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i am truly sorry for the tragic events that occured today...to all people that are human,and especially any one from canada..you have my prayers and deepest condolences.
it is/was a despicable act...and for the families...all i can offer is my prayers.

if you dont believe in god..then take comfort that your loved ones are in a better place.

Ok, this is probably going to sound ignorant, but what happened?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/13/montreal.shooting/index.html

just found out myself

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/13/montreal.shooting/index.html

just found out myself

Oh, ok I remember now briefly hearing about a shootout in Canada at some point today, must have just missed it when I turned NPR on. Its a shame what people do sometimes.:(

Yeah, its a shame and all that, but... damn, there's something about young grief-strucken women (http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/americas/09/13/montreal.shooting/story.comfort.ap.jpg) that just turns me on.

Yeah, its a shame and all that, but... damn, there's something about young grief-strucken women (http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/americas/09/13/montreal.shooting/story.comfort.ap.jpg) that just turns me on.

Thats not really funny.

Yeah, its a shame and all that, but... damn, there's something about young grief-strucken women (http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/americas/09/13/montreal.shooting/story.comfort.ap.jpg) that just turns me on.
:D You're my kind of scum.

But seriously, yeah this sucks. I wonder if the gunman was Canadian.

What did we lose? I mean DiPietro was alright, but there are other fish in the sea.

What did we lose? I mean DiPietro was alright, but there are other fish in the sea.
:eek:

:eek:
What Canadians heard. (http://www.cbc.ca/story/sports/national/2006/09/12/dipietro-contract.html)

What did we lose? I mean DiPietro was alright, but there are other fish in the sea.

I was surprised at first that the thread was to canadians and not Quebecois of Montreals, but it was fair enough... but ... the whole world has heard about this, no?

Anyway, this has to do with the school shooting, here in Montreal, at Dawson College. It's oddly reminiscent of Columbine, but thank G_d there were fewer fatalities and injuries.

I was surprised at first that the thread was to canadians and not Quebecois of Montreals, but it was fair enough... but ... the whole world has heard about this, no?

Anyway, this has to do with the school shooting, here in Montreal, at Dawson College. It's oddly reminiscent of Columbine, but thank G_d there were fewer fatalities and injuries.
Fuck the Quebequois!

They think they are so special because English is not their first language. Should send them to Vancouver so they can gain some fucking perspective.

I was surprised at first that the thread was to canadians and not Quebecois of Montreals, but it was fair enough... but ... the whole world has heard about this, no?

Anyway, this has to do with the school shooting, here in Montreal, at Dawson College. It's oddly reminiscent of Columbine, but thank G_d there were fewer fatalities and injuries.

again my deepest sorrow for all who lost loved ones...

arent canadians canadians?

forgive my ignorance

Yeah, its a shame and all that, but... damn, there's something about young grief-strucken women (http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/americas/09/13/montreal.shooting/story.comfort.ap.jpg) that just turns me on.

i will bite my tongue....hope to meet your tough ass in an alley..jerk

again my deepest sorrow for all who lost loved ones...

arent canadians canadians?

forgive my ignorance
They Quebequois are Canadians that think they are special because they are French.

Fuck the Quebequois!

They think they are so special because English is not their first language. Should send them to Vancouver so they can gain some fucking perspective.

how about we send you to camden n.j. and see how callous you are.....you will cry for mommy in a minute...your a dick...making light of people being shot..you should be ashamed...or better yet...come visit me..lol...you will cry like a bitch.

to make a pathetic point at others misery is pathetic..so i again..invite you down to camden...see how callous and tough you really are.

To be serious fol hopefully an entire post. It wasn't till NS that I actually heard about this. I've spent much of the day doing errands in the car, but this story never hit the radio. Rather odd.

again my deepest sorrow for all who lost loved ones...

arent canadians canadians?

forgive my ignorance

Canadiens are Canadiens, but the type of 'college' in question exists only in Quebec, so the students are %100 Quebecois, and as this isn't usually the level of school one travells far for, the students are almost completely Montrealer.

Like I said, Your message to Canadiens was fair enough, I just found it odd.

how about we send you to camden n.j. and see how callous you are.....you will cry for mommy in a minute...your a dick...making light of people being shot..you should be ashamed...or better yet...come visit me..lol...you will cry like a bitch.

to make a pathetic point at others misery is pathetic..so i again..invite you down to camden...see how callous and tough you really are.

While I'm with you that that poster is a dick, I think you fail to understand what was said... There is a language debate going on in Canada... his comment had nothing to do with the students who were shot, it had to do with my even mentioning the province of Quebec.

The poster was being rude and obnoxious, and making more of the language difference then necessary, but was not mocking the shot students.

i will bite my tongue....hope to meet your tough ass in an alley..jerk

"tough ass?"

Doesn't biting your tongue usually involve being the better man and not responding, certainly not with indulgent fantasies about meeting me in an alley so you can beat me up or whatever?

While I'm with you that that poster is a dick, I think you fail to understand what was said... There is a language debate going on in Canada... his comment had nothing to do with the students who were shot, it had to do with my even mentioning the province of Quebec.

The poster was being rude and obnoxious, and making more of the language difference then necessary, but was not mocking the shot students.
Well they make it out to be such a big idea. I mean, over here in Vancouver the majority of people speak a non-English language. Do we lord it over the rest ofthe country? No.

Stay on topic, stay on topic, stay on topic.

I think it is quite shameful that by five/six pst, this wasn't being talked about on the radio between songs. It is sad that one has to learn of this on the internet.

They Quebequois are Canadians that think they are special because they are French.


oh...you mean snobbish borish twits...yes..now i remember..i was in montreal,remarked at how clean it was...and then was insulted...about being american..funny thing is,i am irish and italian...

watch scarface.."you point you crooked finger at me and say..there's the bad guy"

lol

but to see fellow canadians being flippant really takes me aback..i thought all you "canucks" were a big happy family?

if not..why dont the snobby french that hate being canadian go the hell home to france/germany...whoever they surrendered too...just kidding.

oh...you mean snobbish borish twits...yes..now i remember..i was in montreal,remarked at how clean it was...and then was insulted...about being american..funny thing is,i am irish and italian...

watch scarface.."you point you crooked finger at me and say..there's the bad guy"

lol

but to see fellow canadians being flippant really takes me aback..i thought all you "canucks" were a big happy family?

if not..why dont the snobby french that hate being canadian go the hell home to france/germany...whoever they surrendered too...just kidding.
Quebec is too rich for us to let them go. Don't tell them that, they are sure they are the poorest province in Canada.

Quebec is too rich for us to let them go. Don't tell them that, they are sure they are the poorest province in Canada.

damn..i give up..you canadians...french.....quebeckers? have finally fooled me..i give up.
let alone the petty differences you have..i cant fathom who is who.

While I'm with you that that poster is a dick, I think you fail to understand what was said... There is a language debate going on in Canada... his comment had nothing to do with the students who were shot, it had to do with my even mentioning the province of Quebec.

The poster was being rude and obnoxious, and making more of the language difference then necessary, but was not mocking the shot students.

i apologise then..i am the penultimate ugly american,as i have no clue about canada..other then it is cold up there...you got some pretty girls...you hate guns(dumb),you like hockey and beer(oohrah) and skate to school cause the roads are frozen..lol..
i been to canadia..i liked it up yonder..i thought you all want to have orgies and shit..not discoarse...my bad.

i hope you realise i was being not exactly obtuse...but in a way...confused...i love canada...it's like my big brother...

or little brother..either way..family.

Hey, my dad's friend doesn't have like fifteen guns in his basement to be told he hates guns.

Quebec is too rich for us to let them go. Don't tell them that, they are sure they are the poorest province in Canada.

It's because the Quebecois think that they are still treated as second class citizens (not true since the mid 70's, or early 80's, really) that they want to separate. That's one thing I like about Harper... he really does a lot to show willingness and eagerness to work with Quebec, especially as opposed to Martin, because he seems to understand that the unity debate will vanish if Quebec gets enough of what they want.

BTW - Quebec the province is rich, but the people are not. We get a lot of services, but not enough to justify robbing us of more then %60 of our paychecks.

"What's long and hard on a Canadian?"
-Richard Blue
"The Unity Debate!"
-George Bowser

This is sad...I saw this on TV..

I thought that Canada had stricter gun control laws....is it not so? How easy it is for crazy people to get guns in Canada?

There goes firearm ownership freedoms and in Canada. Say hello to massive censorship

"Oh Noes Letting Our Childern Watch Action Movies And Play GTA Is Turning Them Into School Gunmen!"
(*Moral Panic*)

oh...you mean snobbish borish twits...yes..now i remember..i was in montreal,remarked at how clean it was...and then was insulted...about being american..funny thing is,i am irish and italian...

watch scarface.."you point you crooked finger at me and say..there's the bad guy"

lol

but to see fellow canadians being flippant really takes me aback..i thought all you "canucks" were a big happy family?

if not..why dont the snobby french that hate being canadian go the hell home to france/germany...whoever they surrendered too...just kidding.

So yer a European then? Not American? Or are you ashamed of being American? Are you not proud of being American? Proud enough to say...for example?

'Hail and well met Quebecian faux French cheese eating surrender monkeys! I am AJ and I am an American! I am proud of being american and if you insult me again I will force feed you processed cheese, dodgy fatburgers and pigswill for beer!'

Of course you didn't. You did what most loud mouthed cowards do...hide your shame.

:headbang:

This is sad...I saw this on TV..

I thought that Canada had stricter gun control laws....is it not so? How easy it is for crazy people to get guns in Canada?

its just a trip over the border and voila!

I wonder if the gunman was Canadian.

According to the report I heard, he was "European". I think what they meant was he was caucasian.

i apologise then..i am the penultimate ugly american,as i have no clue about canada..other then it is cold up there...you got some pretty girls...you hate guns(dumb),you like hockey and beer(oohrah) and skate to school cause the roads are frozen..lol..
i been to canadia..i liked it up yonder..i thought you all want to have orgies and shit..not discoarse...my bad.

i hope you realise i was being not exactly obtuse...but in a way...confused...i love canada...it's like my big brother...

or little brother..either way..family.

Bugger....teaches me right for not reading the thread all the way through...

My rant earlier was uncalled for .... apologies.

Fuck the Quebequois!

They think they are so special because English is not their first language. Should send them to Vancouver so they can gain some fucking perspective.

If it somehow changes your perspective, the shootings happened at an English language school.

I guess these wackos go to a school to get their fun because they know most the victims won't be armed or fight back.

Fuck the Quebequois!

They think they are so special because English is not their first language. Should send them to Vancouver so they can gain some fucking perspective.
Making this a political/language issue looks bad on you. This is a tragedy and applying your own personal agenda makes you look really small.

Thanks Secret aj man for your concern!! :)

Yeah, its a shame and all that, but... damn, there's something about young grief-strucken women (http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/americas/09/13/montreal.shooting/story.comfort.ap.jpg) that just turns me on.

Is it just me or does the one on the far left seem amused.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/09/14/gunman-shooting.html

Here is the guy who did it.

i will bite my tongue....hope to meet your tough ass in an alley..jerk
oh pull the stick out your ass buddy. That was funny, especially cause its true. Those chicks are hot. They could run from school shooting any day of the week bouncy, bouncy, bouncy....

The shooter also had an online journal at vampirefreaks.com under the name of 'Trench'. This journal and persona have since been deleted by the site admin.

I got to hand it to you guys; the lot of you are twisted mother fuckers!

Seriously.

The people who think this is a tragedy are faulting everyone who isn't as solemn as they are, which just makes it come across as pretentious and half-hearted and disingenuous. Almost like your sympathy is just so they can say "Hey everyone, look at me! My heart it bleeds! I am 4 teh win cause people died!"

The fucking Canadians, the "tolerant" and "accepting" Canadians. The punks that accuse Americans of being bigots but given the chance your bullshit territorial pissing contest means more then the aforementioned supposed "tragedy."

I don't think I even have to mention the comment on the "grieving females." Jesus Christ!

And the media? Seriously... I mean for fuck's sake I've seen the words "trench coat" a 30 times this morning! What the fuck is up with that? The guy is carrying three guns, what do you THINK he's going to wear!?!

Meh.

Am I going to get upset over this? No... Am I going to grieve? No... Is my day going to be any different having heard about this? No... It makes no difference to me then any other "tragedy" that happens somewhere in the world that no one hears about. I'm not going to say "Boo hoo, someone died, thousands of people die everyday in Africa. Suck it up." Or some useless shit like that. But I WILL say that this puts things into perspective...

We are so incredibly removed from even the slightest glimpse of hardship, strife, or loss. We live in a world if unremarkable mediocrity and the closest we ever come to anything resembling strife is your fucking computer desk. We read about other people's suffering. We never have the chance to experience it, relate to it, or even genuinely sympathize with it.

If you were there in class, if you felt that sick feeling in your stomach and pallid chill of terror that comes with gunfire and panic, if you saw the blood soaked bodies and heard their anguished screams, if you actually feared for your own life, THEN you could relate! "We only pity in others the evils we ourselves endure." If you were there and you survive THEN you could truly pity those that didn't. If you knew or loved someone that actually suffers because of this THEN you could sympathize.

If you are like me and the closest you'll ever come to any of this is your PC monitor, then this is no better or worse then anyone else who dies around the world that you never hear about.

Don't pretend that you give a shit about this anymore then you do the shit that never enters your mind. HOWEVER, if you really want to give this any consideration, just try to put it in perspective. Think about how rarely this actually happens... "This is not the first shooting at a Montreal college. About 17 years ago..." There you go, twice in 17 years. Because something happened this day that didn't happen some 6200 days between, all those days are meaningless and this one is significant. The thing is, a lot of worse shit happened elsewhere in those 17 years that you don't a bakers fuck about.

So why are you being a bunch of assholes now? You can't change it, you have no control over what happened, you have no contact or relation with what did happen... Why bother?

And with that, I am going to leave you with my own little contribution to your demented commentary.

What the fuck is wrong with you Canadians? Three guns? An assault rifle, a shotgun and a pistol? How the fuck could this dumbass only kill ONE person!?! Angel of Death my ass... Fucking incompetent schmuck. If the stupid bugger wanted to go through all this trouble just to kill one person he should have just took a hike and shot himself someplace quiet. :rolleyes:

The shooter also had an online journal at vampirefreaks.com under the name of 'Trench'. This journal and persona have since been deleted by the site admin.

Just goes to show you what an unchanneled nutcase can do.

Canada's worst mass shooting took place in Montreal when gunman Marc Lepine, 25, killed 14 women at the Ecole Polytechnic on Dec. 6, 1989, before shooting himself.

Once again, a nutcase.

It's tragic, to be sure. But in this world, there are many unchanneled nutcases.

If you ever find yourself in a situation where you're confronted by an armed nutcase, and you don't have a weapon, and you are too close to him to be able to run away, you have nothing to lose by attacking him. He's going to try to kill you anyway.

http://timlambert.org/guns/appalachian/nd/tackle/index.html

As in another school shooting:

Ted Besen glares over the crumbs of his sandwich, still angry about the former classmate who police say killed his school’s dean, a professor and another student in a shooting that shattered the peace of this tiny coal town.

“You just feel violated somehow,” Besen, 37, said Tuesday at a restaurant near the Appalachian School of Law. The former Marine and police officer was one of several students who charged Peter Odighizuwa, tackling him on the school’s front lawn, after the shootings last week.

We are so incredibly removed from even the slightest glimpse of hardship, strife, or loss. We live in a world if unremarkable mediocrity and the closest we ever come to anything resembling strife is your fucking computer desk. We read about other people's suffering. We never have the chance to experience it, relate to it, or even genuinely sympathize with it.

Speak for your self sweet cheeks. You have no idea what some on this board have been through.

*snips the rest of his pointless and misdirected rant*

While you may be incapable of feeling it, there is an emotion called empathy that many *ARE* capable of feeling. It's a pitty you don't have it. Not having it will make functioning in life much more difficult for you.

Or perhaps you are just bitter that your own personal tragedies haven't been as acknowloged by others as you'd like them to be, and you're lashing out at those who have been. Who knows. Either way, you might want to consider therapy.

A tragedy occurred in Montreal and innocent people got hurt/killed. Its disgusting to see such immature posts on this thread.

A tragedy occurred in Montreal and innocent people got hurt/killed. Its disgusting to see such immature posts on this thread.

I know right. People are such assholes, Christ

*snip*
The only person who has the balls to speak the truth about this. heres a cookie.

This happened yesterday, not today. And the shooter was just some local crank - nothing more. Tragic, yes. International incident, no.

What this serves to underscore, yet again (and how many times does this shit need to happen before those dufus farmhand MPs from out in redneck prairie-land finally wrap their atrophied braincases around this, btw?) is the burning need for much, much stricter gun laws for our urban centres.

Apparently the shooter killed by police had a blog. That he liked to play an internet game called "Super Columbine Massacre" and posted many photos with him with a weapon and wearing a black trench coat. Sick, but not really a surprise but it seems the media is suggesting the police should be some omnipotent people who can somehow know about this blog and stop the shooting from happening. Pathetic.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14818183/

Wait. Were there fatalities or not?

A tragedy occurred in Montreal and innocent people got hurt/killed. Its disgusting to see such immature posts on this thread.

And people deal with tragedy in different ways. Personally I find humour keeps my head screwed on tight when presented with the dark side of humanity and I had a good hearty chuckle about the hot grieving girls post. Does this mean I don't feel sypathy towards those directly impacted by this shooting? Of course not, I just like to be able to find the humour in any situation and that is how I deal with things whether a news story from Canada or something that is happening in my real life.

It is a lack of understanding of the diverse nature of peoples coping mechanisms that makes me wonder whether you should be looking at your own level of maturity rather than casting aspersions on the maturity of others.

Thank you to those who expressed sympathies. It's recomforting to some of us. And that's coming from someone who was anxiously waiting for a phone call or e-mail from a friend at Dawson.

Let me assure Republica de Tropico that if he were here, he didn't need to be looking for grieving women to find this kind of hot action. They are everywhere here. (and in plenty of other places, I might add)

To those who see this as a quebecois/canadian divide: holy misplaced anger, Batman. You're just as worse as those angry about the press conferences made mostly in french. It was a tragic event made by someone who has clearly issues. It's NOT a languge issue for once.

I agree with the guy wondering why only two casualties. This young man could have done much more dammage. Goes to show our poor level of gun education, I guess. Or our great "duck and cover" abilities. Pick your pick.

In the grand scheme of things, it is a minor event. I'll grant you that. But it happened in Montreal where the crime rate has just had a hike of 10% with this one incident. We don't have shootings like that. THAT's what make it news.

Also, I blame the internet for worldwide coverage. If it wasn't for these kind of forums, it would have been a five line news item in the page 21 of your local newspaper unless you were living in Canada (fron page, 15 pages special in ALL the major newspapers) or the US (closer to page 2 or page one if some similas shooting occured near).

Let me assure Republica de Tropico that if he were here, he didn't need to be looking for grieving women to find this kind of hot action. They are everywhere here. (and in plenty of other places, I might add)

Thanks, good to know. :)

I had a good hearty chuckle about the hot grieving girls post. Does this mean I don't feel sypathy towards those directly impacted by this shooting? Of course not,

Oh, same here. I feel sympathy for them... its just not mutually exclusive to wanting to take advantage of them!

That was funny, especially cause its true. Those chicks are hot.

I like the middle one, the others not so much. But she is covering a good portion of her face so perhaps its the mystery of the unknown that attracts me.

Speak for your self sweet cheeks. You have no idea what some on this board have been through.

Are you kidding me? Are you actually trying to longdick me with your sob story? You should start a little Assholes Annonymous group therepy gig here! :rolleyes:

While you may be incapable of feeling it, there is an emotion called empathy that many *ARE* capable of feeling. It's a pitty you don't have it. Not having it will make functioning in life much more difficult for you.

Or perhaps you are just bitter that your own personal tragedies haven't been as acknowloged by others as you'd like them to be, and you're lashing out at those who have been. Who knows. Either way, you might want to consider therapy.

"Empathy." That is terribly ironic for me, but more in the inside joke kind of way with me, myself and I so I won't bother with it. Regardless, empathy is a personal emotion. If you are claiming that you feel it everytime you read the countless stories online about someone dying then your claim is suspect. My point stands; reading a news bulletin or watching something on TV is the closest we get to the reality of the situation. 150,000 people die every day; it's about an average of 1.8 people every second. If you expect me to believe that you actually empathize with them, I'm afraid you'll have to get in line beyind the tooth fairy that wants to blow me.

Apparently the shooter killed by police had a blog. That he liked to play an internet game called "Super Columbine Massacre" and posted many photos with him with a weapon and wearing a black trench coat. Sick, but not really a surprise but it seems the media is suggesting the police should be some omnipotent people who can somehow know about this blog and stop the shooting from happening. Pathetic.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14818183/

That is known as hindsight bias, the tendency to view something as obvious or inevitable after its already happened. It is also known as the I-knew-it-all-along effect.

Kimveer Gill, Wherever you are now, I hope you read this:

You were a dork. You're still a dork. Going down in a hail of gunfire didn't make you cool. It didn't make you 'somebody'. My only regret is that you're dead. Prison would have loved you.

Kimveer Gill,

hmmm...name indicates Punjabi - most probably Sikh.

hmmm...name indicates Punjabi - most probably Sikh.

By the photos in the articles, he is obviously not a practicing Sikh.

By the photos in the articles, he is obviously not a practicing Sikh.

He isn't even a practicing human. :p

Especially now. :D

hmmm...name indicates Punjabi - most probably Sikh.
Of Indian parents. Born and raised in Quebec City. Moved to Montreal to further studies. Went wacko.

NOTHING of his action could have been attributed to his Indian roots. Like nothing could have been attributed to his language of choice. Based on his writings online, he was a Goth-wannabe with too much adolescent rage. He was sick of the Jocks, for crying out loud. If that doesn't smack of teenage angst, I don't know what is.

Maybe too much narcotics, though. Hw was under the impression that his house was under surveillance ever since a dream told him. :rolleyes:

So ... be honest ... how many of you were praying and begging and hoping the shooter would be Muslim?

I actually expected caucasian.

So ... be honest ... how many of you were praying and begging and hoping the shooter would be Muslim?

I wasn't. Actually, I'm still a little puzzled why every news article about this insists on pointing out that he wore a black trench coat at least half a' dozen times each... I can't wait for everyone to start getting paranoid about Goths now.

I wasn't. Actually, I'm still a little puzzled why every news article about this insists on pointing out that he wore a black trench coat at least half a' dozen times each... I can't wait for everyone to start getting paranoid about Goths now.

ANd video games, and the internet, and music, and anything else they can blame this on.

As a Montrealer and a former student of this college, I would have to say that neither the shooter's race nor religious heritage is being considered a factor in the shooting, nor should it be.

ANd video games, and the internet, and music, and anything else they can blame this on.

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?

They think they are so special because English is not their first language. Should send them to Vancouver so they can gain some fucking perspective.
It is more than a language issue, but this is not the time or place for this debate.

As a Montrealer and a former student of this college, I would have to say that neither the shooter's race nor religious heritage is being considered a factor in the shooting, nor should it be. Hear, hear.

Hear, hear.

No, he's just another nutcase.

No, he's just another nutcase.

Precisely. All things considered, it's practically a mathematical certainty that this will happen somewhere eventually. You can bicker all you like about language, nationality, religion, socio-economic relation to crime, gun control, etc, etc... You still can't account for the inevitability of one nutcase.

So ... be honest ... how many of you were praying and begging and hoping the shooter would be Muslim?

The first news item I read yesterday made sure to say, "The police don't believe it has any links to terrorism." I thought it rather ridiculous.