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The Article from CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/19/pope.turks.reut/index.html)

Do they want a fecking holy war? Honestly, I can understand being a little upset about his comments (even though it was a misinterpretation), but -- maybe it's just me -- arresting any international leader is probably not a way to win friends. Especially if it's a religious leader, as religion knows no national boundaries.

For some reason, I don't think the Vatican will be changing it's stance on Turkey's EU membership any time soon.

I'm sure he'll be quivering with fear in his bed tonight.

If the pope gets arrested I would... laugh probably but insert something crazier there.

I'm sure he'll be quivering with fear in his bed tonight.

or mastrubating

Under their interpretation, life is a holy war against everyone not with them.

What is it with Turks and the Pope? Shoot one, arrest the next, come on people!

or mastrubating

I would say the chances of that are pretty low.

Good riddance, start the next election.

That's bullcrap. They're not exactly helping their argument.

I mean, what the Pope said wasn't exactly smart. Using parts of a propaganda speech by a Byzantinian Emperor under threat from Muslim invaders shouldn't be necessary to get your point across in the 21st century.

But his point was (as far as I can gather) that religion cannot be spread through violence, and that is a good point.

See this surprisingly enlightened interview with a German Cardinal. Ignore the tripe about Europe's morality, and concentrate on the Islam within the west bit:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,437587,00.html
SPIEGEL: Do you think a dialogue on equal footing is possible?

Kasper: One cannot be naïve when engaging in this dialogue. Islam undoubtedly deserves respect. It has some things in common with Christianity, such as Abraham as a common progenitor, and the belief in only one God. But Islam developed in opposition to orthodox Christianity from the very start, and it considers itself superior to Christianity. So far, it has only been tolerant in places where it is in the minority. Where it is the majority religion, Islam does not recognize religious freedom, at least not as we understand it. Islam is a different culture. This doesn't mean that it's an inferior culture, but it is a culture that has yet to connect with the positive sides of our modern Western culture: religious freedom, human rights and equal rights for women. These shortcomings are one reason so many Muslims feel such frustration that often turns into hatred and violence against the West, which is despised as being godless and decadent. Suicide attacks are the actions of losers who have nothing left to lose. In this case, Islam serves as a mask, a cover for desperation and nihilism, but not for religion.

lol guess who's not getting into the E.U :p

And the more I learn about the Turkey the more I seem to hate it or is that every country

The Article from CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/19/pope.turks.reut/index.html)

Do they want a fecking holy war? Honestly, I can understand being a little upset about his comments (even though it was a misinterpretation), but -- maybe it's just me -- arresting any international leader is probably not a way to win friends. Especially if it's a religious leader, as religion knows no national boundaries.

For some reason, I don't think the Vatican will be changing it's stance on Turkey's EU membership any time soon.Let's take a look at that, shall we?

ANKARA, Turkey (Reuters) -- Employees of the state body that organizes Muslim worship in Turkey asked the authorities on Tuesday to open legal proceedings against Pope Benedict XVI and to arrest him when he visits the country in November.Not an agency, just employees.
Employees of Ankara's Directorate General for Religious Affairs, or Diyanet, presented a petition to the Justice Ministry asking it to launch a probe into the pope's remarks and to detain him when he arrives, the Anatolian news agency said.Not only only employees, but they've made a petition.
It is not uncommon for individuals or organizations in Turkey to seek legal action against world leaders whose actions they disapprove of. They have never succeeded.What are you complaining about? One or two idiots? To my knowledge, the head of the religious agency of Turkey has WELCOMED Benedict XVI's clarification, as did the radical muslim brotherhood in Egypt.

EDIT:
In fact, the article backs up my claim:
Ali Bardakoglu, head of the Diyanet, has criticized the pope's remarks but has also welcomed his subsequent apology.

I think I know what country won't be joining the EU anytime soon and it's name rhymes with "Zurkey"...:p

I think I know what country won't be joining the EU anytime soon and it's name rhymes with "Zurkey"...:p

I wonder how many Turks are happy about that?

Am I the only one that noticed that the OP is basically bullshit?

The number of Muslim "extremists" is shockingly high. Hell, they're probably not even that much in the minority. It's scary to think that they get so riled up over such little comments that they actually kill people.

this has to be the biggest non story on here since the last one.

employess on an informal internal civil service agency made a presentation that was rejected?

stop the press. :rolleyes:


pat robertson does worse in his sleep.

Am I the only one that noticed that the OP is basically bullshit?
Hehe, yeah. NSG is too gullible.

To be honest, I was just looking for an excuse to post that interview. ;)

Am I the only one that noticed that the OP is basically bullshit?

I did, after I saw your first post that is:p

I'm looking forward to an end to the "ZOMG, POPE!!!1!!1" threads

Hehe, yeah. NSG is too gullible.

To be honest, I was just looking for an excuse to post that interview. ;)Yeah. I think this is the first time that I'm using this smily to describe how I feel about the OP and some of the responses...

:headbang:

The number of Muslim "extremists" is shockingly high. Hell, they're probably not even that much in the minority. It's scary to think that they get so riled up over such little comments that they actually kill people.

is it? I demand proof!

And people killing people for crappy reasons is the story of the peaceful world violence being built up inside waiting for the green light to release and such

Maybe everyone should take Thursday afternoon off to do some painting I would support that policy wholeheartedly

edit: actually its a splendid idea IMHO I may make a thread in the not-so-distant future

Employees of Ankara's Directorate General for Religious Affairs, or Diyanet, presented a petition to the Justice Ministry asking it to launch a probe into the pope's remarks and to detain him when he arrives, the Anatolian news agency said.
A petition... granted it doesn't say How many names on it. so it can be anywhere from 10 to hundreds of thousands.

also note, to detain, (not arrest).

It is not uncommon for individuals or organizations in Turkey to seek legal action against world leaders whose actions they disapprove of. They have never succeeded.They have never succeeded... this could be the past requests for legal actions against world leaders. It doesn't state that this latest one is part of those.


Ali Bardakoglu, head of the Diyanet, has criticized the pope's remarks but has also welcomed his subsequent apology. HE has accepted the apology, but that don't mean that some zelot/s will strap a bomb and try to take out the Pope-mobile...

We'll find out in November...

is it? I demand proof!



In Morocco, 26% now say they have a lot or some confidence in Bin Laden and 35% feel the same way in Indonesia.

However, in Jordan, confidence rose to 60% from 55%. In Pakistan, it went to 51% from 45%.

Analysts say a similar picture emerged when respondents were asked whether suicide bombings were justifiable.

In Morocco 13% said they often or sometimes could be justified, down from 40% in 2004.

However, support rose in Jordan, to 57% from 43% in 2002.

Even in the countries where supporters are in the minority they still are a large enough group to hardly be called "fringe."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4684989.stm

*Puts on white robe with a large red cross. Straps on his shield and seathes his long sword and yell," Deus vult."*

Just kiddig, but the Turks should know that if they threaten the Pope they will possibly get a attack by Christains in response.

Yeah. I think this is the first time that I'm using this smily to describe how I feel about the OP and some of the responses...

:headbang:

Oh please, I've seen news agencies do worse.

Frankly, you guys take me too seriously. I thought this article was hilarious, hence I posted it. Lighten up. :)

this has to be the biggest non story on here since the last one.

employess on an informal internal civil service agency made a presentation that was rejected?

stop the press. :rolleyes:


pat robertson does worse in his sleep.

Equating Pat Robertson with Muslim extremists is silly, intellectually dishonest and not borne out by the facts.

Equating Pat Robertson with Muslim extremists is silly, intellectually dishonest and not borne out by the facts.

How so ... he appears pretty idiodic and extreemist as well

How so ... he appears pretty idiodic and extreemist as well

He doesn't do anything violent though, whether that is because he is restrained by law or himself is up for debate.

He shares a very similar mentality, though.

Equating Pat Robertson with Muslim extremists is silly, intellectually dishonest and not borne out by the facts.

The Muslims in question created a petition that was rejected requesting an arrest of the Pope.

Pat Robertson makes a remark on his nationally broadcast television show suggesting that Hugo Chavez be "taken out".

You're right, Pat is much harder on national leaders he disagrees with. How silly of anyone here to think he would stop at an arrest request.

He doesn't do anything violent though, whether that is because he is restrained by law or himself is up for debate.

He shares a very similar mentality, though.

I was unaware the particular Muslim extremists we were discussing were violent … the ones that made the proposition to arrest the pope that is.

I was unaware the particular Muslim extremists we were discussing were violent … the ones that made the proposition to arrest the pope that is.

Oh! then yeah, your right.

I thought you were talking about the Al-qaeda/hezz type.

Oh! then yeah, your right.

I thought you were talking about the Al-qaeda/hezz type.

Yeah ... I thought I had missed a nested quote or something I was confused too lol