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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=405477&in_page_id=1770

New security cameras that scold you for "anti-social" behavior...I dont really like to be the guy to toss out overused phrases like "big brother", but I really find this quite frightening. your thoughts?

Well, since the camera is already there, I don't think the loud speaker is that big of a step. I wonder if this means that the desperately lonely in Middleborough will wander out at night to have conversations with the Security cameras . . .

Yep... Keep watching America... while in Britian, they're taking away your doormats and watching you and now passing judgement right there...

I wonder about the two blokes fighting outside the nightclub tho... did they think that it was God speaking from the Heavens?

Reason 1,654,241,995,000 why I don't like a big government.

Reason 1,654,241,995,000 why I don't like a big government.

what are the other 1,654,241,994,999 reasons?

what are the other 1,654,241,994,999 reasons?

Oh I could tell you, but then we would never get to partake in life's greatest joys.

Mainly because I think that the bigger the government, the more control they'll try to put onto the masses in public and private life. Nice of Britian to demostrate this point for me.

I can imagine it now.
CITIZEN, YOUR SHOELACE IS UNTIED!

I can imagine it now.
CITIZEN, YOUR SHOELACE IS UNTIED!

or...

Hey you, nice melons!

or...

Hey you, nice melons!

Ahh... I can just see the complaint for being written up as we speak.

*shakes head in disgust*

*shakes head in disgust*

Hey, you must remember, the government is just trying to keep the people safe. So what if they lose their privacy, and get public humiliated now, its for the better good.

/sarcasm

or...

Hey you, nice melons!

There was a case a few months ago where some CCTV operators were found guilty of sexual assault or some similar offence for setting their camera up to watch a woman changing through her flat window.

As for talking cameras, that is a bit...strange. You come to learn to live with the presence of CCTV everywhere, but some Brummy operator shouting at you to do things from the other end? That's more than a bit too much.

if only britons would generally be a bit more touchy about their freedom and more skeptic when the government goes "oh but it is for you law abiding lot... why should the law-abiding majority (/* oh how i hate that phrase */) suffer because of a few delinquents" the whole thing would be easy to boycot... but the heard mentality in this country is beyond belief:mad:

Hey Libertarians, if you give me a grant and a baseball bat I'll go around and smash some if you like. You get the satisfaction of knowing that freedom is 'on the march', and I'll get to smash things.

It's win-win :D

how much is a baseball bat these days? mind you, it must be metal;)

Better start carrying those flare grenades that can overload security systems. Not EMP grenades, ones with lotsa chaff and fire. Not sure exactly how it works.

Hey Libertarians, if you give me a grant and a baseball bat I'll go around and smash some if you like. You get the satisfaction of knowing that freedom is 'on the march', and I'll get to smash things.

It's win-win :D

Don't forget your balaclava/hoodie/bandana

Hey Libertarians, if you give me a grant and a baseball bat I'll go around and smash some if you like. You get the satisfaction of knowing that freedom is 'on the march', and I'll get to smash things.

It's win-win :D

Cricket bat....

Cricket bat....

Cricket bats are too thick. A baseball bat can easily slide down your trouser leg.

Cricket bats are too thick. A baseball bat can easily slide down your trouser leg.

No need for imported sporting equipment ta very much...

You can buy baseball bats at most big sports shops in England. Very few have ever been used for baseball though

I've said it before, i'll say it again.

I find it hilarious some people actually believe the Daily Mail is a reliable source of information.

Don't forget your balaclava/hoodie/bandana

combine the three and you're invincible

I've said it before, i'll say it again.

I find it hilarious some people actually believe the Daily Mail is a reliable source of information.

Well, the Beeb has the same story, but the Daily Heil does seem to print a large amount of shit. It's a shame that both my Grandmas believe it to be the gospel truth.

"Fuck off and get jobs, teenagers!"

"Mate, your fly is undone..."

"Phwoar! Look at the size of them... Oh shit... the mic's on..."

"Would you hit it? Yeah - with a cricket bat!"

"Who cut your hair? The council?"

Oh the joys that will ensue, and the sheer amount of formal complains that will ensue, as well as the more informal ones, such as kicking the speakers off the sides of these posts...

When you think about it they'll probably be on 20/30 ft high posts rigged with spikes which will make breaking them very difficult.

When you think about it they'll probably be on 20/30 ft high posts rigged with spikes which will make breaking them very difficult.
Bricks ftw.

Bricks ftw.

*brick goes up*

*brick goes down*

*thrower dies horribly*

I see a small but fatal flaw in your plan...

and also it's not as if CCTV cameras do much in England anyway, I must of done something worthy of an ASBO (not much that you can do that'll not give you an ASBO) hundreds of times in front of a CCTV camera, and not a single complaint about my behaviour, but I'm not supporting these things, though it will be kinda comical...

But also scary.

Now we just need to put them on flying things and we've got it made.

*brick goes up*

*brick goes down*

*thrower dies horribly*

I see a small but fatal flaw in your plan
Not if you're throwing them a bit forward.

Simple as that, really.

Not if you're throwing them a bit forward.

Simple as that, really.

*brick goes up*

*brick goes forwards*

*brick goes down*

*brick kills Help the Aged person randomly*

Better?

You can buy baseball bats at most big sports shops in England. Very few have ever been used for baseball though

Its just not crigget!

*brick goes up*

*brick goes forwards*

*brick goes down*

*brick kills Help the Aged person randomly*

Better?
Oh please...

The source cited by the OP is the Daily Mail. I refuse to take any story by that paper seriously. This one in particular.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/2986228.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/2986228.stm

Thanks for providing a more reliable source. I can now recognise the validity of the existence of these camera's. The entire scheme seems a little half-baked to me...

You! Yes, you! behind the bikesheds, stand still laddie!

You! Yes, you! behind the bikesheds, stand still laddie!

YOU WIN!!!

For the excellent use of a Floyd Quote!

These things are scary. Even if you leave ideas like profiles of movements fir the future so far, the privacy is seriously inhibited. Also, in my opinion, this is lowering the respect of people in the laws in general and therefore achieve the exact opposite of what is intended. Also, you will be enticed to delegate responsibility to the state. Since "hey, they have seen it as well!"

reason #4316186954 why i don't wan't to live in the U.K.

Hey Libertarians, if you give me a grant and a baseball bat I'll go around and smash some if you like. You get the satisfaction of knowing that freedom is 'on the march', and I'll get to smash things.

It's win-win :D

Hey I'll support that! Comon Brits it's time to fight, for your rights, to Privacy!

The next time I'm in England I'm going to try and start a conversation with one of those guys. Do these things have mics too, or will I have to hold up signs?

Apperently they can spin around to the sound of broken glass

Apperently they can spin around to the sound of broken glass

Excellent. *begins to plan conversation with a camera*

Excellent. *begins to plan conversation with a camera*
Sounds like fun. *Plans his own*

The next time I'm in England I'm going to try and start a conversation with one of those guys. Do these things have mics too, or will I have to hold up signs?
No idea, but the signs thing is a good idea.

Try communicating in sign language perhaps also, or German.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/2986228.stm

Bus shelters seem a little different from what the Mail was talking about...

I can imagine it now.
CITIZEN, YOUR SHOELACE IS UNTIED!
I was thinking something like this:
Pick up that can. Pick, up, the can! Now, put it in the trash.
-Now imagine if it really was Combine soldiers watching you :eek:

LOL ask for directions at one. ;)

i want a convo with one

Bricks ftw.
The next step would be attaching a remotely controlled gun to the camera. Oh, non-letal rounds, of course.


In the US you can break a camera. In Soviet Britain, camera breaks you!

Bus shelters seem a little different from what the Mail was talking about...

Yeah, it has a slight tendency to exagerate

Best idea for a sign to hold up to one of the cameras:
There is a camera in that room. How do you like it?

*looooooooooooooooool*

Unbreakable Union of Ireland and Wales
The England has wielded forever to stand!
Created in struggle by will of the Police,
United and Safe our Sovereign Land!

CHORUS:
Sing to our Motherland, Safe and Undying,
Bulwark of People in Security Strong!
Flag of the Britain, Flag of Surveillance,
From Victory to Victory leading us on!

Through tempests the shadows of Safety have cheered us,
Along the new path where great Blair did lead,
Be true to the people, thus Our Queen has reared us,
Inspired us to Labor and Valorus Deed.

CHORUS:
Sing to our Motherland, Safe and Undying,
Bulwark of Peoples in Security Strong!
Flag of the Britain, Flag of Surveillance,
From Victory to Victory leading us on!

Our police grew up in the heat of grim battle,
Liberal invaders we'll queitly strike down.
Vigilant, the fate of the future we'll settle,
Our country we'll lead to eternal renown!

CHORUS:
Sing to our Motherland, Safe and Undying,
Bulwark of People in Security Strong!
Flag of the Britain, Flag of Surveillance,
From Victory to Victory leading us on!



-[PD]-

thats good, no scotland though...

Unbreakable Union of Ireland and Wales
The England has wielded forever to stand!
Created in struggle by will of the Police,
United and Safe our Sovereign Land!

CHORUS:
Sing to our Motherland, Safe and Undying,
Bulwark of People in Security Strong!
Flag of the Britain, Flag of Surveillance,
From Victory to Victory leading us on!

Through tempests the shadows of Safety have cheered us,
Along the new path where great Blair did lead,
Be true to the people, thus Our Queen has reared us,
Inspired us to Labor and Valorus Deed.

CHORUS:
Sing to our Motherland, Safe and Undying,
Bulwark of Peoples in Security Strong!
Flag of the Britain, Flag of Surveillance,
From Victory to Victory leading us on!

Our police grew up in the heat of grim battle,
Liberal invaders we'll queitly strike down.
Vigilant, the fate of the future we'll settle,
Our country we'll lead to eternal renown!

CHORUS:
Sing to our Motherland, Safe and Undying,
Bulwark of People in Security Strong!
Flag of the Britain, Flag of Surveillance,
From Victory to Victory leading us on!



-[PD]-
Damn! you beat me to it!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=405477&in_page_id=1770

New security cameras that scold you for "anti-social" behavior...I dont really like to be the guy to toss out overused phrases like "big brother", but I really find this quite frightening. your thoughts?

I expect Guy Fawkes masks to be appearing soon enough...

I think the CCTV cameras are over the top. But since Nanny put them up anyway I think that the speakers probably humanise the damned things a little and can actually lower the number of crimes committed in their immediate vicinity by reminding drunken chavs that they are being watched.

It might be worth the few extra quid it would cost to fit robot arms to the camera poles. These should look just like the arms on the Lost in Space robot and should perform the same function: to wave around in a wildly spastic fashion to call sattention to themselves whenever the loudspeakers are annunciating danger or warnings. Filtering the plod's voice so that it sounds like a robot would also be a plus.

The cameras and loudspeakers are a Big Brother-ish, but think how cool it'd be to work in the control room!

"OI! FATSO! Try jogging!":upyours:

Just imagine how awesome that would be.

Excellent. *begins to plan conversation with a camera*

Hey, you! The government or whoever you are! Bet You're used to chavs and neds trying to mess with your eye-in-the-sky! Well let's see how you fare versus the nerds! In which country is the kursk river! What's "eight" in austrian! Answer me, council boy!

*Waits for response, if correct*

Okay, now if you're so smart, why are you working in this kind of crap job? Join the revolution! JOIN USSS! We are the British people!

*If incorrect*

Nyer, nyer! What're ya gonna do! ASBO me? HAH!

Too many cameras around England?
Sure!
Mr Blair has to do something to be remembered.
He missed as a dictator, let him be BB the man who cares for you.

thats good, no scotland though... We forgot <s>Poland</s> Scotland!

So...


Unbreakable Union of Scotland and Ireland
The England has welded forever to stand!
Created in struggle by will of the Police,
United and Safe our Sovereign Land!

CHORUS:
Sing to our Motherland, Safe and Undying,
Bulwark of People in Security Strong!
Flag of the Britain, Flag of Surveillance,
From Freedom to Safety leading us on!

Through tempests the shadows of Safety have cheered us,
Along the new path where great Blair did lead,
Be true to the people, thus Our Queen has reared us,
Inspired us to Labour and Valourus Deed.

CHORUS:
Sing to our Motherland, Safe and Undying,
Bulwark of People in Security Strong!
Flag of the Britain, Flag of Surveillance,
From Freedom to Safety leading us on!

Our police grew up in the War of the Terror,
Liberal invaders we'll quietly strike down.
Vigilant, the fate of the future we'll settle,
Our country we'll lead to eternal renown!

CHORUS:
Sing to our Motherland, Safe and Undying,
Bulwark of People in Security Strong!
Flag of the Britain, Flag of Surveillance,
From Freedom to Safety leading us on!

These cameras should be a nice compliment to the proposed UK identity card system if that idea gets off the ground.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uk_national_identity_card

These cameras should be a nice compliment to the proposed UK identity card system if that idea gets off the ground.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uk_national_identity_card

*cough*Guy Fawkes Masks*Cough*

Bus shelters seem a little different from what the Mail was talking about...

This is probably a little closer to the Mail story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/5353538.stm)

*cough*Guy Fawkes Masks*Cough*

Nah the masks Alex and his droogs wear in A Clockwork Orange would be better

The Guy Fawkes mask can be hidden with a hood. People would notice if you had a huge nose sticking out.

Reason 1,654,241,995,000 why I don't like a big government.
Damn... that's a lot.

Camera: Watch your language, young man.
Random passerby: Fuck you, I'm a 42... 29 year old woman.

We forgot <s>Poland</s> Scotland!

So...


Unbreakable Union of Scotland and Ireland
The England has welded forever to stand!
Created in struggle by will of the Police,
United and Safe our Sovereign Land!

CHORUS:
Sing to our Motherland, Safe and Undying,
Bulwark of People in Security Strong!
Flag of the Britain, Flag of Surveillance,
From Freedom to Safety leading us on!

Through tempests the shadows of Safety have cheered us,
Along the new path where great Blair did lead,
Be true to the people, thus Our Queen has reared us,
Inspired us to Labour and Valourus Deed.

CHORUS:
Sing to our Motherland, Safe and Undying,
Bulwark of People in Security Strong!
Flag of the Britain, Flag of Surveillance,
From Freedom to Safety leading us on!

Our police grew up in the War of the Terror,
Liberal invaders we'll quietly strike down.
Vigilant, the fate of the future we'll settle,
Our country we'll lead to eternal renown!

CHORUS:
Sing to our Motherland, Safe and Undying,
Bulwark of People in Security Strong!
Flag of the Britain, Flag of Surveillance,
From Freedom to Safety leading us on!

um. it should be scotland and wales.ireland is independant country now.

This is probably a little closer to the Mail story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/5353538.stm)

Indeed. I'd also like to add for the record, that Ray Mallon is an authoritarian whackjob who got booted from the Police for corruption. The people of Middlesborough promptly elected him mayor. Silly Smoggies :rolleyes:

I suddenly have this urge to try hacking in and saying things of an extremely inappropriate nature over the intercom to innocent passersby.

*cough*Guy Fawkes Masks*Cough*

Exactly what I was thinking. My favourite passage is the operators' guidelines:
"The control room operators have been given strict guidelines about what commands they can give. Yelling 'Oi you, stop that', is not permitted."

I can just hear the accent.

I think this is a great idea. Laws cannot be enforced if people are selfish, and they're selfish unless they can get caught. Train people to follow the Golden Rule and this wouldn't be necessary.

New security cameras that scold you for "anti-social" behavior...I dont really like to be the guy to toss out overused phrases like "big brother", but I really find this quite frightening. your thoughts?

I am unclear on what purpose these cameras serve. If it is to discourage mild forms of "anti-social" behaviour such as littering, then they seem a bit excessive. And I hardly think they are going to "shame" people engaging in drunken brawls into acting better.

Also, the opportunity for abuse by either the government or certain individuals who have access to them is tremendous. They can be used for sexual harassment or predation (as has already occurred) or even blackmail.

So I can't see these serving any useful purpose, and the potential for abuse is high. How much more of our freedom are we prepared to give away for the false sense of security these measures provide?

Maybe when nobody is misbehaving they can use the system to subliminally send pro-nanny and pro-gummint nationalistic messages at very low volume levels.

I was thinking something like this:
Pick up that can. Pick, up, the can! Now, put it in the trash.
-Now imagine if it really was Combine soldiers watching you :eek:
If I was one of the guys running the cameras I'd record that line in the game and play it next time someone littered.

If I was the guy watching the cameras I would be like

"Hey you, yes you, Hey I'm really lonely here and *sigh* it's just so dark and lonely, do you want to chat for a bit?"

Hey Libertarians, if you give me a grant and a baseball bat I'll go around and smash some if you like. You get the satisfaction of knowing that freedom is 'on the march', and I'll get to smash things.

It's win-win :D

nah... not bats, nor bricks... Paintball guns!

or sling dog doo at the cameras... :D