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Well I really screwed up this time. Just take what DCD said about. Sorry guys.:(


However i'd like to raise a question; Should military chaplains be able to use the name Jesus in a prayer?

The same story from a less biased source.



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Looks like they didn't criminalize christianity although the Christo-Fascists will spin it that way. They love playing the victim while cramming their religion down everyone's throat.

Janet L. Folger is president of Faith2Action, and author of "The Criminalization of Christianity."
Hmm... the President of an evangelical group, trying to sell her book.

I'm sure that explains why that was such a fair and balanced article.

The same story from a less biased source.

NORFOLK -- A Navy chaplain was convicted yesterday of disobeying an order by appearing in uniform at a political news conference at the White House. He said he will appeal -- and fight to remain a chaplain.

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Looks like they didn't criminalize christianity although the Christo-Fascists will spin it that way. They love playing the victim while cramming their religion down everyone's throat.

Having actually been in the Navy, I call BS.

edit:Like dcd showed.

Them basturd athaist moslim navy basterds

Dont them know the uhmurkan constetooshun is the BIBEL, how dare thay take JEZUS out the navy

Ironically, both the Chaplain and the Judge are bearing false witness by ignoring the fact that the Chaplain was violating a direct order by publicly pushing a political in uniform.

Another article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082902036_pf.html), one that doesn't refer to the Secretary of the Navy as "Nebuchadnezzar" or make snide remarks about a cold chill in the room or Navy personnel taking Jesus's name in vain without being punished.

I think there's more to the story. A military chaplain is a very special person. There cann't be a chaplain in every unit for every belief. Therefore, a chaplain needs to be a councilor to all beliefs. I would say it is a good bet that this wasn't happening.

If a person wants to say, "I only do (insert denomination or belief)". They have no understanding of the job of chaplain, and probably no understanding of God.

christians making shit up in order to fill their persecution needs?! what will they think of next?

Them basturd athaist moslim navy basterds

Dont them know the uhmurkan constetooshun is the BIBEL, how dare thay take JEZUS out the navy

learn how to spell properly.

The same story from a less biased source.



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Looks like they didn't criminalize christianity although the Christo-Fascists will spin it that way. They love playing the victim while cramming their religion down everyone's throat.

Can we switch this with the OP. kthx

learn how to spell properly.

It's spelled just fine.

It's spelled just fine.

what do you mean?

what do you mean?

Are you saying I misspelled something now?

See? The US military would prefer its soldiers worship the false god of government and The Leader! Welcome to fascism.

Here is a little disturbing report about a chaplain who wasn't able to do his job-speak about Christ- because the Navy finds it offensive and uninclusive. Well I say if you want to hire a chaplain to talk about something other than Christ, then don't hire a Christian period. It is stupid that the Navy would hire a person of christian faith, to be a preacher of sorts to the sailors, and then tell them not to preach the name of Christ. Its like hiring me to make popcorn, but telling me to not make the popcorn. It makes no sense. The full article can be found here (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51979)

As i said read the rest of it here (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51979)


I'd say I guess it depends on what the job asked for.

If the job ASKS for someone to minister to the faiths of ALL personnel, then a Christian shouldn't APPLY for the job, UNLESS they can do it. ANd, neither should anyone else.

As it is, it begins to look like a 'christian' minister took the job purely as an excuse to launch some kind of discrimination suit AFTER the fact.

If a hear another story of christians being "persecuted" or the "crimininalization of christianity" I'm going to scream. I'm sick and tired of not-so tightly wrapped christian nutcases trying to prove that The Man is out to get them.

Are you saying I misspelled something now?

no. its just that the other guy cold not spell any word in his sentence.

no. its just that the other guy cold not spell any word in his sentence.

I believe it was an attempt at satire.

no. its just that the other guy cold not spell any word in his sentence.

Sure he could. I read it with no problem.

I edited the OP. My bad about the VERY biased source. Usually that site isn't that bad.:headbang:

Do people really think this isn't likely? Everyone knows that America is on the road to fascism.

Do people really think this isn't likely? Everyone knows that America is on the road to fascism.

Yep. Christo-Fascism. Soon we'll be the Christian version of Iran, and I'll be moving. What's the cost of living like in Sicily? I could get a job leading English speaking tourists around.

If a hear another story of christians being "persecuted" or the "crimininalization of christianity" I'm going to scream. I'm sick and tired of not-so tightly wrapped christian nutcases trying to prove that The Man is out to get them.

I couldn't agree more. In the US, anyway, Christians are The Man! Everything has to be a conspiracy, everyone has to be a victim, we've all been betrayed, stabbed in the back, it's pathetic (and the Left does the victim thing just as well, I'm sad to say).

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." - Sinclair Lewis

We're on that road right now.

The same story from a less biased source.



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Looks like they didn't criminalize christianity although the Christo-Fascists will spin it that way. They love playing the victim while cramming their religion down everyone's throat.

Christian fundamentalists. That most miserable of uptroden minorities.

I couldn't agree more. In the US, anyway, Christians are The Man! Everything has to be a conspiracy, everyone has to be a victim, we've all been betrayed, stabbed in the back, it's pathetic (and the Left does the victim thing just as well, I'm sad to say).

If they did it just as well, they'd control some part of the government.

Usually that site isn't that bad.

really? do we read the same wingnutdaily?

See? The US military would prefer its soldiers worship the false god of government and The Leader! Welcome to fascism.

Is that really the only alternative to Christianity that you can conceive of?

See? The US military would prefer its soldiers worship the false god of government and The Leader! Welcome to fascism.

While I'm willing (in my darker moments) to agree that the US military would like to turn all soldiers, sailors, marines and pilots into brainwashed little brown shirts, I disagree that the only alternative to this that all US military personnel need to worship Jesus. There are plenty of non-Christians in the US military, and if a US military chaplain is required to be spiritually generic in order to serve all personnel, then what's your problem with that? Obviously, "chaplain" in the US military does not mean "Christian."

I think there's more to the story. A military chaplain is a very special person. There cann't be a chaplain in every unit for every belief. Therefore, a chaplain needs to be a councilor to all beliefs. I would say it is a good bet that this wasn't happening.

If a person wants to say, "I only do (insert denomination or belief)". They have no understanding of the job of chaplain, and probably no understanding of God.

QFT(Quoted For Tacos)

You owe me three tacos. :)

Is that really the only alternative to Christianity that you can conceive of?

What use is a military that obeys the ten commandments?

I couldn't agree more. In the US, anyway, Christians are The Man! Everything has to be a conspiracy, everyone has to be a victim, we've all been betrayed, stabbed in the back, it's pathetic (and the Left does the victim thing just as well, I'm sad to say).

If they did it just as well, they'd control some part of the government.

They DO control the government. Through the news media. The news media are left-wing to a sickening degree, so left-wing, in fact, it isn't even funny. And we Christians (yes, I'm one, and i REFUSE to be ashamed of it, and you can say till you're blue in the face that I ought to be ashamed of being a Christian, but I simply WILL NOT be ashamed of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the Son of God, because He DIED FOR ME, whereas Mohammed did NOT die for anybody, and in fact killed people for not worshipping "Allah," who never begat a son according to the so-called "Koran") DO get a severe bum rap in the news media, while at the same time the Moslems are catered to, pampered, empathized with, and excused from being held responsible for any of their wrongdoings, instead blaming Israel and/or the USA for the crimes and atrocities these religious bigots (Moslems) commit.

What use is a military that obeys the ten commandments?

Parades and jazz bands?

They DO control the government. Through the news media. The news media are left-wing to a sickening degree, so left-wing, in fact, it isn't even funny. And we Christians (yes, I'm one, and i REFUSE to be ashamed of it, and you can say till you're blue in the face that I ought to be ashamed of being a Christian, but I simply WILL NOT be ashamed of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the Son of God, because He DIED FOR ME, whereas Mohammed did NOT die for anybody, and in fact killed people for not worshipping "Allah," who never begat a son according to the so-called "Koran") DO get a severe bum rap in the news media, while at the same time the Moslems are catered to, pampered, empathized with, and excused from being held responsible for any of their wrongdoings, instead blaming Israel and/or the USA for the crimes and atrocities these religious bigots (Moslems) commit.

Who said you should be ashamed of being a Christian? Be proud of it, if proud you are, but please do not tell me you're being persecuted in the US. And please do not tell me that the Media in this country is the center of a vast left-wing conspiracy that wishes to drive Christians from the public square. The Media are corporate, they care no more about you than they do about me, they care about their Bottom Line and Profit. For example, that CBS show some years back about Reagan was pulled because of protest from the right because it was felt it showed him in a bad light; the recent one that showed the Clinton Administration's stance against al-Qaeda was braodcast anyway (it is true the Reagan show did air, but only on a premium cable channel). Trust me, you are the Man, but you've been used by politicians who want you to be afraid, who want you to think you're under attack, so you'll vote for them.

Parades and jazz bands?

no other gods before me, muthafucka

Well I really screwed up this time. Just take what DCD said about. Sorry guys.:(


However i'd like to raise a question; Should military chaplains be able to use the name Jesus in a prayer?

Yes they should ... why is there a problem with that? I don't see you asking if any other religion should be allowed. If military chaplains are allowed to talk about other religions, then christainity should be no differant.

The Criminalization of Christianity ... not on my watch. :rolleyes:

Jesuse was a criminal, I ml gald he got what he got

Jesuse was a criminal, I ml gald he got what he got

That's a horribly stupid joke. And not even anit-humor funny, just stupid.

That's a horribly stupid joke. And not even anit-humor funny, just stupid.

No neede for name calling. Dont call me a stupiud joke, I didnt call you stupid. Its true what I said

No neede for name calling. Dont call me a stupiud joke, I didnt call you stupid. Its true what I said

So you're saying you're serious?

So you're saying you're serious?

hell yeah, No one dis obeys the greeks and lives, no one!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hell yeah, No one dis obeys the greeks and lives, no one!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you're saying your intention on if it's serious varies from post to post?

So you're saying your intention on if it's serious varies from post to post?

what? please make sense

what? please make sense

I'm getting mixed messages on whether you were serious.

I'm getting mixed messages on whether you were serious.
I'm getting the same from you. Are you drunk?

I'm getting the same from you. Are you drunk?

No, but my medication has probably worn off.

No, but my medication has probably worn off.

what? generally people feel more like they are drunk when they are on medication.

I'm getting mixed messages on whether you were serious.

Dude.

Read the bible.

He was a rabble rouser, and a threat to the Jewish synagogues.
He preached against Ceasar, (to the Romans anyway), Pilate, and the inherent corruption of the religious community.


Why on earth do you think he was arrested?

Judas...remember him?

Sold him out for 32 silver sheckles?

Informed the constabulary where he was, claimed the reward maybe?

Now, you can get all huffy if you like and tell me that your Lord and Saviour was most certainly not a criminal, and was not put to death by the very government that he spoke against, nor by the Jewish leaders wanted him gone becuase he may have had a growing cult following his every word, or...

...or maybe you can see that there is probably a difference in the christian telling of a tale, and the grains of truth behind the legends.

what? generally people feel more like they are drunk when they are on medication.

Well, my medication helps my hyperactivity, among other things.

Well, my medication helps my hyperactivity, among other things.

yeah, well my alcohol beats my soberness so there

yeah, well my alcohol beats my soberness so there

Ah, so, were you serious, or has the alchohol made you forget?

Ah, so, were you serious, or has the alchohol made you forget?

Your not even kmaing sence anymore. Go to sleep, your drunk I'll talk ot you in morning bro

Jesus stole my underpants. :(

Jesus stole my underpants. :(



You werent wearing any.

Pfft...sure, blame Jesus.

You werent wearing any.

Pfft...sure, blame Jesus.

I blame Jesus for everything. Am I a bad person?

Your not even kmaing sence anymore. Go to sleep, your drunk I'll talk ot you in morning bro

I fell asleep at 5, and woke up at 1.

Are you drunk, by the way?

Are you drunk, by the way?
probably, why

I blame Jesus for everything. Am I a bad person?

Probably.

But thats okay, see.

If the Christians are right, he'll probably forgive you.

God, however, will toast your ass.

Probably.

But thats okay, see.

If the Christians are right, he'll probably forgive you.

God, however, will toast your ass.

damnit. Gods an asshole

probably, why

I think it's interferring with your ability to understand my posts.

I think it's interferring with your ability to understand my posts.

you sound like my mother

damnit. Gods an asshole

Preaching to the chior.

you sound like my mother

I think we're both a bit temporarily deficient in the cognitive department right now.

I think we're both a bit temporarily deficient in the cognitive department right now.

too many big words, try again

too many big words, try again

You both stoned.

Talk no good.

Make talk next day.

You both stoned.

Talk no good.

Make talk next day.

Talk...right...brain...broke...need...brain.

Is that really the only alternative to Christianity that you can conceive of?
No it's not. In a liberal society worship of whatever religion is permitted. In a fascist society is is disapproved of, or banned, because the government deifies its Leader.

They DO control the government. Through the news media. The news media are left-wing to a sickening degree, so left-wing, in fact, it isn't even funny. And we Christians (yes, I'm one, and i REFUSE to be ashamed of it, and you can say till you're blue in the face that I ought to be ashamed of being a Christian, but I simply WILL NOT be ashamed of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the Son of God, because He DIED FOR ME, whereas Mohammed did NOT die for anybody, and in fact killed people for not worshipping "Allah," who never begat a son according to the so-called "Koran") DO get a severe bum rap in the news media, while at the same time the Moslems are catered to, pampered, empathized with, and excused from being held responsible for any of their wrongdoings, instead blaming Israel and/or the USA for the crimes and atrocities these religious bigots (Moslems) commit.

I love the smell of bullshit in the morning.

Them basturd athaist moslim navy basterds

Dont them know the uhmurkan constetooshun is the BIBEL, how dare thay take JEZUS out the navy


They just hayte Gawd, and our way o'life n'stuff.....n'wimmin, they're all a haytin on them all tha tyme, if'n weren't fer us bawmin sense inta them.

learn how to spell properly.

He was paraodying the typical "God-fearing" redneck.

but I simply WILL NOT be ashamed of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the Son of God, because He DIED FOR ME, whereas Mohammed did NOT die for anybody, and in fact killed people for not worshipping "Allah," who never begat a son according to the so-called "Koran") DO get a severe bum rap in the news media, while at the same time the Moslems are catered to, pampered, empathized with, and excused from being held responsible for any of their wrongdoings, instead blaming Israel and/or the USA for the crimes and atrocities these religious bigots (Moslems) commit.


right, we should rank religions according to how many people died for them and "our god" is better than allah because he could impregnate women, what a crock of shit.:rolleyes:

MY jesus told me to respect my fellow man regardless of creed, MY jesus told me to not hate his neighbors, MY jesus taught me love.

tell you what, you can go worship your insane death-cult anywhere you want and you don't have to be ashamed of it, just don't call it christian, cause its not. the reason our lord's name is so tarred is because of bigots like you.