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This is what the islamic world teaches about the west and the israeli's in schools and every day in the news and in print . No one pays much attention but a group of people started translating the news cast and the other media and came up with this film .

Obsessionthemovie.com

Muslim society REALLY does think they are on a crusade against the west and REALLY do see Israel s a " crusader " outpost and have not moved very far from the middle ages...and they really hate it when we keep kicking their butts..after all there was a time when they were on top and they want it back BAD . They feel ...and some think ..rightly so..that the world was a much better place when they were in charge .


A culture war mixed with a war on terror ?

Or just WW III ...when you consider that the fight is global and involves countries on every continent..look for yourself. It really is " global ' terrorism and a world wide movement against western influence ..both cultural and economic as well as military .


Israel is the Outremer of the 21 st century...so polish your swords and oil your armor . This time we do not havev the " Mongol hordes ' to help out .

meh bla etc.

There are madrassas in the ME that teach malicious lies about the west, but point at them, not all 1 billion muslims.

i'm scared of their jihad armies :eek:

There are madrassas in the ME that teach malicious lies about the west, but point at them, not all 1 billion muslims.

Just American history repeating itself. Just like the Germans in World War 1, the Japanese in Part 2, and Communists during the Cold War, the people of the United States need an enemy they can label as homogenous anthropomorphic evil they all gather together to demonize as a community. This day and age it's Muslims.

If and when space aliens show up, America will move on to demonize them too.

i'm scared of their jihad armies :eek:

You do realize Team America was just a crappy movie?

that movie is utter toss that points out the small majority of Muslims and informs us of what they do I’m sure there is a Muslim equivalent of this movie that points out how the ignorant westerners demonize Muslims hell I wouldn’t be too shocked if there are a few scenes showing posts on NS!

Just American history repeating itself. Just like the Germans in World War 1, the Japanese in Part 2, and Communists during the Cold War, the people of the United States need an enemy they can label as homogenous anthropomorphic evil they all gather together to demonize as a community. This day and age it's Muslims.

If and when space aliens show up, America will move on to demonize them too.

Okay, damn it, who squealed?

Have you actually seen the movie ?

Have you gone on the web and into english versions of Arab and islamic news ?

Have you visited the Arab and Islamic chat and web sites ?


Why do you think its a small minority?

WHY do you think ...and why did you J*U*M*P to the cconclusion that its the US looking to demonize anything or anyone...the FILM is not even AMERICAN or done by one ..it wasn't even bought in the US because ...the powers that be said there is no market for it...:D


closed minds....tsk tsk ..


If you were once a mighty empire and dominant culture and found yourself powerless ...under colonial rule ..exploited and your resourses stolen or bought for a fragment of their worth and this happened for years...your land ( what you think of as yours ) was given to people you HATE..against your will and your " warriors " had their ass kicked for over a century or more..


would you be a bit resentfull ?

Would you be suprised that a movement that promises to bring back your former glory would be MORE than a " small minority " .

I think you are indulging in wishfull thinking .

if you open your eyes and your mind and read just a small bit of history , it is not suprising that a dude like islamabob the new Cyrus of persia Abbadababab or what ever his name is is so popular .

Or why Hamas and Hezbollah are seen as Heros and Idolised...or why 9/11 is almost a holiday in some countries ..

to some in the world its just "payback " time .

There are madrassas in the ME that teach malicious lies about the west, but point at them, not all 1 billion muslims.

I'm under the impression that the standard school textbooks in Saudi Arabia teach that the Jews (not Israelis, all Jews) are the children of pigs and dogs and that a good muslim doesn't befriend Jews or Christians because they are friends with each other. Not a very progressive thing to teach one's schoolchildren. No wonder it's the source of the majority of 9/11 terrorists.

It is to laugh.

OMG!!! The Muslims are all out to kill us!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

:rolleyes:

I think it becomes harder to believe this kind of BS if you actually know a Muslim or two.

For instance, I share an office with a Muslim fellow who loves hotdogs, soccer, and showing off pictures of his son. When I try to picture him as a crazed Islamofacist coming at me with dripping fangs...

*giggle*

I think it becomes harder to believe this kind of BS if you actually know a Muslim or two.

For instance, I share an office with a Muslim fellow who loves hotdogs, soccer, and showing off pictures of his son. When I try to picture him as a crazed Islamofacist coming at me with dripping fangs...

*giggle*

[insert argument about how that Muslim doesn't count because he's been "assimilated" into the Western Hive Mind]

OP you should be careful. Outremer was founded by the sword on land that those who founded it had no claim on whatsoever, because of crazed religious zealotry. It used incredible violence to achieve it's ends, and was a hated enemy of an entire civilization. And it was eventually driven into the sea. To compare Israel to a modern day Outremer is to invite comparison on that level, which might well end at your disadvantage.

I'm under the impression that the standard school textbooks in Saudi Arabia teach that the Jews (not Israelis, all Jews) are the children of pigs and dogs and that a good muslim doesn't befriend Jews or Christians because they are friends with each other. Not a very progressive thing to teach one's schoolchildren. No wonder it's the source of the majority of 9/11 terrorists.

And they're our allies, as well.

And I recently heard that the Saudi royal family rents out the top three or so floors of a local Ritz Carlton in the Tyson's Corner area of Virginia, and just lives there for months on end. This happens pretty frequently, apparently.

*shrugs*

Just American history repeating itself. Just like the Germans in World War 1, the Japanese in Part 2, and Communists during the Cold War, the people of the United States need an enemy they can label as homogenous anthropomorphic evil they all gather together to demonize as a community. This day and age it's Muslims.

If and when space aliens show up, America will move on to demonize them too.

The OP does have a point about the media in Muslim countries, even if the local populations are more rational. The translated rants about Jews and western music are pretty entertaing, actually, if you're in the right mood. :p

The OP does have a point about the media in Muslim countries, even if the local populations are more rational. The translated rants about Jews and western music are pretty entertaing, actually, if you're in the right mood. :p

So it's the governments themselves that are our enemies, not the muslims, and certainly not the religion.

Don't confuse the targets.

So it's the governments themselves that are our enemies, not the muslims, and certainly not the religion.

Don't confuse the targets.

Which religion? The religion of Bottle's friend, who's followers are decent, law abiding citizens who give to charity and respect their neighbors or the religion of Bin Laden and others that urges it's followers to wage endless war until all the world is under strict Islamic rule? The second religion is our enemy.

OP you should be careful. Outremer was founded by the sword on land that those who founded it had no claim on whatsoever, because of crazed religious zealotry. It used incredible violence to achieve it's ends, and was a hated enemy of an entire civilization. And it was eventually driven into the sea. To compare Israel to a modern day Outremer is to invite comparison on that level, which might well end at your disadvantage.

Well I do agree with a lot of what you said, namely that it is a bad comparison that could lead to trouble, I would like to point out that many if not most of the nobles, and thus the men they took with them, although the motivations for the actual launching of the first crusade were much more varied, went on crusade not as much for religous reasons, but for material reasons like land and loot, which is part of the reason they formed the states thats what they went there to do carve out their own kingdoms. Of course that isn't any beter of a motivation.

OP you should be careful. Outremer was founded by the sword on land that those who founded it had no claim on whatsoever, because of crazed religious zealotry. It used incredible violence to achieve it's ends, and was a hated enemy of an entire civilization. And it was eventually driven into the sea. To compare Israel to a modern day Outremer is to invite comparison on that level, which might well end at your disadvantage.


I am not doing the comparing...dont you think that from an Arab point of view israel was created in JUST such a fashion ?

Think about that . Just substitute gun for sword ...and political zealots for religion.

I am not TAKING sides ..just actually looking into things and making observations .

Thats how I actually learn things. I must look at the problem / situation from the opposing point of view to better understand it .

I could care less about flamers and trollboys with blow up dolls for girlfriends... (NOT aimed at you..I appreciate the warning ..but I have been around here and know about the nut jobs ).:D
I want to learn whats going on...not be told what to believe .

Well I do agree with a lot of what you said, namely that it is a bad comparison that could lead to trouble, I would like to point out that many if not most of the nobles, and thus the men they took with them, although the motivations for the actual launching of the first crusade were much more varied, went on crusade not as much for religous reasons, but for material reasons like land and loot, which is part of the reason they formed the states thats what they went there to do carve out their own kingdoms. Of course that isn't any beter of a motivation.


Hmmm lets see we invaded and looted all the oil we could , for over a hundred years at the point of a gun ..killed whomever opposed us ..took land and gave it to a group of people..killed hundreds of thousands in wars as a result...

Why cant an Arab or a Muslim , draw a comparison and see it as valid ?
Is being colonised different from slavery or being forced off your land and herded into refugee camps much different ?

LOOK at it from an ARAB or Islamic perspective .

Dont try to rationalize it from a western view..we have done that for centuries.

I am deliberately playing the devils advocate to make a point here.
cant you see how easy it is to jump on the pro Islamic radical bandwagon ???

Hmmm lets see we invaded and looted all the oil we could , for over a hundred years at the point of a gun ..killed whomever opposed us ..took land and gave it to a group of people..killed hundreds of thousands in wars as a result...

Why cant an Arab or a Muslim , draw a comparison and see it as valid ?
Is being colonised different from slavery or being forced off your land and herded into refugee camps much different ?

LOOK at it from an ARAB or Islamic perspective .

Dont try to rationalize it from a western view..we have done that for centuries.

I am deliberately playing the devils advocate to make a point here.
cant you see how easy it is to jump on the pro Islamic radical bandwagon ???
Oh, I could see how someone might see a similarity, not that I think that the majority of muslims do draw that parallel I have no way of knowing one way or another, unless some one has done a poll or something. I was mainly objecting to the polish your sword type comment you made.

So it's the governments themselves that are our enemies, not the muslims, and certainly not the religion.

Don't confuse the targets.

I was only addressing the media, not trying to generalize all Muslim countries under one model.

Sometimes the government is hostile to us, while the people are friendly, and sometimes the people despise us, but the government supports us (e.g. Pakistan). There's a lot of variation.

Which religion? The religion of Bottle's friend, who's followers are decent, law abiding citizens who give to charity and respect their neighbors or the religion of Bin Laden and others that urges it's followers to wage endless war until all the world is under strict Islamic rule? The second religion is our enemy.

They're the same religion, but the "second" version is misunderstanding the purpose of the original religion. They're mislead and misinformed. The misinformers and misleaders are our enemies, and at the least if the misinformed become our enemies then they are no doubt no longer misinformed, and have chosen to take their path, though the truth tell them otherwise. Till then they're just victims.

I am not doing the comparing...dont you think that from an Arab point of view israel was created in JUST such a fashion ?

Think about that . Just substitute gun for sword ...and political zealots for religion.

I am not TAKING sides ..just actually looking into things and making observations .

Thats how I actually learn things. I must look at the problem / situation from the opposing point of view to better understand it .

I could care less about flamers and trollboys with blow up dolls for girlfriends... (NOT aimed at you..I appreciate the warning ..but I have been around here and know about the nut jobs ).:D
I want to learn whats going on...not be told what to believe .

I'm well aware of the apt comparison between Outremer and Israel. In fact I worded myself so that one could take it either as a comment on Israel or the Outremer Kingdoms. My point is that if you seek to defend Israel, which from the OP it seems that you do, a comparison to Outremer is... unwise.

And though I agree with using empathy to understand a situation, I wonder at what that has to do with your OP, seeing as it came off as quite anti-Muslim, rather than a cerebral examination of the situation from an Islamic perspective.

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I'm under the impression that the standard school textbooks in Saudi Arabia teach that the Jews (not Israelis, all Jews) are the children of pigs and dogs and that a good muslim doesn't befriend Jews or Christians because they are friends with each other. Not a very progressive thing to teach one's schoolchildren. No wonder it's the source of the majority of 9/11 terrorists.

In case you missed it, my apology for the remark about you advocating various bizzare acts on muslims. I mistook you for the perpetrator, and only realised my mistake when I glanced at Gauthiers sig.

I think it becomes harder to believe this kind of BS if you actually know a Muslim or two.

For instance, I share an office with a Muslim fellow who loves hotdogs, soccer, and showing off pictures of his son. When I try to picture him as a crazed Islamofacist coming at me with dripping fangs...

*giggle*

You didn't also happen to work with someone named Mohammed Atta, did you?

You didn't also happen to work with someone named Mohammed Atta, did you?

You're calling Bottle an Al-Qaeda sympathizer.

Way to go, Meir Kahane Junior.

Dave Chapelle and that dude who wrote "Peace Train" will KILL US ALL!!!!

In case you missed it, my apology for the remark about you advocating various bizzare acts on muslims. I mistook you for the perpetrator, and only realised my mistake when I glanced at Gauthiers sig.

No big deal.

Dave Chapelle and that dude who wrote "Peace Train" will KILL US ALL!!!!

I heard Yusef Islam is planning to unleash a new CD upon us.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002199215

The prospect of listening to the "peace train" guy's music scares me more than a Saudi in an airline pilot's uniform.

Just American history repeating itself.
The Middle East isn't really part of America.

Incidentally, what country are you from? I'm from Ireland.

I'm under the impression that the standard school textbooks in Saudi Arabia teach that the Jews (not Israelis, all Jews) are the children of pigs and dogs and that a good muslim doesn't befriend Jews or Christians because they are friends with each other. Not a very progressive thing to teach one's schoolchildren. No wonder it's the source of the majority of 9/11 terrorists.
Indeed. Saudi Arabia has some 50 million Muslims, meaning that about 5% of Muslims are Saudi.

The Middle East isn't really part of America.

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Well, with the possible exception of Iraq it's not.

Indeed. Saudi Arabia has some 50 million Muslims, meaning that about 5% of Muslims are Saudi.

Yeah, but those Saudis fund madrassas all over the world to bring people around to their wahabbi form of crazy Islam.