NationStates Jolt Archive

"But you don’t come into my country, you don’t come into my congressional district and you don’t condemn my president. If there’s any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans whether they voted for him or not. And I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other President, don’t come to the US and think because we have problems with our President, that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our chief of state."

Who do you think said this? Donald Rumsfeld? Dick Cheney? Who?

"But you don’t come into my country, you don’t come into my congressional district and you don’t condemn my president. If there’s any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans whether they voted for him or not. And I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other President, don’t come to the US and think because we have problems with our President, that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our chief of state."

Who do you think said this? Donald Rumsfeld? Dick Cheney? Who?

That'd be the democratic senator from new york who's name escapes me.

The servility is pathetic, but not surprising.

That'd be the democratic senator from new york who's name escapes me.

What is the name ... something with "anything to get elected" in the middle, I think. *sigh* If the Democratic Party doesn't grow a brain and nominate a decent candidate in 08, I may just give up.

Thank goodness we Americans have no history of imposing decisions on other countries.

nice concept, freedom of speach but only if you're an american.

Nobody said it. It's most likely blatant liberal lies and propaganda.

The UN isn't US territory. Free speech extends to all not only Americans.

Thank goodness we Americans have no history of imposing decisions on other countries.

Oh? So you're one of us, now?

If it was in reference to Chávez comments before the UN, technically Chávez was not in the US, or New York, or whatever district it is when he made those comments.

the third sentence in that quote is kinda hard to follow... maybe I'm just tired.

sleep deprivation plays games with your head.

The UN isn't US territory. Free speech extends to all not only Americans.

Well, certainly. I mean, we even had a "Hugo Chavez is a penis" thread earlier on NSG, if that's not free speech ... Hmm, NSG is hosted in the UK ... well, you know what I mean. Ah, politicians, just when you think they can't get sillier, one jumps out there and proves you wrong.

Nobody said it. It's most likely blatant liberal lies and propaganda.

Right..

It was said by Charles Rangel.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060921/21chavez.htm

That doesn't affect me. Thanks to the internet I can insult you USians and your damn president while sitting comfortably in my own home. ;)

If it was in reference to Chávez comments before the UN, technically Chávez was not in the US, or New York, or whatever district it is when he made those comments.

I believe that the quote was referencing comments made by Chavez during his tour of Harlem. Which is in New York, which is in the US.

Still a stupid thing to say though. Rangel just put himself on par with Chavez. Bunch of freaking morons.

Right..

It was said by Charles Rangel.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060921/21chavez.htm

uh...uh...LIES! LIES AND SLANDER! :rolleyes:

I sometimes cant stand my own country. We need our own TV show thats international

"America Says the Darndest Things"

Hit ratings people. Trust me.

I believe that the quote was referencing comments made by Chavez during his tour of Harlem. Which is in New York, which is in the US.

Still a stupid thing to say though. Rangel just put himself on par with Chavez. Bunch of freaking morons.

Ah, ok, I hadn't read about Chávez' little tour around Harlem. And, yeah, Rangel is basically saying that you can only criticize what goes on in your own country.

Ah, ok, I hadn't read about Chávez' little tour around Harlem. And, yeah, Rangel is basically saying that you can only criticize what goes on in your own country.

Like you said, he's an idiot. But I tend to expect that from pols'. Someting about being in office seems to completely wipe out a otherwise normal persons ethics and intelligence.

"But you don’t come into my country, you don’t come into my congressional district and you don’t condemn my president. If there’s any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans whether they voted for him or not. And I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Chavez or any other President, don’t come to the US and think because we have problems with our President, that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our chief of state."

Who do you think said this? Donald Rumsfeld? Dick Cheney? Who?

I don't know. I'll guess weird and say Senator Hillary Clinton.

EDIT: Guess I was wrong.

I don't know. I'll guess weird and say Senator Hillary Clinton.

EDIT: Guess I was wrong.

I gotta give kudos to Charley Rangel. Not another Democrat has been willing to say the same thing.

And he's right. Bush is our President to kick around.

I gotta give kudos to Charley Rangel.
For being a lickspittle?

Not another Democrat has been willing to say the same thing.
Well they are supposed to be in the opposition party. I know most Republicans like you wish the Democrats would shut up and support Bush on everything, and many of them do just that, but it's not the way it should work in a non-dictatorship.

And he's right. Bush is our President to kick around.
From now on can we expect absolutely no criticism of any foreign government from Myrmidonisia? That includes the government of France.

uh...uh...LIES! LIES AND SLANDER! :rolleyes:

Ah, so somebody did say it. Well, I wouldn't put it past liberals to take away our constitutional rights. I would think they'd go for the 2nd Amendment before the 1st, but I guess I was wrong. It's funny how some people think Bush is eroding our rights while liberals prance around saying that non-Americans should not be allowed to criticize our president (conservatives, on the other hand, insist that dissent is patriotic).

Well, certainly. I mean, we even had a "Hugo Chavez is a penis" thread earlier on NSG, if that's not free speech ... Hmm, NSG is hosted in the UK ... well, you know what I mean. Ah, politicians, just when you think they can't get sillier, one jumps out there and proves you wrong.

God i love politicians. I think they eat shit for breakfest lunch and dinner than spew it back up on TV.

From now on can we expect absolutely no criticism of any foreign government from Myrmidonisia? That includes the government of France.

Hitler and Stalin too. You can't criticize any foreign government there ever was, just to make it fair.

For being a lickspittle?


Well they are supposed to be in the opposition party. I know most Republicans like you wish the Democrats would shut up and support Bush on everything, and many of them do just that, but it's not the way it should work in a non-dictatorship.


From now on can we expect absolutely no criticism of any foreign government from Myrmidonisia? That includes the government of France.

You can be damned sure that I'm not going to go to France, Britian, or even your miserable little island and call the leader of that country a devil.

Ah, so somebody did say it. Well, I wouldn't put it past liberals to take away our constitutional rights. I would think they'd go for the 2nd Amendment before the 1st, but I guess I was wrong. It's funny how some people think Bush is eroding our rights while liberals prance around saying that non-Americans should not be allowed to criticize our president (conservatives, on the other hand, insist that dissent is patriotic).

I love how you never give up.

Get over yourself.

Ah, so somebody did say it. Well, I wouldn't put it past liberals to take away our constitutional rights. I would think they'd go for the 2nd Amendment before the 1st, but I guess I was wrong. It's funny how some people think Bush is eroding our rights while liberals prance around saying that non-Americans should not be allowed to criticize our president (conservatives, on the other hand, insist that dissent is patriotic).

Wow, what a way to generalize every liberal based on what one Democrat says.

RealAmerica is a fraud.

Wow, what a way to generalize every liberal based on what one Democrat says.

I loved it the way he first said it was liberal propaganda slandering an upright conservative politician, then when he found out a democrat said it he unquestioningly said that he was stating the opinion of all liberals. I think he can find a way to blame liberals for every bad thing that has ever happened.

Who do you think said this? Donald Rumsfeld? Dick Cheney? Who?

I don't really know, but it's some asshole, isn't it?

Ah, so somebody did say it. Well, I wouldn't put it past liberals to take away our constitutional rights. I would think they'd go for the 2nd Amendment before the 1st, but I guess I was wrong. It's funny how some people think Bush is eroding our rights while liberals prance around saying that non-Americans should not be allowed to criticize our president (conservatives, on the other hand, insist that dissent is patriotic).

Are you sure you have the parties right?
The only right any Democrats want to take away is the one detailed in the 2nd amendment, which also happens to be the only one that you can put up a decent arguement for taking away.
You'll notice that Republicans want to revoke most of the other nine amendments, remember they've got the flag-burning amendment, the whole gay-marriage thing, they were the racists in the 60's, they're anti-abortion, they're against enthunasia, they're (more) against public nudity, etc.
And I think that I've covered every single social issue in modern politics except for ID, where there happens to be no rights involved.
By the way, you guys are the guys insisting that Bush is God and anyone who hates him is a blasphemer. We're the ones who maintain that he's the devil and anyone who likes him is an idiot. It's not the other way around.

Oh? So you're one of us, now?Don't let my German citizenship distract you from my American one :p

I gotta give kudos to Charley Rangel. Not another Democrat has been willing to say the same thing.

And he's right. Bush is our President to kick around.Funny. Maybe now you'll realize that Democrats aren't leftists afterall...

Wow, what a way to generalize every liberal based on what one Democrat says.

No, I'm just saying that the support the liberals give to fellow liberals is at best misguided. They blame the evil Bush for taking away our 1st Amendment rights, yet the problem is much closer to home -- the solution advocated by the Democratic congressman is much more extreme than anything Bush has proposed. The same applies to the banning of weapons -- it is a much more serious curtailing of our civil liberties than anything Bush had done. How the hell are you supposed to defend your other rights without the 2nd Amendment? By throwing sticks at the government? Anyway, I'm not generalizing to all liberals the views of this particular nutcase.

RealAmerica is a fraud.I've been suspecting that for a long time now. As possible as it is that someone holds those beliefs, its just far more likely that its someone trying to make conservatives look bad behind every conservative troll.

No, I'm just saying that the support the liberals give to fellow liberals is at best misguided. They blame the evil Bush for taking away our 1st Amendment rights, yet the problem is much closer to home -- the solution advocated by the Democratic congressman is much more extreme than anything Bush has proposed. The same applies to the banning of weapons -- it is a much more serious curtailing of our civil liberties than anything Bush had done. How the hell are you supposed to defend your other rights without the 2nd Amendment? By throwing sticks at the government? Anyway, I'm not generalizing to all liberals the views of this particular nutcase.

I don't think putting some controls for weapons is a much worse problem than the violation of one's privacy or detaining people without any evidence.

liberals prance around saying that non-Americans should not be allowed to criticize our president
What liberal people said this? Remember, just because someone is a Democrat doesn't mean they're liberal.

You can be damned sure that I'm not going to go to France, Britian, or even your miserable little island and call the leader of that country a devil.
So it's OK to criticise from afar, but once you're in the country in question, free speech becomes non-existent for the visitor?

Did you actually think about what you said or did you just kneejerk to support someone who defends Bush?

even your miserable little island
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4020523.stm

Moron.

What liberal people said this? Remember, just because someone is a Democrat doesn't mean they're liberal.

However, if they are a liberal, that means they're a liberal. Look at the guy's voting record:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/R?d109:FLD004:@1(rep+rangel):

I've been suspecting that for a long time now. As possible as it is that someone holds those beliefs, its just far more likely that its someone trying to make conservatives look bad behind every conservative troll.

Exactement, mon brave.

Exactement, mon brave.

At the risk of sounding extremely stereotypical -- why the hell do liberals always resort to French much more than their conservative counterparts? And what the hell does "mon brave" mean?

At the risk of sounding extremely stereotypical -- why the hell do liberals always resort to French much more than their conservative counterparts? And what the hell does "mon brave" mean?Actually, I'd be loathe to be called a liberal. Dobbs is Canadian and probably learned French in school. I learned French in school. Maybe conservatives didn't learn French in school. I don't know. Just a hunch.

Actually, I'd be loathe to be called a liberal. Dobbs is Canadian and probably learned French in school. I learned French in school. Maybe conservatives didn't learn French in school. I don't know. Just a hunch.

I don't think any of them were willing to learn a second language in school.

I don't think any of them were willing to learn a second language in school.French is my third language.

French is my third language.

well... I don't really want to learn another language. It would really bore me.

Maybe it's because learning another language opens your mind up to other cultures & concepts?

Funny. Maybe now you'll realize that Democrats aren't leftists afterall...
Rangel is about as liberal as they come.

As we say in the South, even a blind pig can find a turnip once in a while.

And we have a long tradition of conservative Democrats, here in Georgia. So tell me something I don't know. Then wise up and realize that, in general, Democrats are leftists and liberals -- especially the ones in national office.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4020523.stm

Moron.

I know it really irritates you to see an American who is content with living here and generally supports our government officials above others. And I know it especially irritates you to see an American that doesn't want to emigrate to Canada, Europe, or that little rock near Great Britian, in spite of the results of a CNN poll. But you're just going to have to get used to it -- I'm not sure I could exist in the smugness that I see radiating from the place.

But you're just going to have to get used to it -- I'm not sure I could exist in the smugness that I see radiating from the place.You live in Georgia, right? Surrounded by christian conservatives? And you say you'd have problems with the smugness coming out of Europe? I've lived in the south most of my life, and I've never been around a group of more self-righteous, smug "you're going to hell and I'm gonna sit in heaven and enjoy the smell of your burning flesh" folks than southern religious conservatives.

I know it really irritates you to see an American who is content with living here and generally supports our government officials above others. And I know it especially irritates you to see an American that doesn't want to emigrate to Canada, Europe, or that little rock near Great Britian, in spite of the results of a CNN poll. But you're just going to have to get used to it -- I'm not sure I could exist in the smugness that I see radiating from the place.
I don't have a problem with Americans being happy where they are but I do have a problem with taking bullshit about my country, where, I might add, I am very happy to be living.

Your country is smug and arrogance central, why can't you see that?

You've already proven your own arrogance by refusing to admit that I proved you wrong about my country.

All may freely criticize because since 9/11 we are all American
:p

You live in Georgia, right? Surrounded by christian conservatives? And you say you'd have problems with the smugness coming out of Europe? I've lived in the south most of my life, and I've never been around a group of more self-righteous, smug "you're going to hell and I'm gonna sit in heaven and enjoy the smell of your burning flesh" folks than southern religious conservatives.

It's funny that you'd mention that. We don't know anyone that exudes Christianity to any degree. Last week, we had a little cookout with some of the neighbors and the subject of burning in hell didn't come up once. I think you may tend to find excessive Christianity because you look for it. The only time I ever see what you're describing is when the Jehovah's Witnesses come around. Then I have to tell them to get lost.