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http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/14/wiesel.clooney.ap/index.html

And this is what Darfur has become. A popular fad for jackass celebrities like Clooney to use to make themselves richer. I've seen a lot of celebs wearing shirts that have stupid slogans on them like "save darfur" and other bullshit. The celebrities bother me, the fact that people pretend that they care about what goes on there bothers me as well. Western governments don't care, the UN doesn't care, the people in the west don't care, not even other muslim nations care. So can we please stop pretending that we care and let the Africans fix an African problem.

What, do you automatically lose the right to have an opinion on things if you become a celebrity?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/14/wiesel.clooney.ap/index.html

And this is what Darfur has become. A popular fad for jackass celebrities like Clooney to use to make themselves richer. I've a lot of celebs wearing shirts that have stupid slogans on them like "save darfur" and other bullshit. The celebrities bother me, the fact that people pretend that they care about what goes on there bothers me as well. Western governments don't care, the UN doesn't care, the people in the west don't care, not even other muslim nations care. So can we please stop pretending that we care and let the Africans fix an African problem.

Seems I read something about the African Union pulling its troops out, too, so perhaps even the Africans don't care, either. Thanks for playing, Darfur, and we'll have some lovely parting gifts for you.

Couldn't hurt if celebrities work on the problem, they can't possibly make it worse, can they?

...I always liked Clooney...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/14/wiesel.clooney.ap/index.html

And this is what Darfur has become. A popular fad for jackass celebrities like Clooney to use to make themselves richer. I've a lot of celebs wearing shirts that have stupid slogans on them like "save darfur" and other bullshit. The celebrities bother me, the fact that people pretend that they care about what goes on there bothers me as well. Western governments don't care, the UN doesn't care, the people in the west don't care, not even other muslim nations care. So can we please stop pretending that we care and let the Africans fix an African problem.

They seriously need help, it would be much better if we helped them to fix this extremely terrible situation that no one notices because they are more concerned with nativity plays being shown in schools.

No. We can't.

They seriously need help, it would be much better if we helped them to fix this extremely terrible situation that no one notices because they are more concerned with nativity plays being shown in schools.

why should we help them?

why should we help them?

Because we can.

What, do you automatically lose the right to have an opinion on things if you become a celebrity?

You can have opinion if your celebrity. I just happen to have the opinion that it is annoying when celebrities voice their opinion about world issues like darfur just to get attention.

I bet you wouldn't say that if his opinions were more concurrent with yours. Like, say Arnold?

He, as an american citizen, has a right to voice his opinions. As a celebrity, he has access to a much broader attention pool than joe jackass would. It's a logical transition that celebrities get into politics.

Regardless of the context, celebrities can shift the public's opinion on a matter quite considerably by simply lending their voices to the cause. Whether this is a good or a bad thing really depends. At least with Clooney he's voicing his own opinion, and usually does other politically or at least issue-charged actions, like buy green cars.

I dislike the fact that people would shift their opinions on the trigger of a popular person's opinion, but what other way do you have to gain access to that uncanny "pop culture" voter group? From a realpolitik perspective, it's as valid a technique for getting support of any kind as any other political tool.

Because we can.

So thats your argument to why we should commit western resources and/ or people to this. You'll excuse me if I'm not conviced.

You can have opinion if your celebrity. I just happen to have the opinion that it is annoying when celebrities voice their opinion about world issues like darfur just to get attention.

A single page on the CNN website?

What an attention whore.

So thats your argument to why we should commit western resources and/ or people to this. You'll excuse me if I'm not conviced.

Of course you are right, it's a bad idea to share a small amount of our resources to help people. :rolleyes:

So thats your argument to why we should commit western resources and/ or people to this. You'll excuse me if I'm not conviced.

Essentially, it's the "right thing to do".

*shrug*

Essentially, it's the "right thing to do".

*shrug*

"right thing to do" according to whom? Because it seems to me the right thing to do would be to stay out of it.

Of course you are right, it's a bad idea to share a small amount of our resources to help people. :rolleyes:

those resources could go to helping us, why use them on africans?

those resources could go to helping us, why use them on africans?

You are fine, you don't need nearly as much help as they do.

Jesus, it's like explaining why 1 + 1 = 2.

"right thing to do" according to whom? Because it seems to me the right thing to do would be to stay out of it.

I'm afraid I don't see how not helping people in need is the right thing to do. Yes, granted, sometimes the people you help aren't properly grateful afterwards but that's not really the issue.

You are fine, you don't need nearly as much help as they do.

Jesus, it's like explaining why 1 + 1 = 2.

Just because I don't need help doesnt mean I want resources going to africans

I'm afraid I don't see how not helping people in need is the right thing to do.

Because its their problem, not ours.

Just because I don't need help doesnt mean I want resources going to africans

So you don't want to help people? People in serious need for help. What would you rather it be spent on?

So you don't want to help people? People in serious need for help. What would you rather it be spent on?

Thank you. Yes, what should the resources be used for?

Thank you. Yes, what should the resources be used for?
defense, growing the economy, etc.

defense, growing the economy, etc.

You would rather spend it on the worlds largest defense force, and one of the worlds largest economies?

Yeah thats really usefull :rolleyes:

defense, growing the economy, etc.

Well, the current administration is certainly doing a good job of spending resources on defense. As for growing the economy, their only idea seems to be reducing government revenue through tax cuts, which then reduces the amount of resources that can be spent on ... defense, growing the economy, etc. Any thoughts on the "etc"?

Because its their problem, not ours.

The same could be said of the Middle East and Israel but oh look, there we are!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/14/wiesel.clooney.ap/index.html

And this is what Darfur has become. A popular fad for jackass celebrities like Clooney to use to make themselves richer. I've seen a lot of celebs wearing shirts that have stupid slogans on them like "save darfur" and other bullshit. The celebrities bother me, the fact that people pretend that they care about what goes on there bothers me as well. Western governments don't care, the UN doesn't care, the people in the west don't care, not even other muslim nations care. So can we please stop pretending that we care and let the Africans fix an African problem.

Eutrusca is that you?

Interesting.

So are you one of those people that said it was right to invade Iraq because Sadaam is a bad man and kills his own people?

Eutrusca is that you?

Interesting.

So are you one of those people that said it was right to invade Iraq because Sadaam is a bad man and kills his own people?

No, the invasion of Iraq was a retarded mistake.

You would rather spend it on the worlds largest defense force, and one of the worlds largest economies?

Yeah thats really usefull :rolleyes:

quite frankly its better than spending it on africa

No, the invasion of Iraq was a retarded mistake.

So you're just an isolationist? America First and damn everyone else, expect the folks we like? Okay, I can understand that. Not agree with it, but I can understand it.

"right thing to do" according to whom? Because it seems to me the right thing to do would be to stay out of it.

Everyone who is capable of empathy?

So you're just an isolationist? America First and damn everyone else, expect the folks we like? Okay, I can understand that. Not agree with it, but I can understand it.

Judging by threads he's made in the past, I think he just hates Africans.

Judging by threads he's made in the past, I think he just hates Africans.

I was sort of wondering if that was the case.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/14/wiesel.clooney.ap/index.html

And this is what Darfur has become. A popular fad for jackass celebrities like Clooney to use to make themselves richer.

How would promoting the plight of people in Darfur benefit these actors and performance artists?

I've seen a lot of celebs wearing shirts that have stupid slogans on them like "save darfur" and other bullshit. The celebrities bother me, the fact that people pretend that they care about what goes on there bothers me as well. Western governments don't care, the UN doesn't care, the people in the west don't care, not even other muslim nations care. So can we please stop pretending that we care and let the Africans fix an African problem.

You going to actually try and make a point...?

Good for Clooney. I wonder though... how do we really help Darfur? Has anyone heard any decent plans?

Yes first we need massive attention put on it so Clooney is doing a good thing I think. But then what? We certainly dont want to give their govt money and I believe they don't want aid brought in.

Pretty sad.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/14/wiesel.clooney.ap/index.html

And this is what Darfur has become. A popular fad for jackass celebrities like Clooney to use to make themselves richer. I've seen a lot of celebs wearing shirts that have stupid slogans on them like "save darfur" and other bullshit. The celebrities bother me, the fact that people pretend that they care about what goes on there bothers me as well. Western governments don't care, the UN doesn't care, the people in the west don't care, not even other muslim nations care. So can we please stop pretending that we care and let the Africans fix an African problem.

ya damn him for using his celebrity to bring attention to a part of the world that no one cares about.

So you're just an isolationist? America First and damn everyone else, expect the folks we like? Okay, I can understand that. Not agree with it, but I can understand it.

I'm far from an isolationist. I believing in projecting power any where in the world if needed. Iraq was unneeded.

How would promoting the plight of people in Darfur benefit these actors and performance artists?





because morons are more likely to see their movies if they see them helping poor people

Judging by threads he's made in the past, I think he just hates Africans.

I don't hate anyone

Everyone who is capable of empathy?
:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Not my fault you don't seem to understand that other people can suffer.

why should we help them?
We said twelve years ago that we wouldn't let another Rwanda happen again, and now is our chance to prove it.

Also, every human has the right to live and people in Darfur are being denied that right.

The African Union can't afford what it's doing there. They need our aid.

You can have opinion if your celebrity. I just happen to have the opinion that it is annoying when celebrities voice their opinion about world issues like darfur just to get attention.
So you've read his mind? Maybe you can't think beyond masturbatory self-interest, but others can.

George Clooney is a pretty famous guy... if he wanted attention there are much easier ways of doing it.

I'm far from an isolationist. I believing in projecting power any where in the world if needed. Iraq was unneeded.
Darfur is needed.

I don't hate anyone
If you're saying "let them die" you may as well hate them.

We said twelve years ago that we wouldn't let another Rwanda happen again, and now is our chance to prove it.

Also, every human has the right to live and people in Darfur are being denied that right.

The African Union can't afford what it's doing there. They need our aid.

I kinda like what happened in Rwanda to be honest. And I don't care if it happens again. Thats the way africans deal with their issues, we need to stay out of their way.

"every human has the right to live" right, according to who, the UN?

I don't hate anyone

really, you are displaying classic sociopathic tendancies.

400,000 are dead. more will die. and you are giving out that a celeb who is a UN ambassador spoke out. You might not give a shit, but you have gone out of your way to attack someone who does and are arguing against helping the most vunerable there is. and all the time your government talking about islamic terror being the biggest threat to the world.

thats seriously fucked up.

So you've read his mind? Maybe you can't think beyond masturbatory self-interest, but others can.

George Clooney is a pretty famous guy... if he wanted attention there are much easier ways of doing it.
attention for the wrong things may not get people to see his movies, crap like this will.

Darfur is needed.
I'm talking about projecting military power to protect our interests, Darfur is not our interests.

If you're saying "let them die" you may as well hate them.
no, hate is a strong word. I have nothing against africans.

I kinda like what happened in Rwanda to be honest.
There we have it everybody, Soviestan is a psycho.

And I don't care if it happens again. Thats the way africans deal with their issues, we need to stay out of their way.

"every human has the right to live" right, according to who, the UN?
According to this (http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/lang/eng.htm) which the US signed up to.

I'm talking about projecting military power to protect our interests, Darfur is not our interests.
They have oil.

really, you are displaying classic sociopathic tendancies.

400,000 are dead. more will die. and you are giving out that a celeb who is a UN ambassador spoke out. You might not give a shit, but you have gone out of your way to attack someone who does and are arguing against helping the most vunerable there is. and all the time your government talking about islamic terror being the biggest threat to the world.

thats seriously fucked up.

you think a few africans in the dessert somewhere is more of a threat than bin Laden? don't make me laugh

mmmm...dessert
How much of that they have?

you think a few africans in the dessert somewhere is more of a threat than bin Laden? don't make me laugh

Goddamnit, there's nothing I can say to this that won't get me a warning.

you think a few africans in the dessert somewhere is more of a threat than bin Laden? don't make me laugh

its the islamic terrorists doing the genocide you fuckwit.

i hope you are on a wind up, because if thats your opinion, there is probably a dead prostitute in your fridge you weirdo.

There we have it everybody, Soviestan is a psycho.
no, I merely like population control

According to this (http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/lang/eng.htm) which the US signed up to.

I'm not a big of anything the UN writes up. Its nothing more than an organisation set up to oppress wealthy countries.

What, do you automatically lose the right to have an opinion on things if you become a celebrity?

No. You automatically lose the right to have an opinion if you're a liberal celebrity.

Look at the OP's position. "If you act like you care about human suffering then you must be bullshitting." Conservatives don't care about people, so they can't imagine that anyone else does either. They're only aware of the vocabulary of those who care, so they attempt to hijack it to justify their goals. Pretending to care about Iraqis = good because it justifies going after Saddam and giving Bush dictatorial powers. Actually caring about Darfur = bad because then we have to do something about it.

Now back to the celebrity bit. Liberal celebrities got crucified in the media for criticizing bush. But what about the Conservative ones? Dennis Miller got his own talk show, even though he had never been less funny than after 9/11. Bill O'Reilly even had Pat Boone on his show to talk about "that damned liberal media." Pat frickin' Boone. The guy was mediocere when he was popular, but if a Conservative has a pro-conservative opinion to voice he can be as obscure and outdated as Pat Boone and still find a venue. And get conservatives to praise him for it.

its the islamic terrorists doing the genocide you fuckwit.


bullshit

no, I merely like population control
You merely like genocide, no excuses, Quisling.

I'm not a big of anything the UN writes up. Its nothing more than an organisation set up to oppress wealthy countries.
It doesn't matter whether you like it. Your government signed up to it. The UN was set up by wealthy nations, who still make its most powerful members.

bullshit

not only are you a freak, you dont even understand the basics of whats going on in the area you attack in your own thread

basics here rain man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur#Darfur_crisis)

you are a fuckwit of the highest order

not only are you a freak, you dont even understand the basics of whats going on in the area you attack in your own thread

basics here rain man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur#Darfur_crisis)

you are a fuckwit of the highest order

I forgot. They're Muslim, which means they must terrorists. silly me:rolleyes:

I forgot. They're Muslim, which means they must terrorists. silly me:rolleyes:

you were ignorant of whats actually happening in darfur when you opened your little thread of hate, werent you rain man?

fuckwit of the highest order.

You merely like genocide, no excuses, Quisling.

I don't like genocide. I just feel it can be an effective tool in preserving what you have.

I don't like genocide. I just feel it can be an effective tool in preserving what you have.

i can feel my iq lowering the more i read your shite.

i hope something really nasty happens to you and no fucker stops to help. you deserve the karma.

mmmm...dessert
How much of that they have?

its a pretty big dessert actually. Its called the sahara

i can feel my iq lowering the more i read your shite.

i hope something really nasty happens to you and no fucker stops to help. you deserve the karma.
Well, I hope you have a good life and many nice things happen to you.

I don't like genocide. I just feel it can be an effective tool in preserving what you have.
"I kinda like what happened in Rwanda"

what happened in Rwanda was genocide.

"I kinda like what happened in Rwanda"

what happened in Rwanda was genocide.

it had elements of genocide. I'm not sure if you can really call it genocide.

Thread locked. The SR in particular - but just about all of you - need to behave.