NationStates Jolt Archive

@Szanth: Dumbass... we celebrated the initial thanksgiving WITH the natives... learn some history before you talk about it...

Interesting note on Australia's view on their natives more recently than the 1800's: "The Elder Professor of Anatomy at the University of Adelaide in 1926 said that Aborigines were, 'too low in the scale of humanity' to benefit from 'the civilizing influence of Anglo Saxon rule'. In the 1920's and 30's Australia's Aborigines were a treasure trove of curiosity for scientists and academics who believed that here was the 'missing link' species that would advance the cause of Social Darwinism. Indigenous people in communities all over Australia were subject to inspection by 'scientists' interested in such things as similarities between Aborigines and Chimpanzees, brain capacity and cranium size. One study in 1920 concluded that, 'the average brain capacity of Aborigines was between the normal medium intelligence of twelve or thirteen year old children' "

And Australia for an unexciting country has been known to make a few boo-boo's....

Like ummm... slaughtering the natives...

"In the initial British invasion of Australia indigenous peoples were slaughtered on a grand scale. In Tasmania between 1804 and 1834, the Aboriginal population was reduced from an estimated 5000 people to just 200. This represented a 90% reduction in just 30 years."

90%... wow...

MY POINT = You country has made just as many mistakes as mine (if not many many more...) and America has clearly made many more RIGHT decisions than yours has or your country would be the superpower of the world.

Yes, the slaughter of the indigenous Australians was, and is, a national disgrace.

I wouldn't argue that Australia is neccessarily better or worse than America. I am critical of my own government & country. It seems to me that their is a great deal more blind patriotism & arrogance coming from the American population, as opposed to other western nations.

To argue that America must have got more decisions right, that's why it's a superpower & not Australia, is just ludicrous. For starters, Australia has a much smaller population, 20 million, as opposed to 250+ million. Your myopia is really showing through.

And Australia for an unexciting country has been known to make a few boo-boo's....

Like ummm... slaughtering the natives...

"In the initial British invasion of Australia indigenous peoples were slaughtered on a grand scale. In Tasmania between 1804 and 1834, the Aboriginal population was reduced from an estimated 5000 people to just 200. This represented a 90% reduction in just 30 years."

90%... wow...

MY POINT = You country has made just as many mistakes as mine (if not many many more...) and America has clearly made many more RIGHT decisions than yours has or your country would be the superpower of the world.
Okay, let's ignore the Native Americans, of who thousands more were killed than Australian Aborigines, shall we? I don't bash America, but I certainly take exception to the supposed fact that America has made more right decisions than all other countries. Countries don't necessarily become superpowers by making right decisions. Look at China and Soviet Russia. Hardly pinnacles of freedom and goodness.

Give me a call when your country has been around longer than any of the houses I've lived in and then we'll talk.

Have you overlooked the fact that the United Kingdom has only existed since 1801?

@Szanth: Dumbass... we celebrated the initial thanksgiving WITH the natives... learn some history before you talk about it...

Interesting note on Australia's view on their natives more recently than the 1800's: "The Elder Professor of Anatomy at the University of Adelaide in 1926 said that Aborigines were, 'too low in the scale of humanity' to benefit from 'the civilizing influence of Anglo Saxon rule'. In the 1920's and 30's Australia's Aborigines were a treasure trove of curiosity for scientists and academics who believed that here was the 'missing link' species that would advance the cause of Social Darwinism. Indigenous people in communities all over Australia were subject to inspection by 'scientists' interested in such things as similarities between Aborigines and Chimpanzees, brain capacity and cranium size. One study in 1920 concluded that, 'the average brain capacity of Aborigines was between the normal medium intelligence of twelve or thirteen year old children' "

I think a comedian said it best when he described it as "going on a date, having dinner, and then raping her, and later on just focusing on the dinner part like everything's okay."

@Szanth: Dumbass... we celebrated the initial thanksgiving WITH the natives... learn some history before you talk about it...

Interesting note on Australia's view on their natives more recently than the 1800's: "The Elder Professor of Anatomy at the University of Adelaide in 1926 said that Aborigines were, 'too low in the scale of humanity' to benefit from 'the civilizing influence of Anglo Saxon rule'. In the 1920's and 30's Australia's Aborigines were a treasure trove of curiosity for scientists and academics who believed that here was the 'missing link' species that would advance the cause of Social Darwinism. Indigenous people in communities all over Australia were subject to inspection by 'scientists' interested in such things as similarities between Aborigines and Chimpanzees, brain capacity and cranium size. One study in 1920 concluded that, 'the average brain capacity of Aborigines was between the normal medium intelligence of twelve or thirteen year old children' "

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and all that old chap.

http://www.usrf.org/uro-video/Tuskegee_2004/Tuskegee_study.html

@Szanth: Dumbass... we celebrated the initial thanksgiving WITH the natives... learn some history before you talk about it...

Interesting note on Australia's view on their natives more recently than the 1800's: "The Elder Professor of Anatomy at the University of Adelaide in 1926 said that Aborigines were, 'too low in the scale of humanity' to benefit from 'the civilizing influence of Anglo Saxon rule'. In the 1920's and 30's Australia's Aborigines were a treasure trove of curiosity for scientists and academics who believed that here was the 'missing link' species that would advance the cause of Social Darwinism. Indigenous people in communities all over Australia were subject to inspection by 'scientists' interested in such things as similarities between Aborigines and Chimpanzees, brain capacity and cranium size. One study in 1920 concluded that, 'the average brain capacity of Aborigines was between the normal medium intelligence of twelve or thirteen year old children' "

Did you also know that until the 1970s we took aboriginal children away from their parents, in the mistaked belief that raising them as "white" children would be better for them? It's called the Stolen Generation.

As I said, what was done was a national disgrace.

Have you overlooked the fact that the United Kingdom has only existed since 1801?

Great, I live in England.

Patriotic dick fencing contest?

Is it a "Last Man Standing" one?

Patriotic dick fencing contest?

Is it a "Last Man Standing" one?

You win the thread! :p

Great, I live in England.

Then why list your location as the UK if you consider England to be more important?

Patriotic dick fencing contest?

Is it a "Last Man Standing" one?

Except in this one Mythador is measuring up and hopeing he has the smallest.

Then why list your location as the UK if you consider England to be more important?

Technically it's part of the UK, right?

Then why list your location as the UK if you consider England to be more important?

Was worried about space, I'll change it if it makes you feel better.

Except in this one Mythador is measuring up and hopeing he has the smallest.

What I don't understand is why he would come on, COMPLETELY new to the forum, talk shit, try to cover up his own noobness by insulting us, and then do his best imitation of a macac chimpanzee and throw dung in our direction.

Seriously that's how ever god damn thread ends on this forum. Like we're the source the all the worlds problems. I'm tired of taking heat for my governments string of shitty descisions, and then being stereotyped accordingly. The world sees my country as a bunch of fat ignorant assholes, with to much money and time.Meanwhile America's citizen are for the most part like everyone else. I'm sure all of your countries governments have fucked up numerous times aswell, stop complaining, it's not like we're a dictorship or terrorist group. We're more of the asshole friend that everyone talks about about behind their backs :)

If I didn't want America to be bashed, I'd try reading my posts before posting illiterate crap. I mean, we wouldn't want people thinking Americans are ignorant assholes or anything.

You win the thread! :p

Comig from you, I really take that as a compliment. Please tell to the patriot fundie over there that you are also an American patriot before he starts turning on his firespitter.

Except in this one Mythador is measuring up and hopeing he has the smallest.

It needs two to dance, lad, and looks like you are not stepping on his toes, but keeping the pace. :D

Technically it's part of the UK, right?

Yeah, and as such belongs to a nationstate younger than the USA.

It needs two to dance, lad, and looks like you are not stepping on his toes, but keeping the pace. :D

Oh I'm just feeding him. It would be the height of foolishness for me to try and argue that Britain could retain any kind of moral high ground in a comparison of historical events. We really were a bunch of bastards in the past.

What I don't understand is why he would come on, COMPLETELY new to the forum, talk shit, try to cover up his own noobness by insulting us, and then do his best imitation of a macac chimpanzee and throw dung in our direction.

Hey- I guess even "COMPLETELY new" guys can come into a thread and still dominate the oldies huh?

And if by throwing dung you mean facts... then yeah I through a hell of a lot of shit at you and you took it like a man...

suck it my friend... suck it...

Yeah, and as such belongs to a nationstate younger than the USA.

The UK isn't a nationstate. If we're going to be all pedantic then you should know that the massively varied group of people making up the population of the UK prevent it from ever being described as a nationstate.

Haha. Well a couple notes on that, wether I keep an argument "clean" or "dirty" you people would still complain about America cause you cant keep up. And secondly, Im not here to raise my social status with you all, so I dont give 2 shits if you dont like what I say.
First is quality of life: Sweden
First in freedom: Bosnia

seems we CAN keep up with you. Unless it's in national debt. Then, I must admit you are king.


And stick to the point Aelosia...

America has made PLENTY of mistakes... but every other country sure as hell has made MANY MANY MANY more if you want to start comparing countries.

MY POINT = You country has made just as many mistakes as mine (if not many many more...)
Well, well, well, seems we are shifting the goalpost from "your country has made more mistakes" to "your country might have made more mistakes". Why am I not surprised?


Out of curiosity, what country are you from? Or are you not going to tell me? Ahh... come on... you know you wanna...

Oh and to stick to the American sterotyping...

"2nds are always good...."

suck it.... :mp5:
Canada. Wanna compare hom many mistakes we made to how many you made?

@Szanth: Dumbass... we celebrated the initial thanksgiving WITH the natives... learn some history before you talk about it...
That, my patriotic friend is an insult and is against the rules of this forum. If you want to live to a 100 post I suggest you cut it out.

Oh I'm just feeding him. It would be the height of foolishness for me to try and argue that Britain could retain any kind of moral high ground in a comparison of historical events. We really were a bunch of bastards in the past.

My point exactly... I seem to recall me saying in my first post... "Bush is an idiot and American has made a LOT of mistakes"... I still think that... all Im saying is that you guys just bitch about America more cause all the lil dogs are always pissed at the biggest...

I think it's pretty obvious. Anyone who complains about America is offering their own system as a paragon of international virtue, and since every person thinks that they way they live is the only way to live, then they are trumpeting their own way of life, their own culture, and their own country (and their own cause - say, Socialism or Islam or whatever strikes their fancy).

Inescapable.

This is hilarious on so many levels.

You are right, DK. I believe my culture is perfect, and that everyone lives the same way I do.

You are so smart.:)

Well, well, well, seems we are shifting the goalpost from "your country has made more mistakes" to "your country might have made more mistakes". Why am I not surprised?

Canada. Wanna compare hom many mistakes we made to how many you made?

That, my patriotic friend is an insult and is against the rules of this forum. If you want to live to a 100 post I suggest you cut it out.

(1.) Where did I say "might"?

(2.) True. I will give it to Canada... you guys havent made many mistakes... (Unless we include the southpark episode where you bombed the Baldwin's...

(3.) Are you also including their insults about dick size? If not- thats biased.

The UK isn't a nationstate.

How would you describe it? Not as a country, presumably, because you apply that term to 'England'. So that leaves us with 'nation', but it is also used to refer to the four constituent parts of the Union, which is a tad problematic. Would you use the term 'state'?

If we're going to be all pedantic then you should know that the massively varied group of people making up the population of the UK prevent it from ever being described as a nationstate.

Hmmm. Personally I don't view nationstatehood as being determined by the nature of the people of the state, but rather the political structure which binds it together.

My point exactly... I seem to recall me saying in my first post... "Bush is an idiot and American has made a LOT of mistakes"... I still think that... all Im saying is that you guys just bitch about America more cause all the lil dogs are always pissed at the biggest...

No, we get pissy at the USiams because their actions directly impact on us and at the moment they US govt. is doing some monumentally stupid things the make life worse for us.

You should note however that this doesn't mean that we don't complain about the action of our own government, it just seems that you yanks are too self absorbed to notice and only pick up on critisism directed at you.

My point exactly... I seem to recall me saying in my first post... "Bush is an idiot and American has made a LOT of mistakes"... I still think that... all Im saying is that you guys just bitch about America more cause all the lil dogs are always pissed at the biggest...
Show me where Australia has sold weapons to terrorist organisations. Show me another industrialised Western country that is so ridiculously influenced by the religious right. America has the second lowest WHO health level among developed nations. (Who's worse? Latvia...) It's also 24th in literacy.

How would you describe it? Not as a country, presumably, because you apply that term to 'England'. So that leaves us with 'nation', but it is also used to refer to the four constituent parts of the Union, which is a tad problematic. Would you use the term 'state'?



Hmmm. Personally I don't view nationstatehood as being determined by the nature of the people of the state, but rather the political structure which binds it together.

Definition of nation state

http://www.answers.com/topic/nation-state

Show me where Australia has sold weapons to terrorist organisations.

Ohhh come on... Weapons importing/exporting illiegally is in every country... I PROMISE you even in AU there are figures selling weapons to BAD people who are going to do BAD things with them... Arms dealing is everywhere pal...

Definition of nation state

http://www.answers.com/topic/nation-state

So how would you describe the UK?

Hey- I guess even "COMPLETELY new" guys can come into a thread and still dominate the oldies huh?

And if by throwing dung you mean facts... then yeah I through a hell of a lot of shit at you and you took it like a man...

suck it my friend... suck it...

I fail to see your domination, but...

Well, I need to make a question. You asked my country of origin and I was honest, now...

Really, How old are you?

Hey- I guess even "COMPLETELY new" guys can come into a thread and still dominate the oldies huh?

And if by throwing dung you mean facts... then yeah I through a hell of a lot of shit at you and you took it like a man...

suck it my friend... suck it...

If by "dominate the oldies" you mean, be immature and act like you know everything with nothing to back it up, then yes. You can.

Facts? What facts, my friend? We killed the native americans to take their land. It's that simple - no better than a thug on the street who kills you for your jacket. In fact it was worse because we killed them, raped their women, diseased all of them that came in contact with us, and to this day we celebrate the one time when we WEREN'T killing them but don't have a day where we remember those who died so we could create this country - the native americans.

Twist the words all you want, you can't get past it.

Well, I need to make a question. You asked my country of origin and I was honest, now...

Really, How old are you?

I fail to see the importance of age, but ok. 22. I guess while we are on the topic of irrelevance... what is your career vocation?

(1.) Where did I say "might"?
Where you modified your point from:
"America has made PLENTY of mistakes... but every other country sure as hell has made MANY MANY MANY more if you want to start comparing countries. "

to:

"MY POINT = You country has made just as many mistakes as mine (if not many many more...) "

you shifted from a definitive to a maybe.


(2.) True. I will give it to Canada... you guys havent made many mistakes... (Unless we include the southpark episode where you bombed the Baldwin's...
Therefore disprooving your point. And don't even get me started on including fiction into a list of slight. Otherwise, my friend you are indeed fucked with all the mistakes made by US citizens in movies.

(3.) Are you also including their insults about dick size? If not- thats biased.
Their insult about dick size is generally a comment that is not targetted specifically. You said that one specific poster is a dumbass. Therein lies the difference. If they said "Mythador seem to have the smallest dick", then you bet I encourage them right here and now to refrain from the insults.

Facts? What facts, my friend? We killed the native americans to take their land. It's that simple - no better than a thug on the street who kills you for your jacket. In fact it was worse because we killed them, raped their women, diseased all of them that came in contact with us, and to this day we celebrate the one time when we WEREN'T killing them but don't have a day where we remember those who died so we could create this country - the native americans.

Twist the words all you want, you can't get past it.

Listen with your ears my friend... since when have I denied we killed many of the native Americans? Oh yeah... I havent. And FYI, in case you never talked with an indian before on a reservation, our nation does send them money every month wether they work or not. Try visiting some reservations in NM sometime, I have met some who live quite happily on their monthly checks. We gave them a lot of land back and they get cash every month, we at least try to make up for our mistakes...

I fail to see the importance of age, but ok. 22. I guess while we are on the topic of irrelevance... what is your career vocation?

More than a vocation, is a career. I'm a journalist. A press manager and a columnist. Your "vocation"?

Haha. Well I do own several corporations developing software for worldwide distribution. (Who knows... maybe you like playing my games...) Wouldnt that be ironic?

I fail to see the importance of age, but ok. 22. I guess while we are on the topic of irrelevance... what is your career vocation?

Okay, I have to call shenanigans. I find it highly unlikely that a 22 year old could own several corporations developping softwares for worldwide distribution.

One would that would be a first in our day and age.

I'd like a proof. A name I can google. Otherwise, I shall consider you a liar.

Their insult about dick size is generally a comment that is not targetted specifically. You said that one specific poster is a dumbass. Therein lies the difference. If they said "Mythador seem to have the smallest dick", then you bet I encourage them right here and now to refrain from the insults.

So your saying as long as no one is "targeted specifically" they are allowed to say whatever they want? :confused:

Okay, I have to call shenanigans. I find it highly unlikely that a 22 year old could own several corporations developping softwares for worldwide distribution.

One would that would be a first in our day and age.

I'd like a proof. A name I can google. Otherwise, I shall consider you a liar.

Feel free to call shenanigans all you want, doesnt change anything. I can email you my credentials if you so desire, (observing the fact you do not share them with anyone) but Im not going to post them on a political forum where consumers can form a biased opinion about our products based on my political views. I assure you our software is very un political.

Its business my friend, the only reason I posted on here was because I am annonymous.

Oh... and um about a 22 year old owning multiple software corporations... maybe you wonder why I LOVE America so much...

Listen with your ears my friend... since when have I denied we killed many of the native Americans? Oh yeah... I havent. And FYI, in case you never talked with an indian before on a reservation, our nation does send them money every month wether they work or not. Try visiting some reservations in NM sometime, I have met some who live quite happily on their monthly checks. We gave them a lot of land back and they get cash every month, we at least try to make up for our mistakes...

You defended the holiday of Thanksgiving as not being hipocritical and generally a bad idea.

Feel free to call shenanigans all you want, doesnt change anything. I can email you my credentials if you so desire, (observing the fact you do not share them with anyone) but Im not going to post them on a political forum where consumers can form a biased opinion about our products based on my political views. I assure you our software is very un political.

Its business my friend, the only reason I posted on here was because I am annonymous.

Oh... and um about a 22 year old owning multiple software corporations... maybe you wonder why I LOVE America so much...

You do realize that NOBODY on the internet is anonymous, right? Somebody get his IP and do a whois search. :p

Well, I can really care less of what others think of us Americans, call us what you will.

America does a heck of a lot more good than bad. Just remember, all that you call us and claim us to be....You are tenfolds.

If you say we're arrogant then so be it.....You know best......you are so right.

Thank you all for explaining how bad and evil we must be because you all said we are.....thank you so very much for showing me the light.

Also, I hope you can forgive me on my misspellings and grammar. I am so much of an illiterate because YOU said I am.

You know what else us Americans are bad at (if EVERYTHING wasn't enough), our potty mouths.

It must be nice to live in the real world of GREATNESS. America must be the real enemy more greater than that of Bin Laden.

I end by this...............:upyours:

So your saying as long as no one is "targeted specifically" they are allowed to say whatever they want? :confused:

freedom of expression... it is a bitch.

but not everything is fair game. Call for genocide, for example, are not allowed. I suggest you take the time to educate yourself. There is a "One-stop rule shop" in moderation that will answer many of your questions.

You defended the holiday of Thanksgiving as not being hipocritical and generally a bad idea.

I defend the ideals of the holiday as being well founded. I dont condone what happened to the native americans after. But what happened to them was not done by the pilgrims. (The people who did the first thanksgiving.) Therefore the creators of the holiday had a very valid reason to celebrate thanksgiving and I hold with them on that fact.

Feel free to call shenanigans all you want, doesnt change anything. I can email you my credentials if you so desire, (observing the fact you do not share them with anyone) but Im not going to post them on a political forum where consumers can form a biased opinion about our products based on my political views. I assure you our software is very un political.

Its business my friend, the only reason I posted on here was because I am annonymous.

Oh... and um about a 22 year old owning multiple software corporations... maybe you wonder why I LOVE America so much...

You should check your grammar, then, "proud owner of multiple software companies", you're not making your employees gleam.

And I do not need a name. I'll run a search. I'm trained for it.

I actually believe that all this America bashing is done out of jealousy and envy. If as much of the world hates us so much then how come the immigrants are pouring in like crazy. That doesn't look like hate to me.
Maybe it's because those who bash just can't make the trip or maybe it's because your on the terrorist support list that's not allowed in.
I really do think it's because your jealous and envy our so Great and Powerful country God Bless America.
Also note that whosoever points a finger has three more pointing at themselves.
I say if it makes you feel good inside then go right ahead bash bash bash. But remember this if you as a world tells America what or how to do something We say to the hell with that if your big enough then make us.
And for the one who said earlier that the world begged America to vote for Kerry well guess what Bin Laden and al-queda wanted us to vote for Kerry too so Us Americans will be damned if we give into any terrorists, period.
Note for the wise: Focus on your own corrupt governments and your own corrupted views. Any nation that condemns America more than the terrorists are condemned are fools. America will do anything that we see fit whether you like us or not. Good Riddens

God! I think this is the first time i've felt like bashing you USians!!!:p

(won't though)

If we hated it, why do you think we'd spend that much time criticising it? You don't ciritise whom you hate, you criticise who you like, hoping they'll understand what you see is going wrong.

Here, here!

And I do not need a name. I'll run a search. I'm trained for it.

Have fun... Lemme know what you find...

Are you going to apologize when you find out Im right? ;)

Damn... this is like debating about movies with my wife. I like sci-fi and she likes romances... hmm... :p

GREAT!! watch STAR WARS!!!

Feel free to call shenanigans all you want, doesnt change anything. I can email you my credentials if you so desire, (observing the fact you do not share them with anyone) but Im not going to post them on a political forum where consumers can form a biased opinion about our products based on my political views. I assure you our software is very un political.

Its business my friend, the only reason I posted on here was because I am annonymous.

Oh... and um about a 22 year old owning multiple software corporations... maybe you wonder why I LOVE America so much...

You know, being a 21 year old wonder that has many movies under it's belt with a multi-platinium disk under my belt, I don't for one second doubt your credential.

But if you think we will stop buying your softwares based on our opinion of you, then I suggest you

a) look into Bill Gates as a proof of how wrong you are
b) stop posting assinine comments that reflects badly on your company. Your shareholders might be miffed to know they lost half the value on their stock options because you ran your mouth.

Free market, USA and all that. I'm surprised that a 22 year old president of MANY companies isn't aware of that. Also, working on the software business, I'm surprised you still believe that your comments are well and truly anonymous like Szanth so eloquently explained.

I defend the ideals of the holiday as being well founded. I dont condone what happened to the native americans after. But what happened to them was not done by the pilgrims. (The people who did the first thanksgiving.) Therefore the creators of the holiday had a very valid reason to celebrate thanksgiving and I hold with them on that fact.

The pilgrims brought disease, and sent for more people to colonize so that eventually the land -would- be theirs after a semigenocide.

Another thing is....is if you can't beat us by physical strength then let's go to the battle of words.....now that's a battle plan.

and yet again, I say, "God Bless America" God Bless our Troops, and God help the world:)

Have fun... Lemme know what you find...

Are you going to apologize when you find out Im right? ;)

Ehrm, no. You being a 22 years old owner of many software companies is not going to impress me. I'm just going to run the search hoping to satisfy my curiosity. Your statements will still be foolish to my eyes.

Another thing is....is if you can't beat us by physical strength then let's go to the battle of words.....now that's a battle plan.

and yet again, I say, "God Bless America" God Bless our Troops, and God help the world:)

I never understood "God Bless America" - why would you want to hoard all the blessings? Spread the blessings, man.

The pilgrims brought disease, and sent for more people to colonize so that eventually the land -would- be theirs after a semigenocide.

Actually, the wave of disease came before the Mayflower Pilgrims.

By the time they got to Plymouth (in New England), most of the local natives were already dead of diseases like measles. Their diaries note the bones of the dead everywhere, scattered along the trails where people dropped dead, and the "bountiful gift" that God gave to the Pilgrims in the form of food and useful artifacts left behind by the dead natives.

Feel free to call shenanigans all you want, doesnt change anything. I can email you my credentials if you so desire, (observing the fact you do not share them with anyone) but Im not going to post them on a political forum where consumers can form a biased opinion about our products based on my political views. I assure you our software is very un political.

Its business my friend, the only reason I posted on here was because I am annonymous.

Oh... and um about a 22 year old owning multiple software corporations... maybe you wonder why I LOVE America so much...

Nice to meet you Mr. Bill Gates. Allow me to introduce myself. I am Shinzuito, the fearsome ninja assassin.

http://www.gratuitouslylongdomainname.net/PhotoGallery/Ninja%20(Sais).jpg

America does a heck of a lot more good than bad. Just remember, all that you call us and claim us to be....You are tenfolds.

Interesting concept.
Let's see... I'll call you nice people for starters. Then I claim you are generally well educated. I top that by calling you rich. I then end by claiming you are masters of irony.

And that alone makes the group I represent ten times nicer, well educated and richer and all that? Magic! I can't wait to tell that to our government!

The pilgrims brought disease, and sent for more people to colonize so that eventually the land -would- be theirs after a semigenocide.

Haha... Im sure thats exactly what the Puritan pilgrims had in mind the whole time!

"If we get lucky, we can disease them AND then... call for more people who are being religiously persecuted to come over to this wide open new world and maybe one day our childrens, childrens, children will make war with the people who saved our lives!"

"Sounds like a plan to me!"

:)

Sounds like a good conspiracy theory against the pilgrims to me haha.

Another thing is....is if you can't beat us by physical strength then let's go to the battle of words.....now that's a battle plan.

and yet again, I say, "God Bless America" God Bless our Troops, and God help the world:)

If "God" indeed bless "America", then he is an evil god who propagate greed, hate, violence and inequalities. Since I find the concepts to be bad, I find a god backing these concepts to be abhorrent.

If this is indeed THE god that rule our Universe, let me cast my lot with those living in hell. I'd like it better.

"God bless our troops" is the same ilk. Why would god bless those intent on killing?

"God help the world", now that I can agree on.

Haha... Im sure thats exactly what the Puritan pilgrims had in mind the whole time!

"If we get lucky, we can disease them AND then... call for more people who are being religiously persecuted to come over to this wide open new world and maybe one day our childrens, childrens, children will make war with the people who saved our lives!"

"Sounds like a plan to me!"

:)

Sounds like a good conspiracy theory against the pilgrims to me haha.

Unfortunately it's not a conspiracy, it's the gist of what happened.

Okay, I have to call shenanigans. I find it highly unlikely that a 22 year old could own several corporations developping softwares for worldwide distribution.

Any piece of freeware, no matter how minor, when posted on the internet has worldwide distribution. As to how you define 'corporation' - I would suspect that two blokes in a shed if properly legally constituted could qualify.

Free market, USA and all that. I'm surprised that a 22 year old president of MANY companies isn't aware of that. Also, working on the software business, I'm surprised you still believe that your comments are well and truly anonymous like Szanth so eloquently explained.

I didnt say many... I said two. It will be many, but for right now its just two... *sigh*

I never said "might" I never said "many". Stop putting words in my mouth...

Unfortunately it's not a conspiracy, it's the gist of what happened.

Haha. I call bullshit. Thats not close to the gist of what happened.

Don't confuse Bush-bashing with America-bashing.

I have to say that I don't agree with Bush's policies either. But I have seen threads bashing americans for his stupid idea's. Please remember that we have the right to vote here. But trying to vote someone out of office takes alot of time.

Any piece of freeware, no matter how minor, when posted on the internet has worldwide distribution. As to how you define 'corporation' - I would suspect that two blokes in a shed if properly legally constituted could qualify.

I think that qualifies as a "company". As far as I know, a corporation is a network of different groups of two blokes in a shed that properly constitute a company that post material in the internet, all linked together.

that's why I doubt he's the owner of one of those, he doesn't even know the difference between "company" and "corporation".

I rest my case.

AMERICA SUCKS!!!



How would you know? Have you been here?

I hate the color red.

Me too

Any piece of freeware, no matter how minor, when posted on the internet has worldwide distribution. As to how you define 'corporation' - I would suspect that two blokes in a shed if properly legally constituted could qualify.

You bring up a good point, if only it held any validity. Im not developing shareware/freeware or any of the like. Like I said before... "Its business." Haha. I employ a large team not including contractors/freelance and outsourced companies.

I thought this was NS General, where we all bash everything, all the time.

If you believe that there are too many US bashing threads, you obviously haven't been reading enough NS General posts. We bash the French, the Swedes, the Canadians, and the Australians and IIRC, even Lichtenstein comes in for a bit of bashing.

The forum really needs to be renamed, NS Bashing.

At the moment the people leading our country suck and I am all for bashing them. The people however are, for the most part anyway, great.

The people leading all countries suck to someone. Its just that most are totally insignificant.

You bring up a good point, if only it held any validity.

It's valid, it may not be relevant.


JW

fat ignorant assholes
american tourists are some of the most obnoxious ones out there (germans aren't much better). they're frequently the ones that go to a new country, refuse to learn any of the language, refuse to adopt any of the customs, and furthermore put canadian flags on their luggage so they're not branded as americans.

It's valid, it may not be relevant.


JW

Yeah, I didnt word that properly. It was valid, but was not relevant to the case it was insinuating of.

How would you know? Have you been here?

I'm sure most of the ones screeching America sucks have likely never been here, but will pretend they have. You get bitter when you live in mommy's basement, I guess.

So how would you describe the UK?

Probably a state.

america sucks ass!!!!!!
:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: america :upyours:

american tourists are some of the most obnoxious ones out there (germans aren't much better). they're frequently the ones that go to a new country, refuse to learn any of the language, refuse to adopt any of the customs, and furthermore put canadian flags on their luggage so they're not branded as americans.

Yeah- I know-I conduct all my business in my life in English, then have the nerve to go to Italy for a week and not learn Italian. :rolleyes:

Give me a break.

And who the fuck puts any flag on their luggage? Who would want to make believe they were Canadian?

I always got better service when people knew I was American because the people serving me knew they'd be getting a fucking tip.

You think we're obnoxious because thats what you want to think.

america sucks ass!!!!!!
:upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours: america :upyours:

Oh god.

Yeah, I didnt word that properly. It was valid, but was not relevant to the case it was insinuating of.


Out of curiosity what kind of software do you specialise in?

I thought this was NS General, where we all bash everything, all the time.

If you believe that there are too many US bashing threads, you obviously haven't been reading enough NS General posts. We bash the French, the Swedes, the Canadians, and the Australians and IIRC, even Lichtenstein comes in for a bit of bashing.

The forum really needs to be renamed, NS Bashing.

I think we all need to get a life, because we must all have to much time on our hands.

I didnt say many... I said two. It will be many, but for right now its just two... *sigh*

I never said "might" I never said "many". Stop putting words in my mouth...

Actually you said "several" and not only two.

Haha. Well I do own several corporations developing software for worldwide distribution. (Who knows... maybe you like playing my games...) Wouldnt that be ironic?

I merely switched it to many because the OP was complaining about useing them big words to make us look intellage... intellgan... less dumb.

As for "might" you original claim was that any country we may reside in had make MANY, MANY, MANY more mistakes than the USA. You then revised your claim a few posts later and admitted defeat when confronted with the shining beacon of decency that is Canada. (Clearly you haven't bothered to look into our history that much, but who am I to give ammunition to my opponent?)

Yeah- I know-I conduct all my business in my life in English, then have the nerve to go to Italy for a week and not learn Italian. :rolleyes:

Give me a break.

And who the fuck puts any flag on their luggage? Who would want to make believe they were Canadian?

I always got better service when people knew I was American because the people serving me knew they'd be getting a fucking tip.

You think we're obnoxious because thats what you want to think.

What I love is when I go to France, and speak French fluently, they still know you're an American, and the French act like complete pricks.

You know, I go to Germany, and speak German, and everything is great - and I go to the UK and speak English, and everything is just fine. I can even get along a bit in Italian - and the Italians are fine with it.

And I'm never pretending to be anything - it's always clear that I'm an American.

I always got better service when people knew I was American because the people serving me knew they'd be getting a fucking tip.

Some americans are obnoxious precisely because they think everyone is going to treat well because they are americans and can fix everything with a tip.

How would you know? Have you been here?

twice now.
New york and new orleans.

Thoroughly enjoyed New York. Did'nt care much for the food though. AND before anyone argues, i tried dozens of restaurants/eateries/bar while i was there. Both touristy & local.

New Orleans. Enjoyable food. Disliked everything else about that city. Surprisingly racist palce.

Out of curiosity what kind of software do you specialise in?

Entertainment. (Simply put- gaming.) FPS and RTS more specifically. (First Person Shooter and Real Time Strategy for you non gamers.

Yeah- I know-I conduct all my business in my life in English, then have the nerve to go to Italy for a week and not learn Italian. :rolleyes:

Give me a break.
There is a difference between asking politely if people speak english and demanding to be served in english when in Italy.

Then again, people are jerks. Every single one of them.

And who the fuck puts any flag on their luggage? Who would want to make believe they were Canadian?
Seems many people do. There's a kit out there being sold 20$ to look like a Canadian. ;)

I always got better service when people knew I was American because the people serving me knew they'd be getting a fucking tip.
I got the other way around. People asking if I was american and when I said I was Canadian, they'd suggest places to visit. But then, my experience is that attitude is more important than where you're from. If you give a man 10p to call home, he'll give you pointers even if you're from Bulgaria.

You think we're obnoxious because thats what you want to think.
Like I said, people are jerks.

(generalisaiton coming)

WHAT IS IT WITH AMERICANS COMPLAINING!!!
phrase most heard in a hotel with lots of american guests
"I WANT A COMP!"
god damn annoying bastards!!!


Note: this only refers to what i've seen.

Well, this forum seems to be a little misleading. Those who choose to bash America obviously does not speak for the majority.

Far more people like America and our way of Life than those who oppose us.

Yes our government could be a whole lot better than it is but so can the rest of the world's governmental bodies.

Also note, having as much pride as most of us Americans do have is in fact one of the factors that make us Great. For those who think Pride is a bad thing and for those who think that Pride=arrogance. Well, Who cares, you are misinformed and have corrupt thinking.

How is a country to become Great if you have zero pride in your country. To me this sounds like one of many reasons why we are the Lone SuperPower of the World.

woooo hoooooooooo American Pride=Git ir' Done=SuperPower!!!:D

What I love is when I go to France, and speak French fluently, they still know you're an American, and the French act like complete pricks.

You know, I go to Germany, and speak German, and everything is great - and I go to the UK and speak English, and everything is just fine. I can even get along a bit in Italian - and the Italians are fine with it.

And I'm never pretending to be anything - it's always clear that I'm an American.

I'm impressed by your lanquages.

I had a great exchange with a french pick-pocket once. They are capable of being polite, you just need to "enlighten" them.

Haha. Well I do own several corporations developing software for worldwide distribution. (Who knows... maybe you like playing my games...) Wouldnt that be ironic?

Surely the shareholders own corporations?

For those who think Pride is a bad thing and for those who think that Pride=arrogance. Well, Who cares, you are misinformed and have corrupt thinking.

So, the Roman Catholic church are misinformed and have corrupt thinking?

Entertainment. (Simply put- gaming.) FPS and RTS more specifically. (First Person Shooter and Real Time Strategy for you non gamers.

And your favourite game is?

Also note, having as much pride as most of us Americans do have is in fact one of the factors that make us Great. For those who think Pride is a bad thing and for those who think that Pride=arrogance. Well, Who cares, you are misinformed and have corrupt thinking.
oh the irony is killing me.

Surely the shareholders own corporations?

In essence yeah. But Im primary shareholder for both, by a very large margin in fact. Simply put, my vote outweighs anyone/everyone elses combined. Between that fact and the fact I founded both, I was generalising when I said "I own"...

I'm impressed by your lanquages.

I had a great exchange with a french pick-pocket once. They are capable of being polite, you just need to "enlighten" them.

I seem to be able to pick up what I call "street" or "bar" language pretty quickly in any language. Reading and writing is harder.

It also helps to stay there a while - a week is hardly enough time, but a few months, especially if you have local friends who will help you by NOT speaking English, works wonders.

The common phrase I usually hear from people is, "you are an American?" It usually turns out that I'm the first American they've ever spoken to.

oh the irony is killing me.

It doesn't surprise me none coming from a canadian. Seeing how you are canadian......enough said

And your favourite game is?

Not to sound sterotyped... but Halo 2... Now if only I could get good at it...

There is a difference between asking politely if people speak english and demanding to be served in english when in Italy.

Then again, people are jerks. Every single one of them.


Seems many people do. There's a kit out there being sold 20$ to look like a Canadian. ;)


I got the other way around. People asking if I was american and when I said I was Canadian, they'd suggest places to visit. But then, my experience is that attitude is more important than where you're from. If you give a man 10p to call home, he'll give you pointers even if you're from Bulgaria.


Like I said, people are jerks.


People are jerks, I agree. But I wont accept that Amercians are in general.

I've always made a strong attempt to communicate in the host lanquage where I was- I never presume that people should or do speak English. I always assume the attitude of a guest. And maybe my general demeanor brings out the best in most people I deal with- I rarely have problems dealing anywhere I've been-and that goes for here in the US too. I usually get good service, people are usually friendly with me.

I know people and have witnessed people that never seem to get along or be happy with things wherever they are. They seem to go into everything expecting the worst. And seem jsutified when they experience it.

I dont get it. Maybe I project positive thinking inadvertantly?

In essence yeah. But Im primary shareholder for both, by a very large margin in fact. Simply put, my vote outweighs anyone/everyone elses combined. Between that fact and the fact I founded both, I was generalising when I said "I own"...


So when you said "and um about a 22 year old owning multiple software corporations..." by the word 'own' you didn't actually mean 'own', and by the word 'multiple' you meant 'two'?

I seem to be able to pick up what I call "street" or "bar" language pretty quickly in any language. Reading and writing is harder.

It also helps to stay there a while - a week is hardly enough time, but a few months, especially if you have local friends who will help you by NOT speaking English, works wonders.

The common phrase I usually hear from people is, "you are an American?" It usually turns out that I'm the first American they've ever spoken to.

I agree- it pays to pay attention and pick up what you need. I've most often found when I'm making an honest effort to speak their language, many people are more than helpful and switch right to English. I had one guy take his time and say things slowly in Italian and English and basically do what he could to help me out.

Just a side note on Italy too- men and women seemed to be overly polite and dressed way above par. I've felt like I walked into a street fashion show more than once there.

So when you said "and um about a 22 year old owning multiple software corporations..." by the word 'own' you didn't actually mean 'own', and by the word 'multiple' you meant 'two'?

Actually by "own" I meant "founded & controlled". You forget it was me who decided to incorporate the company. Not anyone else. And by "multiple" I meant "more than one". Its not too difficult to comprehend, even for you.

I can simplify even more if you so desire...

Actually by "own" I meant "founded & controlled". You forget it was me who decided to incorporate the company. Not anyone else. And by "multiple" I meant "more than one". Its not too difficult to comprehend, even for you.
I can simplify even more if you so desire...

actually you originally said:


Haha. Well I do own several corporations developing software for worldwide distribution. (Who knows... maybe you like playing my games...) Wouldnt that be ironic?

several = more than 2

Can i ask what games of yours are currently on the market? maybe i've played them.

I was hoping he was CEO of SOE so we could blame SWG's failure on him.

Yeah, acronyms.

EDIT: And EQ2.

I was hoping he was CEO of SOE so we could blame SWG's failure on him.

Yeah, acronyms.

EDIT: And EQ2.

Sorry, not in the MMORPG market. I would love to- but damn they are expensive to run.

You can still blame me for EQ2 if you want... It always good to let those kind of emotions out... buildup never helped anyone...

Sorry, not in the MMORPG market. I would love to- but damn they are expensive to run.

You can still blame me for EQ2 if you want... It always good to let those kind of emotions out... buildup never helped anyone...

*shrugs* I don't like RTS games anyway, I wouldn't know if your company screwed any of them up.

FPS maybe, but only if they're big-name. There are so many crappy little-name fps' running around there it's hard to keep track.

Well, to be technical- the FPS hasnt hit the market. Its in pre production. But its next generation multi-platform... PC and 360.

Wow- I think its official now... this topic has died...

Reasons I love my country:
1. It's my Homeland 2. We're a very hopeful Nation 3. We're very generous 4. Our Freedoms 5. We truly are a Beautiful country 6. We've grown to a Superpower (in relatively a short time) 7. the majorities Love/Faith in God 8. etc..... (NOTE: The numbers do NOT mean...an order of importance!)

Things that I dislike about my country:
1. Our imperfections 2. Both major political parties (democrats/republicans) I feel that both parties should be abolished and an everyday, average Joe gets into office 3. our Foreign policies 4. our border securities (really should be tightened all the way around) 5. Outsourcing to other countries 6. etc... (again, NOTE: numbers are not of any importance)

Overall, Conclusion: I still LOVE my country and my Pride stands tall.

The Entire World, us Americans included, needs to recheck our priorities and all of our Governments needs a good Over haul and Reformation.

Well, to be technical- the FPS hasnt hit the market. Its in pre production. But its next generation multi-platform... PC and 360.

Wow- I think its official now... this topic has died...

Meh, might as well turn it into a video game topic.

Is it multiplayer or singleplayer? If it's singleplayer, be wary of it having a shitty plotline. It's better to just go the Serious Sam route and not have one at all if you just want to have a good shooter.

See I have to disagree with that as a business man. Outsourcing is important for business and other countries...

Reasons I love my country:
1. It's my Homeland 2. We're a very hopeful Nation 3. We're very generous 4. Our Freedoms 5. We truly are a Beautiful country 6. We've grown to a Superpower (in relatively a short time) 7. the majorities Love/Faith in God 8. etc..... (NOTE: The numbers do NOT mean...an order of importance!)

Things that I dislike about my country:
1. Our imperfections 2. Both major political parties (democrats/republicans) I feel that both parties should be abolished and an everyday, average Joe gets into office 3. our Foreign policies 4. our border securities (really should be tightened all the way around) 5. Outsourcing to other countries 6. etc... (again, NOTE: numbers are not of any importance)

Overall, Conclusion: I still LOVE my country and my Pride stands tall.

The Entire World, us Americans included, needs to recheck our priorities and all of our Governments needs a good Over haul and Reformation.

Right, and it's good to love your country so long as you're willing to protect it from its government.

Meh, might as well turn it into a video game topic.

Is it multiplayer or singleplayer? If it's singleplayer, be wary of it having a shitty plotline. It's better to just go the Serious Sam route and not have one at all if you just want to have a good shooter.

Its going to be SP, MP and Co-Op. But its focus will be online play. (Live mainly.) The replayability of a strong MP focus is what we want.

Those who America-Bash are generally too blind to see that their own country has equal, or worse problems....

We had 2 real choices on the ballot for the presidency. So we had two evils and we chose the lesser of the two evils.

If an average Joe was to get on the ballot somehow some way I'd vote for him.
You chose Bush, the guy who has done next to nothing to reduce terrorism against us? Who considered gay marriage to be an issue of importance? Who exploits and perverts religion to get power?

Wouldn't it depend on average Joe's policies? If Joe was a socialist would you vote for him?

Hell let them claim it. The Jews tried that on a few thousand years ago and look it the ride they've had :p
At least their holy book backed them up on the claim!

America bashing by Europeans = European Nationalism
Sometimes, but not always.

Anyone who complains about America is offering their own system as a paragon of international virtue
Even if they don't claim so?

But then again... all the rest of the world has still made a hell of a lot more bad decisions than we have... Why? Cause your all still 2nd and 3rd world countries in comparison to us.
That isn't true. The average American ghetto is probably worse than the average European ghetto.

I notice you guys can only respond to me posting a gun toting smiley face... Tell me what country you are from and we can do a little history comparison and see where we all line up... Come on... you know you wanna...
Ireland. We also won independence from imperial Britain, but unlike America, we decided never to be consumed by pride and become imperialists.

Also as History has claimed the title to occupying other nations does indeed belong to Great Britain They have occupied a hell of a lot more nations than the USA has.
You're not exactly in a position to complain abut occupying nations.

Have you overlooked the fact that the United Kingdom has only existed since 1801?
Actually if you're going to use that logic it has only existed in its current form since 1921.

It doesn't surprise me none coming from a canadian. Seeing how you are canadian......enough said

and the irony keeps on rolling!
Someone complaining about people stereotyping US citizen who is steroetyping a Canadian. This is precious. I should keep it on file somewhere.

See I have to disagree with that as a business man. Outsourcing is important for business and other countries...

Important how? Businesses were doing just fine before with just hiring American workers.

Its going to be SP, MP and Co-Op. But its focus will be online play. (Live mainly.) The replayability of a strong MP focus is what we want.

Maybe I can help you program some fearsome ninja moves in there...Me being a fearsome ninja assassin and all.
Did I ever tell you about the time I killed Bruce Lee?

Someone complaining about people stereotyping US citizen who is steroetyping a Canadian. This is precious. I should keep it on file somewhere.

Sounds good. Though you'd have to refer to it so often, it'd be more to the point to include it in your sig (which I can't read, as I have sigs turned off, but hey)

Dude, quit your whining (http://home.maine.rr.com/waassaap/Forum%20Pictures/boofuckinhoo.jpg) already. It's not like everyone associates ALL people from a race with sterotypes or bad things seen on the news/bad government decisions.

Everyone is different no matter what nation they're from. People only bash cos they get a rise from it (like you rising to it here).

Basically, man up an' quit bitching. Deal with it already and move on.

The forum really needs to be renamed, NS Bashing.
lol
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3/garyscott/avatar440937me.gif

You think we're obnoxious because thats what you want to think.
Why would we want to think that American tourists were obnoxious if they weren't?

What I love is when I go to France, and speak French fluently, they still know you're an American, and the French act like complete pricks.
It's OK, they do that to everybody.

The common phrase I usually hear from people is, "you are an American?" It usually turns out that I'm the first American they've ever spoken to.
I recently came across my first ever Israeli.

I've always made a strong attempt to communicate in the host lanquage where I was- I never presume that people should or do speak English.
That's good of you, much better than the stereotypical American tourist.

Important how? Businesses were doing just fine before with just hiring American workers.

Oh Im not saying business wasnt running fine before, Im just saying there are many benefits both for a company and for foreign countries that are available through outsourcing that were not available even a few years ago.

The internet changes everything...

I love these threads... I really do :D *grabs popcorn*

What I love is when I go to France, and speak French fluently, they still know you're an American, and the French act like complete pricks.

Maybe it's just your personality. :D

Oh Im not saying business wasnt running fine before, Im just saying there are many benefits both for a company and for foreign countries that are available through outsourcing that were not available even a few years ago.

The internet changes everything...

Yeah, but it's driven by greed. Why make little kids in Indonesia make Nike sneakers instead of Americans in American factories? Because it's cheaper and you don't have to worry about those silly labor laws.

If it were a case of "they're simply more qualified, so we're going to pay them just as much as we'd pay an American, and treat them equally, making sure they have a comfortable working environment" then I'd be fine with it, but it's not.

I love these threads... I really do :D *grabs popcorn*

Maybe it's just your personality. :D

No, I think it's the French. I never have any problems in other countries.

Yeah, but it's driven by greed. Why make little kids in Indonesia make Nike sneakers instead of Americans in American factories? Because it's cheaper and you don't have to worry about those silly labor laws.

If it were a case of "they're simply more qualified, so we're going to pay them just as much as we'd pay an American, and treat them equally, making sure they have a comfortable working environment" then I'd be fine with it, but it's not.

I will agree with you on that, I think there is good and bad outsourcing. In the software industry its quite different than kids making sneakers.

We find talent (for example an artist), we are suddenly opening our doors to not just local talent but worldwide talent, international artists are willing to work for less because cost of living in their country is cheaper and they are given opportunities to work with a US corp they would not be available to in their country. (Great resume boosting material and work for them. Broader talent pool to draw from for us, and saves us time and money.) Hard to pass up.

Yeah, but it's driven by greed. Why make little kids in Indonesia make Nike sneakers instead of Americans in American factories? Because it's cheaper and you don't have to worry about those silly labor laws.

If it were a case of "they're simply more qualified, so we're going to pay them just as much as we'd pay an American, and treat them equally, making sure they have a comfortable working environment" then I'd be fine with it, but it's not.

And it's not the manufacturing jobs going overseas now. It's the IT jobs, the ones all the factory workers were supposed to train for when their jobs disappeared. I can attest to this as someone who works in this field and who's afraid of her job flying away to New Delhi or Pune or Bangalore every day. The guys over there are fine fellows but they are not as qualified as I and my colleagues here are. What makes them attractive is their low salaries, generally 1/4 of mine. All the executives making these decisions care about is showing a savings on the bottom line, and then pocketing the bonus that gets them. They could care less about the US worker.

No, I think it's the French. I never have any problems in other countries.

Look who's stereotyping now, you hypocritical Yankee!

Seriously though, the French I've met have been some of the nicest people I've ever known.

The guys over there are fine fellows but they are not as qualified as I and my colleagues here are. What makes them attractive is their low salaries, generally 1/4 of mine. All the executives making these decisions care about is showing a savings on the bottom line, and then pocketing the bonus that gets them. They could care less about the US worker.

Not entirely true, but it can be. I have found in the software business, many candidates overseas who were far more qualified for work than their US counterparts.

And secondly you cant quote the fact they cost less than you as a valid reason. Cost of living is everything. For example, a game developer in Texas makes less than a game developer in California to do the exact same job. But 60% of Texas game developers own their own home. Its around 15-20% for those in California. Cost of living effects pay in the US and overseas...

A developer in Texas cant complain about making less than a Cali developer cause technically, its more advantageous for him thanks to the cost of living. Same overseas.

Not entirely true, but it can be. I have found in the software business, many candidates overseas who were far more qualified for work than their US counterparts.
I suppose it's possible, it hasn't been my experience.

And secondly you cant quote the fact they cost less than you as a valid reason. Cost of living is everything. For example, a game developer in Texas makes less than a game developer in California to do the exact same job. But 60% of Texas game developers own their own home. Its around 15-20% for those in California. Cost of living effects pay in the US and overseas...

A developer in Texas cant complain about making less than a Cali developer cause technically, its more advantageous for him thanks to the cost of living. Same overseas.

You lost me with the comparison between a California developer and a texas developer. Cost of living is certainly a factor, indeed, that's why programmers in India are attractive, their cost of living dictates lower salaries.

Okay, so who do we stop America from bashing now?

How about we stop America from bashing that woman Sheehan? She's been figuratively slapped around for a few years, now.

So - stop it, already!

Not entirely true, but it can be. I have found in the software business, many candidates overseas who were far more qualified for work than their US counterparts.

And secondly you cant quote the fact they cost less than you as a valid reason. Cost of living is everything. For example, a game developer in Texas makes less than a game developer in California to do the exact same job. But 60% of Texas game developers own their own home. Its around 15-20% for those in California. Cost of living effects pay in the US and overseas...

A developer in Texas cant complain about making less than a Cali developer cause technically, its more advantageous for him thanks to the cost of living. Same overseas.

And I'm fine with it when they're more qualified and are paid appropriately, but many times they're not. Dell went nuts for a while with hiring a bunch of people from India, and people hated calling tech support and not being able to understand the guy's accent. Their resume isn't the only qualification you need to take into consideration.

Seriously that's how ever god damn thread ends on this forum. Like we're the source the all the worlds problems. I'm tired of taking heat for my governments string of shitty descisions, and then being stereotyped accordingly. The world sees my country as a bunch of fat ignorant assholes, with to much money and time.Meanwhile America's citizen are for the most part like everyone else. I'm sure all of your countries governments have fucked up numerous times aswell, stop complaining, it's not like we're a dictorship or terrorist group. We're more of the asshole friend that everyone talks about about behind their backs :)

However, your delightful nation does afford influence to "endtimers" and other such fundamentalist Christian wackos......

And I'm fine with it when they're more qualified and are paid appropriately, but many times they're not. Dell went nuts for a while with hiring a bunch of people from India, and people hated calling tech support and not being able to understand the guy's accent. Their resume isn't the only qualification you need to take into consideration.

This is true. In development, the 11 1/2 hour time difference plays hell with communications. You send them an assignment, they don't see it until you've gone home. They ask a question, you do't see it until they've gone home. Two days to answer a question, or one side or the other has to start coming in before dawn or working until late at night. I have no doubt that if I were in their office or they were in mine, we'd all get used to each other's accents and that would cease to be an issue, but we're on opposite sides of the globe and we don't have enough personally contact, so the accents remain a major issue.

I suppose it's possible, it hasn't been my experience.

You lost me with the comparison between a California developer and a texas developer. Cost of living is certainly a factor, indeed, that's why programmers in India are attractive, their cost of living dictates lower salaries.

Not to question your work experience or your knowledge of outsourcing, but in my experience in outsourcing (as someone from the other end of the spectrum) there are many qualified candidate overseas who are quite superior to US workers. Granted the vast majority are from America, but there is still a huge market of extremely talented people overseas that are far ahead of many american workers.

The comparison about TX and CA is that a CA developer makes more than a TX developer for the same job and no one complains. So why do they complain when a US worker makes more than an Indian worker who does the same job? Cost of living is what dictates how much someone makes.

FYI- I have never outsourced to India. All of my outsourcing has been to Europe.

However, your delightful nation does afford influence to "endtimers" and other such fundamentalist Christian wackos......

And that wonderful person telling Ugandans that the way to a better life is not education or politics or reform but the Bible......

This is true. In development, the 11 1/2 hour time difference plays hell with communications. You send them an assignment, they don't see it until you've gone home. They ask a question, you do't see it until they've gone home. Two days to answer a question, or one side or the other has to start coming in before dawn or working until late at night. I have no doubt that if I were in their office or they were in mine, we'd all get used to each other's accents and that would cease to be an issue, but we're on opposite sides of the globe and we don't have enough personally contact, so the accents remain a major issue.

Actually in India, most outsourcing companies (like those who work for Dell etc.) work graveyard shifts that way they are working when America is working. So there really isnt a time issue.

Neb Tsenks:

No, but they are that and "indignation" aren't really everyday words, I've noticed people that slip in vocabulary words into their conversations are attempting to appear smarter than who they are talking to.

No. Un-right Neb. Big words is double-plus good. No plus-English learn is double-plus un-good. You see Neb?

I have no problems with US citizens, they have as much right to be (**expletive here**) as the rest of us.

However, I will continue to (verbally) bash the US military as long as they continue to (physically) bash allied troops abroad, ignore national borders, and disregard United Nations decrees. Just ease back...

As a side note, I find the name 'American' to be quite the misnomer. Technically, an American is anyone living west of Olinda,Brazil; and east of Atta,Alaska. I propose that these individuals, formerly known as 'Americans', hencforth change their name to; 'The United', 'Statesmen', 'Us' or some such...

Who's with me?

As a side note, I find the name 'American' to be quite the misnomer. Technically, an American is anyone living west of Olinda,Brazil; and east of Atta,Alaska. I propose that these individuals, formerly known as 'Americans', hencforth change their name to; 'The United', 'Statesmen', 'Us' or some such...

Who's with me?

Oh dear sweet Jebus not again.....

As a side note, I find the name 'American' to be quite the misnomer. Technically, an American is anyone living west of Olinda,Brazil; and east of Atta,Alaska. I propose that these individuals, formerly known as 'Americans', hencforth change their name to; 'The United', 'Statesmen', 'Us' or some such...

Who's with me?

We've had this debate several times. "American" is the generally accepted word used to refer to citizens of the United States. The citizens of no other country in the Americas refer to themselves that way. And I'm not sure what the Forum Modertors' position on starting the whole "USian" thing again is, but I'm not in the mood for it. :rolleyes:

No. Un-right Neb. Big words is double-plus good. No plus-English learn is double-plus un-good. You see Neb?

I have no problems with US citizens, they have as much right to be (**expletive here**) as the rest of us.

However, I will continue to (verbally) bash the US military as long as they continue to (physically) bash allied troops abroad, ignore national borders, and disregard United Nations decrees. Just ease back...

As a side note, I find the name 'American' to be quite the misnomer. Technically, an American is anyone living west of Olinda,Brazil; and east of Atta,Alaska. I propose that these individuals, formerly known as 'Americans', hencforth change their name to; 'The United', 'Statesmen', 'Us' or some such...

Who's with me?

Upon the issue of diction, certainly. The conduct of the US armed forces, unequivocally.

However, the term of reference should remain.

We've had this debate several times. "American" is the generally accepted word used to refer to citizens of the United States. The citizens of no other country in the Americas refer to themselves that way. And I'm not sure what the Forum Modertors' position on starting the whole "USian" thing again is, but I'm not in the mood for it. :rolleyes:

Correction. The ruling on the field is that this is a taboo subject and that you can use whatever term you want to refer to US of A citizen. The general rule is: use whatever you feel like, but don't go complaining on what other posters use.

Let's not go into that debate again or else we will feel the wrath of the mods.

Correction. The ruling on the field is that this is a taboo subject and that you can use whatever term you want to refer to US of A citizen. The general rule is: use whatever you feel like, but don't go complaining on what other posters use.

Let's not go into that debate again or else we will feel the wrath of the mods.

I quite agree, I was merely pointing that out. It should be a banishable offense on Mondays.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11695407&postcount=6

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I quite agree, I was merely pointing that out. It should be a banishable offense on Mondays.

yeah but you went and added:
"The citizens of no other country in the Americas refer to themselves that way"

which is not true. We just don't refer to ourselves as American in a country sense. We do refer ourselves to american in a continental sense, however.

But I've railroaded this thread on one of my pet issue quite enough. I'll drop it. You are welcomed to one last parting shot. ;)

Ooooh Taboo! My bad, I haven't yet read the forums in their entirety... As my massive post count of four demonstrates.

Very well then, carry on.:headbang:

Ooooh Taboo! My bad, I haven't yet read the forums in their entirety... As my massive post count of four demonstrates.

Very well then, carry on.:headbang:

No harm, no foul. You just got lucky and pushed a hot button.

Welcome to the forum, by the way.

yeah but you went and added:
"The citizens of no other country in the Americas refer to themselves that way"

which is not true. We just don't refer to ourselves as American in a country sense. We do refer ourselves to american in a continental sense, however.

But I've railroaded this thread on one of my pet issue quite enough. I'll drop it. You are welcomed to one last parting shot. ;)

Rain check? :D

Rain check? :D

sure :)

Ireland. We also won independence from imperial Britain, but unlike America, we decided never to be consumed by pride and become imperialists.

Now all you need to do is shut down the flights through Shannon.

Actually if you're going to use that logic it has only existed in its current form since 1921.

Certainly, but it was the UK prior to 1921, whereas it wasn't the UK prior to 1801. In other words, the UK didn't exist until the turn of the nineteenth century, and has continued to exist in some manner or form since then.

The citizens of no other country in the Americas refer to themselves that way.

Again that is a lie quickly spreaded on these forums. Before leaving this argument for good, I will clarify that the citizens of other countries (and I say it as a citizen of one of said countries) also refer themselves as "americanos" or "americans".

However, the reiterative negative of the citizens of the USA to recognize (or even heard, I have seen that argument several times on these forums and each time someone refer to the point, they say "The citizens of no other country in the Americas refer to themselves that way") said claim, is another show of their international blindness, I guess.

Again that is a lie quickly spreaded on these forums. Before leaving this argument for good, I will clarify that the citizens of other countries (and I say it as a citizen of one of said countries) also refer themselves as "americanos" or "americans".

However, the reiterative negative of the citizens of the USA to recognize (or even heard, I have seen that argument several times on these forums and each time someone refer to the point, they say "The citizens of no other country in the Americas refer to themselves that way") said claim, is another show of their international blindness, I guess.
Please, please, PLEASE not again!

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16997

Please, please, PLEASE not again!

Finished.

For the most part, regarding the main issue of this thread, I do not accept the reasons to "bash" the USA and its citizens. After all, they are a country far away from being the worst of the spectrum out there, in my humble opinion. However, if "bashing" is seen as highlighting certain flaws that, in the personal view of every person, certain social conglomerate seems to show (social conglomerates, not individuals), then a certain bashing is in order, as no country is going to be accepted without critics.

Technically, an American is anyone living west of Olinda,Brazil; and east of Atta,Alaska.

So, anybody living in the British Antarctic Territories, for example, is an American?

I'm English and i much prefer the USA to England. Infact i prefer most countries to England. Except Scotland, silly country. Wales is a good country thought, Very good at their welshness.

What was this thread about, again?
Oh yeah. America bashing, or more correctly, United States bashing, while fun to do, is just a phase the world is going through. As long as there is a world power, millions will be opposed to it. Britain had it, Rome had it, hell, the Ottomans probably had it. I could probably say it's justified because I'm not "American", it might be, it might not. One thing's for sure: we'll all be having this exact same discussion about China in a decade or two.



Oh, and because I'm Canadian: Screw America!!

What was this thread about, again?
Oh yeah. America bashing, or more correctly, United States bashing, while fun to do, is just a phase the world is going through. As long as there is a world power, millions will be opposed to it. Britain had it, Rome had it, hell, the Ottomans probably had it. I could probably say it's justified because I'm not "American", it might be, it might not. One thing's for sure: we'll all be having this exact same discussion about China in a decade or two.



Oh, and because I'm Canadian: Screw America!!

It'll be a little more than a few decades before China is in this position. After all, they'll have tha tdynamo that is the EU to contend with.

Oh-and I'm sorry to hear you're Canadian. They're working on a cure.

*bash*

Finished.

For the most part, regarding the main issue of this thread, I do not accept the reasons to "bash" the USA and its citizens. After all, they are a country far away from being the worst of the spectrum out there, in my humble opinion. However, if "bashing" is seen as highlighting certain flaws that, in the personal view of every person, certain social conglomerate seems to show (social conglomerates, not individuals), then a certain bashing is in order, as no country is going to be accepted without critics.

Thats fine with me- I can listen to and understand criticism. We all make mistakes, some people cant understand or accept the way of life of other people, etc...
There are many people that have a strong bias against the US, for whatever reasons and NS general seems to be a good place for them to constantly voice it.

Oh-and I'm sorry to hear you're Canadian. They're working on a cure.
Comedic gold!

Hey, wait a minute! I think I resent that!

I handsomely accept this exquizit opportunity to join the bashing of America!

Stereotypically, americans walk around living in their little own world, where nothing exists outside of - really the United States.
Since they've been surprised by some angry foreigners at certain times, because of their total lack of even subtlety in their politics to dominate everybody else in the world, it's apparent that americans do not deserve any more than being treated for egocentric pricks.
It may be that there's a vast majority even, of americans who actually are able to think for themselves, and it's possible that their current elected politicians do have some good abilities before all within the realm of internal politics, but the still have been elected by the very same people who claim respect. Since politics are part of reality very much, however, I cannot extend any understanding because of the impact of the result of such an election.
Forgiveness can still be found of course, in the completely mindless values that allow people to think of guns as something positive, even though they've been subconsciously dictated by the massive weapons industry of the US, that may actually be so powerful that it causes an uncomprehendable amount of death and war worldwide.
With the fear that those with the most power spread around in the US at all times, it's no wonder that a country turns out the way this one has.

So ultimately, I guess there really isn't all that much effect in sensibility left for people somewhat in their right minds living in this country- since they apparently aren't even able to get the majority in elections. The regard of human value in the US has also been degraded to the most abysmal.

It is therefore nothing I can say to encourage or to be positive. I want to offer my :fluffle: to all those in desperate need of escape from this most evil empire the world has known since World War 2.
But being so extremely sad and desperate about the current situation, I still have to let go of my code as a civilized person:

:upyours: FUCK THE US!

Thats fine with me- I can listen to and understand criticism. We all make mistakes, some people cant understand or accept the way of life of other people, etc...
There are many people that have a strong bias against the US, for whatever reasons and NS general seems to be a good place for them to constantly voice it.

NS american community seems to be a sensitive conglomerate too, as it takes criticism as bias.

Not denying what you said, and not targeting at you specifically..

actually when was the last time there was a thread "bashing" the USA?

It'll be a little more than a few decades before China is in this position. After all, they'll have tha tdynamo that is the EU to contend with.

Oh-and I'm sorry to hear you're Canadian. They're working on a cure.


You're so lucky I can't think of a comeback to that...

NS american community seems to be a sensitive conglomerate too, as it takes criticism as bias.

Not denying what you said, and not targeting at you specifically..

Thanks.

Keep in mind, there is a steady avalanche of criticism. Wether its deserved or not doesnt matter much anymore. Its difficult to observe when you are a person that treats others the way you want to be treated and do what you think is good for you and others. And know that you represent the majority.

You're so lucky I can't think of a comeback to that...

You dont have to- I simply said it for a laugh-I joke about myself as much as anyone or any nationality.

I have nothing at all against Canada or Canadians. Except for maybe the very few individuals in here that are never short of anti American venom.

My experience with Canada and Canadians in the real world has been great so far. Both in Canada and the US.

I handsomely accept this exquizit opportunity to join the bashing of America!

Stereotypically, americans walk around living in their little own world, where nothing exists outside of - really the United States.
Since they've been surprised by some angry foreigners at certain times, because of their total lack of even subtlety in their politics to dominate everybody else in the world, it's apparent that americans do not deserve any more than being treated for egocentric pricks.
It may be that there's a vast majority even, of americans who actually are able to think for themselves, and it's possible that their current elected politicians do have some good abilities before all within the realm of internal politics, but the still have been elected by the very same people who claim respect. Since politics are part of reality very much, however, I cannot extend any understanding because of the impact of the result of such an election.
Forgiveness can still be found of course, in the completely mindless values that allow people to think of guns as something positive, even though they've been subconsciously dictated by the massive weapons industry of the US, that may actually be so powerful that it causes an uncomprehendable amount of death and war worldwide.
With the fear that those with the most power spread around in the US at all times, it's no wonder that a country turns out the way this one has.

So ultimately, I guess there really isn't all that much effect in sensibility left for people somewhat in their right minds living in this country- since they apparently aren't even able to get the majority in elections. The regard of human value in the US has also been degraded to the most abysmal.

It is therefore nothing I can say to encourage or to be positive. I want to offer my :fluffle: to all those in desperate need of escape from this most evil empire the world has known since World War 2.
But being so extremely sad and desperate about the current situation, I still have to let go of my code as a civilized person:

:upyours: FUCK THE US!

(an excerpt from his thesis in Applied Jackassery.)

The weird thing is you think people would of learnt by now to make flags inflammable

Of course, you know that "inflammable" means it will burn, right?

May I just say that you're all jealous and our military can kick the shit out of your military. Now I think I'll go use up my American-sized share of the world's resources. In conclusion, USA! USA! USA!

:sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:
God Bless America!
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"The North American enemies of my people are also the enemies of the North American people."

-Pablo Neruda, while visiting New York.

May I just say that you're all jealous and our military can kick the shit out of your military. Now I think I'll go use up some resources. In conclusion, USA! USA! USA!

:sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:
God Bless America!

spoken like a true n00b! I couldn't have made a better imitation myself.

May I just say that you're all jealous and our military can kick the shit out of your military. Now I think I'll go use up some resources. In conclusion, USA! USA! USA!

:sniper: :sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5: :mp5: :upyours: :upyours: :upyours:
God Bless America!
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The most bitter criticism does come from those who cant bear to come to the conclusion that they are no longer significant financially,technologically or militarily. They do squawk the loudest.

I agree- God Bless America. And despite the constant criticism, I do hope we continue to assist people around the world that need it, that we are the first and most generous to aid those when they need it most.

The most bitter criticism does come from those who cant bear to come to the conclusion that they are no longer significant financially,technologically or militarily. They do squawk the loudest.

I agree- God Bless America. And despite the constant criticism, I do hope we continue to assist people around the world that need it, that we are the first and most generous to aid those when they need it most.

Yeah, America has done a lot of good work, but lately all people see is the torture photos, the needless war in Iraq, and the Bush administration trampling on the constitution. We can't rest on what our nation's done in the past. We've got to clean up our act now and look to the future.

I agree, but resorting to savagery need not be necessary. Hell, look at Gandhi, MLK, etc.

What ever happened to those guys?

Yeah, America has done a lot of good work, but lately all people see is the torture photos, the needless war in Iraq, and the Bush administration trampling on the constitution. We can't rest on what our nation's done in the past. We've got to clean up our act now and look to the future.

Unfortunately, one bad event-even a percieved bad event- does overshadow a mountain of good work.

The New World Order is upon us.

Around the world, the political right are getting into power.

Canada, Sweden and Germany this month.

Japan is rivising its pacifist constitution.

Middle East conflict will expand to Iran and Syria.

In Britain, it is either vote the Right with Tony, or the Right with David. In USA it is vote the Right with Bush, or vote the Right with Hiliary thats if Bush doesn't get his 3rd term at this rate might happen.

This has been going on for centuries within all major geopolitical powers like the catholitic church, Rothchilds and other great banking families and others too.

We are all screwed.

Unfortunately, one bad event-even a percieved bad event- does overshadow a mountain of good work.

What is unfortunate is that there isn't just one bad event, and even if there was just one it is enough to change people's perceptions about us.

EDIT: Misread does as doesn't. Sorry.

The New World Order is upon us.

I wouldn't mind a little New order, myself...

Around the world, the political right are getting into power.

As the left and right have been changing power from and to each other since the terms were invented. This is nothing new. Indeed, half the time the right is gaining power from another party(s) of the right.

Canada, Sweden and Germany this month.

Canada? More people voted Liberal/NDP than Conservative. Sweden? The 'right' are pretty moderate centre right. Germany? Hasn't been a federal election this year.

Japan is rivising its pacifist constitution.

Won't happen. Opposition won't allow it and it would be defeated in a referendum. Even the LDp probably don't want it. Ignore Koizumi dick waving.

Middle East conflict will expand to Iran and Syria.

Won't come to that.

In Britain, it is either vote the Right with Tony, or the Right with David. In USA it is vote the Right with Bush, or vote the Right with Hiliary thats if Bush doesn't get his 3rd term at this rate might happen.

Proving my point #2.

This has been going on for centuries within all major geopolitical powers like the catholitic church, Rothchilds and other great banking families and others too.

Eek! I forgot my foil hat!

We are all screwed.

Well. I live in the UK. So yes.

You dont have to- I simply said it for a laugh-I joke about myself as much as anyone or any nationality.

I have nothing at all against Canada or Canadians. Except for maybe the very few individuals in here that are never short of anti American venom.

My experience with Canada and Canadians in the real world has been great so far. Both in Canada and the US.

Thankyou. That's the general vibe we're going for:D

The most bitter criticism does come from those who cant bear to come to the conclusion that they are no longer significant financially,technologically or militarily. They do squawk the loudest.

I agree- God Bless America. And despite the constant criticism, I do hope we continue to assist people around the world that need it, that we are the first and most generous to aid those when they need it most.

yeah! remember how generous the US was during the Tsunami at first......

Unfortunately, one bad event-even a percieved bad event- does overshadow a mountain of good work.

One bad event???

I personally don't view the US in a bad light. BUT there have been a moutain of bad events and one good event for a while

I will "bash" USAmerica as long as USAmericans give me a reason to do so.

I will "bash" USAmerica as long as USAmericans give me a reason to do so.

so for a while then?

What is unfortunate is that there isn't just one bad event, and even if there was just one it is enough to change people's perceptions about us.

EDIT: Misread does as doesn't. Sorry.

Dont be too concerned about their perceptions. None of them would be suited to cast stones for a thousand years.

yeah! remember how generous the US was during the Tsunami at first......

Yes-more and faster than most others combined

Dont be too concerned about their perceptions. None of them would be suited to cast stones for a thousand years.

This is a silly position to take. Non-USAmericans should refrain from criticising because they're not perfect themselves? The difference is that we acknowledge we're not perfect and make attempts to right it. As I've said, as long as there is reason to criticise you, there is no reason why I shouldn't.

Yes-more and faster than most others combined

oh yeah you guys got there fast. Respect to the US for that. Also for the huge sums of money that went in.

But at the start, bush promised pocket change. Hell sweden had promised more money! The amount only increased after a few countries criticised the US.

One bad event???

I personally don't view the US in a bad light. BUT there have been a moutain of bad events and one good event for a while

You misunderstood or I didnt make it clear enough-I didnt mean there was just one bad event, I was speaking as to how impossible it is to overcome one bad event.

We are constantly doing good, but we are held to a far higher standard than most.

This is a silly position to take. Non-USAmericans should refrain from criticising because they're not perfect themselves? The difference is that we acknowledge we're not perfect and make attempts to right it. As I've said, as long as there is reason to criticise you, there is no reason why I shouldn't.

Actually that's wrong. We admit we did things wrong (especially in europe) and we've been working on ways to correct our mistakes for decades.
The USA is still making huge mistakes.

oh yeah you guys got there fast. Respect to the US for that. Also for the huge sums of money that went in.

But at the start, bush promised pocket change. Hell sweden had promised more money! The amount only increased after a few countries criticised the US.

He promised our dedicated assistance and named a dollar amount early on-we had men and material there almost immediately.
In the first few days, no one could acurately judge the whole scope of the disaster, suffering and loss. We gave and are still giving far more than the initial pledge. And far more than most others combined.
The amount increased when the need was more recognized, not by the incessant chattering.

You misunderstood or I didnt make it clear enough-I didnt mean there was just one bad event, I was speaking as to how impossible it is to overcome one bad event.

We are constantly doing good, but we are held to a far higher standard than most.

no. you (USA, not you personally of course ;) ) are held to the standards of a democratic wealthy country. Yes there is hipocracy (moaning if the US involves itself, moaning if it does'nt), but the US was once viewed as a positive force, and its not at the moment.

The amount increased when the need was more recognized, not by the incessant chattering.

:rolleyes: mmmmmm.
the amount of dead increased by about a thousand and bush thinks thats the moment to increase aid by a factor of 10?
sorry don't believe it.

This is a silly position to take. Non-USAmericans should refrain from criticising because they're not perfect themselves? The difference is that we acknowledge we're not perfect and make attempts to right it. As I've said, as long as there is reason to criticise you, there is no reason why I shouldn't.

No-It is easy for you to keep blabbering on and on-talk is cheap, less mistakes are made when nothing at all is done.

You shouldnt refrain from criticizing-not because you're not perfect, but because you've done far worse for longer.

.... (moaning if the US involves itself, moaning if it does'nt), but the US was once viewed as a positive force, and its not at the moment.


by an opportunistic,vocal minority,desperately trying to smear and taint, with a ton of assistance from the press.

by an opportunistic,vocal minority,desperately trying to smear and taint, with a ton of assistance from the press.

no, but a substantial minority or slight majority in alot of countries.

Alot of people are pissed of with the US. In a way this forum gives you an idea (slightly warped though, but that NS). We like the people but dislike the government.

I will "bash" USAmerica as long as USAmericans give me a reason to do so.


Kinda like an ant humping an elephant. Not much enjoyment for the ant and the elephant doesn't even notice.

no, but a substantial minority or slight majority in alot of countries.

Alot of people are pissed of with the US. In a way this forum gives you an idea (slightly warped though, but that NS). We like the people but dislike the government.

Keep in mind a large portion of this forum are minors-children whom feel the same way about their parents as they do about The US.

Don't confuse Bush-bashing with America-bashing.

Well said! And please don't reiterate with oh but Bush represents America cos he was elected by the people, becuase not everyone voted for him or agrees with him. American as a country is great, most of the people are great. If you take all the Bush bashing to heart, then leave NS general and go to role playing. America is one of the most dominant countries in the world. As a result people are bound to talk about its policies,failures, its relations to international institutions. If you can't handle this than a) change nationality b) as I've mentioned already leave NS general c) cop on a realise it isn't all about you!

Keep in mind a large portion of this forum are minors-children whom feel the same way about their parents as they do about The US.

well that makes no sense. Generally children prefer direct action.


And in the last five years i'm the only european i know that is actually not anti-US Gov/ Bush.

No-It is easy for you to keep blabbering on and on-talk is cheap, less mistakes are made when nothing at all is done.

You shouldnt refrain from criticizing-not because you're not perfect, but because you've done far worse for longer.

Hahahaha. What amazing, short-sighted arrogance.

Hey, if people can't criticize the US on it's policies because no-one is perfect, then shouldn't the US similarly stay out of the business of people like....ohhhh, Iran for example?


So what if they harbour terrorists, fund insurgencies, build WMD, or threaten middle eastern countries. After all, those seem to be the things to do these days!


Oh right. It doesn't work that way..... does it?

Guess fair is fair them. Pile on the <insert country here> bashing folks! Insert America if you so choose, and point and laugh at the self-righteous whiners who think that they, and they alone, get an exemption.

I'm fairly new on this forum and from this short time I have been here, I've come to the decision where it does not bother me anymore. If you feel good about bashing America then more power to you.

I believe in Freedom of speech. I for one, will always be proud of the USA. We have back bone, we have intellegence, we have one hell of a powerful military, we great people, we are generous, we do have our share of idiots, and faults, we do have our share of biased news outlets as does the rest of the world, and so on.

My point is America is not perfect and will never be perfect and that goes for all of the world.

As for the politicians, I don't feel that they adequately represent the American People and it really is only the matter of time before the People get fed up to the max with how our politicians have screwed up and for the People to take back the values and traditions that have made us as Great as we are.

We need to have a complete over haul on every aspect of our government. Our nation was intended to be ran by the People and For the People not for the politicians lies and self interests.

Overall, I Love my country and will continue to do so til the day I die.

The reasons why people America bash (http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5752494390378871865):D

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Overall, I Love my country and will continue to do so til the day I die.

Same here.

Overall, I Love my country and will continue to do so til the day I die.

So do I. And when my country - or rather, her government, is wrong, I will do my best to put her in the right.

What I consider "America bashing" is the snide remarks about America and Americans having no culture other than the worst products of Hollywood, no cuisine beyond McDonald's, no art, no literature, no good beer ... you name it, someone here has probably denied that we have any, or if we do, that it was brought over by one of his or her ancestors in the steerage compartment of a tramp steamer around 1890. Sure, sure, I can take a joke and all, uh huh, but it does get old, folks.

So do I. And when my country - or rather, her government, is wrong, I will do my best to put her in the right.

What I consider "America bashing" is the snide remarks about America and Americans having no culture other than the worst products of Hollywood, no cuisine beyond McDonald's, no art, no literature, no good beer ... you name it, someone here has probably denied that we have any, or if we do, that it was brought over by one of his or her ancestors in the steerage compartment of a tramp steamer around 1890. Sure, sure, I can take a joke and all, uh huh, but it does get old, folks.

The shame of it is that your good beer doesn't get drinked by Americans... You folks have no taste when it comes to malted beverages. :cool: