NationStates Jolt Archive


Hugo Chavez and Helen "Mama" Boucher

Andaluciae
20-09-2006, 17:36
So, Mr. Chavez went about pronouncing aloud that Mr. Bush is 'the devil'. How immensely amusing, I find it comical that Mr. Chavez uses such pathetic rhetoric to demonize those who oppose his goals. It's even more pathetic than the "you are not patriotic" stuff you hear so often in the US. As always, Mr. Chavez has absolutely nothing productive to say, only childish playground taunts.

*Helen "Mama" Boucher is a reference to the mother of Adam Sandler's characters mother in the movie "The Waterboy". She was played by Kathy Bates, and throughout the movie she called everything her character didn't like "The Devil."
Andaluciae
20-09-2006, 17:37
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/20/chavez.un.ap/index.html

Forgot my linky.
Yootopia
20-09-2006, 17:42
Can you say "six of one and half-a-dozen of the other"?
The SR
20-09-2006, 17:45
So, Mr. Chavez went about pronouncing aloud that Mr. Bush is 'the devil'. How immensely amusing, I find it comical that Mr. Chavez uses such pathetic rhetoric to demonize those who oppose his goals. It's even more pathetic than the "you are not patriotic" stuff you hear so often in the US. As always, Mr. Chavez has absolutely nothing productive to say, only childish playground taunts.

*Helen "Mama" Boucher is a reference to the mother of Adam Sandler's characters mother in the movie "The Waterboy". She was played by Kathy Bates, and throughout the movie she called everything her character didn't like "The Devil."

if the CIA under Bush's command twice failed to have me deposed and presumably killed, i would be using language far stronger than 'the devil'....
Andaluciae
20-09-2006, 17:47
if the CIA under Bush's command twice failed to have me deposed and presumably killed, i would be using language far stronger than 'the devil'....

If the CIA wanted to kill Chavez, he'd be dead. Show me evidence that the CIA attempted to assassinate/remove Mr. Chavez, and not just Mr. Chavez saying it.

Even at that, there are far more effective ways to communicate your points than by using playground taunts.
Grey Drizzle
20-09-2006, 17:49
So this happened roughly seven months after Rumsfeld went "Chavez is Hitler. LOL LOL LOL"?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1115950

(I'm paraphrasing, obviously).
Andaluciae
20-09-2006, 17:50
So this happened roughly seven months after Rumsfeld went "Chavez is Hitler. LOL LOL LOL"?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1115950

(I'm paraphrasing, obviously).

Link is broken.
Yootopia
20-09-2006, 17:50
If the CIA wanted to kill Chavez, he'd be dead. Show me evidence that the CIA attempted to assassinate/remove Mr. Chavez, and not just Mr. Chavez saying it.

Even at that, there are far more effective ways to communicate your points than by using playground taunts.
ffs they tried to kill Castro three times and failed.
Grey Drizzle
20-09-2006, 17:53
Link is broken.

My bad. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11159503/
The SR
20-09-2006, 17:53
If the CIA wanted to kill Chavez, he'd be dead. Show me evidence that the CIA attempted to assassinate/remove Mr. Chavez, and not just Mr. Chavez saying it.
.

Have you seen "The Revolution Will not be Televised"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#2002:_Coup_and_strike.2Flockout (Wiki article on CIA involvment)
The Lone Alliance
20-09-2006, 17:54
Chavez is so silly.
Andaluciae
20-09-2006, 17:55
ffs they tried to kill Castro three times and failed.

And Mr. Castro went out of his way to try to get his friends the Russians to launch nuclear tipped missiles at the US. A bit of tit-for-tat, don't you think?
Andaluciae
20-09-2006, 17:57
My bad. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11159503/

While I despise making Hitler references, I also intensely dislike Mr. Rumsfeld, so you don't need to convince me that he's rotten.
Grey Drizzle
20-09-2006, 17:58
And Mr. Castro went out of his way to try to get his friends the Russians to launch nuclear tipped missiles at the US. A bit of tit-for-tat, don't you think?
Source?
East Canuck
20-09-2006, 17:59
And Mr. Castro went out of his way to try to get his friends the Russians to launch nuclear tipped missiles at the US. A bit of tit-for-tat, don't you think?

Are you insinuating that you put missiles in Turkey during the cold war for the express purpose of sending them towards Moscow? No? Then how can you be so sure the Cuban missiles would have been launched?

That is a red herring of historical proportions.
Andaluciae
20-09-2006, 17:59
Have you seen "The Revolution Will not be Televised"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#2002:_Coup_and_strike.2Flockout (Wiki article on CIA involvment)

I see evidence that the US warned Mr. Chavez of the coup and of the assassination attempt, but nothing besides Mr. Chavez's claims that the CIA was behind it.
Carnivorous Lickers
20-09-2006, 18:00
ffs they tried to kill Castro three times and failed.

how many decades ago was that ?
Yootopia
20-09-2006, 18:01
how many decades ago was that ?
Between four and two.

And to be honest, they were much better funded in the Cold War.

Nowadays, they'd probably just try and run him over or something.
Andaluciae
20-09-2006, 18:02
Are you insinuating that you put missiles in Turkey during the cold war for the express purpose of sending them towards Moscow? No? Then how can you be so sure the Cuban missiles would have been launched?

That is a red herring of historical proportions.

Deterrent factor was the reason for the missiles in Turkey.

Mr. Castro told Khruschev that the time had come to launch the Soviet Missiles.

Unfortunately I have a textbook and not a website for this bit of info, and I really can't link to a textbook.
Carnivorous Lickers
20-09-2006, 18:03
I see evidence that the US warned Mr. Chavez of the coup and of the assassination attempt, but nothing besides Mr. Chavez's claims that the CIA was behind it.

chavez is another bloated cock-bag, bloviating to a tickled audience.
East Canuck
20-09-2006, 18:09
Deterrent factor was the reason for the missiles in Turkey.

Mr. Castro told Khruschev that the time had come to launch the Soviet Missiles.

Unfortunately I have a textbook and not a website for this bit of info, and I really can't link to a textbook.

Deterrent factor could have been in Cuba too. And what Mr. Castro says doesn't mean what it would happen. Khruschev had to agree. I see that as highly unlikely.

Sabre-rattling on both sides.

As for Chavez: The US was first to recognize the coup leaders as a legitimate government even though they failed. Also, the spent a few months in the US being funded and trained.

Nothing worse that someone who doesn't want to see.
CthulhuFhtagn
20-09-2006, 18:18
how many decades ago was that ?

Ever since he got into power until the U.S. decided to let him die of old age. Probably stopped around 20 years or so ago. Most of the attempts have been declassified by now, and demonstrate that the CIA probably watched too many spy films.
Free Sex and Beer
20-09-2006, 18:20
And Mr. Castro went out of his way to try to get his friends the Russians to launch nuclear tipped missiles at the US. A bit of tit-for-tat, don't you think?bullshit-never happened-McNamara in conversation with Castro-Castro said they would have only launched had the US attacked Cuba, and they didn't have to ask, the Cubans had the power to launch without Soviet approval
Free Sex and Beer
20-09-2006, 18:21
Deterrent factor was the reason for the missiles in Turkey.

Mr. Castro told Khruschev that the time had come to launch the Soviet Missiles.

Unfortunately I have a textbook and not a website for this bit of info, and I really can't link to a textbook.get a better textbook