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Are you a Now or a Later?

Rhaomi
21-09-2006, 00:19
Would you want to live in this world? Would you be a Now or a Later? Why? Read this short story, then decide. (Don't be lazy, it's only 8 paragraphs :p)

Suppose that people live forever.

Strangely, the world's population splits in two: the Laters and the Nows.

The Laters reason that there is no hurry to begin their classes at the university, to learn a second language, to read Voltaire or Newton, to seek promotion in their jobs, to fall in love, to raise a family. In endless time, all things can be accomplished. Thus all things can wait. Indeed, hasty actions breed mistakes. And who can argue with their logic? The Laters can be recognized in any shop or promenade. They walk an easy gait and wear loose-fitting clothes.They take pleasure in reading whatever magazines are open or rearranging furniture in their homes, or slipping into conversation the way a leaf falls from a tree. The Laters sit in cafes sipping coffee and discussing the possibilities of life.

The Nows note that with infinite lives, they can do all they can imagine. They will have an infinite number of careers, they will marry an infinite number of times, they will change their politics infinitely. Each person will be a lawyer, a bricklayer, a writer, an accountant, a painter, a physician, a farmer. The Nows are constantly reading new books, studying new trades, new languages. In order to taste the infinities of life, they begin early and never go slowly. And who can question their logic? The Nows are easily spotted. They are the owners of the cafes, the college professors, the doctors and nurses, the politicians, the people who rock their legs constantly whenever they sit down.

They move through a succession of lives, eager to miss nothing. When two Nows chance to meet at a fountain plaza, they compare the lives they have mastered, exchange information, and glance at their watches. When two Laters meet at the same location, they ponder the future and follow the parabola of the water with their eyes.

The Nows and Laters have one thing in common: with infinite life comes an infinite list of relatives. Grandparents never die, nor do great-grandparents, great-aunts and great-uncles, great-great-aunts, and so on, back through the generations, all alive and offering advice. Sons never escape from the shadows of their fathers. Nor do daughters of their mothers. No one ever comes into his own.

When a man starts a business, he feels compelled to talk it over with his parents and grandparents and great-grandparents, ad infinitum, to learn from their errors. For no new enterprise is new. All things have been attempted by some antecedent in the family tree. Indeed, all things have been accomplished. But at a price. For in such a world, the multiplication of achievements is partly divided by the diminishment of ambition.

And when a daughter wants guidance from her mother, she cannot get it undiluted. Her mother must ask her mother, who must ask her mother, and so on forever. Just as sons and daughters cannot make decisions themselves, they cannot turn to parents for confident advice. Parents are not the source of certainty. There are one million sources.

Where every action must be verified one million times, life is tentative. Bridges thrust halfway over rivers and then abruptly stop. Buildings rise nine stories high but have no roofs. The grocer's stocks of ginger, salt, cod, and beef change with every change of mind, every consultation. Sentences go unfinished. Engagements end just days before weddings. And on the avenues and streets, people turn their heads and peer behind their backs, to see who might be watching.

Such is the cost of immortality. No person is whole. No person is free. Over time, some have determined that the only way to live is to die. In death, a man or a woman is free of the weight of the past. These few souls, with their dear relatives looking on, dive into lakes or hurl themselves from mountains, ending their infinite lives. In this way, the finite has conquered the infinite, millions of autumns have yielded to no autumns, millions of snowfalls have yielded to no snowfalls, millions of admonitions have yielded to none.
Ashmoria
21-09-2006, 00:26
i think id start out as a now and end up as a later.

it would be great to know that you have time to do everything on your list but once you do them all, whats the point of striving?

i might like to live 200 healthy years but i dont want to live forever. it seems like it would end up terribly boring.
Call to power
21-09-2006, 00:32
I'd say I'm a later I would rather live my life at my own pace I would most likely do about 400 years before I commit suicide (at least that would be my plan anyways) and hopefully leave just one widow and allot of children

So no change from my life right now apart from the fact that I would have to choose when to die scary thought that having to choose to die
Holyawesomeness
21-09-2006, 00:43
A now, I want to get stuff done and the best purpose of infinite life is to increase my ability. I tend to disagree with that thing about advice though as it is not like everyone must consult another person, they would only do it to get more information and if it ended up being as costly as is in the story then they wouldn't do it. I mean, if it will take me a long time to get the information then it will not be worth the time paid and I think most people can recognize this for themselves. It can be better to make imperfect decisions in less time than to make perfect decisions using a lot of time.
Potarius
21-09-2006, 00:49
I'm more of a "Don't Give A Shit/Choose Own Path" kind of person.

And no, I didn't read the fricking story. Not that I'm lazy or anything; I just don't want to. :p
Swabians
21-09-2006, 00:53
Definitely a now. I'd love to have an infinite amount of time to do the things I want( as long as I stay forever physically young). Eventually though, I'd set off a war I could go be killed in, just to stir things up a bit.
RealAmerica
21-09-2006, 01:09
Later. I see no practical benefit in doing now what can be done later.
Jello Biafra
21-09-2006, 01:10
Something between a now and a later.
[NS]Fergi America
21-09-2006, 01:10
I'd be a Later, for most things. Just like I am currently. Haste makes waste and all that--and with infinite time, there's absolutely no excuse left for rushing through things without taking the time to do them right. That's not to say that nothing ever gets done, it's just not done in any pointless hurry.

The story seems to insinuate that a Later would never own the cafe. That's a wrong assumption. The Later would get around to it, and when that happens, it'll be the best cafe in the town because all the details will have been properly worked out and attended to. Note that when I say "properly" I do not mean consulting some ridiculous amount of people, or waffling about indecisively! I just mean that things wouldn't be rushed through haphazardly.

The Now is the one who'd slap up a sign, and then give up and close shop after 6 months when customers didn't magically beat his door down--never giving it the attention it needs nor a chance to become a solid business.

That said--I wholeheartedly disagree with the predicted outcome the story supposes! People won't want to live/work in roofless, rain-soaked, 9-story buildings or end up driving off half-done bridges any more than they do now. Avoiding such suckage would continue to be a motivator--it's pretty much a basal drive.

As for all the relative-consulting, I don't expect that'd happen with anyone except those who already overconsult as it is. I think most people don't go and consult ALL their living relatives about everything (or even most things) as it is; I'm sure they'd go on making decisions without including some ridiculous amount of ancestors into the process if they had an infinite number of them.

I suppose that some would get bogged down--probably those people who have family reunions with 300 people attending--but there are plenty who make their own decisions and wouldn't change that one bit if there were more living family members.

The only real bad outcome I can see in immortality is that social change, on the societal level, would almost certainly be slowed way down since the old fogies would continue to have political influence forever.

That societal/political ossification is a price I'm quite willing to pay to avoid death. Bring on the immortality!
Whereyouthinkyougoing
21-09-2006, 01:16
Oh boy, I'm such a Later in this life already, I can't even imagine how much of a Later I'd be if I really would live forever. >.<
Ginnoria
21-09-2006, 02:03
I'm soft n chewy. I'm a Later.
New Stalinberg
21-09-2006, 02:19
Yuck, I'm more of a Mike N' Ike fan myself.
Infinite Revolution
21-09-2006, 02:25
i'm a later, i like my leisure time. and i like drinking. you can't do stuff now if you're drunk.