NationStates Jolt Archive

I have seen many people arguing about liberal or conservative. I dislike this way to distinguish the countless different positions. Therefore, I want to know whether some Pirate Party members are in the holy halls of General and what the general meaning on this party is.

If you do not know what the Pirate Party is, I'll summarize it for you: The idea developed in Sweden and spread to different other nations. The ideals, which all Pirate Parties share are those of freer access to information, a less rigid patent system, legalization of filesharing on noncommercial basis. They are against surveillance in the name or terror-prevention, against data retention and for the right to privacy.

For more information:
Sweden: http://www.piratpartiet.se/
Austria: http://www.ppoe.or.at/
Belgium: http://www.parti-pirate.be/
France: http://www.parti-pirate.info/
Germany: http://www.piratenpartei.de/
Italy: http://www.piratpartiet.it/
Spain: http://www.partidopirata.es/
USA: http://www.pirate-party.us/

...they are against surveillance in the name or terror-prevention...

Oh, so they are terrorists and terrorist sympathizers? Yes, I'm sure there are lots of those in NSG. Most of them respond to "liberal" or "commie."

Begoner21;11690148']Oh, so they are terrorists and terrorist sympathizers? Yes, I'm sure there are lots of those in NSG. Most of them respond to "liberal" or "commie."

You win at generalisation. Your award is in the mail.

I don't care..?

Begoner21;11690148']Oh, so they are terrorists and terrorist sympathizers? Yes, I'm sure there are lots of those in NSG. Most of them respond to "liberal" or "commie."

Surveillance is not effective against terror, surveillance is only effective against the casual user not against those, who really put effort in outsmarting the system. Those who are against surveillance of every step are not terrorists, but those, who want to live in the freedom by their respective constitutions.

Surveillance is not effective against terror, surveillance is only effective against the casual user not against those, who really put effort in outsmarting the system. Those who are against surveillance of every step are not terrorists, but those, who want to live in the freedom by their respective constitutions.

I agree with that to a point. Those who wish to avoid surveillance can learn and develop ways to counteract it. Still, I'd prefer to keep the option available--via warrant of course--as surveillance will always be useful to some extent, due simply to the pace of technology. As ways are countered, new ways emerge, and so on.

Surveillance is not effective against terror, surveillance is only effective against the casual user not against those, who really put effort in outsmarting the system. Those who are against surveillance of every step are not terrorists, but those, who want to live in the freedom by their respective constitutions.

Terrorists are not too bright on average. They run around like chickens with their heads cut off, for the most part, and then blow up their remaining body parts with dynamite. Anyway, there aren't that many good ways to communicate except the internets and the telephone. I don't think they're going to be sending smoke signals or telegraphs to each other.

I agree with that to a point. Those who wish to avoid surveillance can learn and develop ways to counteract it. Still, I'd prefer to keep the option available--via warrant of course--as surveillance will always be useful to some extent, due simply to the pace of technology. As ways are countered, new ways emerge, and so on.


As long as it works with a warrant, i can accept surveillance as well, but most modern methods of surveillance are based on the idea that everyone could be guilty, which is in my opinion a breach of the basic rule "innocent until proven guilty". I do not want every public place, every train, every phonecall, every IP-packet to be surveilled.


And no, terrorists are not dumb, at least not the really dangerous ones. You ask how else to communicate? Via steganographic messages for example? Via encrypted communication, sent to a hive of proxies? Via letter?

Begoner21;11690239']Terrorists are not too bright on average. They run around like chickens with their heads cut off, for the most part, and then blow up their remaining body parts with dynamite. Anyway, there aren't that many good ways to communicate except the internets and the telephone. I don't think they're going to be sending smoke signals or telegraphs to each other.

I think you just gave yourself away as a troll by referring to the internet as the "internets".

As long as it works with a warrant, i can accept surveillance as well, but most modern methods of surveillance are based on the idea that everyone could be guilty, which is in my opinion a breach of the basic rule "innocent until proven guilty". I do not want every public place, every train, every phonecall, every IP-packet to be surveilled.


And no, terrorists are not dumb, at least not the really dangerous ones. You ask how else to communicate? Via steganographic messages for example? Via encrypted communication, sent to a hive of proxies? Via letter?

I agree with you completely on this. Besides, if we did watch EVERYTHING, we'd probably miss more than we'd catch due just to the sheer amount of information. I honestly don't think it's possible anymore to truly get away with surveilling everything.

Begoner21;11690148']Oh, so they are terrorists and terrorist sympathizers? Yes, I'm sure there are lots of those in NSG. Most of them respond to "liberal" or "commie."

woof!

I think you just gave yourself away as a troll by referring to the internet as the "internets".

Is eveybody who makes a slight spelling error a troll? Is everyone who does not have a Ph.D. in computer science also one? Well, you, sir, are an ogre.

i woonder when poland will get one?

i woonder when poland will get one?

Maybe you should find people sharing your political ideas and you start it?

W00t, I managed to add a poll, yay me!

So its an organization for those self-righteous losers who insist that they have an "Insert Chosen Diety Here"-given right to own a copy of The Hole?
What a silly people you 'Net Denizens are, why can't you just admit that you're doing something illegal and unethical and then move on doing it? I do.

Legal or illegal depends on the legal code. In Myanmar, there are no intellectual property rights, as far as I know. The question therefore is not whether it is illegal, but is whether it is immoral. In My opinion, if there are other means to generate revenue or ideas like the flatrate for culture, it is not immoral at all.

On a further note, it's Talk Like a Pirate Day on tuesday. Hope y'all're prepared!!!

i woonder when poland will get one?
I have asked in an international chat (#piratenpartei-international on irc.freenode.net) and they linked me here:
http://www.pp-international.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=13 Is that in your interest?