NationStates Jolt Archive


Freedom is on the march!

PsychoticDan
20-09-2006, 17:18
Thanks to George Bush and the courage of the American people, the people of Iraq have made great strides in building a stable democracy that respects the rights of individuals to choose their own destinies. May the people of the Middle East look to Iraq as a shining example of the possibilities and opportunities America and the Bush Administration can help to foster throughout the world. God bless George Bush!

BAGHDAD — On a recent Sunday, I was buying groceries in my beloved Amariya neighborhood in western Baghdad when I heard the sound of an AK-47 for about three seconds. It was close but not very close, so I continued shopping.

As I took a right turn on Munadhama Street, I saw a man lying on the ground in a small pool of blood. He wasn't dead.

The idea of stopping to help or to take him to a hospital crossed my mind, but I didn't dare. Cars passed without stopping. Pedestrians and shop owners kept doing what they were doing, pretending nothing had happened.

I was still looking at the wounded man and blaming myself for not stopping to help. Other shoppers peered at him from a distance, sorrowful and compassionate, but did nothing.

I went on to another grocery store, staying for about five minutes while shopping for tomatoes, onions and other vegetables. During that time, the man managed to sit up and wave to passing cars. No one stopped. Then, a white Volkswagen pulled up. A passenger stepped out with a gun, walked steadily to the wounded man and shot him three times. The car took off down a side road and vanished.

No one did anything. No one lifted a finger. The only reaction came from a woman in the grocery store. In a low voice, she said, "My God, bless his soul."

I went home and didn't dare tell my wife. I did not want to frighten her.

I've lived in my neighborhood for 25 years. My daughters went to kindergarten and elementary school here. I'm a Christian. My neighbors are mostly Sunni Arabs. We had always lived in harmony. Before the U.S.-led invasion, we would visit for tea and a chat. On summer afternoons, we would meet on the corner to joke and talk politics.

It used to be a nice upper-middle-class neighborhood, bustling with commerce and traffic. On the main street, ice cream parlors, hamburger stands and take-away restaurants competed for space. We would rent videos and buy household appliances.

Until 2005, we were mostly unaffected by violence. We would hear shootings and explosions now and again, but compared with other places in Baghdad, it was relatively peaceful.

Then, late in 2005, someone blew up three supermarkets in the area. Shops started closing. Most of the small number of Shiite Muslim families moved out. The commercial street became a ghost road.

On Christmas Day last year, we visited — as always — our local church, St. Thomas, in Mansour. It was half-empty. Some members of the congregation had left the country; others feared coming to church after a series of attacks against Christians.

American troops, who patrol the neighborhood in Humvees, have also become edgy. Get too close, and they'll shoot. A colleague — an interpreter and physician — was shot and killed by soldiers last year on his way home from a shopping trip. He hadn't noticed the Humvees parked on the street.

By early this year, living in my neighborhood had become a nightmare. In addition to anti-American graffiti, there were fliers telling women to wear conservative clothes and to cover their hair. Men were told not to wear shorts or jeans.

For me, as a Christian, it was unacceptable that someone would tell my wife and daughters what to wear. What's the use of freedom if someone is telling you what to wear, how to behave or what to do in your life?

But coming home one day, I saw my wife on the street. I didn't recognize her. She had covered up.

After the attack on the Shiite shrine of the Golden Dome in Samarra in February, Shiite gunmen tried to raid Sunni mosques in my neighborhood. One night, against the backdrop of heavy shooting, we heard the cleric calling for help through the mosque's loudspeakers. We stayed up all night, listening as they battled for the mosque. It made me feel unsafe. If a Muslim would shoot another Muslim, what would they do to a Christian?

Fear dictates everything we do.

I see my neighbors less and less. When I go out, I say hello and that's it. I fear someone will ask questions about my job working for Americans, which could put me in danger. Even if he had no ill will toward me, he might talk and reveal an identifying detail. We're afraid of an enemy among us. Someone we don't know. It's a cancer.

In March, assassinations started in our neighborhood. Early one evening, I was sitting in my garden with my wife when we heard several gunshots. I rushed to the gate to see what was going on, despite my wife's pleas to stay inside. My neighbors told me that gunmen had dropped three men from a car and shot them in the street before driving off. No one dared approach the victims to find out who they were.

The bodies remained there until the next morning. The police or the American military probably picked them up, but I don't know. They simply disappeared.

The sounds of shootings and explosions are now commonplace. We don't know who is shooting whom, or who has been targeted. We don't know why, and we're afraid to ask or help. We too could get shot. Bringing someone to the hospital or to the police is out of the question. Nobody trusts the police, and nobody wants to answer questions.

I feel sad, bitter and frustrated — sad because a human life is now worth nothing in this country; bitter because people no longer help each other; and frustrated because I can't help either. If I'm targeted one day, I'm sure no one will help me.

I was very happy when my eldest daughter married an American. First, because there was love between them, but also because she would be able to leave Iraq, and I wouldn't have to worry about her safety day after day. She left last year.

If you had asked me a year ago whether I would consider leaving Iraq, I would have said maybe, but without enthusiasm. Now it's a definite yes. Things are going from bad to worse, and I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel.

Four weeks ago, I came home from work. As I reached my street, I saw a man lying in a pool of blood. Someone had covered him with bits of cardboard. This was the best they could do. No one dared move him.

I drove on.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-letter20sep20,0,4188916.story?coll=la-home-headlines
The Nazz
20-09-2006, 17:33
When this is all over and the Iraqis have reestablished some form of stability to their lives, they will be well within their rights to hate the US for the next hundred years. I hope they don't, but I wouldn't blame them if they did.
Farnhamia
20-09-2006, 17:40
I believe the phrase wanted here is "Mission Accomplished."
Wilgrove
20-09-2006, 17:42
When this is all over and the Iraqis have reestablished some form of stability to their lives, they will be well within their rights to hate the US for the next hundred years. I hope they don't, but I wouldn't blame them if they did.

Why would they hate us? I mean jeez bloodless coups and change of powers without war or battle is very very very rare.
Yootopia
20-09-2006, 17:45
Dammit!

I thought this was about the Manchester March on the 23rd! (the anti-Blair one).

Because I'm off on that, and it should be a good one. So if you in Manchester - join in!
Yootopia
20-09-2006, 17:46
I believe the phrase wanted here is "Mission Accomplished."
No, the real phrase is "we're so very terribly sorry for what we have done, the Iraqi people".
Upper Botswavia
20-09-2006, 17:52
The closest I have been to that sort of mindless horror is a series of pictures in one of the New York papers a few years ago. A man (not in uniform, and I forget now which side he was remarked to be on, not that it mattered in the end) was shown, standing in the middle of the street, holding a gun. In one frame, he was just standing, in the next he had obviously heard a shot and was turning around and possibly firing. The next picture showed him recoiling from being hit, and falling. The final frame showed him dying there, while people in the background (and obviously the photographer) looked but did nothing.

I actually saw someone get shot once, and it was horrific. A bullet is such a small thing to do such incredible damage, but first aid and ambulances come rapidly here.

I do not know who that man in the paper was, but I cried for him, left to die like some forgotten candybar wrapper in the gutter while passersby just passed by. He was obviously a combatant, as he had a gun, but having seen other pictures of random bodies lying around in the streets, I feel just as bad for the writer of this article having to see this daily.

How horrible to be so surrounded by death that it is better to let a man lie bleeding in the street and shop for vegetables than to try and help him.
PsychoticDan
20-09-2006, 17:56
The closest I have been to that sort of mindless horror is a series of pictures in one of the New York papers a few years ago. A man (not in uniform, and I forget now which side he was remarked to be on, not that it mattered in the end) was shown, standing in the middle of the street, holding a gun. In one frame, he was just standing, in the next he had obviously heard a shot and was turning around and possibly firing. The next picture showed him recoiling from being hit, and falling. The final frame showed him dying there, while people in the background (and obviously the photographer) looked but did nothing.

I actually saw someone get shot once, and it was horrific. A bullet is such a small thing to do such incredible damage, but first aid and ambulances come rapidly here.

I do not know who that man in the paper was, but I cried for him, left to die like some forgotten candybar wrapper in the gutter while passersby just passed by. He was obviously a combatant, as he had a gun, but having seen other pictures of random bodies lying around in the streets, I feel just as bad for the writer of this article having to see this daily.

How horrible to be so surrounded by death that it is better to let a man lie bleeding in the street and shop for vegetables than to try and help him.

Very well put.
Ashmoria
20-09-2006, 18:06
Why would they hate us? I mean jeez bloodless coups and change of powers without war or battle is very very very rare.

gee i dont know.

maybe because the death of every iraqi since the invasion is our fault? the chaos, suffering, economic troubles, religious strife. all of it.

it depends on how it all turns out if they forgive us for our stupidity or hate us forever for destroying iraq.
PsychoticDan
20-09-2006, 18:08
Thank God we have a president that is confident enough to make tough decisions and flexible enough to realize when things aren't working right so that he can make different ones to fix them. Recently, in a meeting with conservative columnists in the Oval Office, George Bush made comments that showed why he may go down as one of the most astute and politically savy presidents of all time.

He expressed faith that "over time, the inevitable truth will win" — the truth being that "freedom is universal." He professed no alarm about bad news from Iraq, saying that recent trends (such as a spike in killings) were just a "nanosecond" in historical terms. "I think the politics of Iraq are going to just take a while to settle out."

"I can understand," he said, referring to the invasion of Iraq, "why people who agreed that we should have done this wonder whether or not we can succeed." He just refuses to be swayed from his grand strategy because of tactical setbacks. "If you don't have a set of principles to fall back on, you flounder and … it creates waves, and the waves rock the decision-making process."

"Keep punching," he urged the assembled scribes. He is obviously taking his own advice.

/sarcasm

God forgive them for they know not what they do.
-Jesus
Farnhamia
20-09-2006, 18:24
No, the real phrase is "we're so very terribly sorry for what we have done, the Iraqi people".

Yes, but you missed the point entirely. Next time I'll use a "[/sarcasm]" tag. ;)
PsychoticDan
20-09-2006, 18:33
Moron what ...

Excuse me.

More on what George Bush said during his conference with the conservative columnists.

"I'm certainly not a military expert,
No kidding? :confused:

nor am I in Baghdad," he said, so he will leave those decisions to the "experts."He should get some. Maybe someone who actually fought a war. maybe someone who actually fought a war in the Gulf. Maybe someone who actually fought a war and won a war against Iraq in the Gulf. He had one for a while, but he didn't listen to him very much.
Londim
20-09-2006, 19:03
This war just keeps going and going. It seems it will never end. At least theres only two years left of Bush, the worst President ever to have taken office for the USA ( in my and my politics teachers opnion). I feel sorry for that guy and everyone else who has to face the constant fear of death be they soldier or civilian because no one deserves to live with that fear everyday.
Gravlen
20-09-2006, 20:09
"Freedom is on the march"...

Am I the only one who's wondering where it's going, and when it'll be back?
Yootopia
20-09-2006, 20:11
Yes, but you missed the point entirely. Next time I'll use a "[/sarcasm]" tag. ;)
Oh... terribly sorry...
The Nazz
20-09-2006, 20:13
"Freedom is on the march"...

Am I the only one who's wondering where it's going, and when it'll be back?

It got a better offer from Albania, but as soon as those tax credits expire, it'll be on the lookout for a better deal.
The blessed Chris
20-09-2006, 20:20
I assume the OP was satire......
Skinny87
20-09-2006, 20:22
I assume the OP was satire......

No. Bush and the US military really are doing a good job. Those damn Iraqi's don't know how to be grateful, is all...
The Nazz
20-09-2006, 20:22
I assume the OP was satire......

The title at the very least.
The blessed Chris
20-09-2006, 20:23
The title at the very least.

Oh good.
PsychoticDan
20-09-2006, 20:28
I assume the OP was satire......

I can't help it. It's just my sense of humor. Like in my sig. http://www.necroticobsession.com/bb/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif
The blessed Chris
20-09-2006, 20:30
I can't help it. It's just my sense of humor. Like in my sig. http://www.necroticobsession.com/bb/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif

Stop using STOOPID SMILEES!:mad:
PsychoticDan
20-09-2006, 20:35
Stop using STOOPID SMILEES!:mad:

What's wrong with my smilies? http://www.necroticobsession.com/bb/images/smiles/icon_mad.gif

I like my smilies! http://www.necroticobsession.com/bb/images/smiles/icon_confused.gif

They remind me of home. http://www.necroticobsession.com/bb/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif
The Black Forrest
20-09-2006, 20:50
Isn't this a case of people in general suck?

Even here you have rape prevention classes the teach women to yell fire instead of help.
PsychoticDan
20-09-2006, 20:55
Isn't this a case of people in general suck?

Even here you have rape prevention classes the teach women to yell fire instead of help.

Might also be a case of the complete breakdown of order in the aftermath of a badly planned invasion and an occupation that was run by morons with very little understanding of what they were doing.
Meath Street
20-09-2006, 21:13
Why would they hate us? I mean jeez bloodless coups and change of powers without war or battle is very very very rare.
Because you destroyed their society, you imperialist power.

You supported that war, didn't you?
PsychoticDan
20-09-2006, 21:35
Because you destroyed their society, you imperialist power.

You supported that war, didn't you?

I thought he was kidding, but maybe he wasn't?
Meath Street
20-09-2006, 21:45
I thought he was kidding, but maybe he wasn't?
Could you edit your post. I toned down my message because it looks like a flame and I don't want to get banned.
PsychoticDan
20-09-2006, 21:55
Could you edit your post. I toned down my message because it looks like a flame and I don't want to get banned.

ok
Muravyets
20-09-2006, 22:48
When this is all over and the Iraqis have reestablished some form of stability to their lives, they will be well within their rights to hate the US for the next hundred years. I hope they don't, but I wouldn't blame them if they did.

As an American, I would advise them never to forgive the US for what it did to them. I wouldn't. In fact, I don't think I ever will forgive my own country for starting this war. The best possible course -- actually the only hope I see for a passably decent long term outcome -- is for the US to hand over control of that country to an international authority as soon as possible and withdraw in an orderly fashion until there is not a single American presence left in Iraq -- including corporate ones -- and never, never to show our faces there again. I think we should try to accomplish that within 5 to 7 years (I do not think it can be done in less). After that, we need to give up our superpower status (which we'll proabably have to do anyway, eventually) and learn to keep our mouths shut in the UN for a good long while. Until such a handover is complete, we are just going to have to buckle down and let our children take the bullets that are going to keep coming as long as we are there.
Haken Rider
20-09-2006, 23:05
Well... in my opinion it is a good thing that they at least have the courage to stay. Their pressence drastically limits the potential of what could have been a terrible civil war.
PsychoticDan
20-09-2006, 23:07
Well... in my opinion it is a good thing that they at least have the courage to stay. Their pressence drastically limits the potential of what could have been a terrible civil war.

You mean the civil war that, in all likelyhood, is soon to come? Things are escalating, not quieting down.
New Domici
20-09-2006, 23:35
gee i dont know.

maybe because the death of every iraqi since the invasion is our fault? the chaos, suffering, economic troubles, religious strife. all of it.

it depends on how it all turns out if they forgive us for our stupidity or hate us forever for destroying iraq.

Yeah, but years of sensless massacre, devestated infrastructure, anarchy, and plunder by invading forces rarely happen without bloodshed and the destruction of a nation. They can hardly blame us for bringing them all of that and having it not work out so well, can they? I mean, you can't make a brutality ommlette without setting fire to a chicken and then running over it with a car.
New Domici
20-09-2006, 23:37
You mean the civil war that, in all likelyhood, is soon to come? Things are escalating, not quieting down.

The civil war is already here (or there).

When asked to explain why he thinks there isn't one going on he gave an explanation that, if taken at face value, would mean that America never had a civil war.
New Domici
20-09-2006, 23:38
As an American, I would advise them never to forgive the US for what it did to them. I wouldn't. In fact, I don't think I ever will forgive my own country for starting this war. The best possible course -- actually the only hope I see for a passably decent long term outcome -- is for the US to hand over control of that country to an international authority as soon as possible and withdraw in an orderly fashion until there is not a single American presence left in Iraq -- including corporate ones -- and never, never to show our faces there again.

I can't imagine why we aren't doing that now. I mean it's not like we're sticking around there to control their oil production or anything.
PsychoticDan
20-09-2006, 23:41
Yeah, but years of sensless massacre, devestated infrastructure, anarchy, and plunder by invading forces rarely happen without bloodshed and the destruction of a nation. They can hardly blame us for bringing them all of that and having it not work out so well, can they? I mean, you can't make a brutality ommlette without setting fire to a chicken and then running over it with a car.

This topic is tragic, not funny, but I still had to laugh at the brutality ommlette.
Meath Street
20-09-2006, 23:41
As an American, I would advise them never to forgive the US for what it did to them.
One must always forgive, eventually, but a good long grudge would be quite due to the US.

In fact, I don't think I ever will forgive my own country for starting this war.
Seriously? Blame the Republicans and to a lesser extend Democrats but your whole country?

The best possible course -- actually the only hope I see for a passably decent long term outcome -- is for the US to hand over control of that country to an international authority as soon as possible and withdraw in an orderly fashion until there is not a single American presence left in Iraq -- including corporate ones -- and never, never to show our faces there again.
No way, you're not getting out that easily. I'm not going to support the UN going in there to clean up the mess it never authorised.

The US has to clean up its own mess. I don't care if half a million American soldiers have to die, but it's America's responsibilty end of story.
Ashmoria
20-09-2006, 23:43
Yeah, but years of sensless massacre, devestated infrastructure, anarchy, and plunder by invading forces rarely happen without bloodshed and the destruction of a nation. They can hardly blame us for bringing them all of that and having it not work out so well, can they? I mean, you can't make a brutality ommlette without setting fire to a chicken and then running over it with a car.

o

yeah

i didnt think of it that way

youre right.

my bad.
Ashmoria
20-09-2006, 23:46
No way, you're not getting out that easily. I'm not going to support the UN going in there to clean up the mess it never authorised.

The US has to clean up its own mess. I don't care if half a million American soldiers have to die, but it's America's responsibilty end of story.

i would normally agree with you but im more and more coming to the conclusion that it CAN'T be cleaned up until we are out. we are the cancer that is killing iraq.
Saint Revan
20-09-2006, 23:50
what makes me made is that we are fighting a dishonorable war. islam is not the true enemy. it is terrorism. why must we occupy an entire country in order just to catch terrorists? what we should do is to hunt down the terrorists with special forces, spies, etc. that would minimize civilian casualties. if we wanted to take down saddam, we should have just sparked a revolution in iraq. the iraqis would do all the fighting themselves and saddam would be put down. HOWEVER, our choice to move into afghanistan is a justified one, because al-qaeda struck first. you cannot argue with that. but think about iraq. we bomb their cities, occupy their land. Why wouldnt they hate us? hunting down the terrorists is one thing. occupying iraq is completely different. :eek: :sniper:
Evil Cantadia
21-09-2006, 00:22
He should get some. Maybe someone who actually fought a war. maybe someone who actually fought a war in the Gulf. Maybe someone who actually fought a war and won a war against Iraq in the Gulf. He had one for a while, but he didn't listen to him very much.

True that. I also think it' s pretty disgusting the way he questioned the records of men who actually served their country (like Kerry or McCain) while he was siting on his duff in the Texas NAtional Air Guard ...
Evil Cantadia
21-09-2006, 00:24
He should get some. Maybe someone who actually fought a war. maybe someone who actually fought a war in the Gulf. Maybe someone who actually fought a war and won a war against Iraq in the Gulf. He had one for a while, but he didn't listen to him very much.

True that. I also think it' s pretty disgusting the way he questioned the records of men who actually served their country (like Kerry or McCain) while he was siting on his duff in the Texas NAtional Air Guard ...
Evil Cantadia
21-09-2006, 00:24
He should get some. Maybe someone who actually fought a war. maybe someone who actually fought a war in the Gulf. Maybe someone who actually fought a war and won a war against Iraq in the Gulf. He had one for a while, but he didn't listen to him very much.

True that. I also think it' s pretty disgusting the way he questioned the records of men who actually served their country (like Kerry or McCain) while he was siting on his duff in the Texas NAtional Air Guard ...