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I'm tired. I need a drink, and maybe a snack, to get through the rest of my day. Is anyone else tired? Do you need coffee or something?

(Oooooh.... maybe I'll get myself a caramel iced cappachino! Expensive, but I don't indulge that often.)

I'm pretty tired, but it's the end of my day awake, pretty much (bah, college is a tiring thing!).

And a mocha might be a better choice - but I'd rather not fight over it.

my parents have been away all week and I don’t have long till the army so this is my first in all night all week I haven’t slept much at all either

no I’m not tired though I will be as soon as I get bored

edit: and half my body is dead thanks to couches cant people buy spare beds!:mad:

I just put a pot of coffee on a few minutes ago. It's cool and raining here-feels like November already, not Sept.
This will be a good night to light a fire in the new fireplace for the first time too.

I ended up with an iced mocha caramel thing... it will do the job.

If you get me thinking about lighting a fire though, I may fall asleep despite the mocha.

Yootopia - I take it you have enlisted? Or is there a draft in the UK I've not heard of before? I'm goingto have to serve 6 months in about a year, so I've become very interested in other peoples military experiences.

Yootopia - I take it you have enlisted? Or is there a draft in the UK I've not heard of before? I'm goingto have to serve 6 months in about a year, so I've become very interested in other peoples military experiences.

erm you mean me right?

erm you mean me right?

Woops, sorry, yes, I meant you, Call to power... sorry... like I said, I'm tired.

Woops, sorry, yes, I meant you, Call to power... sorry... like I said, I'm tired.

its Thursday the worst day of the week I’m sure you can rob a bank and get away with it today

And no there isn't a draft I'm just signing up (as a medic I might add its so fucking extreme not being allowed to fire first and hoping the enemy respects Geneva and the rules of war)

(as a medic I might add its so fucking extreme not being allowed to fire first and hoping the enemy respects Geneva and the rules of war)
What are you talking about? Not an expert in british military law but if you see someone w/ a weapon and he's not on your side you better fucking fire. That was general ROE that i dictated in the entirety of both of my tours.

What are you talking about? Not an expert in british military law but if you see someone w/ a weapon and he's not on your side you better fucking fire. That was general ROE that i dictated in the entirety of both of my tours.

well supposedly you only have a weapon to defend yourself and the casualties once you attack (or attach a bayonet, carry a grenade launcher ect) you are no longer under the protection of the Geneva convention

well supposedly you only have a weapon to defend yourself and the casualties once you attack (or attach a bayonet, carry a grenade launcher ect) you are no longer under the protection of the Geneva convention

If you are conducting a DA assault/raid on a know EP then you better belive that you are using that weapon to kill and not defend. Your title of medic is used more or less b/c of a lack of better terms. In the Marines/Navy it's called a corpman and you are not protected under Geneva Conventions. Now if you are actually a non-combat medic then you don't even have to worry about enemy contact.

What does have to do with arguing?

Iced mocha... gone... sleepiness back... *drool* must stay awake...

Anyway, bot of you, please tell me more of what you did/are going to do in the army. My 6 months will be half in basic, and the other half serving, but I have no idea what I would like to do, and even less what they will let me do.

What does have to do with arguing?

I was wondering how long it would take to go from a topic as innocuous as I could think of, to an arguement. ... my expectations have been let down, so far.

If you are conducting a DA assault/raid on a know EP then you better belive that you are using that weapon to kill and not defend. Your title of medic is used more or less b/c of a lack of better terms. In the Marines/Navy it's called a corpman and you are not protected under Geneva Conventions. Now if you are actually a non-combat medic then you don't even have to worry about enemy contact.
ah but as a medic you can (and as far as I know British ones are expected) to surrender if confronted with an enemy (you are also taught to be more concerned with your patients than rushing off being Rambo)

But that being said at the end of the day you still can fire if you wish and lose the protection of the Geneva convention and the rules of war but I would prefer to not risk the lives of my patients

What does have to do with arguing?
I can't believe you're too stupid to realise, you against-me-in-some-key-issue-or-another-perhaps type!

Why don't you got and kill some babies / abortion doctors, you silly neo-Nazi / Commie / other political denomination with some form of slur attached chap / woman!

Urmm yes... there.

Sorry for being rude.

Anyway, bot of you, please tell me more of what you did/are going to do in the army. My 6 months will be half in basic, and the other half serving, but I have no idea what I would like to do, and even less what they will let me do.

I'm just hoping to get in as a medic (kind of failed my PRM test so no marines)

I might however go for being a PARA depends on what the military thinks would be best I am also hoping on serving as long as I can because its really something I love

ah but as a medic you can (and as far as I know British ones are expected) to surrender if confronted with an enemy (you are also taught to be more concerned with your patients than rushing off being Rambo)
Expected to surrender? Now i know that you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not WWII. You are not a non-combatant. You are a soldier who is expected to act as such when under enemy fire. What the hell do you mean Rambo? You obviously have no military experience and are going to be in for a treat on day 1.
But that being said at the end of the day you still can fire if you wish and lose the protection of the Geneva convention and the rules of war but I would prefer to not risk the lives of my patients
You have obviously never been under fire. Do you think that the Geneva conventions are like a bubble of protection from lead? When you are under fire (especially when untrained) there is a tendancy to just poke your weapon around the corner and fire on auto. Sorry but someone who doesn't even care about the conventions in the first place is not going to risk his life to make sure you can go back to your folks.

Expected to surrender? Now i know that you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not WWII. You are not a non-combatant. You are a soldier who is expected to act as such when under enemy fire. What the hell do you mean Rambo? You obviously have no military experience and are going to be in for a treat on day 1.

You have obviously never been under fire. Do you think that the Geneva conventions are like a bubble of protection from lead? When you are under fire (especially when untrained) there is a tendancy to just poke your weapon around the corner and fire on auto. Sorry but someone who doesn't even care about the conventions in the first place is not going to risk his life to make sure you can go back to your folks.

A fair number of people on this forum think that, in the words of C3-P0, "surrender is a perfectly viable option".

Well, only if you like getting shot, or getting your throat cut.

Expected to surrender? Now i know that you have no idea what you are talking about. This is not WWII. You are not a non-combatant. You are a soldier who is expected to act as such when under enemy fire. What the hell do you mean Rambo? You obviously have no military experience and are going to be in for a treat on day 1.

when under fire is the important part the job of a medic isn't to fight the enemy and also medics are actually non-combatants providing medical care

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Medic


You have obviously never been under fire. Do you think that the Geneva conventions are like a bubble of protection from lead? When you are under fire (especially when untrained) there is a tendancy to just poke your weapon around the corner and fire on auto. Sorry but someone who doesn't even care about the conventions in the first place is not going to risk his life to make sure you can go back to your folks.

I will take my chances with stray bullets rather than shots aimed at me

I can't believe you're too stupid to realise, you against-me-in-some-key-issue-or-another-perhaps type!

Why don't you got and kill some babies / abortion doctors, you silly neo-Nazi / Commie / other political denomination with some form of slur attached chap / woman!

Urmm yes... there.

Sorry for being rude.

LOL - funny ass shit, but not quite what I was looking for... I want an arguement... a debate! Not a flame :p


Look's like Call and USMC might be on to something though... one or two more posts each and theymight be there. :-D

EDIT: While writing this, I think Call crossed the line into arguement/debate. Let's watch!

when under fire is the important part the job of a medic isn't to fight the enemy and also medics are actually non-combatants providing medical care

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Medic

I will take my chances with stray bullets rather than shots aimed at me

The problem being, you can't tell which are stray, and which are aimed at you, when you're working on someone (assuming you're a medic).

You also can't expect to live if you surrender, unless it's to an organized military that respects the Geneva Convention, and is a High Contracting Party.

Surrender to most insurgents, and your family will be lucky to receive your bones in a few years, if at all.

Yay! I can go home now... all I have to do is make it back home without crashing my car!!! Woo hoo!!!

when under fire is the important part the job of a medic isn't to fight the enemy and also medics are actually non-combatants providing medical care

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Medic
In a combat situation, nobody w/ a weapon is a non-combat personel. I don't care what regs say. Are you saying that if you are underfire and are desperately needed to repulse an attack you would say "no, i can't b/c i am non combat"?



I will take my chances with stray bullets rather than shots aimed at me
You say that now but i'm not quite sure that you know what it means to be taking rounds 15 ft from you.

The problem being, you can't tell which are stray, and which are aimed at you, when you're working on someone (assuming you're a medic).

yep you can just hope

and hope I shall but if I'm working on wounded I'd rather not have there death on my hands

You also can't expect to live if you surrender, unless it's to an organized military that respects the Geneva Convention, and is a High Contracting Party.

hell I would trust insurgents with the rules of war the odds are they would just keep me prisoner anyways because skilled medics are always in need (don't destroy this I'd rather live in ignorance if its wrong)

and hope I shall but if I'm working on wounded I'd rather not have there death on my hands

You'd rather have their death, yours and the rest of your squads on your hands?

In a combat situation, nobody w/ a weapon is a non-combat personel. I don't care what regs say. Are you saying that if you are underfire and are desperately needed to repulse an attack you would say "no, i can't b/c i am non combat"?

well if I was under fire it would be allowed but I would rather see myself saving the lives of my wounded comrades

You say that now but i'm not quite sure that you know what it means to be taking rounds 15 ft from you.

I did say I would rather but in that situation I have no idea how I would act then again why are you arguing this with me I just stated what was expected of me to do in the position of medic

well if I was under fire it would be allowed but I would rather see myself saving the lives of my wounded comrades
And then have your position overrun and everyone die. If you are not needed in the fight then obviously you attend to wounded. If you are needed you follow orders and you fight.


why are you arguing this with me I just stated what was expected of me to do in the position of medic

Because you are wrong.

You'd rather have their death, yours and the rest of your squads on your hands?

its not my job to fight my job is too look after my patients if they or myself come under fire then I will gladly return it but until that happens I would be risking the lives of my patients now if I did leave my patients to fight the enemy I may as well of signed up as an infantryman

its not my job
Thats right b/c ur still a civilian. if they or myself come under fire then I will gladly return it but until that happens I would be risking the lives of my patientsHow do you think that they would become patients? now if I did leave my patients to fight the enemy I may as well of signed up as an infantryman
When you are under superior fire thats exactly what you are and what you have to be. When the fire dies down, then you treat your patients.

And then have your position overrun and everyone die. If you are not needed in the fight then obviously you attend to wounded. If you are needed you follow orders and you fight.

ah so now its if I'm ordered well then I would (however I would be pretty pissed about leaving wounded to die) I for one will take the chance that the enemy will follow rules of war and leave the wounded and myself to live because there is really no point in killing those who are non-combatants

Because you are wrong.

then take it up with your commanders if you think its wrong

ah so now its if I'm ordered well then I would (however I would be pretty pissed about leaving wounded to die) I for one will take the chance that the enemy will follow rules of war and leave the wounded and myself to live because there is really no point in killing those who are non-combatants
If they are so critical that they can't afford 5min for you to help acheive fire superiority then they are too critical for you to help if you are really under heavy fire. Plus the other problem is assessing casualties. If you are pinned down it is very difficult to find who is wounded b/c often the wounded themselves don't know it.


then take it up with your commanders if you think its wrong
I dictate S.O.P. in my company and all corpsman attached to patrols are made aware that they are to help gain fire superiority until they are able to assess casualties w/ their patrol leader and stabilize the wounded.

Y'all are way, waaaay off-topic. Not that the topic was all that substantial to begin with. Which is why I'm locking the thread. Feel free to start a new thread on the issue if it's that important to you.