The Defenderist Party
This is our manifesto:
Our laws are simple: We will defend our people from any threats (except themselves).
Politically: Our party will be as efficient as possible while putting the people's TRUE interests first. (Democratic Republic)
Economically: We will prevent any injustices/ ub3r money hogging (think Bill Gates, NOT some dude who won the lottery) and will make sure every UNWILLING impoverished person is cared for (i.e., if you just refuse to work, you are on your own. If you cannot read and thus cannot work, we'll help you). (Socialist Capitalism (uhh... a combo))
Religiously: We will defend against any religious persecution, except where practices defy our other Law. (Libertarian)
Socially: We will not allow segregationist policies, but words are not counted. (Libertarian)
Intellectually: We will do our best to ensure everyone has full access to knowledge WITHOUT forcing it upon them. (Libertarian)
Artistically: We will allow all manners of safe expression. (Libertarian)
Legally: Our laws are only there to ensure that you do not hurt others. (Libertarian)
Militarily: Our militias will only be used in defense.
Legal Punishments: The prisoners get to work in labor prisons for a short while (not long compared to jail time). They will work to reimburse their crimes thrice: Once to pay the state for supporting them, , once for taxes, and once for the victims.
Yes, we used to use the AWSL forum, but that is not us.
we are a different party now, hence the different forum.
Members:
Minaris
The Archregimancy
Antitheocratics (applied off-forum)
Edwardis
20-09-2006, 01:58
It would present to many difficulties and contradictions in policy. Thank you, but no.
It would present to many difficulties and contradictions in policy. Thank you, but no.
Well, who says there would be contradictions?
and I thought you weren't participating in the elections.
Edwardis
20-09-2006, 02:14
Well, who says there would be contradictions?
and I thought you weren't participating in the elections.
I'm not. But I still like to look at the different parties everyone's coming up with. And now that I realize more fully what's going on with the elections, I'm not so hostile toward them, anyway.
Fleckenstein
20-09-2006, 02:15
You scream "Generic."
Just an opinion.
You scream "Generic."
Just an opinion.
We are not generic.
We are just abstract at the time, for reasons that become obvious.
What we mean by what we say will be revealed later, as in when I am asked point-by-point (i.e., What is your view on theocracy?
Ans: it is bad.)
Fleckenstein
20-09-2006, 02:22
We are not generic.
We are just abstract at the time, for reasons that become obvious.
What we mean by what we say will be revealed later, as in when I am asked point-by-point (i.e., What is your view on theocracy?
Ans: it is bad.)
Why not throw it all out there now? Why leave people to wonder about your party's true views while others have every detail in their manifesto?
Edwardis
20-09-2006, 02:22
(i.e., What is your view on theocracy?
Ans: it is bad.)
Another strike against this party! :p
Forumwalker
20-09-2006, 02:47
Decent enough manifesto. Definately top 5 out of all that will probably be accepted into the 4th NS General Election, imo.
Decent enough manifesto. Definately top 5 out of all that will probably be accepted into the 4th NS General Election, imo.
Thank you for that comment.
The reason the manifesto does not contain the direct views is because I hate missing stuff, so I will take any questions.
Call to power
20-09-2006, 21:32
I ponder how bad a permanent safety net will be after all what if you have a family to feed and McDonalds wont be able to pay enough
Yes I haven’t thought this all the way through yet but it seems a clever idea
edit: and I haven’t seen any NS'er apply yet where did 'The Archregimancy' come from?
I ponder how bad a permanent safety net will be after all what if you have a family to feed and McDonalds wont be able to pay enough
Yes I haven’t thought this all the way through yet but it seems a clever idea
edit: and I haven’t seen any NS'er apply yet where did 'The Archregimancy' come from?
His application was on the old thread (AWSL). I originally made the paty there, so... :D
The permanent safety net thing is why we have the labor prisons.
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Swilatia
22-09-2006, 12:40
your party just screams "generic" i doubt your gonna get some members. how about you just leave it and join a real party, such as the real CWP
your party just screams "generic" i doubt your gonna get some members. how about you just leave it and join a real party, such as the real CWP
I have two members and did join that party. All hail the lack of rules for elections!
(I am now a member of three parties. ;) )
Pre Election Day Bumpzor!
Wanderjar
30-09-2006, 19:58
Sounds to me like a Socialist Party. Nothing wrong with that of course....:)
Socialist libertarian, in a sense.
Philosopy
30-09-2006, 20:26
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Vote NBIP
There's no defence like Her Majesty's gunboats
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NEVER Vote NBIP
Every other defense is better than Her Majesty's gunboats
That's better.
Trotskylvania
30-09-2006, 20:28
Socialist libertarian, in a sense.
No, not really. It's more of an anti-authoritarian Social Democracy. Nothing wrong with that except that it won't last for long. Inevitably, high income people will push for the end of social welfare, or the State, faced with an existensial crisis, will roll back protections of freedoms.
No, not really. It's more of an anti-authoritarian Social Democracy. Nothing wrong with that except that it won't last for long. Inevitably, high income people will push for the end of social welfare, or the State, faced with an existensial crisis, will roll back protections of freedoms.
Not necessarily... the high income people are not affected so much as TEH UBER HIGH (like $5M a year or more).
and who says it will fail?
Trotskylvania
30-09-2006, 20:37
Not necessarily... the high income people are not affected so much as TEH UBER HIGH (like $5M a year or more).
and who says it will fail?
When I say "high income", I mean TEH UBER HIGH INCOMEXOR people.
It won't work in the long run because it is caught right in between to opposing mutually exclusive forces: a belief in the welfare of the people and a belief in a powerful State. Inevitably, one force will win. Either TEH UBER RICHXORS will win, or the State will win.
When I say "high income", I mean TEH UBER HIGH INCOMEXOR people.
It won't work in the long run because it is caught right in between to opposing mutually exclusive forces: a belief in the welfare of the people and a belief in a powerful State. Inevitably, one force will win. Either TEH UBER RICHXORS will win, or the State will win.
Not necessarily. You have to understand that everything is not so simple...
Trotskylvania
30-09-2006, 20:44
Not necessarily. You have to understand that everything is not so simple...
It isn't simple, but historically that is what has happened to political parties that supported ideologies very similar to yours. They either become captured by the private sector or they reject individual freedoms.
It isn't simple, but historically that is what has happened to political parties that supported ideologies very similar to yours. They either become captured by the private sector or they reject individual freedoms.
There is a way to stop it. It just has to be thought out.
Trotskylvania
30-09-2006, 20:47
There is a way to stop it. It just has to be thought out.
They way to stop it is to put more emphasize on grassroots democracy and worker self management--even if it is in the context of a capitalist system.
They way to stop it is to put more emphasize on grassroots democracy and worker self management--even if it is in the context of a capitalist system.
Or to simply CONTROL the situation.
Historically, there is a point where these things could be stopped.
Trotskylvania
30-09-2006, 20:53
Or to simply CONTROL the situation.
Historically, there is a point where these things could be stopped.
The way to control the situation is to create situations that remove both the sovereignty of the State and the power of financial institutions. Hence, grassroots democracy and worker self management.
The way to control the situation is to create situations that remove both the sovereignty of the State and the power of financial institutions. Hence, grassroots democracy and worker self management.
Uh, maybe.
But this for the time being.
Gurguvungunit
01-10-2006, 08:56
I say, good chaps.
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