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Ok so i read this article online that said Chavez the president of Venezueala ,sorry if i spelled it wrong and i believe it was Venezueala, called Bush the devil and claimed Bush was some kind of phyocotic maniac planning to take over the world. Yet last i checked this guy supports a bunch of dictators like Iran I was wondering what people thought about this.

Me I dont like Bush I don't think he should be president, but I hardly think he is the devil. And quite frankly even though I dont like him in office I am offended he is being called evil by these morons. When look at what they are doing. Ya once again America is accussed of planing to take over the world by extremists.:mp5:

Ok so i read this article online that said Chavez the president of Venezueala ,sorry if i spelled it wrong and i believe it was Venezueala, called Bush the devil and claimed Bush was some kind of phyocotic maniac planning to take over the world. Yet last i checked this guy supports a bunch of dictators like Iran I was wondering what people thought about this.

Me I dont like Bush I don't think he should be president, but I hardly think he is the devil. And quite frankly even though I dont like him in office I am offended he is being called evil by these morons. When look at what they are doing. Ya once again America is accussed of planing to take over the world by extremists.:mp5:

http://limewoody.wordpress.com/files/2006/03/aw_jeez_not_this_shit_again2.jpg

Chavez is just a piss poor dictator who is using the US as a straw man to take attention away from the skyrocketing crime rates and the bad economy caused by his policy changes.

Dont worry about him.

No, President Chavez was just quoting a 14th Century text by an old philosopher on 'why President Bush is more evil than Satan'. He didn't actually mean it.

http://limewoody.wordpress.com/files/2006/03/aw_jeez_not_this_shit_again2.jpg

lol:headbang:

I say this is a complete solid proof that we should all convert to praying to the holy pasta monster. or was it spaghetti?

No, President Chavez was just quoting a 14th Century text by an old philosopher on 'why President Bush is more evil than Satan'. He didn't actually mean it.

If he didnt actually mean it than the media should do a much better job because the article i read acted like he was entirely serious,

I say this is a complete solid proof that we should all convert to praying to the holy pasta monster. or was it spaghetti?

Spaghetti, you pagan!

:eek: I knew it!!:

http://www.elcantabroperplejo.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/bush_devil.gif

:p

Spaghetti, you pagan!

I'm more of a noodle guy...

No, President Chavez was just quoting a 14th Century text by an old philosopher on 'why President Bush is more evil than Satan'. He didn't actually mean it.

You win.

And the "OMG Chavez said something stupid about Bush" threads are kinda getting old. I mean come on, this thing, it's Chavez's shtick. I still like the guy. (Oh and for the record, he's not a dictator. Dictators must seize power illegally. Chavez has been elected both times, which is perfectly in line with Venesuela's political process.)

Bush is Jesus

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7933/sacredheartofbushwn2.jpg

Lesson One from the Hugo Chavez school of making everyone think you're a complete lunatic - Call the Presidente of the United States the Devil in an official statement to the UN.

Seriously, this guy is insane.

Ahmindinnerjacket of Iran is convinced that he is the new Messiah (he claims to have transfixed the audience at his UN speech last year and his followers claim to have seen a 'holy glow' surround him). Now George Bush is the Devil. You couldn't make this shit up if you tried.

Just MOAB the bastards, that'll sort them out.

If he didnt actually mean it than the media should do a much better job because the article i read acted like he was entirely serious,

I believe you missed the sarcasm in his post. Of course Chavez meant it. But it is just rhetoric to be ignored.

Bush is Jesus

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7933/sacredheartofbushwn2.jpg

Heresy! The pope has turned against us! :eek:

i watched chavez give his speech, it was humorous.

he called americans terrorist a number of times. he attacked the role of the US in the UN. and some other stuff. he used his speech to basicly preach his mesage of America = Evil. thats pretty much all his speech was about.

i may be mistaken about this, but do you think it is a wise idea to insult the nation/ people of the nation that you are currently a guest in?

Bush is Jesus

The Pope has spoken. *nods*

<sniptastic>



Heresy! :eek:

I'm the pope. I'll decide what's heresy and what's not.

Bush is Jesus



this picture not only wins the thread, but every thread in NSG. :D

The Pope has spoken. *nods*

Thanks. Wanna be a saint?

I don't think Bush is the devil. Heck, I don't believe in the devil. It's a Judeo/Christian/Islamic construct and I'm none of those.

But if I DID believe... I still wouldn't think Bush was the devil. He's too stupid to be that cunning and evil. Much like Jacob Zuma. In fact, Jacob Zuma, George Bush and Manto Tshabalala-Msimang could run the Idiot People's Utopia.

Sorry for those who have no idea who I'm talking about... local politics man... woot.:headbang:

You win.

And the "OMG Chavez said something stupid about Bush" threads are kinda getting old. I mean come on, this thing, it's Chavez's shtick. I still like the guy. (Oh and for the record, he's not a dictator. Dictators must seize power illegally. Chavez has been elected both times, which is perfectly in line with Venesuela's political process.)

For the record, dictators do NOT always seize power illegally. Hitler took power perfectly legally in Germany, are you arguing that he wasn't a dictator?Chavez is trying desperately to maintain power for life, and will be having a referendum on that exact subject very soon, which no doubt he will rig. He has been accused more than once of widespread voter intimidation and electoral fraud and led an attempted violent coup back in the early 1990's.

We'll also gloss over the fact that under Chavez, Venezuala's economy has gone down the toilet, the people are poor, the public services are a joke and their economic policies look like they were written by threee-year-olds.

Thanks. Wanna be a saint?

Can I make appearances in tortillas and trees and such?

Hitler took power perfectly legally in Germany, are you arguing that he wasn't a dictator?Chavez is trying desperately to maintain power for life

GODWIN!

This thread's over.

Can I make appearances in tortillas and trees and such?

Yes. That's a standard part of the job.

Chavez is just a piss poor dictator who is using the US as a straw man to take attention away from the skyrocketing crime rates and the bad economy caused by his policy changes.

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he is a dictator how?

Ok so i read this article online that said Chavez the president of Venezueala ,sorry if i spelled it wrong and i believe it was Venezueala, called Bush the devil and claimed Bush was some kind of phyocotic maniac planning to take over the world. Yet last i checked this guy supports a bunch of dictators like Iran I was wondering what people thought about this.
I dont think the conduct of Chavez has any bearing on whether or not the identity of Bush and the devil are the same, nor on whether Bush is a phsycotic maniac, nor whether or not Bush is planning to take over the world.

Me I dont like Bush I don't think he should be president, but I hardly think he is the devil.
I dont even hardly think he's the devil. Surely if there is a devil he/she/it is a snappier dresser...

And quite frankly even though I dont like him in office I am offended he is being called evil by these morons.
I find that a nonsensical position.

When look at what they are doing.
It doesnt have any particular bearing on the value (be it negative or positive) of Bush's conduct.

Ya once again America is accussed of planing to take over the world by extremists.:mp5:
Hang on, I thought you said it was Bush that was being accused...

I really dont see the point of worrying over who said these things, surely what is more relevent is the truth value of the statements. If what is said is true, then I dont know why it having been said by morons somehow effects the degree to which it is offensive, equally if it's not true, I dont see that it would be somehow non-offensive if asserted by non-morons....

Yes. That's a standard part of the job.

Awesome! I'm in ... do I have to die?

For the record, dictators do NOT always seize power illegally. Hitler took power perfectly legally in Germany, are you arguing that he wasn't a dictator?Chavez is trying desperately to maintain power for life, and will be having a referendum on that exact subject very soon, which no doubt he will rig. He has been accused more than once of widespread voter intimidation and electoral fraud and led an attempted violent coup back in the early 1990's.

We'll also gloss over the fact that under Chavez, Venezuala's economy has gone down the toilet, the people are poor, the public services are a joke and their economic policies look like they were written by threee-year-olds.

Having done this before and remembering the hours of pointless argument about Venesuela's economy, and not having that kind of time, I will not debate whether Chavez's economic policies are poor. I say they are not, based on the data I've seen, but don't ask me to back it up because I will not get bogged down in that again.

Hitler's taking of power was not perfectly legal. The Reichstag passed a bill, the Enabling Act, that allowed Hitler and his cabinet to circumvent the consitution and the legislature. That's illegal on it's face, even if it was passed with parliamentary approval.

For the record, dictators do NOT always seize power illegally. Hitler took power perfectly legally in Germany, are you arguing that he wasn't a dictator?Chavez is trying desperately to maintain power for life, and will be having a referendum on that exact subject very soon, which no doubt he will rig. He has been accused more than once of widespread voter intimidation and electoral fraud and led an attempted violent coup back in the early 1990's.

We'll also gloss over the fact that under Chavez, Venezuala's economy has gone down the toilet, the people are poor, the public services are a joke and their economic policies look like they were written by threee-year-olds.

Links please!

I'm the pope. I'll decide what's heresy and what's not.

Ah. We gave you papal infallability? I don't recall that.

Bush is Jesus

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7933/sacredheartofbushwn2.jpg
TIME FOR THE REFORMATION!

Down with the pope!

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everyone have their prayer rugs (http://www.spongobongo.com/ns/ns9963.htm)?:upyours:

All you Bush haters must want your women to have to wear burqas (http://www.alhannah.com/cgi-bin/avg?a;niqab).:headbang:

As for me, I prefer my women in bikinis (http://www.berrydog.com/).;)

everyone have their prayer rugs (http://www.spongobongo.com/ns/ns9963.htm)?:upyours:

All you Bush haters must want your women to have to wear burqas (http://www.alhannah.com/cgi-bin/avg?a;niqab).:headbang:

As for me, I prefer my women in bikinis (http://www.berrydog.com/).;)

Ah yes, the required Muslim hater and blind Bush supporter. I suppose you do have to make an appearance.

everyone have their prayer rugs (http://www.spongobongo.com/ns/ns9963.htm)?:upyours:

All you Bush haters must want your women to have to wear burqas (http://www.alhannah.com/cgi-bin/avg?a;niqab).:headbang:

As for me, I prefer my women in bikinis (http://www.berrydog.com/).;)

I'm not interested in following Islamofascists or Christofascists. No prayer rugs or faith based initiatives for me thanks anyway.

everyone have their prayer rugs (http://www.spongobongo.com/ns/ns9963.htm)?:upyours:

All you Bush haters must want your women to have to wear burqas (http://www.alhannah.com/cgi-bin/avg?a;niqab).:headbang:

As for me, I prefer my women in bikinis (http://www.berrydog.com/).;)

What does Chavez, a venezuelan (south America) christian have to do with persian rugs and Muslim burqas?

As for me, I prefer my women naked.

I believe you missed the sarcasm in his post. Of course Chavez meant it. But it is just rhetoric to be ignored.:

Kind of hard to pick up sarcasm in Text which is why i asked.

I say this is a complete solid proof that we should all convert to praying to the holy pasta monster. or was it spaghetti?

another reason!

http://geek.upwardthrust.us/pictures/fsm.jpg

No [...] faith based initiatives for me
Then why exactly are you the NSG-pope, eh? And why did you promote Jesus W. Christ?!?

I dont think the conduct of Chavez has any bearing on whether or not the identity of Bush and the devil are the same, nor on whether Bush is a phsycotic maniac, nor whether or not Bush is planning to take over the world.


I dont even hardly think he's the devil. Surely if there is a devil he/she/it is a snappier dresser...

I find that a nonsensical position.


It doesnt have any particular bearing on the value (be it negative or positive) of Bush's conduct.


Hang on, I thought you said it was Bush that was being accused...

I really dont see the point of worrying over who said these things, surely what is more relevent is the truth value of the statements. If what is said is true, then I dont know why it having been said by morons somehow effects the degree to which it is offensive, equally if it's not true, I dont see that it would be somehow non-offensive if asserted by non-morons....

ok Where to start. Well its not a nonsensical position it was an attack on my country. Granted i dont like Bush. but with bush he was trying to label everyone in my country, that includes me buddy as evil and servants of the devil, although being the servant of the devil sounds kind of fun well i think i will pass considering i dont even believe in religon.

You clearly got my message wrong. probably my fault i worded it wrong. He was attacking America including Bush. that is what really offended me his attacks on America not Bush. He was trying to say because Bush is our leader all of us our Evil. Also i think bush is stupid and thats why hes not fit to be president not because he is evil and i was merely commenting on how i think its funny how a person like him, who supports people who are clearly evil IRAN could possibly have the right to call some one the devil.

everyone have their prayer rugs (http://www.spongobongo.com/ns/ns9963.htm)?:upyours:

All you Bush haters must want your women to have to wear burqas (http://www.alhannah.com/cgi-bin/avg?a;niqab).:headbang:

As for me, I prefer my women in bikinis (http://www.berrydog.com/).;)

Ok no one is saying the fundamentilist terrorists are right because they dont like Bush. There are more than two sides in any argument to think other wise is stupid. Yet i remember some one saying something like that when he said :upyours: "if your not with us your against us" just because you dont support Bush and his policies doesnt mean you like Fumdamentilist muslims or you feel nothing should be done about the problem. What it means AHem is that you dissagree with the bullshit means bush is going about solving the problem.

Then why exactly are you the NSG-pope, eh? And why did you promote Jesus W. Christ?!?

I'm pope because the NS cardinals elected me. I'm not promoting Jesus W. Christ, I'm just posting funny pictures.

What, all clergy are supposed to celebrate the violation of the establishment clause by Bush's faith based initiatives?

Spaghetti, you pagan!

Heathen!!!!!!! :p

Awesome! I'm in ... do I have to die?

You shall all die when I, Chosen Prophet of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, brings the divine judgment of His Noodly Appendage down upon you.

Kind of hard to pick up sarcasm in Text which is why i asked.

It is like someone posting that Bush is the best president this country has ever had. Must be sarcasm. No other explination is possible.

It is like someone posting that Bush is the best president this country has ever had. Must be sarcasm. No other explination is possible.

Lol did you even read what i said i never said that crap. READ MY TEXT i dont like Bush i was upset by Chavez attack on America which labels us all as EVIL.

Ok so i read this article online that said Chavez the president of Venezueala ,sorry if i spelled it wrong and i believe it was Venezueala, called Bush the devil and claimed Bush was some kind of phyocotic maniac planning to take over the world. Yet last i checked this guy supports a bunch of dictators like Iran I was wondering what people thought about this.

Me I dont like Bush I don't think he should be president, but I hardly think he is the devil. And quite frankly even though I dont like him in office I am offended he is being called evil by these morons. When look at what they are doing. Ya once again America is accussed of planing to take over the world by extremists.:mp5:all depends on which side of the fence you're on, who called Iran part of the "axis of evil" and Islaic-Fascists, where does that come from. respect is a two way street. and how many dictators does the USA support? more than a few. is America planning to take over the world? maybe not physically by force which it isn't capable of doing but certainly by political and economic bullying.

Lol did you even read what i said i never said that crap. READ MY TEXT i dont like Bush i was upset by Chavez attack on America which labels us all as EVIL.

I didn't mean you specifically. Others have made such an assertion and I simply can not believe that they were being serious. Here however, Chavez is being completely serious.

ok Where to start. Well its not a nonsensical position it was an attack on my country. Granted i dont like Bush. but with bush he was trying to label everyone in my country, that includes me buddy as evil and servants of the devil, although being the servant of the devil sounds kind of fun well i think i will pass considering i dont even believe in religon.

You clearly got my message wrong. probably my fault i worded it wrong. He was attacking America including Bush. that is what really offended me his attacks on America not Bush. He was trying to say because Bush is our leader all of us our Evil. Also i think bush is stupid and thats why hes not fit to be president not because he is evil and i was merely commenting on how i think its funny how a person like him, who supports people who are clearly evil IRAN could possibly have the right to call some one the devil.Direct quotes please.

i watched chavez give his speech, it was humorous.

he called americans terrorist a number of times. he attacked the role of the US in the UN. and some other stuff. he used his speech to basicly preach his mesage of America = Evil. thats pretty much all his speech was about.

i may be mistaken about this, but do you think it is a wise idea to insult the nation/ people of the nation that you are currently a guest in?

If you run your political career like Chavez does, it's actually a brilliant move.

If they let you leave, you just thumbed your nose in their face and walked away. If they attack/imprison/whatever you for criticizing them, they just kinda proved your point, didn't they?

i watched chavez give his speech, it was humorous.

he called americans terrorist a number of times. he attacked the role of the US in the UN. and some other stuff. he used his speech to basicly preach his mesage of America = Evil. thats pretty much all his speech was about.

I think you stopped listening at the precise moment he insulted Bush. There was a lot in the speach if you had put aside your patriotism you would have heard it.

I'm pope because the NS cardinals elected me. I'm not promoting Jesus W. Christ, I'm just posting funny pictures.
Ah, misunderstanding the pope happens so easily... :D

ok Where to start. Well its not a nonsensical position it was an attack on my country.
I dont see that someone mouthing off at your country makes your reaction any less nonsensical.

Granted i dont like Bush. but with bush he was trying to label everyone in my country, that includes me buddy as evil and servants of the devil, although being the servant of the devil sounds kind of fun well i think i will pass considering i dont even believe in religon.
If that is the case it wasnt communicated in your OP.

You clearly got my message wrong. probably my fault i worded it wrong. He was attacking America including Bush.
Ok.

that is what really offended me his attacks on America not Bush. He was trying to say because Bush is our leader all of us our Evil. Also i think bush is stupid and thats why hes not fit to be president not because he is evil and i was merely commenting on how i think its funny how a person like him, who supports people who are clearly evil IRAN could possibly have the right to call some one the devil.
Aha, well he doesnt need a 'right'. People dont have a right to murder each other, but the crime statistics roll on.

I suspect we might have a divergence of attitude here, the less moral authority I percieve someone as having (in terms of their conduct being 'good/right' in my opinnon), the less I care what they say, where-as, if I am interpreting correctly, you find it more offensive when the person slinging mud is also wallowing in it.

I dont see that someone mouthing off at your country makes your reaction any less nonsensical.

If that is the case it wasnt communicated in your OP.

Ok.


Aha, well he doesnt need a 'right'. People dont have a right to murder each other, but the crime statistics roll on.

I suspect we might have a divergence of attitude here, the less moral authority I percieve someone as having (in terms of their conduct being 'good/right' in my opinnon), the less I care what they say, where-as, if I am interpreting correctly, you find it more offensive when the person slinging mud is also wallowing in it.

my reaction is simply this i was insulted what is so nonsensical about that?

as for not caring about what people who obviuosly have no moral agenda i suppose your right about that

i just wanted to know what people thought of this guy i really didnt know much about him.

my reaction is simply this i was insulted what is so nonsensical about that?
It was nonsensical in the context of the apparent implication (in the OP) that the offense was somehow contingent on the moronity of the person making the comment. Perhaps this was not your intended meaning or perhaps it fails to make good sense to me due to my personal lack of regard for the opinion of those I consider to be morons.

as for not caring about what people who obviuosly have no moral agenda i suppose your right about that

i just wanted to know what people thought of this guy i really didnt know much about him.
LOL, funnily enough I dont think much of him one way or another because I dont really know much about him...;)

Bush is the Devil?

:rolleyes:

Oh, please. Chavez gives Bush far too much credit. The Devil is smart, cunning and competent. :p

Well, the anti-Christ is supposed to take the guise of a believer when he comes.

Well, the anti-Christ is supposed to take the guise of a believer when he comes.

I thought he was Ronald Reagan guess i was wrong or the world would be over by now.

President Chavez seemed too speak very freely...A luxury the people of venezula have yet too enjoy. :p

And the "OMG Chavez said something stupid about Bush" threads are kinda getting old. I mean come on, this thing, it's Chavez's shtick. I still like the guy. (Oh and for the record, he's not a dictator. Dictators must seize power illegally. Chavez has been elected both times, which is perfectly in line with Venesuela's political process.)

Adequately sums up my thoughts on the matter.


i may be mistaken about this, but do you think it is a wise idea to insult the nation/ people of the nation that you are currently a guest in?

a) The United Nations is located on international ground

b) Unless I'm mistaken, Chavez has never insulted the people of the US; quite the reverse

c) If you believe in free speech, then Chavez has as much right to express his views in the General Assembly as Dubya has

Chavez is trying desperately to maintain power for life, and will be having a referendum on that exact subject very soon, which no doubt he will rig.

Given that the elections that brought him to power and maintained him there (despite anti-democratic US pressure) were recognised as fair and democratic by the international community, including the United States, there's no reason (except your wishful thinking) to believe he would rig any elections.

Second, the referendum would not make him president for life. It would merely remove the constitutional impediment on him seeking re-election. In that sense Venezuela would be like, say, France, where the president is allowed to stand for re-election as many times as he (or she) wishes. The whole thing would remain perfectly democratic. The will of the Venezuelan people will be respected at all times.

President Chavez seemed too speak very freely...A luxury the people of venezula have yet too enjoy. :p

What on earth are you talking about?!

Did anybody else catch Chavez plugging Noam Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival"?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42111000/jpg/_42111018_203chavezncho.jpg

Now THAT is what I call good marketing. Has anybody ever advertised a product while speaking at the UN? This may be a first.

Did anybody else catch Chavez plugging Noam Chomsky's "Hegemony or Survival"?

Now THAT is what I call good marketing. Has anybody ever advertised a product while speaking at the UN? This may be a first.

Difficult to miss; it was the first thing he said. ;)

An... interesting speech. I've just finished listening (http://www.un.org/webcast/ga/61/gastatement20.shtml) to it. In some ways of course it's simplistic; he's pandering to his audience, and I wish he would stop with the Christian rhetoric. But you still have to respect the guy for his policies and overall position.

Difficult to miss; it was the first thing he said. ;)

An... interesting speech. I've just finished listening (http://www.un.org/webcast/ga/61/gastatement20.shtml) to it. In some ways of course it's simplistic; he's pandering to his audience, and I wish he would stop with the Christian rhetoric. But you still have to respect the guy for his policies and overall position.

Not really. He supports countries like Iran how can you respect the guy for that. His countries economy sucks not entirely not his own fault. He is using Bush and America as a scapegoat to divert his countries attention from what a shitty job he is doing. I am surpsrised he didnt blame the jews for his countries problems hahaha like every other person looking for an easy scapegoat i suppose because of Bush America has become an easier target.