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I dont have a link yet, but just saw on MSNBC that Doug "DOG" Chapmann and two of his guys were arrested today by US Marshals for kidnapping, in Mexico, three years ago when he brought that scumbag rapist back to the US.
I'm wondering why this is an issue-why does he need to be arrested?

Didn't he get arrested and tried in Mexico? Why arrest him again in the US? At least we know he'll make bail.

I dont have a link yet, but just saw on MSNBC that Doug "DOG" Chapmann and two of his guys were arrested today by US Marshals for kidnapping, in Mexico, three years ago when he brought that scumbag rapist back to the US.
I'm wondering why this is an issue-why does he need to be arrested?

HOw the hell does a bounty hunter do his job without kidnapping? Convincing speeches?!? :confused:

I dont have a link yet, but just saw on MSNBC that Doug "DOG" Chapmann and two of his guys were arrested today by US Marshals for kidnapping, in Mexico, three years ago when he brought that scumbag rapist back to the US.
I'm wondering why this is an issue-why does he need to be arrested?

Because he probably did violate the law, technically. I won't argue the merits of whether the scumbag rapist needed to be kidnapped and brought back to stand trial because I don't know the case in detail, but law enforcement people, one of whom Dog would count himself, need to be careful about breaking the law themselves.

So will he go to Prison or the dog pound?

hope he gets a nice jail sentence so that he can try and find a job afterwards just like all the guys he arrested did

Also he crossed an international border to peruse his own interpretation of justice

HOw the hell does a bounty hunter do his job without kidnapping? Convincing speeches?!? :confused:

Here in the US, he is allowed to apprehend fugitives.

From what I understand, he did so in Mexico as a civilian. The guy he brough back was tried and convicted and is now serving over 100 years in prison.
Dog and two of his guys were arrested in Mexco and held for a few days before release.

So far, I am still missing the part on why he is being arrested again, and here in the US.

hope he gets a nice jail sentence so that he can try and find a job afterwards just like all the guys he arrested did

Also he crossed an international border to peruse his own interpretation of justice

Yeah- you make perfect sense there. We dont need guys like him rounding up scum of the earth, right?

So far, he seems to be the only guy crossing the border that people are upset about. Even though he crossed legally.


I guess we should have let the filthy rich rapist go, to live out his days in comfort and luxury.

:rolleyes:

I tell you why he needs to be arrested; for gross dressing violations he and his 'family' have made over the years.

hope he gets a nice jail sentence so that he can try and find a job afterwards just like all the guys he arrested did

Also he crossed an international border to peruse his own interpretation of justice

I don't follow his show, but I caught Dog being interviewed a few months ago, and the man is a convicted fellon. That's why he can't carry a gun - he's not allowed to. He stopped a prison guard from shooting a run-away by chasing him down, and his parol judge after that asked him to bring a no show to the court, and that's how he got started in bounty hunting.

Somthing like that anyway, the interview was a few months ago. My point is that he has already served prison time, and he knows what it's like inside.

"Vigilante gets arrested in a foreign country for disobeying their laws shocker".

I tell you why he needs to be arrested; for gross dressing violations he and his 'family' have made over the years.

http://www.neworleansblack.com/fashion/images/FashionPolice.jpg

Yeah- you make perfect sense there. We dont need guys like him rounding up scum of the earth, right?

I really don’t give a shit about the rapist or whatever other crimes he committed when a supposed enforcer of the law breaks the law to catch him

http://www.neworleansblack.com/fashion/images/FashionPolice.jpg

Damn 'straight'!

oh...

He is peurile.

and he knows what it's like inside.

seeing as how he luckily found a job right away he’s not really in the position to say "prison will fix you"

HOw the hell does a bounty hunter do his job without kidnapping? Convincing speeches?!? :confused:


You are supposed to say "Pretty please with sugar on top!"

I really don’t give a shit about the rapist or whatever other crimes he committed when a supposed enforcer of the law breaks the law to catch him

No kidding.

hope he gets a nice jail sentence so that he can try and find a job afterwards just like all the guys he arrested did

Also he crossed an international border to peruse his own interpretation of justice


Been arrested have you?

seeing as how he luckily found a job right away he’s not really in the position to say "prison will fix you"

He served all of his time. It looks like he was fixed.

Good, you have no idea how much I fucking hate that show.

Been arrested have you?

no but know someone who spent time in prison

Good, you have no idea how much I fucking hate that show.

Then why do you watch it?

I don't see the problem. Guy breaks the law, guy fronts a judge. If it's a bullshit charge, judge walks him, and if not, we proceed to trial.

System seems to work 99% of the time.

He served all of his time. It looks like he was fixed.It definately doesn't LOOK like he was fixed. His actions, on the other hand, may suggest he was... to a degree...

He served all of his time. It looks like he was fixed.

no he isn't out shoplifting because he can afford not to resort to crime

Then why do you watch it?

Because my brother loves it so if it's on then it's on the tv.

I tell you why he needs to be arrested; for gross dressing violations he and his 'family' have made over the years.

Agreed. He and his wife are just plain strange looking.

Because my brother loves it so if it's on then it's on the tv.
Does he tie you to the couch?

Finally found the news bit.

It is interesting that three years later they ask for this.

I wonder if the Luster family gave some money to Mexico?

*Puts on his tin foil hat*

Does he tie you to the couch?

No, but it means that it'll be on in the background while I'm doing something else or I'll catch snatches of it while I'm walking passed and it's just awful. In fact I think we should bring in a new law that allows for the arrest and imprisonment of the makers of all bad tv as judged by me *nods*

Agreed. He and his wife are just plain strange looking.
Hey! Strange is good, but if you are a bounty hunter and put out this pic (http://epguides.com/DogtheBountyHunter/cast.jpg), I have to ask WTF!?! I mean Blade Runner watch out!

seeing as how he luckily found a job right away he’s not really in the position to say "prison will fix you"

I doubt he has ever said that, but if he had, he DID find work right away, so he IS in a position to talk. I wouldn't be, never having been to prison, but his experience would validate his opinion.

Besides, he's a bounty-hunter. He gets paid to track down people who brake bail. That's not law-enforcement, that's muscle for hire.

I doubt he has ever said that, but if he had, he DID find work right away, so he IS in a position to talk. I wouldn't be, never having been to prison, but his experience would validate his opinion.

he found work using his physical strength to catch people how many ex-drug addicts can do that? and its hardly a safe job

Besides, he's a bounty-hunter. He gets paid to track down people who brake bail. That's not law-enforcement, that's muscle for hire.

so if he’s not law enforcement that makes him a vigilante and thus nothing but a crook who thinks he can justify himself

I doubt he has ever said that, but if he had, he DID find work right away, so he IS in a position to talk. I wouldn't be, never having been to prison, but his experience would validate his opinion.

Besides, he's a bounty-hunter. He gets paid to track down people who brake bail. That's not law-enforcement, that's muscle for hire.

Obviously some of you don't know what a bounty hunter is. They don't take random jobs from random people, and he doesn't chase just anybody. He gives people bonds to get out of jail on the condition that they show up to court and serve their time. They don't do that, so unless he can catch them and bring them back, he has to pay for it out of his pocket.

He's not a "vigilante". He works -with- law enforcement.

And Call to Power, if you're so worried about people in jail how about you try to keep them from going there in the first place instead of bitching about the people who do something about it when some asshole beats on his wife and runs from the cops.

This isnt the Sudan or anarchyland, vigilantes who break the law belong in prison.

This isnt the Sudan or anarchyland, vigilantes who break the law belong in prison.

You're stupid.

Again, he's not a vigilante, and as far as I can see he's broken no laws he hasn't already been tried for.

EDIT: There's a video on his arrest on msn.com

And Call to Power, if you're so worried about people in jail how about you try to keep them from going there in the first place

because you can't stop crime unless you raise taxes and such which people don't like and also because rehabilitation works and thus the expensive prison system is redundant (never mind the fact that you can't stop crime barring making everything legal)

instead of bitching about the people who do something about it when some asshole beats on his wife and runs from the cops.

Again I don’t give a rats arse what the criminal did I’m far more worried about law enforcement breaking the law

because you can't stop crime unless you raise taxes and such which people don't like and also because rehabilitation works and thus the expensive prison system is redundant (never mind the fact that you can't stop crime barring making everything legal)



Again I don’t give a rats arse what the criminal did I’m far more worried about law enforcement breaking the law

A: I'd rather have crackheads and gangsters in jail than roaming the streets. Don't get mad at the people who bring them to justice, get mad at the government for creating the system in the first place.

B: Tell me what law he broke, please.

A: I'd rather have crackheads and gangsters in jail than roaming the streets. Don't get mad at the people who bring them to justice, get mad at the government for creating the system in the first place.

B: Tell me what law he broke, please.

He didnt notify the local authorities in Mexico when he was going to nab the rapist. (this probably translates to "He didnt "bribe" the local authorities)

The charges were dropped, he was released.

And now we have US Marshals wasting time and resources, arresting three men who spend their time bringing fugitives to justice.
For Mexico, no less.

Again I don’t give a rats arse what the criminal did I’m far more worried about law enforcement breaking the law

Oh, for the love of God. Spare us any explanations.

A: I'd rather have crackheads and gangsters in jail than roaming the streets. Don't get mad at the people who bring them to justice, get mad at the government for creating the system in the first place.

are you suggesting we lock up "crackheads" (erm shouldn't they go drug rehab) and gangsters and throw away the key? and Dog is also the blame because he’s the one catching them and bringing them to court

B: Tell me what law he broke, please.

something to do with breaking a law enforcement code I would imagine after all he didn’t just commit kidnap

because you can't stop crime unless you raise taxes and such which people don't like and also because rehabilitation works and thus the expensive prison system is redundant (never mind the fact that you can't stop crime barring making everything legal)


Please. How many criminals can you rehabilitate if you don't imprison them?



Again I don’t give a rats arse what the criminal did I’m far more worried about law enforcement breaking the law

Well Ace: He is not law enforcement. He works with them.

Hmm violent rapist with money caught in Mexico vs an ebil law breaking bounty hunter catching him.

Ohh but we can always depend on Mexico for extraditing people let alone finding them.

Glad to know where your priorities are. :rolleyes:

Oh, for the love of God. Spare us any explanations.

wow why that argument is on the intelligence level of my cat well done

are you suggesting we lock up "crackheads" (erm shouldn't they go drug rehab) and gangsters and throw away the key? and Dog is also the blame because he’s the one catching them and bringing them to court


What the hell are you talking about?


something to do with breaking a law enforcement code I would imagine after all he didn’t just commit kidnap

Oh boo hoo. A bounty hunter "kidnapped" a violent rapist who fled the country.

wow why that argument is on the intelligence level of my cat well done

Judging by the rest of this topic, it's better than all the crap you've been feeding everyone.

dont try to explain it, you'll just get annoyed

Please. How many criminals can you rehabilitate if you don't imprison them?

there would obviously be held at rehabilitation centres how could you of missed that?


Well Ace: He is not law enforcement. He works with them.

And so he should follow the law like law enforcement does it doesn’t matter if he’s not being paid

Hmm violent rapist with money caught in Mexico vs an ebil law breaking bounty hunter catching him.

Or one rapist Vs a police force that more and more does whatever it pleases

Glad to know where your priorities are. :rolleyes:

Yep I like having a society where no one is above the law

Oh boo hoo. A bounty hunter "kidnapped" a violent rapist who fled the country.

yep and so he committed kidnap

Judging by the rest of this topic, it's better than all the crap you've been feeding everyone.

wow so instead of actually looking at my arguments you’ve decided to just say there crap and ignore them hmm…you know my cat can wash itself….

there would obviously be held at rehabilitation centres how could you of missed that?


Well slick Crystal meth is not something you just take a weekend and you are cured. Never mind the fact you have to want to go to one.

They violate the law; they go to prision.

And so he should follow the law like law enforcement does it doesn’t matter if he’s not being paid

:rolleyes:

or one rapist Vs a police force that more and more does whatever it pleases

:rolleyes:

Yep I like having a society where no one is above the law

Except the violent rapist is seems.

Bounty Hunters a licensed.

Bounty Hunters do not mete out "justice" as vigilantees do, they, with the consent of their governments (licensing) bring suspected criminals who have run away back to court.

It is a dangerous job.

The crime he was put away for was parole violation. He was on parole for minor crime (vandelism or something fr which he was not sent to prison), and then he was in a house where a crime was being comitted, and so he got sent to jail (again, if a detail is wrong, forgive me, but this is what I remember from the interview).

Now he uses the talents he does have (because this man isn't going to be a literary critic any time soon) to do a job that he can do despite having a criminal record.

I won't call him a hero, but theman has earned some level of respect. From his POV he got screwed on that paroll thing, and he made the best of a really shitty situation and is a functioning member of society again.

yep and so he committed kidnap

The charges were dropped, so h was SUSPECTED of kidnapping, but, in fact, it wasn'tthe case. If anything, he's guilty of one case of failingto communicate properly... yes, he's such a lawbreaking vigilante. He should get the chair.

yep and so he committed kidnap


Sweety.

The charges were dropped. At least know something about what you are commenting on.

Thank God. I hate that dumbass, he deserved to go to prison a long time ago.

Well slick Crystal meth is not something you just take a weekend and you are cured. Never mind the fact you have to want to go to one.

yes because you can expect to be let out after a weekend no matter what the doctors may think :rolleyes:

They violate the law; they go to prision.

yes a long healthy jail sentence will surely stop you from committing a crime again whilst where there lets bring back corporal punishment

Except the violent rapist is seems.

the violent rapist if he’s lucky would of spent the rest of his life on the run he wasn't above the law the law was just unable to catch him

the violent rapist if he’s lucky would of spent the rest of his life on the run he wasn't above the law the law was just unable to catch him

Well sweety,

If you knew anything of the case. He is an heir so he had the money to remain at large.

Yep I like having a society where no one is above the law

If you don't enforce any laws then everyone is above the law.


Edit: i think u have a tg from yesterday

If you don't enforce any laws then everyone is above the law.

which is why there are laws on enforcing the law


Edit: i think u have a tg from yesterday

never got it send it again

I havent seen any new news on this today- isnt he supposed to go before a judge today ?

HOw the hell does a bounty hunter do his job without kidnapping? Convincing speeches?!? :confused:

He went bounty hunting in Mexico where it is illegal.

He went bounty hunting in Mexico where it is illegal.

True.
On September 14, 2006, Dog Chapman was arrested at the request of the Mexican government to be extradited to Mexico to face charges of "Deprivation of Liberty". The charges stem from Chapman's capture of Max Factor heir Andrew Luster , a convicted rapist, on June 18, 2003 in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. Chapman's capture of Luster - a serial rapist - catapulted the bounty hunter to fame and led to the reality series on the A&E channel. Bounty hunting is considered a crime in Mexico.~ wiki

The charges were dropped. At least know something about what you are commenting on.


The charges where not dropped. He made bail three years ago and then never showed up for his trial. He is a bail jumper.

He didnt notify the local authorities in Mexico when he was going to nab the rapist. (this probably translates to "He didnt "bribe" the local authorities)

The charges were dropped, he was released.

And now we have US Marshals wasting time and resources, arresting three men who spend their time bringing fugitives to justice.
For Mexico, no less.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14839076/


Charges have been pending against the three since local police in Mexico arrested them shortly after they roped in Luster. They posted bail but never returned to Puerto Vallarta for their court hearing on July 15, 2003, Credic said.

Bounty Hunting should be legalized...maybe with a license so we don't get phonies. But the license should be cheap yet include a deep background check.

The charges where not dropped. He made bail three years ago and then never showed up for his trial. He is a bail jumper.

Which, funnily enough, is mostly what bounty hunters chase.

I dont have a link yet, but just saw on MSNBC that Doug "DOG" Chapmann and two of his guys were arrested today by US Marshals for kidnapping, in Mexico, three years ago when he brought that scumbag rapist back to the US.
I'm wondering why this is an issue-why does he need to be arrested?

FREE THE DOG!!!

He went bounty hunting in Mexico where it is illegal.

As long as Mexico makes itself the refuge of choice for murderers fleeing the US, they should expect bounty hunters to do what they refuse to do themselves.

Props to Dog for bringing that scumbag back where he belongs.

And as for Mexico's attempt to meddle in US law by imposing its opposition to capital punishment on the extradition process and thus protecting murderers who reach its territory: :upyours:

As long as Mexico makes itself the refuge of choice for murderers fleeing the US, they should expect bounty hunters to do what they refuse to do themselves.

Props to Dog for bringing that scumbag back where he belongs.

And as for Mexico's attempt to meddle in US law by imposing its opposition to capital punishment on the extradition process and thus protecting murderers who reach its territory: :upyours:

Lots of places wont extradite people accused of capital crimes in the US including Canada. I wouldnt call it meddling so much as choice. That is entirely beside the point. The scumbag Dog brought back was a rapist not a murderer.

Mexico has extradition treaties with the US. That is how Luster was sent back to the US after he was captured by Dog. However Mexican law does not allow civilian foreigners to wander around Mexico capturing people and holding them. The especially frown upon them doing this without contacting any authorities. I would hope and assume that the US feels the same way about foreign civilians wandering around the US capturing and holding peple without even contacting US authorities.

Dog is not as stupid as he looks. He knew it was illegal for him to capture Luster in Mexico, and he knew if he called the Mexican police to capture Luster then they get the bounty. He took al chance and intentionally broke the law in order to make an enormous profit. He got caught. He was arrested and bailed out of jail then he absconded. The Mexicans went by the law and extradition treaties between the two countries and had the US authorities arrest Dog in a legal fashion and will extradite him in a legal fashion to face his charges instead of continuing to run from them.

Too bad a Mexican bounty hunter didn't catch him and drag him back to Mexico... :D