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i was listening to someone speak and this person mentioned that there are people that have such a disliking towards our president (the USA, as in President Bush) that they do not want to see him succeed in Iraq or anything pretty much. they would prefer the UNited States to fail in their current mission then to see Bush have a success.

yea, there are.

If the hate is that intense, then they'll want negative things for the president.

Now THAT is fucked up. I can see hating the president and all that, but if we fail in Iraq now then it's more than just Bush's ass. It's innocent people too (keyword INNOCENT).

Sure there are, just like there are those who think Elvis is still alive and that he lives with Bigfoot. And I'll bet they're in pretty similar numbers, despite what various pundits and ideologues say.

Republicans and Democrats like to take ridiculous things that a tiny number of people on the other side say and pretend as though a large number of them secretly believe that.

I find it finny that you seem to think 'success' in Iraq is even possible. BTW, how do you define success in Iraq? Right now it seems the only thing we can do right for the iraqi people is to leave... After all, the main reason for going in turned out to be a fallacy, I suppose that could count as a failure?

After all, the main reason for going in turned out to be a fallacy, I suppose that could count as a failure?

Like if anyone in the world ever really believed that.

i was listening to someone speak and this person mentioned that there are people that have such a disliking towards our president (the USA, as in President Bush) that they do not want to see him succeed in Iraq or anything pretty much. they would prefer the UNited States to fail in their current mission then to see Bush have a success.
The only people I've heard say this are Sean Hanedy(sp?) and Rush Limbaugh and their like. They keep saying there are people out there like that but I've never heard anyone in opposition say anything close. It's one of those "rally the troops" statements the far right throws out.

There are people who hate him so much they want to kill him. Some have even tried. There are also those who hate him so much that they spin this big conspiracy theories about rigged elections and 9/11 being a setup and Bush being a Nazi spy and a whole bunch of other stuff. It's sad that so many are so deluded by their hatred of one man, so bitter about the past that they can't move on and live their lives.

i was listening to someone speak and this person mentioned that there are people that have such a disliking towards our president (the USA, as in President Bush) that they do not want to see him succeed in Iraq or anything pretty much. they would prefer the UNited States to fail in their current mission then to see Bush have a success.

The current mission in Iraq was to find weapons of mass destruction. Not the liberation of the Iraqi people, not the stabilising of the country, not the capture of Saddam Hussein. Safe to say it was a failure, though Bush is doing a nice job distracting people from that. Sofar by messing up even more, but hey. He still has a chance.

i was listening to someone speak and this person mentioned that there are people that have such a disliking towards our president (the USA, as in President Bush) that they do not want to see him succeed in Iraq or anything pretty much. they would prefer the UNited States to fail in their current mission then to see Bush have a success.

i hate bush and i want the united states to lose humiliatingly in iraq. however, the two ideas are only tangentially related.

There are people who hate him so much they want to kill him. Some have even tried.

names? or are you talking about the general background level of non-serious or just plain stupid threats?

There was that guy with that dud grenade. I didn't bother to remember his name. Most, if not all, are just morons that never get anywhere with it though.

I do not support the success of any mission to subjugate the Iraqi people or to acquire greater control over Iraq's resources.

I do not support the success of any attempt to bring Iraq under religious fundamentalist rule.

I support all genuine popularly-based attempts to establish secular democracy with real self-determination in Iraq.

None of the above has any direct connection to any opinion of mine concerning the criminal gang, or any members thereof, that rules this country.

names? or are you talking about the general background level of non-serious or just plain stupid threats?
Well, there was that time that someone sabotaged Bush's segway and then tried to slip him that Mega-Doomer Death Pretzel Mk VII.

There was that guy with that dud grenade. I didn't bother to remember his name.

the dude in georgia?! whose grenade was more than 60 feet from presidents mikhail saakashvili and bush, who were behind bulletproof glass? whose motive, as far as i know, is still unclear?

i don't think that really counts.

I didn't say that these were good attempts, just that there've been attempts. Tossing a live (but not active) grenade at somebody could get you tossed in jail for attempted murder in the states. Hell, I was almost arrested once for saying the word Tuesday. True story. The point is that there are some on a fringe of a fringe that're actually trying. It's been that way since long before Bush. There will always be some nut trying to do in the prez.

i was listening to someone speak and this person mentioned that there are people that have such a disliking towards our president (the USA, as in President Bush) that they do not want to see him succeed in Iraq or anything pretty much. they would prefer the UNited States to fail in their current mission then to see Bush have a success.If he isn't as vacant as he appears, then I want nothing but misery for the man. I do not want it to happen at anyone else's expense though. Unfortunately, that success in Iraq sounds a bit too much like a childish superstition these days.

Given that Cindy Sheehan admits in her book "Peace Mom" (page 29) that she has a Terminator-esque fantasy where she goes back in time to murder an infant W, I'd say yes. Most people that want someone dead really don't want to see them succeed at anything.

http://www.redstatesusa.com/archives/2006/09/kill-bush_mania.html