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Towards the establishment of the government as shown in the novel "Starship Troopers" by Robert Heinlein (not the crap movie with the same name).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers

We believe that:

Social responsibility requires individual sacrifice. The Terran Federation is a limited democracy with aspects of meritocracy where suffrage belongs only to those willing to serve their society by two years of social service ("the franchise is today limited to discharged veterans," ch. XII), instead of anyone ("...who is 18 years old and has a body temperature near 37 °C.")

Punishment for minor crimes will no longer require a jail sentence - we will bring back public flogging, thus sharply reducing the demand on our prison system.

We in the TFP believe that people have been led to believe that they could simply vote for whatever they wanted . . . and get it, without toil, without sweat, without tears.

That time, is at an end.

More later...

*waits for someone to claim this as a corollary of Godwin's Law*

Although the electoral franchise is limited, the government of the Terran Federation is democratically elected. There is freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of conscience. The political system described in the book is multiracial, multi-religious, and multi-ethnic.

Towards the establishment of the government as shown in the novel "Starship Troopers" by Robert Heinlein (not the crap movie with the same name).

Would it be unfair to suggest that one ought be suspicious of any work glorifying war which is written by someone who has never seen combat.

Would it be unfair to suggest that one ought be suspicious of any work glorifying war which is written by someone who has never seen combat.

Which is why I went to war, just to make sure. As a book, it's on the reading list of every US military academy. Must not be too far off, as far as the point of view of an infantryman goes.

OP- The Free Republic party already has the vision of Heinlein of meritocratic suffrage as its foundation. You should consider joining us so as to have a single push for better government in Parliament.

OP- The Free Republic party already has the vision of Heinlein of meritocratic suffrage as its foundation. You should consider joining us so as to have a single push for better government in Parliament.

Watch out, DK, they might like Muslims... they might even like Arabs!!!

OP- The Free Republic party already has the vision of Heinlein of meritocratic suffrage as its foundation. You should consider joining us so as to have a single push for better government in Parliament.

Done. We're your military voters.

We believe that:

Social responsibility requires individual sacrifice. The Terran Federation is a limited democracy with aspects of meritocracy where suffrage belongs only to those willing to serve their society by two years of social service ("the franchise is today limited to discharged veterans," ch. XII), instead of anyone ("...who is 18 years old and has a body temperature near 37 °C.")

Although the electoral franchise is limited, the government of the Terran Federation is democratically elected. There is freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of conscience. The political system described in the book is multiracial, multi-religious, and multi-ethnic.Of course; it is fiction, after all.

Of course; it is fiction, after all.

Still a lot of good ideas. A lot of what Voltaire wrote is fiction, too - but still good ideas.

Still a lot of good ideas. A lot of what Voltaire wrote is fiction, too - but still good ideas.I was suggesting that the concept of a limited democracy resulting in freedom elsewhere can only happen in fiction.

I was suggesting that the concept of a limited democracy resulting in freedom elsewhere can only happen in fiction.

Well, they sure liberated those Bugs, didn't they? :D

If DK ran for office with a platform like that he'd sure as hell have my vote.

Deep Kimchi for president!

Do adults without the franchise have to pay taxes? Taxation without representation? What stops those who can vote from opressing those who can't? Ideaology? I bet that'll work.

Do adults without the franchise have to pay taxes? Taxation without representation? What stops those who can vote from opressing those who can't? Ideaology? I bet that'll work.

I know a document that would elucidate my opposition to taxation without representation...

Do adults without the franchise have to pay taxes? Taxation without representation? What stops those who can vote from opressing those who can't? Ideaology? I bet that'll work.

Yes, you have to pay taxes. If you don't like it, you can always enlist.

Would it be unfair to suggest that one ought be suspicious of any work glorifying war which is written by someone who has never seen combat.

I would suggest that those who sum up the work as simply "glorifying war," as well as those who use the Terran Federation as some kind of blueprint for actual implimentation, have basically missed the point of the work in question entirely.

Do adults without the franchise have to pay taxes? Taxation without representation? What stops those who can vote from opressing those who can't? Ideaology? I bet that'll work.
While it's not the case that everyone can vote, it is the case that anyone can vote. Those who aren't represented go unrepresented by choice.

Personally I'd prefer to grant suffrage also to entrepreneurs.

I would suggest that those who sum up the work as simply "glorifying war," as well as those who use the Terran Federation as some kind of blueprint for actual implimentation, have basically missed the point of the work in question entirely.

Possibly, but the fact that I describe it as glorifying war doesn't preclude me seeing it as a Bindungsromain, or as a ripping tale, or as one of Heinlein's works which calls for racial inclusion, or indeed for that matter one of the last half-decent novels RAH wrote before the brain-eater got him.

Towards the establishment of the government as shown in the novel "Starship Troopers" by Robert Heinlein (not the crap movie with the same name).

Crap movie? CRAP MOVIE!!????!! :mad:

Crap movie? CRAP MOVIE!!????!! :mad:

Compared to the book, the movie was complete and utter crap.

Compared to the book, the movie was complete and utter crap.

I never read the book, so I'm in no position to argue or agree.

I never read the book, so I'm in no position to argue or agree.

For starters, there's no powered armor in the movie. Big, big disappointment.

For starters, there's no powered armor in the movie. Big, big disappointment.

Personally I thought the movie was surprisingly good, but only because I was already prepared to expect that it would have very little similarity to the novel. Certainly the movie was big and dumb and pretty shallow, but as big, dumb and pretty shallow eyecandy went it was okay.

For starters, there's no powered armor in the movie. Big, big disappointment.

I believe I may own the book. If so, I'll give it a whirl.

As long as I can wear the same getup as Neil Patrick Harris, I'm in.

Possibly, but the fact that I describe it as glorifying war doesn't preclude me seeing it as a Bindungsromain, or as a ripping tale, or as one of Heinlein's works which calls for racial inclusion, or indeed for that matter one of the last half-decent novels RAH wrote before the brain-eater got him.

True enough. It is just that those who do focus only on one tiny aspect, while completely ignoring all else (especially while in the course of making a piece of putrid filth of a movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/) :mad: ), become exceptionally frustrating. :D

I'm already in Science enviroment etc. party but I support the idea of rights that effect the society has to be somehow earned by serving the public according to ones ability.
As for the powered armor, you know how much that would cost soldier? We have a reason to put you on the line in masses of thousands! YOU ARE CHEAPER! Now march ör die!

This party is confusing

As long as I can wear the same getup as Neil Patrick Harris, I'm in.

As long as I can have the babes in the movie, I'm good.

While it's not the case that everyone can vote, it is the case that anyone can vote. Those who aren't represented go unrepresented by choice.

Personally I'd prefer to grant suffrage also to entrepreneurs.

Interesting. By this logic taxes, in the real world, are voluntary. People could choose not to pay taxes by moving to some other country or by not working at all. Taxes are therefore voluntary.

Yes, you have to pay taxes. If you don't like it, you can always enlist.

You didn't remark on how nonenlisters won't be oppressed. Tax 'em higher, the lazy bums. They don't deserve the same rights we do. Sterilize the bastards.

Yes, you have to pay taxes. If you don't like it, you can always enlist.

While it's not the case that everyone can vote, it is the case that anyone can vote. Those who aren't represented go unrepresented by choice.Really? There are no medical restrictions or other reasons that someone couldn't perform social service?