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Many liberals assert that Bush is a retard. When questioned further, the only thing they can come up with is that he can't pronounce "nuclear." Really, who the hell gives a shit about how he pronounces one word? Clinton isn't judged because he doesn't know the meaning of "sexual relations," so why should Bush be judged on such narrow criteria? If any liberals on this forum believe Bush to be dumb, can you please post your reasons? I will try my best to rebut them.

This is going to end badly.

I'm conservative(ish), and I think Bush is a dumbass.

Next question?

theres also his C average in college, and his DUIs and his Drunk and disorderly, and his cocaine possesion

This is going to end badly.

yep.

*drags up lawn chair and popcorn*

want some?

yep.

*drags up lawn chair and popcorn*

want some?

Absolutely. Want a beer?

Hes a little slow. His decisions are stupid, but he isn't stupid. He knows exactly what hes doing.

yep.

*drags up lawn chair and popcorn*

want some?

*Takes popcorn, offers around some lemonade*

theres also his C average in college, and his DUIs and his Drunk and disorderly, and his cocaine possesion

He didn't apply himself fully in college. Many people didn't. After all, Kerry got a lower grade than Bush. His C might also be related to his DUIs and cocaine possession -- it's not easy to take a test while high. So why did he drink and have cocaine in the first place? Well, it was a different time back then. Everyone was doing it. He experimented with it once and then gave it up. He's a rational man. It's likely that peer pressure forced him into doing it and that all his friends said it was an exciting experience. A logical conclusion would be "why not?" Anyway, that doesn't apply to him now. He's been clean for decades.

Bush is not stupid. If he was, he would not be president. It takes a certain caliber to be a president.

Now before I get tarred and feathered by liberals, I must remind everyone that it does take a certain caliber to create instability.

*prepares to get tarred and feathered by conservatives, liberals, and many others*

Absolutely. Want a beer?

spectacular.

I'm conservative(ish), and I think Bush is a dumbass.

Do you have a reason? Did something he said or did lead you to that conclusion?

Bush is not stupid. If he was, he would not be president. It takes a certain caliber to be a president.

Now before I get tarred and feathered by liberals, I must remind everyone that it does take a certain caliber to create instability.

*prepares to get tarred and feathered by conservatives, liberals, and many others*

I don't think hes stupid and im a liberal, i just think hes unfit to be elected president.

Most of the "bush is retarded!" stuff comes from bad perceptions of a texan accent and bad public speaking skills.

Absolutely. Want a beer?

yes please

bush rules by faith, and demands blind faith from his white house staff.

this isn't stupid, this is crusade mentality:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/101704A.shtml

yes please

By that comment I assume that you think that the president is indeed smart -- or, at the very least, average.

theres also his C average in college

At Yale, thats IVY league if you don't know. Its where smart people go.


his DUIs and his Drunk and disorderly, and his cocaine possesion
So, the fact that hes been drunk and disorderly, did a few lines, and still became president gives me hope my future. If you take that away from me you might as well shoot me now.

Seriously though, he's not dumb. He just has bad advisers.

By that comment I assume that you think that the president is indeed smart -- or, at the very least, average.

You would be correct, how did you figure that out though?

Well theres that whole Iraq war thing you know. And how badly it failed, Bush is stupid yes, but Chenney and Rummy are way way dumber. I have my own other theory thought that they're all very intellegent but play stupid so no-one thinks theyre smart enough to destroy America and its constitution like they are doing. Honestly I think "bush bashing" is the stupidist thing ever. Way more than bush could ever be. Theres plenty of real arguments you can bring up to speak out against the president than doing the 15 year old anarchist 'bush is stupid and a nazi." I hate the current administration more than most but hate that democrat bashing childish ineffective bullshit that just makes you look even worse way more.

You would be correct, how did you figure that out though?

Apparently, I'm either a mind reader or your puppet.

Apparently, I'm either a mind reader or your puppet.

you are definitely not my puppet so....

yes please

Time to watch the show. I told you this is better than that silly football.

At Yale, thats IVY league if you don't know. Its where smart people go.


To be fair, it's also where rich idiots whose fathers went to Yale go. I'm not actually saying Bush is stupid, but you really can't use his getting into Yale as evidence of his intelligence.

At Yale, thats IVY league if you don't know. Its where smart people go.

His daddy pulled strings and got him in.

So, the fact that hes been drunk and disorderly, did a few lines, and still became president gives me hope my future. If you take that away from me you might as well shoot me now.

Seriously though, he's not dumb. He just has bad advisers.

I agree with the previous post, he isn't really stupid, he knows exactly what he is doing. He may be ignorant and believing what HE wants to be true though really isn't but he isn't dumb. While his advisors may suck we can't put blame on them and not have it go on Bush. In the end he makes the decision. As Bush said he is "The Decider".

Honestly the entire US Federal Government isn't much smarter than Bush. Or they're all at least as evil.

His daddy pulled strings and got him in.


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yeah but he did graduate. Its not like he failed out.

This is going to end badly.

oi you promised a show. it's a good thing this isn't a date, because it'd have been a bad one.

I don't really say he's stupid, but he isn't the brightest person around. Nor does he have the greatest command of the english language.

"The vast majority of imports come from outside the country."
Is he saying that some imports come from the USA to the USA?

"Is our children learning?"
I don't know, is they?

Those kept me laughing for a long time. I don't support the war on Iraq but I still support our president cause he hasn't banned guns.

Is he saying that some imports come from the USA to the USA?

Are you saying that 100% is less than the "vast majority"? I would be correct in saying that more than 5% of our imports come from outside the country. And you fail to notice that US commonwealths, such as Puerto Rico, have special status. Perhaps he was referring to trade with Puerto Rico?

I don't know, is they?

I think there was a topic on that quote a while back, but I'm not sure if it was satire or not.

Many liberals assert that Bush is a retard. When questioned further, the only thing they can come up with is that he can't pronounce "nuclear." Really, who the hell gives a shit about how he pronounces one word? Clinton isn't judged because he doesn't know the meaning of "sexual relations," so why should Bush be judged on such narrow criteria? If any liberals on this forum believe Bush to be dumb, can you please post your reasons? I will try my best to rebut them.C+ average?

theres also his C average in college, and his DUIs and his Drunk and disorderly, and his cocaine possesion

Einstein flunked math in school and couldn't tie his own shoes. Was he stupid?

Never thought about that. Stuff made in Puerto Rico. I don't think I have antyhing that is, but thanks for pointing that out. Still it was a bad idea to go to Iraq.

Are you saying that 100% is less than the "vast majority"? I would be correct in saying that more than 5% of our imports come from outside the country. And you fail to notice that US commonwealths, such as Puerto Rico, have special status. Perhaps he was referring to trade with Puerto Rico?

What does it matter? Puerto Rico is still outside the country. Perhaps he thinks the way he does because Texas has to import some smart people from other states. That being the small percentage of imports from inside the country. I like this theory better then any other excuse for Bush.

C+ average?

First of all, that was in the past. Second of all, he did better than Kerry, and I don't find Kerry stupid at all.

he did better than Kerry, and I don't find Kerry stupid at all.

I do. Bush basically handed him the election and he still couldn't win.

Perhaps he thinks the way he does because Texas has to import some smart people from other states.

I'll have you know that our great state produces people as intelligent as any other state in the US:

http://www.famoustexans.com/

I'll have you know that our great state produces people as intelligent as any other state in the US:

http://www.famoustexans.com/

Who says you have to be intelligent to become famous?

He's more like an evil genius than a retard.

Who says you have to be intelligent to become famous?

You probably have to be intelligent to become the world's richest man (Howard Hughes, Texas born and bred):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes

Ironically, he was born in a town called Humble.

You probably have to be intelligent to become the world's richest man (Howard Hughes, Texas born and bred):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes

Ironically, he was born in a town called Humble.

The man also developed a mental disorder. But I guess he wasn't crazy but "eccentric". ;)

Why are you linking to this parody of Uncyclopedia? Link to the real thing!

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/George_Dubya_Bush (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/George_Dubya_Bush)

http://uncyclopedia.org/images/thumb/4/41/Bush_connecticut_welcome.jpg/200px-Bush_connecticut_welcome.jpg

Bush is not only stupid he redfignes the word stupid next printing of dictionary they will just have his picture next to it instead of a deffinition.

The man also developed a mental disorder. But I guess he wasn't crazy but "eccentric". ;)

He might have been crazy, but you were debating intelligence, not sanity. Hell, John Nash was one of the smartest people alive in the past century, but he's as crazy as that guy from Psycho.

You probably have to be intelligent to become the world's richest man (Howard Hughes, Texas born and bred):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes

Ironically, he was born in a town called Humble.

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Are you aware of a man by the name of "Bill Gates"?

Who says you have to be intelligent to become famous?Bam and Johnny Knoxville say so.

Is Bush Stupid?

Are you stupid?

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Are you aware of a man by the name of "Bill Gates"?

Are you aware of the implications of the past tense?

Bam and Johnny Knoxville say so.

Well I'll just admit I'm wrong then! :rolleyes: :D :p

Are you aware of the implications of the past tense?

Are you aware that, as the sentence lacked a clarifier such as "in his time", it was in the present tense?

At Yale, thats IVY league if you don't know. Its where smart people go.

Now it is. In the past? It was where rich people went. That didn't change until quite recently.

He might have been crazy, but you were debating intelligence, not sanity. Hell, John Nash was one of the smartest people alive in the past century, but he's as crazy as that guy from Psycho.

Really now, I never said that there are no intelligent people born in Texas but they are lacking any significant number of them. Still, there do seem to be a high number of intelligent people who end up going bonkers.

Are you aware that, as the sentence lacked a clarifier such as "in his time", it was in the present tense?

I said that he became. That implies that it occurred at some point in the past. I did not say that he is the world's richest man or anything like that.

Really now, I never said that there are no intelligent people born in Texas but they are lacking any significant number of them. Still, there do seem to be a high number of intelligent people who end up going bonkers.

Please don't tell me that you are insinuating that Texas somehow drives intelligent people to insanity.

Like any muppet, he's as smart or as dumb as the hand up his ass guiding him. :)

Like any muppet, he's as smart or as dumb as the hand up his ass guiding him. :)

That is just so wrong on so many levels. Ugh.

I said that he became. That implies that it occurred at some point in the past. I did not say that he is the world's richest man or anything like that.

Bill Gates also became the world's richest man. It needs another qualifier as to the present status.

Bill Gates also became the world's richest man. It needs another qualifier as to the present status.

The present status was left ambiguous, I agree. That does not negate the veracity of the sentence, however. That's like you claiming that "Einstein was smart" is false because it needs another qualifier as to the present status of his intelligence.

Like any muppet, he's as smart or as dumb as the hand up his ass guiding him. :)

Whose turn is it this week? Rove or Cheney?

Like any muppet, he's as smart or as dumb as the hand up his ass guiding him. :)

so thats why bush walks like that I always wondered.

Whose turn is it this week? Rove or Cheney?

While it is true that the president's various policy advisers may offer him assistance in making his decisions, it is up to him which course to take. He is, after all, the decider. Not Rove and not Cheney.

so thats why bush walks like that I always wondered.

That's why his facial expressions don't match his words. No human being smiles like that when talking about war. :p

The present status was left ambiguous, I agree. That does not negate the veracity of the sentence, however. That's like you claiming that "Einstein was smart" is false because it needs another qualifier as to the present status of his intelligence.

It's not like that at all. You presented a situation, without stating when the situation occured. The phrase "was smart" establishes the point of the situation. The phrase "became rich" only establishes the point of becoming rich, not of the situation itself.

Whose turn is it this week? Rove or Cheney?

Rove. Cheney has been secured in the vault again. *nod*

Please don't tell me that you are insinuating that Texas somehow drives intelligent people to insanity.

I meant intelligent people in general. Though with the amount of murders and then executions in the state perhaps the common people are the ones who are nuts.

It's not like that at all. You presented a situation, without stating when the situation occured. The phrase "was smart" establishes the point of the situation. The phrase "became rich" only establishes the point of becoming rich, not of the situation itself.

What situation? Seriously, if you know that Bill Gates is the richest man in the world and that the past tense was used, you don't need to be Aristotle to draw a conclusion from those facts.

That is just so wrong on so many levels. Ugh.

I think I just created the world's first triple entendre. :)

I meant intelligent people in general. Though with the amount of murders and then executions in the state perhaps the common people are the ones who are nuts.

Yes, we kill the scum of the earth -- the most despicable criminals. Is there something wrong with that?

That's why his facial expressions don't match his words. No human being smiles like that when talking about war. :p

You know Bush is enjoying his little Iraq adventure. I certainly think he is.

I think I just created the world's first triple entendre. :)

That's got a difficulty multiplier of 7.8. ;)

Yes, we kill the scum of the earth -- the most despicable criminals. Is there something wrong with that?

Well, considering how often you fuck up and kill innocent people. Or people who do not have the mental faculties needed to be legally sentenced to the death penalty. And then make jokes about it.

Yes, we kill the scum of the earth -- the most despicable criminals. Is there something wrong with that?Like women that get beaten by their husband and, in desperation, kill him? Scummy scumscum they are indeed, most despicable criminals.

Yes he is.

Yes, we kill the scum of the earth -- the most despicable criminals. Is there something wrong with that?

You seem to have low standards for what qualifies someone as one of the most despicable criminals. Or you have a habit of creating/attracting the most despicable criminals.

You know Bush is enjoying his little Iraq adventure. I certainly think he is.

Oh, I'm sure he is; He isn't IN Iraq. :p

But I don't think he has a full range of facial movement. All he can do is outrage, confusion and happiness. That's all his face is equipped for. *nod*

That's got a difficulty multiplier of 7.8. ;)

I'll get the gold for sure. ;)

Yes, we kill the scum of the earth -- the most despicable criminals. Is there something wrong with that?

Killing those who aren't mentally competant is certainly wrong. Killing those who would never get the death penalty in any other state is wrong. Then of course like all death penalty cases you love killing minorities and of course you love executing people in general. How is this not wrong?

Oh, I'm sure he is; He isn't IN Iraq. :p

But I don't think he has a full range of facial movement. All he can do is outrage, confusion and happiness. That's all his face is equipped for. *nod*He needs the Face 2.0 upgrade. It's not that expensive--I don't know why they won't just go ahead and pay for it instead of using that free beta test model that freezes up so often.

He needs the Face 2.0 upgrade. It's not that expensive--I don't know why they won't just go ahead and pay for it instead of using that free beta test model that freezes up so often.

I'm not sure his CPU meets the minimum requirements. ;)

Please don't tell me that you are insinuating that Texas somehow drives intelligent people to insanity.

I live in Texas and scored above average on every IQ test ive ever taken and im starting to go insane.

But I don't think he has a full range of facial movement. All he can do is outrage, confusion and happiness. That's all his face is equipped for. *nod*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7db73AavA48

:D

You know Bush is enjoying his little Iraq adventure. I certainly think he is.

im not saying we didnt need to go over to Iraq but Bush's personal reasons where well his dad got to go over there and play why shouldnt he too.

You seem to have low standards for what qualifies someone as one of the most despicable criminals. Or you have a habit of creating/attracting the most despicable criminals.

No, we simply kill them instead of spending taxpayer money on keeping them alive. I don't want my money going to make life comfortable for a cop-killer.

Oh, I'm sure he is; He isn't IN Iraq. :p

But I don't think he has a full range of facial movement. All he can do is outrage, confusion and happiness. That's all his face is equipped for. *nod*But he can sing! (http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=111184)

He's not stupid. The ideas that he's a moron often seem to stem for Left "elites" who have such a narrow view of the world that they think they're superior to everyone simply because they live in an urban area. That same idea breeds the ignorance of "all Red state people are stupid" (bear in mind, I live in a blue state--Michigan). Judge the man by his decisions (those of which are often, for lack of a better word, stupid), not by his background (Texas, C's in college; cocaine/alcohol/whatever).

But he is anything but stupid. No matter the cries of "oh, it was fixed/Karl Rove is his brain!," you do not get elected President of the United States if you aren't an intelligent person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7db73AavA48

:D

Thank you. :)

Like women that get beaten by their husband and, in desperation, kill him? Scummy scumscum they are indeed, most despicable criminals.

Can you please cite the case to which you are referring? That seems to be murder in the second degree, unless the woman hired a hit man to kill her husband. Then it might be a capital crime.

Thank you. :)

I love that bit. :D

I love that bit. :D

In all fairness, however, Stewart did forget the Poland stage. ;)

But he can sing! (http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=111184)

Ow. My head. :(

Well, considering how often you fuck up and kill innocent people. Or people who do not have the mental faculties needed to be legally sentenced to the death penalty. And then make jokes about it.

Come on, you and I both know that those jokes are hilarious. Even more so because they're true. Did you see that Boston Legal episode where they go to Texas? Pure comedy gold.

Can you please cite the case to which you are referring? That seems to be murder in the second degree, unless the woman hired a hit man to kill her husband. Then it might be a capital crime.

Hell, in many cases if it occurs during or right after the beating it would simply be manslaughter.

Iranian and uranium sound too similiar for Mr Bush to ignore!

Can you please cite the case to which you are referring? That seems to be murder in the second degree, unless the woman hired a hit man to kill her husband. Then it might be a capital crime.
Bettie Lou.

At Yale, thats IVY league if you don't know. Its where smart people go.



So, the fact that hes been drunk and disorderly, did a few lines, and still became president gives me hope my future. If you take that away from me you might as well shoot me now.

Seriously though, he's not dumb. He just has bad advisers.

Don't give me this, "he got in because he was qualified" crap. He got in because he was a double legacy due to Poppy and Grand Pappy. "NEXT!" I managed to get into Princeton on my own merit and earn a 3.81, looky me. Some of us make it on our own, and some of us skate by on the past. Guess which one he is.

Some examples of why he's stupid

1. Iraq
2. poor energy policy
3. war on terror is a little "misguided."
4. Contradicts himself on a weekly, if not daily basis (stupid or lying?)
5. "Mr. President, did you consult your father before going into Iraq?" "I consulted a higher father" Enough said there.
6. "God told me to strike out at Saddam so I did" Again with the meglomaniacal crap.
7. Katrina

I'll let you handle that to start. I'm not wasting my time as I have living to do.

I agree with Lewis Black and wonder, why does Bush aslways smile and laugh at the wrong times? Whenever he's in a press conference and talks about Iraq, death of soldiers, terrorism, why does he chuckle and grin?

I think he did too much Cocaine. The speech could be from brain damage from the heavy drug use. In fact I wouldn't be suprised that he's using it now. That could explain some of the weird behavior. That's why he's such a puppet. They give him Cocaine.

[QUOTE=RealAmerica;11695030]No, we simply kill them instead of spending taxpayer money on keeping them alive. I don't want my money going to make life comfortable for a cop-killer.QUOTE]

But where do they come from? Do they just appear out of nowhere? Or does your state produce them regularly?

yep.

*drags up lawn chair and popcorn*

want some?

Don't mind if I do. :D

*grabs a handful, begins passing around candy and drinks*

Bettie Lou.

I looked it up on Wikipedia, and it says nothing of her husband beating her.

But where do they come from? Do they just appear out of nowhere? Or does your state produce them regularly?

We have less than states like New Jersey and New York, but we prosecute them more harshly.

Absolutely. Want a beer?

May I join you? I've got some chicken barbecuing, and some root beer for those of us who like to be sober while they watch carnage.

May I join you? I've got some chicken barbecuing, and some root beer for those of us who like to be sober while they watch carnage.

Carnage is best watched with a slight buzz. Trust me.

Whether he's stupid or not is up for debate, but I think he's a terrible public speaker and he should have fired all of his speech writers a long time ago. The combination of these two factors makes him appear to be less than intelligent during many of his speeches and press announcements. This might also be because of his slight stutter and tendency to return to key phrases whenever it appears he has been cornered by a question. Whether this is evidence of his intelligence, a calculated strategy, or simply poor briefing by his staff is debatable.
That said, whether he is stupid or not, he has little power without the legislature standing behind him, so if the decisions that are made are stupid, then a majority of the House and Senate must also be stupid.

I looked it up on Wikipedia, and it says nothing of her husband beating her.Read it again, then. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Lou_Beets)

Read it again, then. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Lou_Beets)

She claimed she was beaten, yes. But she wasn't.

1. Iraq
2. poor energy policy
3. war on terror is a little "misguided."
4. Contradicts himself on a weekly, if not daily basis (stupid or lying?)
5. "Mr. President, did you consult your father before going into Iraq?" "I consulted a higher father" Enough said there.
6. "God told me to strike out at Saddam so I did" Again with the meglomaniacal crap.
7. Katrina

Numbers 5 and 6 are the same...and who says God isn't right?

Most definately started something there, me thinks.

We have less than states like New Jersey and New York, but we prosecute them more harshly.

Harsh hardly comes close to describing how you prosecute them.

She claimed she was beaten, yes. But she wasn't.Source it.

Numbers 5 and 6 are the same...and who says God isn't right?

Most definately started something there, me thinks.

I say he isnt only not right but doesnt exist and anyone that uses god as an excuse for doing something is mentally unstable and needs to be locked up and the key thrown away.

Read it again, then. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Lou_Beets)

Perhaps not the best choice given what she did after killing her husband. But given how many people Texas has executed I'm sure we can find someone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individuals_executed_in_Texas

I say he isnt only not right but doesnt exist and anyone that uses god as an excuse for doing something is mentally unstable and needs to be locked up and the key thrown away.

How can you prove that he doesn't exist? Really, how?
God's real through faith... Athiesm is just denying the ultimate truth.

He is apparently not of above-average intelligence.

He is apparently not of above-average intelligence.

Don't misunderestimate the guy. ;)

Oh, I'm sure he is; He isn't IN Iraq. :p

But I don't think he has a full range of facial movement. All he can do is outrage, confusion and happiness. That's all his face is equipped for. *nod*

that's just nerve damage from cocaine, isn't it? :P

Come on, you and I both know that those jokes are hilarious.
I do not find jokes like that even remotely amusing.

Many liberals assert that Bush is a retard. When questioned further, the only thing they can come up with is that he can't pronounce "nuclear." Really, who the hell gives a shit about how he pronounces one word? Clinton isn't judged because he doesn't know the meaning of "sexual relations," so why should Bush be judged on such narrow criteria? If any liberals on this forum believe Bush to be dumb, can you please post your reasons? I will try my best to rebut them.

While this isn't exactly a strawman, you've constructed it in a strawmanesque fashion.

He didn't apply himself fully in college. Many people didn't. After all, Kerry got a lower grade than Bush. His C might also be related to his DUIs and cocaine possession -- it's not easy to take a test while high. So why did he drink and have cocaine in the first place? Well, it was a different time back then. Everyone was doing it. He experimented with it once and then gave it up. He's a rational man. It's likely that peer pressure forced him into doing it and that all his friends said it was an exciting experience. A logical conclusion would be "why not?" Anyway, that doesn't apply to him now. He's been clean for decades.

Seeing it wasn't until age 40 that he "realized that alcohol was beginning to crowd out my energies and could crowd, eventually, my affections for other people" [1 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush072599.htm)], you can't say he experemented with it once then gave it up.

I have my own other theory thought that they're all very intellegent but play stupid so no-one thinks theyre smart enough to destroy America and its constitution like they are doing.

There's a lot of truth in that. Remember that Bush's first run for office
was against Kent Hance, who ran a campaign that painted Bush as a Northeastern egg head out of touch with "real Texas".

An exdample of a radio spot from that campaign:
In 1961, when Kent Hance graduated from Dimmitt High School in the 19th congressional district, his opponent George W. Bush was attending Andover Academy in Massachusetts. In 1965, when Kent Hance graduated from Texas Tech, his opponent was at Yale University. And while Kent Hance graduated from the University of Texas Law School, his opponents -- get this folks -- was attending Harvard. We don't need someone from the Northeast telling us what are problems are.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2004/candidates/can_bush-political.html

Hance told the NYTimes that Bush took away the lesson that "he wasn't going to be out-Christianed or out-good-old-boyed again. He's going to be the good old boy next door."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2004/candidates/can_bush-political.html

Really now, I never said that there are no intelligent people born in Texas but they are lacking any significant number of them. Still, there do seem to be a high number of intelligent people who end up going bonkers.

There are a fair number of Texans on these forums, including myself, to whom that is highly insulting.

No, we simply kill them instead of spending taxpayer money on keeping them alive. I don't want my money going to make life comfortable for a cop-killer.

It costs more to execute someone than it does to keep them in prison for the rest of their lives. And prison is not comfortable. I have no clue how you could think something so stupid.

There are a fair number of Texans on these forums, including myself, to whom that is highly insulting.

You take things too serriously Im not only a Texan but I find the whole thing ammuzing.

He is probably intellegent. However he has made many bad choices and I dont agree with him on much.

Don't misunderestimate the guy. ;)

Country aint doin so bad, fer bein run by a cokeheaded alcoholic from texas

There are a fair number of Texans on these forums, including myself

I'm sorry

Einstein flunked math in school and couldn't tie his own shoes. Was he stupid?

Einstein flunked early on in pre-collage education because he exceded the standards by so much as to cause an issue

Do you honestly claim that bush errored on the side of too smart for the standards?

She claimed she was beaten, yes. But she wasn't.

do you have proof for that? At all? Or is that just opinion?

No, we simply kill them instead of spending taxpayer money on keeping them alive. I don't want my money going to make life comfortable for a cop-killer.


yep. over-simplistic generalizations combined with changing the subject over what's being talked about, to arrive at a thought-stopping cliche that's meant to pass for a reason to sentence a mentally retarded teen-ager and a battered woman to execution.

is that parr for the course from the Texas mentality? do you really not see that even for people who believe in execution, there's a difference between your "cop-killers" and a battered woman defending herself or a retarded boy copying something he saw on TV? or are you trying to persuade somebody (yourself?) that the only people murdered in Texas are police?

Carnage is best watched with a slight buzz. Trust me.


Speaking for myself, I have to drive later -- if I'm not too traumatized by the bloodshed -- but I know people who like to be sober for it. They say they don't want to miss anything. Go figure.

theres also his C average in college, and his DUIs and his Drunk and disorderly, and his cocaine possesion

The C students run the world.

Nothing wrong with being drunk and disorderly or cocaine possesion.

The C students run the world.

Nothing wrong with being drunk and disorderly or cocaine possesion.

They've run it into the ground, seems to me. Something I've never understood. In 2000, Dubya's great strength was supposedly his common-man-ness, the idea that you'd rather sit down and have a beer with him than with Gore. But why in the hell would you want your drunk-ass neighbor to be President? You don't even want to lend that fucker your lawnmower because you know it'll come back all fucked up, if it comes back at all.

Hes a little slow. His decisions are stupid, but he isn't stupid. He knows exactly what hes doing.

Yep, especially when he gives the German Chancellor a backrub. :rolleyes:

He's a monkey in a man-suit! :eek:

Yeah, he's stupid... But I guess it's all relative. Maybe in his home country, the natives are so incredibly stupid that by comparison he's considered one of the smarter ones.

In 2000, Dubya's great strength was supposedly his common-man-ness, the idea that you'd rather sit down and have a beer with him than with Gore. But why in the hell would you want your drunk-ass neighbor to be President? You don't even want to lend that fucker your lawnmower because you know it'll come back all fucked up, if it comes back at all.


You should be writing commercials for the Democrats :P :fluffle:

Yep, especially when he gives the German Chancellor a backrub. :rolleyes:

and Lieberman the kiss.

3 things.

Yes. He is rather the idiot when it comes to public speaking

Yes, I am liberal (ish) and no, I did not vote for Bush

Howver, since when was intelligence required to be President of the United States? We would prefer intelligent presidents, but we don't always get them. Reagan was rather dim. He had REALLY smart types running the show for him however. That seems to be Mr. Bush's biggest problems. He has a bunch of cronies "helping" him out. A bunch of yes men (and women - sorry Condi) and not a single one to tell him he is doing something dumb assed.

Oh, and yes....this is going to end badly.:upyours:

You should be writing commercials for the Democrats :P :fluffle:

Unfortunately, many Democratic commercials feature Bush these days.

Country aint doin so bad, fer bein run by a cokeheaded alcoholic from texas

lollercoaster :p

Unfortunately, many Democratic commercials feature Bush these days.

Unfortunate for who? Republicans? Good. Congress should have reined his ass in years ago, but they liked his swagger. Well, whether you want to or not, you gotta dance with what brung ya, and those Republican congressmen are dancing with Bush. Hopefully, he'll hang around their necks like a massive, poll-dragging-down albatross.

Unfortunate for who?

Unfortunate for the state of our country. What does Bush have to do with local elections? It is blatant propaganda.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/crashcow/NSG/read_bush.jpg

I don't know if any of you have seen this or not - it's a poster for audio books featuring you-know-who. Apologies for the grainy quality (taken with a camera-phone on a rainy day).

Nice caption, eh?

Unfortunate for who? Republicans? Good. Congress should have reined his ass in years ago, but they liked his swagger. Well, whether you want to or not, you gotta dance with what brung ya, and those Republican congressmen are dancing with Bush. Hopefully, he'll hang around their necks like a massive, poll-dragging-down albatross.

I'll drink to that. *raises glass*

Unfortunate for the state of our country. What does Bush have to do with local elections? It is blatant propaganda.

Spare me. I'm sure you had no objection when Bush was out campaigning for Republican congresscritters and challengers when he was at 60% in the polls, or when those same Republicans were draped all over Bush in commercials like Lindsay Lohan on a rum bottle. They hung with him then, they can hang with him now.

Spare me. I'm sure you had no objection when Bush was out campaigning for Republican congresscritters and challengers when he was at 60% in the polls, or when those same Republicans were draped all over Bush in commercials like Lindsay Lohan on a rum bottle. They hung with him then, they can hang with him now.
Oh please. Like Lindsay Lohan can stomach rum:rolleyes:


sorry, I couldn't resist;)

Spare me. I'm sure you had no objection when Bush was out campaigning for Republican congresscritters and challengers when he was at 60% in the polls, or when those same Republicans were draped all over Bush in commercials like Lindsay Lohan on a rum bottle. They hung with him then, they can hang with him now.

I don't like dishonest ads which seek to brand people "guilty by association," no matter what. That also applies to the opposite.

I don't like dishonest ads which seek to brand people "guilty by association," no matter what. That also applies to the opposite.

Let me break something to you dearie--Republican congresscritters are guilty by association. Congress has done nothing to rein in Bush for the last 5 years, so they're as responsible for the fuckups as he is. They could have called him on the carpet at any time, and they chose not to. They gleefully passed all his legislation, and so they deserve to be held up as architects of the fucked up mess that we find ourselves in. Don't like it? Tough shit, baby. Get used to it, because you guys are going to get the full dose of all the shit you shoveled out for the last five years, and then some.

I believe it to be a mixture of Bush being really daft and slow, and him being controlled by those around him.

Those two combine to create the president we've had for five years.

I don't like dishonest ads which seek to brand people "guilty by association," no matter what. That also applies to the opposite.

Are you saying you don't like advertising whether honest or dishonest? I may just be being somewhat dense here, but I can't quite unpack your post.

Haven't read the thread. Got too long before I found it.

In answer to the original question.

I hate to use the word intelligence because that indicates IQ. There are many people with an average to above average that act in a stupid manner. I would say GW probably has about average intelligence but a totally closed mind that gives him one stupid decision after another.

A basic sign of an intelligent person: Looking at both sides of an issue before making up one's mind. Then making a decision based on both arguements. A less intelligent person makes up their mind first then looks for proof they are correct. Abe Lincoln put most of his political opponents in his cabinet so he could hear all sides.

With every major decision GW decided first and would not allow for any evidence that he might be wrong. Even today, it has been widely reported that any military officer that says anything the president doesn't want to hear will never be invited to another meeting and will be passed over for promotion. This has lead to every major decision being faulty.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/crashcow/NSG/read_bush.jpg

I don't know if any of you have seen this or not - it's a poster for audio books featuring you-know-who. Apologies for the grainy quality (taken with a camera-phone on a rainy day).

Nice caption, eh?Hold on, is it advertising audio books by saying "Don't read enough"?

Hold on, is it advertising audio books by saying "Don't read enough"?

Not quite. Notice where the question mark is. I think it is implying that although your lifestyle may prevent you from reading as much as you would like, or feel you should, through use of audiobooks you will be able to keep up with the literary Jones's.

Unfortunate for who? Republicans? Good. Congress should have reined his ass in years ago, but they liked his swagger. Well, whether you want to or not, you gotta dance with what brung ya, and those Republican congressmen are dancing with Bush. Hopefully, he'll hang around their necks like a massive, poll-dragging-down albatross.
Dan Rather? Is that you?
More to the point, and less circutuous, please tell me that you were drunk when you posted this. I don't think there is any other excuse for one's metaphors to be that mixed or have that much "local color" shoved into them.

Numbers 5 and 6 are the same...and who says God isn't right?

Most definately started something there, me thinks.

God is always right, but he talks to Bush? Any of you insane people who think God speaks to them remind me of Son of Sam.

Are you saying you don't like advertising whether honest or dishonest? I may just be being somewhat dense here, but I can't quite unpack your post.

Sorry, I wasn't clear at all. I meant that I don't like dishonest ads in which a person is given either a positive or negative connotation due to the people which he knows or is associated with. For example, Republicans with Bush or Democrats with Clinton.

This is going to end badly.

Probably.

I sometimes allow myself the thought that W is dumb, but really, he isn't. He just likes to put forward that "I'm just a plain feller, like you" persona to woo the masses. In truth he's a shrewd politician, a member of the Eastern Elite the Neo-cons are always yammering about (can you say, "Yalie?"). :rolleyes:

Is.........sky.........bloo?

How did that saying go?

Stupid is as stupid does? Well, there you have it.

Only that Bush's bad decisions not only have an impact on himself, or the U.S., but on many parts of the world.

And in addition to that, many of his actions and decisions don't border criminal - they are criminal.

Is Bush stupid? No.

Is he poorly schooled in international strategy? Most definitely.

Sure, some people can't do any better than "Dubya's stupid because he says 'nukyalur'" or whatever. That's just why he's a shitty public speaker. And yes, he could be a lot better as far as speaking goes. Frankly, that's one reason he seems dumb is because he doesn't come off as a good speaker. Some will say Reagan wasn't that bright, but I don't know that we realy saw it, considering he was a fantastic speaker. Clinton wasn't half-bad at speaking either. Clinton was also a Rhodes scholar, so intelligence isn't an issue.

The biggest issues with Bush, however, seem to stem from his blatant disregard for the law. Sure, people are beginning to think the Iraq war was a really bad idea. There are still others who don't like his job handling Hurricane Katrina. Still others think he helped 9/11 happen, and maybe he did, but it was kind of more indirectly, and how he responded to it was more the problem. If you dig deeper, the economy's all over the place, and Afghanistan is slowly going back to the Taliban. Some people begin to notice this. Where's the outrage over his disregard for wiretapping regulations? Where's the outrage over Gitmo? It's more a running joke than anything else.

I don't think Bush is the one who's necessarily pulling the strings. It's his administration. And he's willing to let them. The worst-case scenario is this - Dubya's trying to turn Afghanistan back over to the Taliban and turn Iraq into a batshit-insane theocracy. Organizations like al-Qaeda will take a foothold in both areas. Then, in 2008, knowing it will disrupt our cherished elections, al-Qaeda strikes. Dubya and Co. cover up all evidence that they knew about this. They "postpone" the elections to another date, but no matter; his job isn't up for vote. That is, if anyone's is. Under duress, the Congress passes an amendment to the Constitution making him President for life. The states, in chaos, approve it. The provisions, it turns out, were simply to grant him emergency powers, but it effectively makes him president for life. He suspends the Constitution and requires gun-owners to attend military training. They become the secret police and the military. On top of that, now Dubya has a scapegoat - Islam. Muslims are rounded up in citizens' arrests, and eventually, Islam is banned, with violators sentenced to Dubya's favorite toy - the electric chair. The same fate meets protesters, intellectuals, gays, and Green party members. Democrats are instituted as the official "opposition party" with the Republicans taking the name "neoconservative" officially. Just about anything Dubya says he wants, he gets. It's World War III, and whoever wins, we lose. < /tinfoil hat >

Many liberals assert that Bush is a retard. When questioned further, the only thing they can come up with is that he can't pronounce "nuclear." Really, who the hell gives a shit about how he pronounces one word? Clinton isn't judged because he doesn't know the meaning of "sexual relations," so why should Bush be judged on such narrow criteria? If any liberals on this forum believe Bush to be dumb, can you please post your reasons? I will try my best to rebut them.

http://limewoody.wordpress.com/files/2006/03/aw_jeez_not_this_shit_again2.jpg

But then, everybody loves a good partisan mudslinging match...

While it is true that the president's various policy advisers may offer him assistance in making his decisions, it is up to him which course to take. He is, after all, the decider. Not Rove and not Cheney.


Bridge. Brooklyn. Sell.

Is.........sky.........bloo?

Please tell me why you think the sky is blue (metaphorically, that is; I don't need explanations involving Rayleigh scattering).

Probably.

I sometimes allow myself the thought that W is dumb, but really, he isn't. He just likes to put forward that "I'm just a plain feller, like you" persona to woo the masses. In truth he's a shrewd politician, a member of the Eastern Elite the Neo-cons are always yammering about (can you say, "Yalie?"). :rolleyes:

That's the scary thing.

Most people suspect Bush is more intelligent than he appears... and, let's face it, he'd have to be.

So - we know he's playing a part... as you say, he is trying to portray an 'everyman' persona.

And that's what scares me.

Bush thinks 'everyman' in the USA is a red-neck, bloodthirsty zealot, with zero personal or social skills.

And, the really scary part - he's won on that platform. Twice.

That's the scary thing.

Most people suspect Bush is more intelligent than he appears... and, let's face it, he'd have to be.

So - we know he's playing a part... as you say, he is trying to portray an 'everyman' persona.

And that's what scares me.

Bush thinks 'everyman' in the USA is a red-neck, bloodthirsty zealot, with zero personal or social skills.

And, the really scary part - he's won on that platform. Twice.

I know, I know. As HL Mencken said, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." Paraphrase at will for politics, religion, what-have-you.

I don't think that it's so much Bush thinking the American Everyman is a red-neck, bloodthirsty zealot, what scares me is that the Republicans have convinced a majority in this country that being a red-neck, bloodthirsty know-nothing zealot is okay.

I know, I know. As HL Mencken said, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." Paraphrase at will for politics, religion, what-have-you.

I don't think that it's so much Bush thinking the American Everyman is a red-neck, bloodthirsty zealot, what scares me is that the Republicans have convinced a majority in this country that being a red-neck, bloodthirsty know-nothing zealot is okay.

More than okay; virtuous.

I don't think that it's so much Bush thinking the American Everyman is a red-neck, bloodthirsty zealot, what scares me is that the Republicans have convinced a majority in this country that being a red-neck, bloodthirsty know-nothing zealot is okay.

What scares me is that the liberals have convinced a majority in this country that doing drugs is OK, as long as you don't hurt anyone while high. They've convinced people that refusing to help your country is OK. They've told people that it's OK to let society support you even if you don't want to get a job. They tell people that immorality is fine as long as you don't commit any crimes. They say that hedonism is not wrong and that you don't have to do anything except have fun if you don't want to. Hell, they've even convinced people that terrorists are just nice guys who are punishing us for whatever crimes we committed and that we should let them kill us.

As I said - virtuous.

Absolutely. Want a beer?

I got some.

This is gonna end IN A FIGHT.

Glad I can become a Mecha.

Many liberals assert that Bush is a retard. When questioned further, the only thing they can come up with is that he can't pronounce "nuclear." Really, who the hell gives a shit about how he pronounces one word? Clinton isn't judged because he doesn't know the meaning of "sexual relations," so why should Bush be judged on such narrow criteria? If any liberals on this forum believe Bush to be dumb, can you please post your reasons? I will try my best to rebut them.

Well come on, Bush isn't intelligent either. Clinton did prove that he understood the full meaning of sexual relations, he just brought it to a new level! Since when does ones sexual definitions mean that you ability to govern, rule, lead is hampered. It doesn't. In reality no one is truely stupid. Some are just less intelligent than others and less suited to certain types of jobs...just like George Bush and his role as President.

More than okay; virtuous.


yep, like it's the new fad. I was in New Jersey a few weeks back and there were all these people trying to sound like they were cowboys or something. and even more were doing their best to come off as hill-billies. for a few minutes I thought I'd fallen into the filming of Deliverance. what's with that? I was there about 12 years ago and they weren't like that.

What scares me is that the liberals have convinced a majority in this country that doing drugs is OK, as long as you don't hurt anyone while high. They've convinced people that refusing to help your country is OK. They've told people that it's OK to let society support you even if you don't want to get a job. They tell people that immorality is fine as long as you don't commit any crimes. They say that hedonism is not wrong and that you don't have to do anything except have fun if you don't want to. Hell, they've even convinced people that terrorists are just nice guys who are punishing us for whatever crimes we committed and that we should let them kill us.


so what drugs did you have to take to come up with that rant?

Really now, I never said that there are no intelligent people born in Texas but they are lacking any significant number of them. Still, there do seem to be a high number of intelligent people who end up going bonkers.

Please don't tell me that you are insinuating that Texas somehow drives intelligent people to insanity.

You're looking at this wrong, RealAmerica. It doesn't matter if Utracia insinuated that Texas drives smart people to insanity, as Texas does drive smart people to insanity. Given my location and my borderline insanity, I should know...

Edit:

What scares me is that the liberals have convinced a majority in this country that doing drugs is OK, as long as you don't hurt anyone while high. They've convinced people that refusing to help your country is OK. They've told people that it's OK to let society support you even if you don't want to get a job. They tell people that immorality is fine as long as you don't commit any crimes. They say that hedonism is not wrong and that you don't have to do anything except have fun if you don't want to. Hell, they've even convinced people that terrorists are just nice guys who are punishing us for whatever crimes we committed and that we should let them kill us.

And rants like these don't help that borderline insanity one bit. There's a reason I want to be in Austin, Rice University, or a blue state next year...

You're looking at this wrong, RealAmerica. It doesn't matter if Utracia insinuated that Texas drives smart people to insanity, as Texas does drive smart people to insanity. Given my location and my borderline insanity, I should know...

Because you live in Texas and intelligent and are being driven insane, therefore Texas drives intelligent people insane. Real smart bit of logic there. I live in Texas and I'm as sane as I can be, given the circumstances.

At Yale, thats IVY league if you don't know. Its where smart people go.



So, the fact that hes been drunk and disorderly, did a few lines, and still became president gives me hope my future. If you take that away from me you might as well shoot me now.

Seriously though, he's not dumb. He just has bad advisers.

sometimes i actually think he is a decent fellow and really cares about what he says....then good ole dickhead cheney starts pulling the strings(as he is his dad's buddie) and we all tend to be submissive to who we identify with authority.
]and he goes along with the program laid out by dick and his dad.

dick cheney scares the bejezus out of me..i think he is truly evil incarnate and lil george is being played.

put it this way...if you shoot someone in the face and they apologise to you..they got some serious clout.

i'm sorry i got in the way of your gun and blocked your shotgun blast with my face..causing you to miss your birdie you were shooting at...drunk

by the way...cheney also had back to back dui's in a 6 month period..back when you had to be fall down drunk to get a dui!

i had one and it prevented me from becoming a cop or going into the military,he is the second most(i argue the most)powerfull man in the world.

seriously,when i was young,you could hit someones house with your car,and your excuse was..i was drunk...or you got a ticket for being reckless...but drunk..oh...thats why.

he had 2 in a row...he had to be shitfaced!

i am no conservative,and definately not liberal,but i think bush means well enough..but he is just a puppet.

and i do not think he is stupid..just used.

You're looking at this wrong, RealAmerica. It doesn't matter if Utracia insinuated that Texas drives smart people to insanity, as Texas does drive smart people to insanity. Given my location and my borderline insanity, I should know...

It is the heat. It must fry your brain. 90's with humidity for a good chunk of the year? Awful. And to think people want to move to that furnace.

I don't think Bush is stupid. I think that he is not curious or inquisitive. I think that he uses his gut more than his head. I think he's an idiot for these reasons but he's not stupid.

What scares me is that the liberals have convinced a majority in this country that doing drugs is OK, as long as you don't hurt anyone while high. They've convinced people that refusing to help your country is OK. They've told people that it's OK to let society support you even if you don't want to get a job. They tell people that immorality is fine as long as you don't commit any crimes. They say that hedonism is not wrong and that you don't have to do anything except have fun if you don't want to. Hell, they've even convinced people that terrorists are just nice guys who are punishing us for whatever crimes we committed and that we should let them kill us.

People have been 'doing drugs' in this country for centuries. Marijauna was here, in use, before 'whiye men' arrived... all we have done is made it illegal. Cocaine used to be used as a medicine... all we have done is made it illegal. Opium used to be dissolved in alcohol and used as a headache treatment, especially for women... all we have done is made it illegal.

The 'war on drugs' has NOT been a battle to stop the spread of, or abuse of drugs. Even the most cursory inspection of history shows that the 'war' has been the steady erosion of civil rights, to outlaw more and more of the things people were already 'legally' doing.

So much for the 'republican' value of governing least, and small government.

As for helping ones country... I don't really know what you mean by that. SHould people have the right to refuse to fight and die for causes they don't believe in? Of course they should. To me - one is not a patriot because one fights and dies for an agenda that is against the better interests of a nation. The way I see it - being active politically (which an increasing number of Ameicans are NOT) is far more important, in terms of helping the country. Paying taxes is far more important... and yet I see a lot of people not usually described as 'liberal' complaining about tax burdens. I guess they just don't care to 'help their country', except in the ways that THEY see fit.

Regarding immorality - this is hard to debate, because you might see as 'immoral' something that another might not. Your personal 'hang-up' might be what two men decide to do in their bedroom... whereas, for me, 'immoral' is a society that allows some of it's citizens to live in poverty while others buy million dollar yachts.

As for terrorism, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Americans have been sponsoring terrorism for decades, in Afghanistan and in Ireland, for example. And yet, there is a collective moral outrage when some of these elements carry out their USUAL trade on American soil. I have no real patience for such hypocrisy.

And, you have entirely failed to stay on topic.

People have been 'doing drugs' in this country for centuries. Marijauna was here, in use, before 'whiye men' arrived... all we have done is made it illegal. Cocaine used to be used as a medicine... all we have done is made it illegal. Opium used to be dissolved in alcohol and used as a headache treatment, especially for women... all we have done is made it illegal.

What's your point? I don't recall claiming that drugs are a recent invention or anything -- I simply stated that a large preponderance of liberals believe in the legalization of drugs. The fact that people have historically done drugs is irrelevant; it is equally beside the point as stating that people have killed each other for centuries. Cocaine may have been a medicine prior to the discovery of the extremely detrimental health effects -- we thought that tobacco was good for a long time, too. Now that we have additional information, we need to update our laws to reflect this circumstance. If you want to take cocaine 'cause you don't feel good, there is something seriously wrong with you or you are suicidal.

So much for the 'republican' value of governing least, and small government.

I believe in small government as long as the government is large enough to enforce the laws of the country and protects its citizens. Drugs are very dangerous both to security and to the user. They are illegal for a good reason, and they need to be contained.

And, you have entirely failed to stay on topic.

That's because nobody gave one iota of refutable proof regarding Bush's idiocy.

That's because nobody gave one iota of refutable proof regarding Bush's idiocy.

Smart people look at all sides of an issue before making up their minds. Idiots make up their mind then refuse any evidence that they might be wrong. Idiots also never admit they are wrong because they are only looking at what supports their predecided view......sort of like all of those that actually believe talk radio is news.

Smart people look at all sides of an issue before making up their minds. Idiots make up their mind then refuse any evidence that they might be wrong. Idiots also never admit they are wrong because they are only looking at what supports their predecided view......sort of like all of those that actually believe talk radio is news.

You said a lot of stuff, there, but you didn't mention why you thought Bush was stupid.

You said a lot of stuff, there, but you didn't mention why you thought Bush was stupid.

Yes he did. He said that Bush makes up his mind on a subject and if evidence emerges that contradicts his belief he just ignores it or tries to explain it away. Sounds like idiocy to me.

Bush thinks that creationism should be taught in science class. His intelligence seems pretty clear cut.

No. President Bush is not stupid.

ok i am not going to read all the crap on this thread because i have a feeling its going to ge visciuos. it should be quite a show so i am going to fry up the barbecue and crack open the beer and watch all you guys argue cause i dont feel like getting involved in another thread like this.

:)

so what drugs did you have to take to come up with that rant?

The Kool-aid.

No. President Bush is not stupid.

Well. That settles that. Thanks for stopping by to clear that up for us.

You said a lot of stuff, there, but you didn't mention why you thought Bush was stupid.

He essentially said 2+x=4.

He listed a bunch of qualities that idiots have, and Bush has all of them. Even his supporters acknowledge he has these qualities, but they praise them as virtues.

Critics say "he doesn't listen to evidence. He just makes decisions based on what he wishes was true."

Supporters say "he's a resolute and determined leader. Decisive, just what America needs."

He essentially said 2+x=4.

He listed a bunch of qualities that idiots have, and Bush has all of them. Even his supporters acknowledge he has these qualities, but they praise them as virtues.

Critics say "he doesn't listen to evidence. He just makes decisions based on what he wishes was true."

Supporters say "he's a resolute and determined leader. Decisive, just what America needs."stupid as in retarded? no-politically stupid? absolutely

He didn't apply himself fully in college. Many people didn't. After all, Kerry got a lower grade than Bush. His C might also be related to his DUIs and cocaine possession -- it's not easy to take a test while high. So why did he drink and have cocaine in the first place? Well, it was a different time back then. Everyone was doing it. He experimented with it once and then gave it up. He's a rational man. It's likely that peer pressure forced him into doing it and that all his friends said it was an exciting experience. A logical conclusion would be "why not?" Anyway, that doesn't apply to him now. He's been clean for decades.

Kerry got a lower average the first semester. He then applied himself and brought his grades up. Bush coasted in the rich man's business ciriculum. Gentleman's C's all the way. That means that he didn't actually earn any of his grades. He just did minimum work for passing grades. His own professors have explained this.

Probably.

I sometimes allow myself the thought that W is dumb, but really, he isn't. He just likes to put forward that "I'm just a plain feller, like you" persona to woo the masses. In truth he's a shrewd politician, a member of the Eastern Elite the Neo-cons are always yammering about (can you say, "Yalie?"). :rolleyes:

Well, there are two options.

Either he's dumb and all the shit that he's caused has been the result of his incompotence.

OR

He's that evil that all of this has been by design and he knew it was going to happen.

I think it's somewhere in the middle. He's the emperor with no clothes. He's surrounded by smart evil people, like Rummy and Cheney, and he doesn't have any opinions of his own, so he just does whatever they tell him. Remember during the 2000 run when his anemic supporters were saying things like "yeah, but he's going to have good advisors."

Well, that's what you get when you think it doesn't matter how smart your president is because he'll be surrounded by people who can tell him what to do.

We had a similar situation with JFK when he came into office. He was new, didn't know the ropes and thought that the Generals knew what they were doing. So he signed off on the Bay of Pigs plan cooked up under Eisenhower. It was a disaster.

When he learned the ropes a bit better and was more sure of himself he told the generals to STFU! and pretty much saved the world.

You said a lot of stuff, there, but you didn't mention why you thought Bush was stupid.


Smart people look at all sides of an issue before making up their minds. Idiots make up their mind then refuse any evidence that they might be wrong. Idiots also never admit they are wrong because they are only looking at what supports their predecided view......sort of like all of those that actually believe talk radio is news.

This is a third time repeat. Bush makes up his mind and then looks for evidence that backs that decision and rejects anything that doesn't support his position. He will not admit a mistake because he only looks at supporting evidence. That is the most stupid idiotic thing anyone, especially someone in power, can do.

If you don't understand that, I fully now understand why you can not see the man does everything he does in a stupid idiotic way.

I honestly don't think he's stupid; I think he does it as part of his image and I think that image resonates with his core voters (as concerning as that may be), so he keeps it up for the purpose of politicking within the Republican Party. Too bad for him 2/3rds of the country is not down with that image of stupidity.

This is a third time repeat. Bush makes up his mind and then looks for evidence that backs that decision and rejects anything that doesn't support his position.

But you have no proof of that. I can just as easily say that Bush meticulously studies every single point of policy before making his decision in a thoroughly logical and rational manner. Can I prove my assertion? No, of course not -- and neither can you. I was looking more for hard proof of a particular deed he did which you deemed stupid.

Bush thinks that creationism should be taught in science class. His intelligence seems pretty clear cut.

No, he simply wished for all viewpoints to be aired, even though the whole curriculum will be based on scientifically-proven theories. However, it will be noted that there are inconsistencies and lack of data in the official scientific version of events, which ID explains quite nicely.

No, he simply wished for all viewpoints to be aired, even though the whole curriculum will be based on scientifically-proven theories. However, it will be noted that there are inconsistencies and lack of data in the official scientific version of events, which ID explains quite nicely.

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Would you support forcing astronomy teachers to air the view point that the Earth is the center of the universe? Because that's what you're doing, only with biology. ID is bullshit. The ToE is the singly best-supported scientific theory ever.

Also, proof is for mathematics and alcohol.

Well let’s look at the facts for a moment shall we?
Bush regularly mangles the English language.
He is anti-intellectual preferring to to play to base emotion.
He is petulant and angers easily when anyone dares to question him in any way.
For example (http://win20ca.audiovideoweb.com/ca20win15004/OlbermannBushRoseGarden512K.wmv)
He has made a mockery of the very fundamental freedoms that this country was founded upon.
He has made some exceedingly stupid remarks.

"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' —Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001

"Do you have blacks, too?" —to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

"My plan reduces the national debt, and fast. So fast, in fact, that economists worry that we're going to run out of debt to retire." —radio address, Feb. 24, 2001 (Note: The national debt is now over 7 TRILLION dollars...no need to worry about running out of debt to retire thanks to George and his merry band of "Conservatives"...remember that this number was brought to you by your Republican pResident and his Republican majority in the House and the Senate :upyours: )

"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

Flip
"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001
Flop
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." —Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

"But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." —summing up his first year in office, three months after the 9/11 attacks, Washington, D.C., Dec. 20, 2001 (He must have forgot that whole mess in September)

"Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" —President George W. Bush, joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq (http://politicalhumor.about.com/b/a/074838.htm) as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 24, 2004

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." —Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5,

And finally

"I'm the master of low expectations." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

It is all to easy to prove that Bush is not very intelligent with his own words.
You must really hate Bush RealAmerica to even ask such a question.:p

"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' —Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001

Indeed, at first glance, that statement appears to be grammatically incorrect. However, I did some research, and found out that it is commonly used in place of he or she on many official government documents -- not just in Bush's speeches. Here are some examples ("he or her" appears in each of them -- no need to read the whole thing):


http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/97-98/bill/asm/ab_2451-2500/ab_2451_bill_19980518_amended_asm.html
http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/megafile/msa/speccol/sc2900/sc2908/000001/000203/html/am203--45.html
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1999_00/fulltext/sb95.htm
http://72.14.205.104/unclesam?q=cache:1CFuI0qOhfAJ:audgen.michigan.gov/comprpt/docs/r0714104.pdf+%22he+or+her%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=19


Odd, I agree, but not unheard of.

"Do you have blacks, too?" —to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

According to Scopes, the status of that quote is as of yet undetermined. I could not find any mention of it on any official sites, so I do not think he said it.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/brazil.htm


"My plan reduces the national debt, and fast. So fast, in fact, that economists worry that we're going to run out of debt to retire." —radio address, Feb. 24, 2001

He concluded that comment by stating that it would be a good worry to have. He did not imply that having no national debt would be a bad thing. Also, this was prior to the war in Iraq, which is the main cause of the growing national debt. Here's the full transcript:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/02/20010224.html

"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

Yes, the president claimed that he was not very introspective. In fact, he is quite the extrovert. I do not think that there is anything wrong with that. Also, he prefaced his comment by saying that he was not a very formal man, etc.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/06/20030604-3.html

Flip-flop

No, that simply shows that Bush is quite flexible in his policies and doesn't stubbornly try to do something, like capture bin Laden, if there are better ways to allocate our resources. In fact, he said that our money would be better spent helping our men and women fighting over in Iraq. I see nothing wrong with this. Please don't take quotes out of context:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5,

Well, what better way to catch a criminal than to think like one?

Nah, he's just plain stupid.

What's your point? I don't recall claiming that drugs are a recent invention or anything -- I simply stated that a large preponderance of liberals believe in the legalization of drugs. The fact that people have historically done drugs is irrelevant; it is equally beside the point as stating that people have killed each other for centuries. Cocaine may have been a medicine prior to the discovery of the extremely detrimental health effects -- we thought that tobacco was good for a long time, too. Now that we have additional information, we need to update our laws to reflect this circumstance. If you want to take cocaine 'cause you don't feel good, there is something seriously wrong with you or you are suicidal.
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Drugs are very dangerous both to security and to the user. They are illegal for a good reason, and they need to be contained.


You do realize that the drugs that kill most Americans are the ones that are legal right?
Alcohol & Tobacco kill more people than all of the illegal drugs put together!

I challenge you to prove that cannabis is dangerous in any way.

And how are drugs dangerous to security?
The statement itself is absurd.

Unless you mean that the money that people pay for illegal drugs goes to fund criminals/terrorists.
And my answer to that would be legalize them.

You do not see to many criminals and terrorists making money off of alcohol (at least not since Prohibition was repealed) or tobacco now do you?

I believe in small government as long as the government is large enough to enforce the laws of the country and protects its citizens.

And yet you support Bush?
The pResident that single-handedly created the largest Federal government bureaucracy to date?
And the department he created is a joke!
Just ask a poor person from New Orleans!

You really got a strong dose of the Kool-Aid my friend!

But you have no proof of that. I can just as easily say that Bush meticulously studies every single point of policy before making his decision in a thoroughly logical and rational manner. Can I prove my assertion? No, of course not -- and neither can you. I was looking more for hard proof of a particular deed he did which you deemed stupid.

He was asked what he did after signing the order to go to war in Iraq.

He said that he had just given an order to send men and women to fight, to kill, and many of them, to die. So he went to pray.

When one of his aids told him there was no evidence that there were WMD's in Iraq, Bush said he knew they were there. When asked how he responded "instinct."

i.e. Rather than trying to make the right decision, he makes the one he likes and hopes it was right. He not only doesn't bother to seek out information, he actively rejects it. His own statements demonstrate this. If he isn't stupid, he wants us to think he is because it will lead us to excuse his stupid policies.

But you have no proof of that. I can just as easily say that Bush meticulously studies every single point of policy before making his decision in a thoroughly logical and rational manner. Can I prove my assertion? No, of course not -- and neither can you. I was looking more for hard proof of a particular deed he did which you deemed stupid.

Have you ever once heard him say that he studied other options? Have you every heard him say anything about the assets of other options? In the debates, could he think of one time he made a wrong decision? All reports are that at his election he was going to find a reason to go to war in Iraq. He looked for an oportunity not a reason. All reports say that he rejected even looking at evidence that the exiles that hadn't been in Iraq for years might not have known if Iraq had WMD's or not, but took their word because it fit what he had decided. At the same time it is widely reported that CIA informants in Iraq reported ther were no WMD's but they were rejected outright. He pulled the inspectors out because they weren't finding support for the decided upon war. (If you were going to war would it not be an advantage to have inspectors scoping out the enemy as much as possible before you went in? All he had to do was wait to see if Saddam would throw them out, if Saddam did, he would have had probable cause. But if he didn't we would gain vast intelligence.) Not if you didn't want the answer they were setting to give. All reports are that any military officer that says anything but what he wants to hear are not invited to another meeting and are hindered in promotion. And this is just one aspect of one issue.

Find any issue where there was more than one option considered. Pick an issue and read the history. The man has not once made up his mind AFTER looking at the evidence. And has not once allowed contrary evidence to be considered. He's proud of the fact. He admits it regularly.

It's hard not to see this aspect of his personallity.

What's your point? I don't recall claiming that drugs are a recent invention or anything -- I simply stated that a large preponderance of liberals believe in the legalization of drugs. The fact that people have historically done drugs is irrelevant; it is equally beside the point as stating that people have killed each other for centuries. Cocaine may have been a medicine prior to the discovery of the extremely detrimental health effects -- we thought that tobacco was good for a long time, too. Now that we have additional information, we need to update our laws to reflect this circumstance. If you want to take cocaine 'cause you don't feel good, there is something seriously wrong with you or you are suicidal.


The point is, you are talking out of your arse.

'Liberals' are not finding ways to legalise that which was illegal, the fascistically conservative are finding ways to make more and more legal things ILLEGAL.

When guns are finally outlawed in this country, watch for the conservatives to be the group that does it.


I believe in small government as long as the government is large enough to enforce the laws of the country and protects its citizens. Drugs are very dangerous both to security and to the user. They are illegal for a good reason, and they need to be contained.


The govrnment that constantly makes more and more things illegal, makes a job for themselves that has a larger and larger scope... in 'enforcing' all their laws.

It is impossible for a prohibitionist regime to be 'small government'.


That's because nobody gave one iota of refutable proof regarding Bush's idiocy.

That appears to be because most people don't think he is truly stupid... just less-bright than they might desire, or insultingly condescending. I'm not sure which is worse.

Perhaps he's not stupid. Perhaps he is merely surrounded by incompetents at all levels of the government and military. That explains why the bulk of his high-profile policies are incredibly foolish or based on outright lies.

On the other hand, a member of the government has only a couple of key roles he has to be able to perform
(a) He has to be charismatic. - He is, I am assured by people who have met him.
(b) He has to be able to present his policies. - Lots of evidence points to his inability to appear intelligent or on the ball on TV.
(c) He has to be able to remember key facts. - Such as who the leaders of the Nuclear powers are, which Bush can't.
(d) He has to be able to work tirelessly to help his country. - Or go on holiday, expecially during national disasters.
(e) He has to have a handful of key, high-profile initiatives that are successful. - Iraq, Afghanistan, Kyoto?
(f) He has to avoid getting caught breaking the law. - Shame.
(g) He has to understand that being the head of an organisation makes him responsible for that organisation. - He throws a lot of people to the wolves.
(h) He has to avoid being caught lying. - Iraq and 9/11 anyone?

Or, you can just judge him on his legacy:
Bush has made a mockery of modern Democracy, the West and serious environmental threat that faces the entire world. His legacy is damage and death across the world.

No, he is not stupid. But he IS leading us to Hell on a road paved with his good intentions.

It is the heat. It must fry your brain. 90's with humidity for a good chunk of the year? Awful. And to think people want to move to that furnace.

so is that really the first sign of insanity? do they really go crazy because they move there, or is it that they move there because they start losing their minds? maybe the desire to move there is an early warning symptom. give it a few more years and the Surgeon-General will be putting out public health notices telling us to report anyone who starts talking about moving to Texas. like, "if someone you know is reading travel brochures for Texas, just call this free number now: 0800 reportanut. that's 0800 reportanut. your call will be kept confidential, and your friend will be kept in an asylum until he's no longer a danger to society."

just a thought

I hope Bush is an idiot. Otherwise, that means he's a smug, condescending, arrogant, narrow-minded, Machievellian, would-be autocrat. Being an idiot would make his mistakes and lapses in judgement understandable and maybe even forgiveable.

I hope Bush is an idiot. Otherwise, that means he's a smug, condescending, arrogant, narrow-minded, Machievellian, would-be autocrat. Being an idiot would make his mistakes and lapses in judgement understandable and maybe even forgiveable.

"would-be"?

Is. Always has been. Elections are window-dressing.

(c) He has to be able to remember key facts. - Such as who the leaders of the Nuclear powers are, which Bush can't.
or, say, the prime minister of Canada. "Yeah sure, me and Jean Poutine play golf together."

http://dewit.ca/archs/poutine/index.html

Stupid is a relative term in this case. When comparing Bush to past American Presidents we could probably say he is rather dim, but in comparison to the average Texan he probably earns two gold stars.

Bush is now today offically a de-facto Dictator. How do you like this Amerika? ice de siet von Riech?!?!

Compared to other world leaders, Bush is definitely not the brightest, but compared to the population at large, he is pretty average I would say.

Going by "Gump's Law", wich states "Stupid is as stupid does", Bush is stupid for a number of reasons, the foremost one being:

1. Bush Jr invaded Iraq, and attempted an ocupation.

This is particularly stupid, becuase his own father, Bush Sr, a much smarter, and much wiser man, did not.
The reason Bush Sr did not, was becuase no viable exit strategy could be made.

This means That while a victory over Saddams forces was enivitable, total victory and exit were not (and still arent) feasible.

Many liberals assert that Bush is a retard. When questioned further, the only thing they can come up with is that he can't pronounce "nuclear." Really, who the hell gives a shit about how he pronounces one word? Clinton isn't judged because he doesn't know the meaning of "sexual relations," so why should Bush be judged on such narrow criteria? If any liberals on this forum believe Bush to be dumb, can you please post your reasons? I will try my best to rebut them.
When I was in seventh grade, I took the SAT on a lark. I scored a 1260, higher than Bush.

i would say bush is such a complete puppet of conscousless economic forces and pseudoreligeous idi-illogical interests that his own possible lack of sense is of no real pertinance. he isn't alowed to use his own judgement anyway. the rumsfields and cheneys and rand corp stoogies let him play pressident as long as he signs off on what they tell him to.

the main thing he's guilty of is so enthusiasticly promoting and supporting their aggenda. and that agenda is of course one with little or no reguard for human life. or any other kind of life for that matter.

he's just a hood orniment for the mafia dons like rove and cheney and rumsfield so it really doesn't matter if he's an idiot or not. my guess is that he could probably manage a commisary kitchen but i wouldn't want eat there if they made him head chief.

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I don't think he is stupid. Just a lot less bright than you would expect given his job.

I also think he comes across as a dumbass as he is not very articulate and performs poorly in debates and public speaking. Particulary when compared to other previous presidents and his opponents.

Going by "Gump's Law", wich states "Stupid is as stupid does", Bush is stupid for a number of reasons, the foremost one being:

1. Bush Jr invaded Iraq, and attempted an ocupation.

This is particularly stupid, becuase his own father, Bush Sr, a much smarter, and much wiser man, did not.
The reason Bush Sr did not, was becuase no viable exit strategy could be made.

This means That while a victory over Saddams forces was enivitable, total victory and exit were not (and still arent) feasible.

Bush Sr., in my opinion which is by no means an expert opinion, pulled out for political reasons. He failed to revive the economy and the American people knew it, Sr. hoped he could regain enough support by bringing the troops home that he could stay in office.

An occupation of Iraq would have been much easier in 1991 because we had Muslim nations in oiur coalition too, that would mean any religious issues could be thrown out the window since it would be Muslims occupying a Muslim nation, not westerners occupying a Muslim nation.

Many liberals assert that Bush is a retard. When questioned further, the only thing they can come up with is that he can't pronounce "nuclear." Really, who the hell gives a shit about how he pronounces one word? Clinton isn't judged because he doesn't know the meaning of "sexual relations," so why should Bush be judged on such narrow criteria? If any liberals on this forum believe Bush to be dumb, can you please post your reasons? I will try my best to rebut them.


I've heard Bush doesn't like to be infront of Cameras. He is afraid he'll say something wrong and be horribly ridiculed for it, so he takes his time and analyzes everything he says before he says it.


Personally? I don't think he's very articulate. But he must have some degree of intelligence to learn to fly an airplane.

I don't know about bush but I think it would be better for NSG for RealAmerica to be banned again

I KNOW Bush is stupid. A found a list of the president's IQs here (http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/bushiq.html).

147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (r)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (r)
121 Gerald Ford (r)
175 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald Reagan (r)
098 George HW Bush (r)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
091 George W. Bush (r)

Now I might be implying somthing when I say the presidents that have D(emocrat)s next to them tend to have higher IQs....

I KNOW Bush is stupid. A found a list of the president's IQs here (http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/bushiq.html).

147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (r)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (r)
121 Gerald Ford (r)
175 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald Reagan (r)
098 George HW Bush (r)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
091 George W. Bush (r)

Now I might be implying somthing when I say the presidents that have D(emocrat)s next to them tend to have higher IQs....

Urban Legend.

Now I might be implying somthing when I say the presidents that have D(emocrat)s next to them tend to have higher IQs....


Yes, you would be insinuating something, indeed. That you are so extremely gullible and impressionable that you'll believe any bullshit that conforms with your point of view. That data was proven false numerous times.

I don't find him stupid. In fact, I find him to be a perfect role model. I started pronouncing "nuclear" "nucular" because I think it makes me sound more intelligent.

One's IQ doesn't mean anything. Like, I know my mom got a really high score...