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http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/papacy_and_the_vatican

Yep, here we go again. Only question is, how embassies will they torch this time?

Notice how they always want apologies, and how they call us "crusaders", but they never apologize for the things they do, and the jihad, or crusade they're involved in. It's a one-way street, alright.

Actually, you're a day behind, we had this yesterday. While I'm personally away over on the Left, I do have to say that I'm getting pretty tired of the constant demand for apologies from Muslims. It isn't as if someone apologizing would actually shut them up. Talk about self-image problems, sheesh. :rolleyes:

Hmmm. Sounds like some Muslims are pissed because the Pope said something stupid. That hardly equates to "The Muslims are at it again."

The thing about some muslims being at it again is that it brings out the people who always tell us all the muslims are it all the time, to tell us that they are indeed at it again.

Hmmm. Sounds like some Muslims are pissed because the Pope said something stupid. That hardly equates to "The Muslims are at it again."

Actually I read the whole thing (twice coz I doan read no steenkin fillosphy) and it seems to be a point of the relationship between rationality and faith along with greek influence on theology. It doesnt seem to have been a dig at the muslims per se.

Hmmm. Sounds like some Muslims are pissed because the Pope said something stupid. That hardly equates to "The Muslims are at it again."

Another example of t3h 3b1l |\/|0zl3|\/| 80rg ©0ll3©71\/3 Theory in action. "If some of them object, if some of them riot, if some of them kill people, then it means they all approve of it. Unless they all kowtow before the Civilized West and condemn such acts 24/7. But if even one doesn't kowtow and condemn, it still means they all support it."

Hmmm. Sounds like some Muslims are pissed because the Pope said something stupid. That hardly equates to "The Muslims are at it again."

Read the article. The entire Parliament of Turkey demanded apologies, even the secular parties. Now how many Muslims in europe do you think share the Turks' sentiments?

It's been done (as has been said).

Anyway, meh. Wasn't the most intelligent thing to say now was it?

Most of the statements coming from Muslim groups don't seem violent, militant or dangerous:
Pakistani Parliament:
The derogatory remarks of the Pope about the philosophy of jihad and Prophet Muhammad have injured sentiments across the Muslim world and pose the danger of spreading acrimony among the religions.

Hamid Ansari, Chairman of India's Minority Commission:
The language used by the Pope sounds like that of his 12th-Century counterpart who ordered the crusades... It surprises me because the Vatican has a very comprehensive relationship with the Muslim world".

Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood:
The remarks do not express correct understanding of Islam and are merely wrong and distorted beliefs being repeated in the West.

Yousef al-Khoei, Head of Islamic Charity:

He should really know better than quoting a 14th Century Christian emperor who was a political man who made his statements for a political reason... I do not know why people choose to quote things out of context when you have clear instructions in Islam which says no forced conversion. Why do we need a Christian emperor to tell us what Islam is?

Actually I read the whole thing (twice coz I doan read no steenkin fillosphy) and it seems to be a point of the relationship between rationality and faith along with greek influence on theology. It doesnt seem to have been a dig at the muslims per se.

But of course the OP (A self-proclaimed member of "The Jew Crew" no less) couldn't resist a chance to turn it into another cry of "3b1l |\/|0zl3|\/| 80rg ©0ll3©71\/3" yet again.

Another example of t3h 3b1l |\/|0zl3|\/| 80rg ©0ll3©71\/3 Theory in action. "If some of them object, if some of them riot, if some of them kill people, then it means they all approve of it. Unless they all kowtow before the Civilized West and condemn such acts 24/7. But if even one doesn't kowtow and condemn, it still means they all support it."

Let me be very clear about this: Not all Muslims are terrorists. I'd have to be a blithering idiot to think that, and there are countless good Muslims. However, a substantial portion, if not a majority, have nothing but contempt for the West, and that includes the ones in Europe.

It's been done (as has been said).

Anyway, meh. Wasn't the most intelligent thing to say now was it?

Most of the statements coming from Muslim groups don't seem violent, militant or dangerous:
Pakistani Parliament:
The derogatory remarks of the Pope about the philosophy of jihad and Prophet Muhammad have injured sentiments across the Muslim world and pose the danger of spreading acrimony among the religions.

Hamid Ansari, Chairman of India's Minority Commission:
The language used by the Pope sounds like that of his 12th-Century counterpart who ordered the crusades... It surprises me because the Vatican has a very comprehensive relationship with the Muslim world".

Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood:
The remarks do not express correct understanding of Islam and are merely wrong and distorted beliefs being repeated in the West.

Yousef al-Khoei, Head of Islamic Charity:

He should really know better than quoting a 14th Century Christian emperor who was a political man who made his statements for a political reason... I do not know why people choose to quote things out of context when you have clear instructions in Islam which says no forced conversion. Why do we need a Christian emperor to tell us what Islam is?

Fair enough, if I was a Muslim, I wouldn't be very happy with the pope. Let's just hope this won't be a repeat of the motoons debacle, shall we?

Read the article. The entire Parliament of Turkey demanded apologies, even the secular parties. Now how many Muslims in europe do you think share the Turks' sentiments?

Big deal. That leaves half the world population of Muslims over in Asia apparently not giving a shit, and I haven't heard much outrage out of American Muslims. Again--some got pissed.

Let me be very clear about this: Not all Muslims are terrorists. I'd have to be a blithering idiot to think that, and there are countless good Muslims. However, a substantial portion, if not a majority, have nothing but contempt for the West, and that includes the ones in Europe.And you know this how?

Let me be very clear about this: Not all Muslims are terrorists. I'd have to be a blithering idiot to think that, and there are countless good Muslims. However, a substantial portion, if not a majority, have nothing but contempt for the West, and that includes the ones in Europe.
If you really believe that, you are a blithering idiot. Thanks for the confirmation.

Big deal. That leaves half the world population of Muslims over in Asia apparently not giving a shit, and I haven't heard much outrage out of American Muslims. Again--some got pissed.

Yet.

Remember, the motoons riots happened several months after the cartoons were printed. All it took was a bunch of imams trying to incite violence with some of the cartoons that were printed, and some that were made up.

If you really believe that, you are a blithering idiot. Thanks for the confirmation.

I guess I'm a blithering idiot because I'm in tune with reality, then?

Great logic.

Fair enough, if I was a Muslim, I wouldn't be very happy with the pope. Let's just hope this won't be a repeat of the motoons debacle, shall we?

The riots were a combination of the Prime Minister simply not giving a shit about the grievances of the imams, combined with some firebrands deciding "Hey, let's add some real blasphemous shit that was never in the papers to begin with and we'll make stuff up... like this picture of a guy from French festival wearing pig ears and snout. We'll caption it... 'This is what we think Muhammed really is' or something like that. Boy, that'll get everyone pissed and listening to us!"

Yet.

Remember, the motoons riots happened several months after the cartoons were printed. All it took was a bunch of imams trying to incite violence with some of the cartoons that were printed, and some that were made up.

The imams had much more material then, the cartoons broke a major tenent of their faith and this doesn't. It'll be blown over by the next news cycle as long as people in the west just let it lie.

The imams had much more material then, the cartoons broke a major tenent of their faith and this doesn't. It'll be blown over by the next news cycle as long as people in the west just let it lie.

It doesn't matter what people in the west do. It matters what the muslims do. Only they can make a big deal out of it.

Hmmm, thats strange, I haven't heard anything about this at school. Then again i only have about 8 muslim friends and none of them read the news:p

Im sure sooner or later I'll here something about this.

Looking at the responses it doesn't seem to be that bad, there probably will be rioting in places like gaza. The "muslims are at it again" statement is idiotic.

I guess I'm a blithering idiot because I'm in tune with reality, then?

Great logic.

and what is this reality you speak of? The one where "the muslims" are a monolithic army marching on europe?

Let me be very clear about this: Not all Muslims are terrorists. I'd have to be a blithering idiot to think that, and there are countless good Muslims. However, a substantial portion, if not a majority, have nothing but contempt for the West, and that includes the ones in Europe.

Yep, here we go again. Only question is, how embassies will they torch this time?

Yeah, that line and the title of the thread really says "Not all Muslims are terrorists."

:rolleyes:

and what is this reality you speak of? The one where "the muslims" are a monolithic army marching on europe?

I've stated before that not all muslims are radical, but enough are to be a major problem. For example, 34% of British muslims want sharia law, or at least are willing to admit they want it. The number who do want it or just don't care is probably even higher.

and what is this reality you speak of? The one where "the muslims" are a monolithic army marching on europe?

I guess he makes his own reality and rejects the world the rest of us live in. Problem is, the politicians who think like him are trying to do the same, and they're fucking us in the meantime.

Yeah, that line and the title of the thread really says "Not all Muslims are terrorists."

:rolleyes:

Sorry, it just doesn't have the same ring if it says "The Muslims Are At It Again But Only A Tiny Majority Because Islam Is The Religion Of Peace."

Sorry, it just doesn't have the same ring if it says "The Muslims Are At It Again But Only A Tiny Majority Because Islam Is The Religion Of Peace."

ok how about "pope pisses off some muslims"?

I guess he makes his own reality and rejects the world the rest of us live in. Problem is, the politicians who think like him are trying to do the same, and they're fucking us in the meantime.

Keep thinking that. Now you probably want to feel liberal and cosmopolitan, so do admit that there is a group of people that hate you because of who you are would go against your world-view.

ok how about "pope pisses off some muslims"?

Ehh, fair enough I guess.

Sorry, it just doesn't have the same ring if it says "The Muslims Are At It Again But Only A Tiny Majority Because Islam Is The Religion Of Peace."

Sarcasm. In other words your own admission that not all Muslims are terrorists is in fact bullshit and you subscribe to t3h eb1l /\/\0zl3/\/\ 80rg ©0ll3©71\/3 Theory like a majority of your fellow "Jew Crew" members.

:rolleyes:

To quote Jim Nabors, "Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!"

Sarcasm. In other words your own admission that not all Muslims are terrorists is in fact bullshit and you subscribe to t3h eb1l /\/\0zl3/\/\ 80rg ©0ll3©71\/3 Theory like a majority of your fellow "Jew Crew" members.

:rolleyes:

To quote Jim Nabors, "Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!"

I can't speak for my fellow "Jew Crew" members, but I clearly stated that not all Muslims are terrorists. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't say it. Hell, I even have Muslim friends at school.

Keep thinking that. Now you probably want to feel liberal and cosmopolitan, so do admit that there is a group of people that hate you because of who you are would go against your world-view.
I'm assuming you meant "to" instead of "do" up there, so let me answer you as if that's the case.

It's obvious from what you said that you don't have the first fucking idea what it means to be liberal and/or cosmopolitan, which is no surprise since you come off as the kind of person who gets his politics from talk radio and Free Republic.

Yes, there are people who hate me because of who I am and what I believe. Some of them are on this forum. Some are undoubtedly in my neighborhood. And I suppose if you made a caricature of me and put it before the entire world, there might even be billions who feel that way about me, although that's probably a stretch.

But when it comes to who I worry about being mad at me for who I am and what I believe, I worry about those people who can affect me, so I'm way more worried about christian fundies in the south than I'll ever be about the people you're pissing yourself over right now.

I'm assuming you meant "to" instead of "do" up there, so let me answer you as if that's the case.

It's obvious from what you said that you don't have the first fucking idea what it means to be liberal and/or cosmopolitan, which is no surprise since you come off as the kind of person who gets his politics from talk radio and Free Republic.

Yes, there are people who hate me because of who I am and what I believe. Some of them are on this forum. Some are undoubtedly in my neighborhood. And I suppose if you made a caricature of me and put it before the entire world, there might even be billions who feel that way about me, although that's probably a stretch.

But when it comes to who I worry about being mad at me for who I am and what I believe, I worry about those people who can affect me, so I'm way more worried about christian fundies in the south than I'll ever be about the people you're pissing yourself over right now.

You'd be hardpressed to find a christian fundie who would kill you anywhere in the world. Not so with muslim fundies.

I have to side with the Muslims. The pope should not be talking such crap, although how one could expect better from the leader of Catholicism...

I have to side with the Muslims. The pope should not be talking such crap, although how one could expect better from the leader of Catholicism...

And yet the muslim leaders can say as they wish about us infidels, oui?

The dhimmi in you is showing.

You'd be hardpressed to find a christian fundie who would kill you anywhere in the world. Not so with muslim fundies.

I'd be willing to bet I could find a buddhist who would kill me. All the world's religions have vile, murderous, extreme groups that deserve to be exterminated, To expect islam to be the exception is foolish and a double-standard

I'd be willing to bet I could find a buddhist who would kill me. All the world's religions have vile, murderous, extreme groups that deserve to be exterminated, To expect islam to be the exception is foolish and a double-standard

Really? Think about it, buddhism is the most peaceful religion on earth, and you're telling me there are buddhits who want to kill you simply because you're american. That's a stretch, by any standard.

The dhimmi in you is showing.

now you resort to labelling.

You'd be hardpressed to find a christian fundie who would kill you anywhere in the world. Not so with muslim fundies.
Dude, I can find one in my neighborhood--might not be willing to kill me personally, but he'd say to my face that I deserve to die for some of my beliefs. But that's more a product of where I live than what they believe--the price for killing another here is far higher because we don't live in a failed state. I'm as safe from fundamentalist Muslims as I am from fundamentalist Christians because I live in the US right now--safer, in fact, because there are fewer fundy Muslims here than fundy Christians.

now you resort to labelling.

He wants to audition for Kimchi's Dhimmi Chorus :D

Dude, I can find one in my neighborhood--might not be willing to kill me personally, but he'd say to my face that I deserve to die for some of my beliefs. But that's more a product of where I live than what they believe--the price for killing another here is far higher because we don't live in a failed state. I'm as safe from fundamentalist Muslims as I am from fundamentalist Christians because I live in the US right now--safer, in fact, because there are fewer fundy Muslims here than fundy Christians.

Well, I don't think anyone should die for their beliefs, barring Nazis maybe. So let's say there were more fundie muslims where you live than fundie christians, would you still feel safer?

Really? Think about it, buddhism is the most peaceful religion on earth, and you're telling me there are buddhits who want to kill you simply because you're american. That's a stretch, by any standard.

The Vietnamese were Buddhists, and one of the reasons they became alienated from the Southern Government was its persecution of them.

I have to side with the Muslims. The pope should not be talking such crap, although how one could expect better from the leader of Catholicism...

The pope has every right to say whatever he wants as do the Muslims. Freedom of speech is a basic human right for everyone.

Well, I don't think anyone should die for their beliefs, barring Nazis maybe. So let's say there were more fundie muslims where you live than fundie christians, would you still feel safer?
You're missing the point. I feel safer because I live in a place where there's effective local law enforcement. The religious beliefs of the people around me have nothing to do with my feeling of well-being or safety. I don't feel threatened because there's too high a penalty for killing someone out of petulance over their belief system.

If I lived in a failed state amidst fundy Muslims, I'd feel in more danger from them than fundy Christians. If I lived in a failed state among fundy Christians, I'd feel more in danger from them than from fundy Muslims. It's all relative to where you are. I feel practically no fear from either group right now because I live where I do, but if forced to rank them, I'd put fundy christians above fundy muslims because there are more of them around me right now.

Well, I don't think anyone should die for their beliefs, barring Nazis maybe. So let's say there were more fundie muslims where you live than fundie christians, would you still feel safer?

Straw Man. Besides which any place in the U.S. known to have Islamist activity would have Homeland Security up its ass like a prison bitch.

Nice try though.

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/popekiss.jpg

Guess the papacy needed a little throwback.

I'm guessing, however, that the Pope is mad at Dave Chapelle for quitting Comedy Central and decided to blame all Muslims.

Meh ... whatever. I'm not Catholic. I pay very, very little attention to their king.

Well, what the Pope said was not his opinion, as far as I can tell, and stressed that he did not mean to cause offense. Some people are a bit thin-skinned (understandably in a way) and protest about it. But it's a free country, you can say that and protest if you feel like it. There's nothing wrong with either at all. Big deal.

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/popekiss.jpg

Guess the papacy needed a little throwback.

I'm guessing, however, that the Pope is mad at Dave Chapelle for quitting Comedy Central and decided to blame all Muslims.

Meh ... whatever. I'm not Catholic. I pay very, very little attention to their king.

I didn't really agree with a lot of john pauls II's conservative beliefs, but that pope did more to promote peace between religion than any other before him.

why'd they have to go and hire benny?:(

I'm siding with the Muslims on this one; it was rather inappropriate to use that kind of wording towards the Muslims even is it was a direct quote. He should have made his views clearer if he was going to use something as controversial as that.

Hmmm. Sounds like some Muslims are pissed because the Pope said something stupid. That hardly equates to "The Muslims are at it again."

Some muslims...

In Pakistan, countdown begins to the inevitable bruning of KFC and McDonalds.:D
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/033002pope/im:/060915/481/isl10209151348
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/9523/captisl10209151348pakistanpopeisl102rm1.jpg

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/09/15/D8K592E00.html
Pakistan's Foreign Ministry also called the pope's remarks "regrettable."

"Anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said

It is like this. I say to you "I am a peaceful man. And if you don't agree then I will have no choice but to beat you because you do not agree that I am a peaceful man"...:confused:


Bangladesh
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/033002pope/im:/060915/ids_photos_wl/r1738373418.jpg
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6238/r1738373418vd7.jpg

India
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/033002pope/im:/060915/481/all10109151248
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8863/captall10109151248indiapopeprotestall101iq3.jpg

India again, Kashmir
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/033002pope/im:/060915/481/sri10209151139
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8653/captsri10209151139indiakashmirpopeprotestsri102vs2.jpg

These people are lawyers.
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/033002pope/im:/060915/481/sri10109151003
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4082/captsri10209151139indiakashmirpopeprotestsri102ab3.jpg


http://www.ibnlive.com/news/the-pope-must-aplogise-demand-indian-muslims/21603-3.html
Pope must apologise: Indian Muslims

Reacting strongly to the pope's comments, dargah khadim S F Hasan Chisti said the pope had no idea about the teachings of Islam and all Muslims had been hurt by his remarks.

The Khadims demanded that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh should take up this matter at the international forum and should see that such incidents were not repeated in the future. [like he has no other job to do...]

The Khadims said the Pope should apologise publicly the same way he condemned the Islam religion at a public function.

In Lucknow, Islamic scholar Maulana Khalid Rasheed expressed shock at the remark.

"The remark is more derogatory than the Danish cartoonist's blasphemous sketches on the Prophet. This was the last thing we could have expected from the Pope," said Rasheed, who is a member of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board.

"Muslims have tolerated Christian terrorism on the people of Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine and now Lebanon, but no Muslim is going to tolerate such wild, baseless and unfounded allegations against the Prophet."

"The charge that the Prophet used the sword to spread Islam is false. The Prophet used the sword only to defend Islam not to spread the religion. He believed in peace and practised it to the hilt," Rasheed said.

People have had to apologize for a lot less then what the pope said. Calling Islam a religion that spreads by the sword is more insulting then most.

People have had to apologize for a lot less then what the pope said. Calling Islam a religion that spreads by the sword is more insulting then most.

it wouldn't be very controversial or shocking if a christian fundy like Falwell or Graham said it, the main problem I have with this is that the pope said it, the guy most catholics regard as gods representative on earth. What would happen if the grand ayatollah of Al-Azhar U. said something like this about christianity?

I would be interested in hearing what these angry people normally say about the Pope in their religious meetings. I wonder what the angry and offended Muslims normally think of or say when the idea of history and Christianity comes up.

I'd be quite surprised to hear of it being even as mild as what the Pope just said.

And they call the Pope a hypocrite. I find that laughable. Whenever I hear about these angry protests from whatever g roups of Muslims are angry because some Christian dared express an opinion that didn't pay lip service to the glory and wonder that is Islam, I can't help but imagine a whining child running to tell the teacher about something another student said about him. I just can't take this stuff seriously.

Freaking wah.

How often do we hear much more inflammatory crap coming out of Al-Jazeera and other such drivel?

I mean geez, the Pope was mostly quoting words written back in a time when there was a real territory war going and people were being converted to Islam by force. He quoted them in their context. What's the problem?

Or shall we just destroy all writings by any Pope prior to, say 1492, the year the last of the Moors were driven from Spain? Or maybe 1453 when Constantinople finally fell to Turkish expansion? Just how far back are we allowed to quote?

People have had to apologize for a lot less then what the pope said. Calling Islam a religion that spreads by the sword is more insulting then most.

Even if it's true? Think about how fast Islam grew during and shortly after muhammad's time. Do you think masses of people in a time before radio, TV and internet really looked into Islam and decided to throw away the religion their ancestors had worshipped for generations in order to convert? No, it was spread by the sword. Just like Christianity spread in the Americas.

People have had to apologize for a lot less then what the pope said. Calling Islam a religion that spreads by the sword is more insulting then most.

Why, because it doesn't happen? Islamic conversion by force is a historical fact that people tend to shy away from because it's so politically incorrect to refer to it. (Case in point, the Pope's speech)

He wasn't saying that it was CURRENTLY a religion that spreads by the sword (although, sometimes it still does), he was referencing history.

it wouldn't be very controversial or shocking if a christian fundy like Falwell or Graham said it, the main problem I have with this is that the pope said it, the guy most catholics regard as gods representative on earth. What would happen if the grand ayatollah of Al-Azhar U. said something like this about christianity?

I'd bet he has said similar things about Christianity.

I would be interested in hearing what these angry people normally say about the Pope in their religious meetings. I wonder what the angry and offended Muslims normally think of or say when the idea of history and Christianity comes up.

I'd be quite surprised to hear of it being even as mild as what the Pope just said.

And they call the Pope a hypocrite. I find that laughable. Whenever I hear about these angry protests from whatever g roups of Muslims are angry because some Christian dared express an opinion that didn't pay lip service to the glory and wonder that is Islam, I can't help but imagine a whining child running to tell the teacher about something another student said about him. I just can't take this stuff seriously.

Freaking wah.

How often do we hear much more inflammatory crap coming out of Al-Jazeera and other such drivel?

I mean geez, the Pope was mostly quoting words written back in a time when there was a real territory war going and people were being converted to Islam by force. He quoted them in their context. What's the problem?

Or shall we just destroy all writings by any Pope prior to, say 1492, the year the last of the Moors were driven from Spain? Or maybe 1453 when Constantinople finally fell to Turkish expansion? Just how far back are we allowed to quote?

Seeing as hes the figurehead and ambassador of one of the largest faiths in the world, hes kinda expected to not say inflammatory shit. Al-Jazeera=/= the freakin' pope.

Why, because it doesn't happen? Islamic conversion by force is a historical fact that people tend to shy away from because it's so politically incorrect to refer to it. (Case in point, the Pope's speech)

He wasn't saying that it was CURRENTLY a religion that spreads by the sword (although, sometimes it still does), he was referencing history.

Christianity spread by the sword as well so the pope should shut up unless he wants to admit his own religions bloody past.

Christianity spread by the sword as well so the pope should shut up unless he wants to admit his own religions bloody past.

Catholicism does admit and apologize for it's bloody past.

http://wais.stanford.edu/Religion/religion_pope.html

Islam prefers to ignore theirs I guess.

Catholicism does admit and apologize for it's bloody past.

http://wais.stanford.edu/Religion/religion_pope.html

Islam prefers to ignore theirs I guess.

The article said the pope apologized for the crusades BUT that the Arabs started it. Sounds like an excuse to me. I don't know how much detail he went in but Christianity has done much more violence then just in the Crusades. The Thirty Years War comes to mind, burning of witches, the massacre of "heretical" sects, plenty of violence against Jews, having a close relationship with the Nazis and massive corruption throughout its history to top it all off.

Plus the pedophile priests and the Church trying to cover it up of course.

The article said the pope apologized for the crusades BUT that the Arabs started it. Sounds like an excuse to me. I don't know how much detail he went in but Christianity has done much more violence then just in the Crusades. The Thirty Years War comes to mind, burning of witches, the massacre of "heretical" sects, plenty of violence against Jews, having a close relationship with the Nazis and massive corruption throughout its history to top it all off.

Plus the pedophile priests and the Church trying to cover it up of course.

The article also apologized for the inquisition. JPII, during his life, also apologized for the mistreatment of women by the church and for many other misdeeds.

I've heard of protests over this, but so far to my knowledge there has been no violence as there was over the Danish cartoons.

The thing about some muslims being at it again is that it brings out the people who always tell us all the muslims are it all the time, to tell us that they are indeed at it again.
Indeed, Captain Obvious (now in the form of RockTheCasbah) saves us again.

But of course the OP (A self-proclaimed member of "The Jew Crew" no less) couldn't resist a chance to turn it into another cry of "3b1l |\/|0zl3|\/| 80rg ©0ll3©71\/3" yet again.
You're not implying that Jews hate Muslims are you?

It doesn't matter what people in the west do. It matters what the muslims do. Only they can make a big deal out of it.
The Danes had a candlelit peace vigil in response to the Middle Eastern rioting. I love Europe.

Really? Think about it, buddhism is the most peaceful religion on earth, and you're telling me there are buddhits who want to kill you simply because you're american. That's a stretch, by any standard.
Yes there are some really bigoted Buddhists in existence. Their religion has a good image, but they do exist.

Some muslims...

In Pakistan, countdown begins to the inevitable bruning of KFC and McDonalds.:D
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/wl/033002pope/im:/060915/481/isl10209151348
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/9523/captisl10209151348pakistanpopeisl102rm1.jpg
Burning down KFC and McDonalds is something I could support.

Plus the pedophile priests and the Church trying to cover it up of course.
Yes, how dare he attack the perfect record of Islam.

Don't feed the troll. RockTheCasbah just gets off by causing this kind of negative reaction. Don't let him have it.

EDIT: No one seems to be listening to me.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/papacy_and_the_vatican

Yep, here we go again. Only question is, how embassies will they torch this time?

Notice how they always want apologies, and how they call us "crusaders", but they never apologize for the things they do, and the jihad, or crusade they're involved in. It's a one-way street, alright.That's funny, because right now, Bill O'Reilly is up in arms about some comics in my university's newspaper that make poke fun at Christians and Christianity. We have a lot of editorials that said newspaper is printing that are demanding an apology from the cartoonist, the newspaper editor, and the administration. It's several one way streets.

The article also apologized for the inquisition. JPII, during his life, also apologized for the mistreatment of women by the church and for many other misdeeds.

So I forgot about the Inquisition. There has still been plenty of violence he decided to leave out.

Yes, how dare he attack the perfect record of Islam.

It is not as if Christianity's hands are clean so the pope has no business going after Islams history. I never said Islam is clean, no religion is.

It is not as if Christianity's hands are clean so the pope has no business going after Islams history. I never said Islam is clean, no religion is.
My opinion is the this needless remark would better go unsaid. But I think he's going after Islamic scripture more than Islamic history.

But the Bible doesn't say religion should be spread by the sword, and the Qa'ran does, apparently.

My opinion is the this needless remark would better go unsaid. But I think he's going after Islamic scripture more than Islamic history.

But the Bible doesn't say religion should be spread by the sword, and the Qa'ran does, apparently.

Considering all the tribes of people that God ordered the Israelites to destroy so He could give the promised land to them it seems that in this area the Christian God is just as "violent" as the Islamic one.

So I forgot about the Inquisition. There has still been plenty of violence he decided to leave out.



It is not as if Christianity's hands are clean so the pope has no business going after Islams history. I never said Islam is clean, no religion is.

Well, the Catholic church has at least started to recognize and make ammends for it's past sins.

Well, the Catholic church has at least started to recognize and make ammends for it's past sins.

John Paul II seems to be a totally different person then Benedict XVI. The current pope is more conservative. I don't see him admitting to the past misdeeds of the Catholic Church.

The pope was just saying what some people fear will happen.
Analysis: Pope's `jihad' remarks a sign (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060915/ap_on_re_mi_ea/pope_and_islam_2)

The fear is that there will be a holy war eventually between the groups.
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Radical Islam's goal is to convert the world. Those they cannot convert, they will kill.

If it keeps up War will begin. It seems inevitable. You cannot make peace with irrational people, and in their insanity they still believe that we will do what they say, when you have millions of them...

There may be a war, on the battlefield, on the streets, on paper, or on the market. A war of beliefs. What will be the victor.

A return to the time of the Inqusition, where non believers are killed for Blastemy, where the Religous leaders control the masses?

Or where people think for themselves and believe and worship whatever god they choose.

BUT! Hope is not lost. Peace is not impossible.

There are many moderate Muslims in the world, those who just want to live in peace and worship their way. There are many of them, enough to perhaps counteract the violent actions of the radicals. I believe that they can suceed.

And for those who say that all muslims should die? I think you're no better then their radicals!

Considering all the tribes of people that God ordered the Israelites to destroy so He could give the promised land to them it seems that in this area the Christian God is just as "violent" as the Islamic one.
That's Judaism. All three faiths worship the same God.

That's Judaism. All three faiths worship the same God.

I know that intellectually but given the tensions between the faiths it is sometimes hard to remember. Besides, the events in the Old Testement was before the idea of Christianity came about so it is Christians history. And as you say it is the same God so it would apply anyway.