants.
Also, If Im not mistaken, Pancreas transplants are still fairly new and difficult procedures, and I ahve to wonder if any such medical facility in Pakistan is capable of performing one.

So..if he IS alive, it is because of direct aid from a foreign government, and one with access to high-tech medical facilities.
This is why I wont automatically dismiss your Pakistan theory.

But...I would like to note that your two sources both have seriously Conservative biases.

One is the Washington Post....(Moonie)
The other had a banner ad for Coulters new book, and a clicky ad with Bill O Reilly...
If not Pakistan, there's always Iran. I wouldn't be surprised if they saw a political gain in keeping him alive. There's also Saudi - he certainly has enough money and connections to get himself treated there and have the authorities turn a blind eye.

As for the sources, considering what's coming up in America in 50 days, I would hazard a guess that we'll be seeing more crap like this: unsubstantiated rumour being passed off as fact in the hope it will sway the public one way or the other.

Ever heard of WWII and the Marshall Plan?

The Marshall plan was no act of altruism. It purpose was to prevent Europe becoming communist and America being reduced to a second rate power.

I still maintain he lives in London or New York. Think about it, that's the last place folks are going to look. I know if I was on the run, I'd rather be facing the police than a great big army. Logic=fun.
Plus, all the videos I've seen he's inside, or the background looks like it could be a tarp.


yeah and anyone that does see him would be hesitant to call the police becasue they would be told they are only making the calim because he is muslim or of Arab decent

The Marshall plan was no act of altruism. It purpose was to prevent Europe becoming communist and America being reduced to a second rate power.

It still worked.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14963302/

Osama dead of Typhoid?

What a happy, fun death! :D

I'd love for him to just die of a diesease, and solve all of our problems pertaining to him.

Bummer he's dead again...whats this 20 or the 50 th time ..I lose track...

I'd love for him to just die of a diesease, and solve all of our problems pertaining to him.

Trichinosis would be fitting. ;)

How the hell can you get Typhoid in the middle of nowhere. I don't believe a word of it.

I'm sure Bush is going to discredit this report. Unless the U.S. kills him, we will say he is alive.

He wouldn't be able to use him as justification for all he has done otherwise.

The Marshall plan was no act of altruism. It purpose was to prevent Europe becoming communist and America being reduced to a second rate power.

America would never have become a second rate power to Russia.

Oh, but I love big Broth-- um, I mean President Bush! :D

You better watch what you say or the secret police will be knocking at your door.

Once again we are saved by the ultimate counter-terrorist:
http://img.sheezyart.com/art/medium/70/705446.jpg

If not Pakistan, there's always Iran. I wouldn't be surprised if they saw a political gain in keeping him alive.

Iran's Shi'ite identity, its revolutionary moorings etc are diametrically opposite to Osama and the modern salafi movement that he is a part of.

Although OBL has not yet explicitly taken on Iran, there is little room for accomodation for the Shias in the Salafi worldview. They too are kaffirs for committing shirk (idolatry - by worshipping the Imams, in the eyes of salafis). The only reason why OBL and co and Iran are not overtly at loggerheads is because both have got bigger fish to fry at this moment.

The taliban killed scores of shias during their reign, the ethnic Hazaras were killed in the thousands....people were just woken up from their beds, taken outside and shot in the head...even Iranian diplomats were killed by the taliban when they captured Kabul. Such is the hatred between these two groups.

Iran's Shi'ite identity, its revolutionary moorings etc are diametrically opposite to Osama and the modern salafi movement that he is a part of.

Although OBL has not yet explicitly taken on Iran, there is little room for accomodation for the Shias in the Salafi worldview. They too are kaffirs for committing shirk (idolatry - by worshipping the Imams, in the eyes of salafis). The only reason why OBL and co and Iran are not overtly at loggerheads is because both have got bigger fish to fry at this moment.

The taliban killed scores of shias during their reign, the ethnic Hazaras were killed in the thousands....people were just woken up from their beds, taken outside and shot in the head...even Iranian diplomats were killed by the taliban when they captured Kabul. Such is the hatred between these two groups.

I believe Al-Zarqawi said something like Shias were worse than Jews, Americans and other "infidels"

I believe Al-Zarqawi said something like Shias were worse than Jews, Americans and other "infidels"

The salafis are like the Nazis (no Godwin intended). Everybody thinks they are safe (the Americans, the Europeans, the Indians, the Chinese, the Shias etc..)...but in reality none are.

It's like the saying "First they came for the Jew, I was silent and then they came for the Commie, I was silent and then they came for....".

The point is that this salafi movement has to be identified for what it is and be defeated because as the saying goes...we are all in the same boat as far as the salafi is concerned.

You know that there is a loguical explanation for why some of the tapes refer to current events. He probably has a double agent who stepped up after he died. The illusion is far more powerful than the reality.

You know that there is a loguical explanation for why some of the tapes refer to current events. He probably has a double agent who stepped up after he died. The illusion is far more powerful than the reality.

You mean a "body double", I take it? I doubt his ego would allow him to believe he'd die, so I cannot see him making that kind of provision for the possibility.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andaluciae

I'd love for him to just die of a diesease, and solve all of our problems pertaining to him.


Trichinosis would be fitting.

Hear hear..! :)

Keep up the great work Loon (Iakeo here)..!!

My suggestion: The "West" should say to Al-Qaida, "PROVE that he's alive, otherwise we will simply assume that he is dead."

..then we act as if he were dead.

If they can't prove, to our satisfaction, that he's alive, he's de facto DEAD.

Then watch the cockroaches (islamofascists of the "Osama" stripe) run around being MAD that we think he's dead.

A great way to annoy an insect is to make them PROVE that they've "still got it", such as ripping off their legs and watching them try to "escape".

How annoying is it to not be able to prove (or have proven to you) that your "leader" exists, but still have to "believe" that your leader exists?

(( And YES,.. I *DO* put islamofascists in the same category as sub-human insects. ))


-Iakeo

I remember several reports that he allegedly had those problems. The diabetes reports, while speculative, are certainly more credible.

Have a trusty source handy?

Not a one, Im afraid.
Aside from the doctor's interview, who claims to have treated Bin Laden in the past, although I cant find anything about wich frickin network it was on....gr!

However, I dont think its much of a debate.
His huge family is quite accessable, and any pertinent medical information could probably be easily obtained from them.




This assumes (as you do) that he was actually in kidney favor. I am not yet convinced. If he was simply diabeteic, he'd do fine in a safe house or cave And the "caves" (more accuartely bunkers) are more hospitible than you seem to paint them, at least to my understanding.

If all he needed was insulin shots, he'd be fine in a bunker/cave...
If he needed dialysis, thats something else.



The Washington Times, not Post. ;)

Doh.

You know that there is a loguical explanation for why some of the tapes refer to current events. He probably has a double agent who stepped up after he died. The illusion is far more powerful than the reality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:OsamaTape1.jpg

Body double.

Definately.

If it's true that he needed organ transplants to live, he would still basically be fucked even if he got them.

Every cell in your body has a little protein signature on it that lets your white blood cells know not to kill it. Any foreign body that doesn't have that signature is fair game for your immune system to search and destroy. That includes transplanted organs. Anyone who gets a transplant has to go on immunosuppressant drugs to keep your own body from destroying the new organs... As the name suggests those drugs are an inevitable death sentence very much akin to AIDS. They just buy you time until something, sometimes even the slightest infection, kills you off.

So yeah, if it's true that he had problems years ago he's fucked one way or another

I'm sure Bush is going to discredit this report. Unless the U.S. kills him, we will say he is alive.
"We've been spreading typhoid in all of the surrounding areas - we thought he could be hiding in the mountains after that earthquake, so we filled the whole payload capacity of a B-52 with typhoid, and carpet-bombed the area.

That sorted him!"

if i was one of his loyal minions and the sheik went off and died on me, i secretly dispose of his body, so the west would never really be sure he was dead. sure a martyr's nice, but a legendary leader who will someday return and who can never be captured or defeated is priceless.


The condition Hitler was found in has certainly kept the Nazis hopeful all these long years as well as keeping a good number of other brands of cracpots busy making theories of Hitler and clones. Probably cost a small fortune to send Nazi hunters and spies out on wild goosestep chases because of mistaken Hitler sightings and rumours and lies.

Typhoid, eh? Not the nicest way to die ...

Certainly better than dysentery.

The Marshall plan was no act of altruism. It purpose was to prevent Europe becoming communist and America being reduced to a second rate power.

No, it wasn't.

Trichinosis would be fitting. ;)

Yes indeed.

How the hell can you get Typhoid in the middle of nowhere. I don't believe a word of it.

The Indian sub-continent has remained the most reported region of acquisition of typhoid; in particular India and Pakistan were the most reported countries since 1990.

http://www.nathnac.org/pro/factsheets/typhoid.htm

(Iakeo here)..!!

-Iakeo

You'd survive trying to get around your DOS longer if you didn't egoadvertise your existance.... ;)

Not a one, Im afraid.
Aside from the doctor's interview, who claims to have treated Bin Laden in the past, although I cant find anything about wich frickin network it was on....gr!

I feel your pain - that happens all the time when I hear or read a jucy tidbit and file it away for future usage.

However, I dont think its much of a debate.
His huge family is quite accessable, and any pertinent medical information could probably be easily obtained from them.

If all he needed was insulin shots, he'd be fine in a bunker/cave...
If he needed dialysis, thats something else.

Agreed. That he's able to release tapes and videos makes me suspicious of the kidney thing. A body double, as some are suggesting, is a possibility, but I remain unconvinced.

Doh.

Yep.
:D

And the latest:

France, US, unable to confirm report bin Laden dead
Sep 23, 3:12 PM (ET)

By Anna Willard and David Morgan

PARIS/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - France and the United States said on Saturday they could not confirm a report that Osama bin Laden had died and France launched a probe into how a secret document containing the claim was leaked.

French regional daily L'Est Republican, published in Nancy, quoted a document from France's DGSE foreign intelligence service as saying the Saudi secret services were convinced the al Qaeda leader had died of typhoid in Pakistan in late August.

Time magazine separately posted an article on its website citing an unidentified Saudi source, who claimed bin Laden was stricken with a water-borne disease and may already be dead.

President Jacques Chirac told reporters bin Laden's death "has not been confirmed in any way whatsoever, and so I have no comment to make."

"I was a bit surprised to see that a confidential note from the DGSE had been published," he said after a summit with leaders of Germany and Russia.

The Saudi Interior Ministry was not available for comment.

Officials in the United States, which has made capturing bin Laden a priority in its war on terrorism, were unable to confirm the account.

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told reporters in New York: "No comment, no knowledge," when asked about the French article. A U.S. intelligence source separately said Washington had no evidence this report was any more credible than earlier rumors of bin Laden's demise.

"We've heard these things before and have no reason to think this is any different," said the U.S. intelligence official, who asked not to be named.

"There's just nothing we can point to to say this report has any more credence than other reports we've seen in the past," the official said.

LEAK PROBE

In Paris, Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie ordered an investigation into the leak of the classified DGSE document.

L'Est Republican printed what it said was a copy of the report, dated September 21, and said it had been passed to Chirac and Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin the same day.

"According to a usually reliable source, the Saudi services are now convinced that Osama bin Laden is dead," it read.

"The information gathered by the Saudis indicates that the head of al Qaeda fell victim, while he was in Pakistan on August 23, 2006, to a very serious case of typhoid that led to a partial paralysis of his internal organs."

The report, which was stamped "defense confidential" and with the initials of the French secret service, said Saudi Arabia first heard the information on September 4 and was waiting for more details before making an official announcement.

Time magazine said its source claimed Saudi officials have received a number if reports in recent weeks that bin Laden had been struck by a water-borne illness and was likely dead, but had no solid proof.

"He is very ill. He got a water-related sickness and it could be terminal. There are a lot of serious facts about things that have actually happened. There is a lot to it. But we don't have any concrete information to say that he is dead," Time quoted the source as saying.

There was skepticism about whether Riyadh was well-placed to be the first to pick up on such a development.

"If anyone was in the picture, I doubt it would be Saudi intelligence," a Western diplomat in Riyadh said.

"Even if Saudi Arabia had information, they'd pass it on to the United States, not France. It doesn't ring true."

A senior Pakistani government official said Islamabad had received no information from any foreign government that would corroborate the story.

The Saudi-born bin Laden was based in Afghanistan until its Taliban government was overthrown by U.S.-backed forces after al Qaeda's September 11 attacks on the United States.

Since then, U.S. and Pakistani officials have regularly said they believe bin Laden is hiding somewhere on the rugged border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Bin Laden is rumored to have been suffering from kidney ailments and receiving dialysis treatment.

His last videotaped message was released in late 2004, but several low-quality audio tapes have been released this year.

Senior U.S. intelligence figures have cautioned against assuming that bin Laden's death or capture would automatically have a substantial impact in the war on terrorism.

They note that the death in June of al Qaeda's leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, has failed to lead to any let-up in the violence there.

(Additional reporting by Jon Boyle, Islamabad bureau, Mark Trevelyan in London, Paul Eckert in New York, Alister Bull in Washington, Andrew Hammond in Riyadh)
http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060923/2006-09-23T191241Z_01_L23793153_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-SECURITY-BINLADEN-DC.html

You'd survive trying to get around your DOS longer if you didn't egoadvertise your existance.... ;)

yeah seriously, that's just sad.

how long ago was that guy permabanned? going on years, yeah?

Is he dead? Oh that'd be swell. But I'll wait for confirmation, thank you very much.

yeah seriously, that's just sad.

how long ago was that guy permabanned? going on years, yeah?

2 and a half:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-370104.html

And everytime he comes back he egoadvertises himself... :headbang:

2 and a half:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-370104.html

And everytime he comes back he egoadvertises himself... :headbang:

jeebus - and here i thought it was kinda sad that i've been posting here for years now. but what sort of loser spends years trying to get back in to an internet forum he's been banned from?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14963302/

Osama dead of Typhoid?

What a happy, fun death! :D

blast i was hoping for cholera

Since when has America left a country in a better state than when they invaded? Sorry, "Liberated"

Germany, Japan come to mind.

Germany, Japan come to mind.

Only half of Germany.

Only half of Germany.

And a half assed job here in Japan.

no hes gone back home form were he came form
like in MIB

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14963302/

Osama dead of Typhoid?

What a happy, fun death! :D

Osama's ability to respawn exceeds that of even Star Trek characters.

How annoying is it to not be able to prove (or have proven to you) that your "leader" exists, but still have to "believe" that your leader exists?

Ask a Christian :p

But veering back on topic: Does it really matter if Osama is dead in the end? There are countless other people who could take his place. The US is fighting against a movement, not with a person.

2 and a half:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/archive/index.php/t-370104.html

And everytime he comes back he egoadvertises himself... :headbang:

You mean like this:

Backwoodssquatches here!

I just wanted to say that as cool as you may be, youre just not Backwoodssquatches, becuase Backwoodssquatches is by far the coolest of all the Backwoodssquatches that ever were!!

-Backwoodsquatches.

You mean like this:

Backwoodssquatches here!

I just wanted to say that as cool as you may be, youre just not Backwoodssquatches, becuase Backwoodssquatches is by far the coolest of all the Backwoodssquatches that ever were!!

-Backwoodsquatches.

Daistallia here!

Exactly so!

-Daistallia 2104

Germany, Japan come to mind.
One could conceivably argue that the US never invaded Japan itself, seeing how they surrendered before it came to that.

Agreed. That he's able to release tapes and videos makes me suspicious of the kidney thing. A body double, as some are suggesting, is a possibility, but I remain unconvinced.


I will admit that there are ocassions where I must forcefully resist the urge to put on a tin-foil hat, if you know what I mean...
I love a good conspiracy theory, and once in a while, my gut takes over, and I start thinking that ITS ALL TRUE!

So, I force myself to be skpetical of nearly everything.

BUT...

See if you can follow me.

Even if Osama isnt diebetic, hes in his fifties, and for several of it, in harsh climates, and war.
His health cant be the greatest.

Lets assume the diabetes things has some merit to it.

Without the needed transplants, hes dead.

His last videotape was 04.
In the link I posted above, clearly, this is not the same man.
The space between his ear, to his nose is a different length than one we know for certain IS Bin Laden, and the nose itself is longer.

This means that at LEAST one of the videos of him, is in fact, a Bin Laden look-alike.

The question is, when was the tape with the FALSE Osama taped?

Since then, all we have are audio recordings.

What if its not him again, and merely a sound-alike?
Someone doing a particularly good impression?

If he indeed died two or three years ago, it really wouldnt be hard to convince many people around the world, that thier poster-boy is alive and sending messages.

I believe this is the case.

Course...I cant prove a word of it.

-Backwoodssquatches.

You know that there is a loguical explanation for why some of the tapes refer to current events. He probably has a double agent who stepped up after he died. The illusion is far more powerful than the reality.

So what you're saying is.... Osama is the Dread Pirate Roberts!?

Trilby63;11724497']So what you're saying is.... Osama is the Dread Pirate Roberts!?

Good night Osama, good work.

I'll most likely kill you in the morning.

I wonder if it's too good to be true.:D

It dosen't really matter whether he is dead or alive

It dosen't really matter whether he is dead or alive
... what if he's neither?

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... what if he's neither?

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That would be an amazing scientific breakthrough but of course it would have to be verified...

Ive been saying this for quite a while now...

Osama likely died sometime in 03, possibly as early as 02.
Remember, he was a diabetic, and needed dialysis at least twice a week, becuase both his kidneys were shut down.
Unless he recieved a pancreas transplant, and a kidney transplant, he is most certainly dead.

Unless some of you folks believe he could have been living in some dank cave, with a dialysis machine....

The videos were all recorded before his death, to be released periodically, to make people believe he is still alive.

Your statement presupposes I ever believed he was ina dank cave--I dont believe that for a second. The man has too many people and too much money. Unless you believe the US and UK really shut down his financing but competance is not somethign I believe Western Governments are guilty of very often.