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The NS elections are coming up...

Basically, I want a party cuz none of the others fit my mixed concept. A concept combining Socialism, Capitalism, and in Libertarianism all in a Democratic Republic, held together by labor prisons.

Basic Ideas:

Religion- not in government at all (freedom of religion)
Economy- Government owns SOME basic services, but anyone can try and compete. Which they will fail at.
Political- Big Republic with many referendas.
Social- Equality
Intellectual- Education is important
Artistic- Freedom of speech except where ACTUAL DAMAGES are created (not getting your 'feelings' hurt, but by a false statement causing a company to crash)
Military- necessary for defense.
Police- necessary and funded
Taxes- el ub3r rich need to be taxed more. Reverse of capitalist tax system (More $$= more tax)

These positions are not a manifesto, just some ideas. if you like the title, then you are welcome.

Anyone interested?

Interesting name, though the principles are good...I would have referred to it as Social Democratic, but whatever works.

Interesting name, though the principles are good...I would have referred to it as Social Democratic, but whatever works.

The name was to give everything upfront, but it is not the party name. That... *gulp* ... will be voted on.

So, are you in?

Which one of those platform planks is libertarian? I don't even see legalization of drugs. I think the Social Democrats have beat you to the punch.

Which one of those platform planks is libertarian? I don't even see legalization of drugs. I think the Social Democrats have beat you to the punch.

Laws... didn't I put that?


Oops... well yeah, drugs are OK (except for those second-hand-smoke types... falls under 'Harming Others'...

EDIT:

Laws- truly Libertarian (if it does not TRULY harm someone else, it is OK)

Religion- not in government at all (freedom of religion)Self-defeating. Every system has some guiding prinicpal which is directly affected by what it beleives about God, regardless what the people under it believe.
Economy- Government owns SOME basic services, but anyone can try and compete. Which they will fail at.Uhh, good but not good enough. The government should own nothing but the military and such. That doesn't mean they can't regulate.
Political- Big Republic with many referendas.Too democratic. I prefer the intelligent and the moral to rule, not the ignorant, fickle masses.
Social- EqualityEquality can me many things, most of which I reject as disregarding differences that are really there.
Intellectual- Education is importantOf course.
Artistic- Freedom of speech except where ACTUAL DAMAGES are created (not getting your 'feelings' hurt, but by a false statement causing a company to crash)Umm, I like and I don't. I would like to see the regulations be a little more concrete.
Military- necessary for defense.Of course, but sometimes the best defense is a good offence
Police- necessary and fundedOf course
Taxes- el ub3r rich need to be taxed more. Reverse of capitalist tax system (More $$= more tax)What happened to equality? I thought everyone was equal, which means we shouldn't look at people's paychecks.

I didn't see anything about welfare, but I'm against that, too. It takes away from the people's need to work, which then increases the failure of the people to meet their responsibility to work if they are able. Welfare should be left to charities.

I would have to say that I disagree with your party too much to support it. Unless you amend some things, I have to put my support elsewhere.

Religion- not in government at all (freedom of religion)Self-defeating. Every system has some guiding prinicpal which is directly affected by what it beleives about God, regardless what the people under it believe.
Funny that you're pro-Christian government, but want to ignore the commands to help people less fortunate than ourselves.

Funny that you're pro-Christian government, but want to ignore the commands to help people less fortunate than ourselves.

Who said I was ignoring them? I think we should all help those less fortunate. But that's the responsibility of the indivdual and the Church, not the civil government. The civil government is there to protect the people and the Church.

What are the NS elections, exactly? Whom do we elect?

Religion- not in government at all (freedom of religion)Self-defeating. Every system has some guiding prinicpal which is directly affected by what it beleives about God, regardless what the people under it believe.
Economy- Government owns SOME basic services, but anyone can try and compete. Which they will fail at.Uhh, good but not good enough. The government should own nothing but the military and such. That doesn't mean they can't regulate.
Political- Big Republic with many referendas.Too democratic. I prefer the intelligent and the moral to rule, not the ignorant, fickle masses.
Social- EqualityEquality can me many things, most of which I reject as disregarding differences that are really there.
Intellectual- Education is importantOf course.
Artistic- Freedom of speech except where ACTUAL DAMAGES are created (not getting your 'feelings' hurt, but by a false statement causing a company to crash)Umm, I like and I don't. I would like to see the regulations be a little more concrete.
Military- necessary for defense.Of course, but sometimes the best defense is a good offence
Police- necessary and fundedOf course
Taxes- el ub3r rich need to be taxed more. Reverse of capitalist tax system (More $$= more tax)What happened to equality? I thought everyone was equal, which means we shouldn't look at people's paychecks.

I didn't see anything about welfare, but I'm against that, too. It takes away from the people's need to work, which then increases the failure of the people to meet their responsibility to work if they are able. Welfare should be left to charities.

I would have to say that I disagree with your party too much to support it. Unless you amend some things, I have to put my support elsewhere.

Wow, that is a lot of problems you have, Edwardis...

By "equal", I meant "no discrimination in the workplace/schools/etc." Taxes, however, are different...

Welfare- needed lest teh plebians eat us. That and it's right.


You must understand that these are IDEAS, not a manifesto. As I mentioned in the OP, the party's actual stances are (as yet) unformed. If you agree with the title, enter us and help us with stances and a name. if not, then you are free to join elsewhere.

Wow, that is a lot of problems you have, Edwardis...

By "equal", I meant "no discrimination in the workplace/schools/etc." Taxes, however, are different...

Welfare- needed lest teh plebians eat us. That and it's right.


You must understand that these are IDEAS, not a manifesto. As I mentioned in the OP, the party's actual stances are (as yet) unformed. If you agree with the title, enter us and help us with stances and a name. if not, then you are free to join elsewhere.

Then I'll join elsewhere. Unless the stances are different from the ideas. Actually, I think this election thing is kinda silly, so I won't join any party, but that's beside the point.

You always need to define "equal" because it is used in so many different ways. So your definition doesn't apply to taxes, but I still disagree with your idea on taxes.

I never said that welfare wasn't needed. I just said it shouldn't come from or come through the civil government.

But, I'm not joining this party, anyway, so you needn't listen to my ideas. I would prefer you to, of course, but it's not my party.

Who said I was ignoring them? I think we should all help those less fortunate. But that's the responsibility of the indivdual and the Church, not the civil government. The civil government is there to protect the people and the Church.

The Old Testament disagrees with you, advocating the regular redistribution of land, leaving the corners of the fields for the poor, and tithing to support the unproductive priest class.

welfare libertarian is a contradiction in terms. I am (in practical affect) a libertarian and claiming to be a libertarian under those ideas is like Bush claiming to be a democrat.

The Old Testament disagrees with you, advocating the regular redistribution of land, leaving the corners of the fields for the poor, and tithing to support the unproductive priest class.

And? Did the civil government control that? The answer is no, not in the case of the tithing at least. I have to reread the land redistribution.

What's not to like about The Human Rights Party?

What's not to like about The Human Rights Party?

Prisoner's rights among other things.

Teh bump

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What's not to like about The Human Rights Party?
It isn't MOBRA.
VOTE MOBRA!

It isn't MOBRA.
VOTE MOBRA!

:rolleyes: Can I have my thread back?

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:rolleyes: Can I have my thread back?
When i am done, which might be now, might not be either.:D

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Does anyone else find the name "welfare-state libertarians" as ironic as I do? For some reason that seems to me to be a fundamental contradiction in terms.

Does anyone else find the name "welfare-state libertarians" as ironic as I do? For some reason that seems to me to be a fundamental contradiction in terms.

Ah, but it is not.

The civil rights are libertarian.

Teh economy is an ub3r w3lfar3 st8.

Teh government is a democratic republic (or whatever, really. That is just my view).

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This is now the Defenderist Party.

This is our manifesto:

Our laws are simple: We will defend our people from any threats (except themselves).


Politically: Our party will be as efficient as possible while putting the people's TRUE interests first.

Economically: We will prevent any injustices/ ub3r money hogging (think Bill Gates, NOT some dude who won the lottery) and will make sure every UNWILLING impoverished person is cared for (i.e., if you just refuse to work, you are on your own. If you cannot read and thus cannot work, we'll help you).

Religiously: We will defend against any religious persecution, except where practices defy our other Law.

Socially: We will not allow segregationist policies, but words are not counted.

Intellectually: We will do our best to ensure everyone has full access to knowledge WITHOUT forcing it upon them.

Artistically: We will allow all manners of safe expression.

Legally: Our laws are only there to ensure that you do not hurt others.

Militarily: Our militias will only be used in defense.

Legal Punishments: The prisoners get to work in labor prisons for a short while (not long compared to jail time). They will work to reimburse their crimes twice: Once to pay the state for supporting them, and once for the victims.

Any questions?

While I in no way endorse any aspect of the Defenderist platform, I hereby temporarily join this party for the sole purpose of permitting it to participate in the forthcoming election, as requested in my own party's thread.

Assuming, that is, that said temporary membership by another party founder is considered legal.

However, I remain committed in the interim to running the campaign of my own party, the Not Particularly Vicious Black Friday Afternoon Non-Marxist Revolutionary Party for the Reunification of Gondwanaland (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499310)

Join us in the NPVBFANMRPFTROG, brothers, sisters, and trans-gendered! Support the quixotic unaccountable rule of continental reunificationists!

While I in no way endorse any aspect of the Defenderist platform, I hereby temporarily join this party for the sole purpose of permitting it to participate in the forthcoming election, as requested in my own party's thread.

Assuming, that is, that said temporary membership by another party founder is considered legal.

However, I remain committed in the interim to running the campaign of my own party, the Not Particularly Vicious Black Friday Afternoon Non-Marxist Revolutionary Party for the Reunification of Gondwanaland (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499310)

Join us in the NPVBFANMRPFTROG, brothers, sisters, and trans-gendered! Support the quixotic unaccountable rule of continental reunificationists!

The Defenderist Party is up!

The above manifesto shall be our true manifesto.

The Defenderist Party is up!

The above manifesto shall be our true manifesto.

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