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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4799576.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4886542.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/20/nhonour20.xml


In Birmingham, no less.

Appalling. Really, really appalling. Too bad that the UK doesn't have the death penalty.

The little girl at left is six-year old Alisha Begum, whose family are of Bangladeshi origin. She was the victim of an arson attack at the family home on Friday, March 10 this year. The attack took place on Bayswater Road, Perry Barr, in Birmingham. Two men had broken into the house and thrown petrol accelerant into the building, setting it alight, and had then fled. The fire was so ferocious that the rest of the family who were in the house had to jump from an upstairs window to escape. Little Alisha was trapped in her bedroom in her bunk bed, where the flames were the most intense.

Alisha suffered from 95% to 100% burns, and died the following day at Birmingham Children’s Hospital. On Friday April 7, two men were charged with her murder.

Today, the Telegraph reports from the trial of the two men at Birmingham Crown Court. A 26-year old dentist, Hussein Ahmad, and 18-year old Daryll Tuzzio are being tried for one count of murder (that of Alisha Begum), and nine counts of attempted murder (the rest of the family).

Yesterday, the court was told by prosecutor Adrian Redgrave: “One hears of so-called honour killings though one may wonder how by any stretch of the imagination there can be any honour in what happened here, resulting in the death of a six-year-old child.”

“Hussain and his associates knew that at the house there was not only Abdul Hamid, and he was the one they were trying to get at, but they knew full well that there was a whole family living there.”

Just to get some perspective on this one. It is an Indian culture thing rather than a Muslim thing. Sad but true, Hindus, and to my shame Sikhs have and are also guilty of this type of behaviour.

Can you just stop the Muslim hating? Please?

Give it a goddamn rest already.

Horrible, they deserve all the weight of the law applied to them. However, this is not a proof that ALL islamists are that way, just as a clarification.

Just to get some perspective on this one. It is an Indian culture thing rather than a Muslim thing. Sad but true, Hindus, and to my shame Sikhs have and are also guilty of this type of behaviour.

actually its pretty common over much of the world sad fact really and its not just restricted to outside the western world some gangs also take part in honour killings

Can you just stop the Muslim hating? Please?

Its not hating to have a viewpoint and support it with stories of fact. Agree with it or dont, but do so with facts of your own. Telling someone to not post a supported opinion is going against the whole point of the forum. If you disagree with his post or his evidence im quite sure you know the appropriate way to do so.

Its not hating to have a viewpoint and support it with stories of fact. Agree with it or dont, but do so with facts of your own. Telling someone to not post a supported opinion is going against the whole point of the forum. If you disagree with his post or his evidence im quite sure you know the appropriate way to do so.

Erhm, he is asking, saying please. That is entirely allowed in my book. He is not "forbidding" anything to anyone.

Telling someone that you do not like his/her argument and have a different one is entirely pro the whole point of the forum.

Do you actually DO anything beyond searching for news stories like this?

Erhm, he is asking, saying please. That is entirely allowed in my book. He is not "forbidding" anything to anyone.


Ahh and the please is where in BackwoodsSquatches: Give it a goddamn rest already.

and a mere handful of posts later...NERVUN: Do you actually DO anything beyond searching for news stories like this?

Does anyone actually address issues anymore or just kneejerk bash people?

Um, is the religion of these two arsonists in some other article, because I can't find it in the three in the OP. I would like to know where you're getting the Muslim from, even if it is completely immaterial to the actual crime. After all, you wouldn't want to appear like you linked to this story to push some agenda against Muslims, would you?

Ahh and the please is where in BackwoodsSquatches: Give it a goddamn rest already.


Then you should had quoted BackwoodsSquatches ;)

Ahh and the please is where in BackwoodsSquatches: Give it a goddamn rest already.

and a mere handful of posts later...NERVUN: Do you actually DO anything beyond searching for news stories like this?

Does anyone actually address issues anymore or just kneejerk bash people?
Actually it's because without fail, DK digs up some story from somewhere about (possible) Muslims doing something bad and/or naughty, which he quickly turns into a sweeping statement about how all Muslims and Islam is teh 3V1L!!!!

We get the point already that he does not like Muslims, we don't need any more 'facts' to know he doesn't like Muslims. He's proved that point many times now.

I wouldnt have a problem with this or any other kind of thread involving a negative view of any religion, if this wasnt one of dozens of threads made by DK, on this very subject.

What looks like "a knee-jerk reaction" is a statement made becuase this is the only kind of thread he makes.
We get it...he hates Muslims, and considers them all dirt terrorists, and believes all Muslims are fundamentalists.....

Ive had enough.

Hes not interested in honest debate about the merits and evils of Islam.
All he's doing anymore is posting his opinion of bigotry.

However, this is not a proof that ALL islamists are that way, just as a clarification.

I have asked this several times now and the question despite its importance goes unanswered. what % of Muslims ARE militant and more importantly what % support the militant groups indirectly? Everyone says its a minority of people and we accept this as gospel. But do we statistically know this or do we just assume this? And what is the percentage? 1% 38%? Seems to me this is a huge and very important question.

According to the sources, the little girl wasn't actually the target, nor does murder seem to be the intention. So this isn't actually an honour killing, its just a killing.

Oh... well that makes it ok then.

To think I was getting upset and all... :rolleyes:

It's, for lack of a better word, arson, regardless of whether the guy was a muslim or not. Indeed, if you went through British or American criminal records you'd be able to find plenty of religions under the 'arson' section.

And, for anyone who's actually interested in facts and not hearsay and bashing, there's nothing in any of the three sources that actually says the two 'asian' men are muslims.

Me? I hope they get life, if they are proved guilty. If I was feeling utopian and optimistic, Labour might build some jails, not let them out early and run jails like jails and not hotels. But what chance is that...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4799576.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4886542.stm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/20/nhonour20.xml

In Birmingham, no less.

Appalling. Really, really appalling. Too bad that the UK doesn't have the death penalty.
What is even more sad then that?

YOU!!

You would fry ALL the children of Islam with nuclear weapons, and their parents. :eek:

Certainly no honour in that!!

Go away troll!!

I have asked this several times now and the question despite its importance goes unanswered. what % of Muslims ARE militant and more importantly what % support the militant groups indirectly? Everyone says its a minority of people and we accept this as gospel. But do we statistically know this or do we just assume this? And what is the percentage? 1% 38%? Seems to me this is a huge and very important question.
No one knows, or at least I have not found any credible source to give a good number (Found many blogs, but most of their numbers are highly suspect at the very least).

We assume it's a small percentage based upon the idea that there are currently well over 1 billion Muslims in the world, it is the fastest growing religion out there after all. But while these attacks are horrific, they are done by very few people. If it was a significant population, terrorism wouldn't be their weapon, armies would.

I have asked this several times now and the question despite its importance goes unanswered. what % of Muslims ARE militant and more importantly what % support the militant groups indirectly? Everyone says its a minority of people and we accept this as gospel. But do we statistically know this or do we just assume this? And what is the percentage? 1% 38%? Seems to me this is a huge and very important question.
And you are off topic. :p

What is the topic?

Is this supposed to discuss a rising prevalence of honour killings in the UK?

Is this about the death penalty?

In Birmingham, no less.

Appalling. Really, really appalling. Too bad that the UK doesn't have the death penalty.

Not much to go on here. Perhaps we could simply shelve this as spam, as no issue has actually been brought up for debate.

Um, is the religion of these two arsonists in some other article, because I can't find it in the three in the OP. I would like to know where you're getting the Muslim from, even if it is completely immaterial to the actual crime. After all, you wouldn't want to appear like you linked to this story to push some agenda against Muslims, would you?
Quoted for the truth. And topic closed