NationStates Jolt Archive

Who were your top 3 favorite US presidents (poll coming)?

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and John Tyler

The current president ranks down there with Lincoln, (Andrew) Johnson, Hayes, and FDR.

JFK had charisma, courage but also diplomatic finess. George Washington and Abraham Lincoln were selfless leaders who began with a dream, a free nation and a united nation, respectively.

Which asshole voted for Bush and Reagan?

Oh yeah: Thomas Jefferson, Jimmy Carter and FDR.

Which asshole voted for Bush and Reagan?

Perhaps someone that liked Reagan and one of the Bushs?

Reagan, George Washington, and Teddy Roosevelt!

wow, its really hard to choose (because i dont really care for any of them) but i would have to say lincoln, lbj, and maybe fdr, although i really dont like him.

McKean, Boudinot and Hanson: it has been downhill from there, with the noticeable exception of Harrison.

Wasn't Reagan like on really friendly terms with Pinochet?

Anyone supporting that bastard is no better than the likes of Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy

Fucking lunatics.

Begoner21;11678063']Who were your top 3 favorite US presidents (poll coming)?

You don't have Teddy Roosevelt... :(

Dude, it's not nice to compare half of the United States to Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy.

You don't have Teddy Roosevelt... :(

TR was the original American Imperialist.

Which asshole voted for Bush and Reagan?

i agree about bush being bad butt whats so bad about reagan?

JFK had charisma, courage but also diplomatic finess. George Washington and Abraham Lincoln were selfless leaders who began with a dream, a free nation and a united nation, respectively.

Yeah..... They just don't make presidents like those any more...

McKean, Boudinot and Hanson: it has been downhill from there, with the noticeable exception of Harrison.

what do you have against huntington?

Dude, it's not nice to compare half of the United States to Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy.

Why not? That's how democracy works. You vote a lunatic into office that actively supports oppressive regimes which kill people for their political views, you're partly responsible for those deaths as well. If you don't want that, don't vote.

i agree about bush being bad butt whats so bad about reagan?

Ever see this (http://momentin.com/images/chap06/095_Reagan_star_wars.JPG)?

what do you have against huntington?

The fact that he was never officially referred to as 'President of the United States', that's what.

Ever see this (http://momentin.com/images/chap06/095_Reagan_star_wars.JPG)?

I actually thought that was pretty cool. Hey you got to admit that the guy was fun, even into his memory fading years!

"Reagan Smash, Reagan Smash!"

Why not? That's how democracy works. You vote a lunatic into office that actively supports oppressive regimes which kill people for their political views, you're partly responsible for those deaths as well. If you don't want that, don't vote.

That's pretty screwy.

im kind of surprised that jfk is doing so well. i was under the impression that all he did was fail domestically, almost cause the end of the world, and die (thankfully).
is that too harsh?

Lincoln, FDR and Carter. I'm not a US citizen but thats my opinion.

Which asshole voted for Bush and Reagan?

So who did you vote for?

Anyways, my vote is only for two Presidents. Washington and Jefferson. None of the others rate.

Oh, and Wilson does not deserve to be in this list. Not only did he get the U.S. into a war in which we had no business being in, he was a complete and utter racist.

The fact that he was never officially referred to as 'President of the United States', that's what.

wasn't he? i thought he got to keep the office after the title change for a couple months.

I actually thought that was pretty cool. Hey you got to admit that the guy was fun, even into his memory fading years!

"Reagan Smash, Reagan Smash!"

Actually, I was born in Reagan's last months in office, so I couldn't hear about it. I could only learn about him and realise how close we came to this (http://www.lakerscoop.com/ronald-reagan-lord-of-rings.jpeg).

wasn't he? i thought he got to keep the office after the title change for a couple months.

IIRC from the last time this came up here he was always refered to as 'The President Of The United States In Congress Assembled' or something, whereas they shortened it for the next incumbent.

So who did you vote for?

Anyways, my vote is only for two Presidents. Washington and Jefferson. None of the others rate.

Well, for some obscure reason Jefferson is not on the list.

So, i voted Carter, FDR and Wilson instead. (otherwise i would've voted Carter, FDR and Jefferson)

JFK- wasnt reall that great of a man mostly famous for getting shot and probably in the top ten most known

Lincoln - kind of a looney guy. most people call him "great" for him freeing the slaves. but if you studied a little bit of real history on him you would know the truth about him. also famous for getting shot as well as freeing slaves

George Washington - gets props for being one of many that founded this country

Reagon - often nicknamed Raygun for his stories to the communist about the type of weaponry we had (actually worked to) credited for the downfall of the soviet union (you decide if that was good or bad)

JImmy Carter- ... ... peanut farmer turned politician with lots of charisma

Clinton - same as carter minus peanut farmer

Needs more Jefferson.
But from those on that list, Eisenhower sure makes it.

IIRC from the last time this came up here he was always refered to as 'The President Of The United States In Congress Assembled' or something, whereas they shortened it for the next incumbent.

ah, i can see that happening. poor guy had the office before we usians had picked up the habit of nicknaming everything. he might have wound up the potusca.


so, any guesses about how many people here even know what we're talking about?

Needs more Jefferson.

and cowbell

JFK- wasnt reall that great of a man mostly famous for getting shot and probably in the top ten most known

JFK was one of the best leaders in the history of the US. His charisma was one of the only reasons the US continued with the "Space Race" with the Soviets.

The current president ranks down there with Lincoln, (Andrew) Johnson, Hayes, and FDR.
How can you list FDR and Lincoln as failures? Look at the wars they won!

I actually thought that was pretty cool. Hey you got to admit that the guy was fun, even into his memory fading years!

"Reagan Smash, Reagan Smash!"
It's no joke. Not to people like Fr Oscar Romero.

How can you list FDR and Lincoln as failures? Look at the wars they won!


They were both good leaders. I just don't like their politics.

JFK was one of the best leaders in the history of the US. His charisma was one of the only reasons the US continued with the "Space Race" with the Soviets.
Thing is that, how strong was his PR group? I mean, the Bay of Pigs was a pretty big fiasco where that was concerned.

You don't have Teddy Roosevelt... :(

I was trying to decide between him and Carter -- I eventually went with Carter because he was more recent. Sorry.

im kind of surprised that jfk is doing so well. i was under the impression that all he did was fail domestically, almost cause the end of the world, and die (thankfully).
is that too harsh?

The fact that he didn't cause the end of the world when it would have been easy to is a point in his favour.

They were both good leaders. I just don't like their politics.
Not saying they were flawless, but what was wrong? They both made America better.

Not saying they were flawless, but what was wrong? They both made America better.

I disagree. Both Lincoln and FDR exponentially increased the power of the Federal government. And I think thats bad.

President William McKinley!

We have the same last name ;)

President William McKinley!

We have the same last name ;)

ha ha

im this much closer to finding out your true identity

i know who you are batman.... i mean Vesperia Prime

I disagree. Both Lincoln and FDR exponentially increased the power of the Federal government. And I think thats bad.
There was a reason why, it was the weakness of federal government before their tenures that led to the problems they solved.

ha ha

im this much closer to finding out your true identity

i know who you are batman.... i mean Vesperia Prime
*disappears*

Is he... is he gone now?

You don't have Polk....

Where's Truman?
And which idiot picked Carter?

Where's Truman?
And which idiot picked Carter?
Me.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Tyler, and Grover Cleveland were the only good Presidents.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Tyler, and Grover Cleveland were the only good Presidents.
:( So you're telling me William McKinley was a bad president?

:( So you're telling me William McKinley was a bad president?

Yes. He was a warmongering imperialist.

I don't think even the most staunch conservative would ever include this president in this poll.

Dwight
FDR
Lincoln

Yes. He was a warmongering imperialist.
Darn, that sucks.

There was a reason why, it was the weakness of federal government before their tenures that led to the problems they solved.

I disagree. In Lincoln's case, Fedgov was plenty powerful to prevent the civil war. The congressmen simply lacked the will to adress the problems before the civil war.

As far as FDR goes, his "New Deal" did not resolve the Great Depression. Only mass government spending due to WWII did.

As far as FDR goes, his "New Deal" did not resolve the Great Depression. Only mass government spending due to WWII did.
And who did that? FDR, that's who.

And who did that? FDR, that's who.

Hitler and Tojo did that.

1) John F. Kennedy
2) Franklin D. Roosevelt
3) Harry S. Truman (why isn't he on the list?)

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and John Tyler

The current president ranks down there with Lincoln, (Andrew) Johnson, Hayes, and FDR.

Rutherford B. Hayes shout-out!! WOOT!!!

Begoner21;11678063']Who were your top 3 favorite US presidents (poll coming)?
I cannot fathom why you would even put George Bush (The Lesser) on the short list. If anything, he would be among the worst Presidents.

Truman!!
Why isn't he on the list?

The 3 best were Reagan(enough said), JFK(prevented nuclear winter), and Lincoln(kept the union together).
The worst were FDR(commie bastard), Carter(liberal pussy who didnt stand up to Iran), and current bush(enough said).

Truman!!
Why isn't he on the list?

The President with the lowest approval ratings in the history of the United States Presidency? (23%)

I also see the myth of Camelot is still alive and well.

The President with the lowest approval ratings in the history of the United States Presidency? (23%)

I also see the myth of Camelot is still alive and well.

So? He was probably the best in the long run. He was definitley one of the most influential. The people may not have liked him, but he set us up for sucess in the Cold War. Partially because he started it. And Bush will soon be lower, but he's on the poll. And what do you mean by Camelot?

Washington, Lincoln, Wilson, Reagan and Clinton.

Where's Truman?
And which idiot picked Carter?

I'm not a Truman fan, he got it because the other guy was tired of being Veep. :D

I do agree on Carter: he was to the Presidency what Taco Bell is to your bowel movement: unsure of itself and messy.

The rest of the poll is okay, but Jefferson is sorely missing, as is TR.

So? He was probably the best in the long run. He was definitley one of the most influential. The people may not have liked him, but he set us up for sucess in the Cold War. Partially because he started it. And Bush will soon be lower, but he's on the poll. And what do you mean by Camelot?

Harry Truman presided over the beginning of the Cold War, and the Cold War Consensus is generally accredited to his the agreements he hammered out with Republican Senator Vandenburg.

I wish Truman was on this poll.

Harry Truman presided over the beginning of the Cold War

That's a matter of opinion. Some would say the Cold War started back at Yalta, but whatever.

That's a matter of opinion. Some would say the Cold War started back at Yalta, but whatever.

Certainly many of the animosities were born at Yalta, but open hostility had not yet taken form, and generally the populace of the US had positive attitude towards the Russians at that point.

That's a matter of opinion. Some would say the Cold War started back at Yalta, but whatever.

I would disagree, it started after the war, just my opinion.

Best at what?

Teddy Roosevelt
Dwight Eisenhower
Thomas Jefferson

Yeah..... They just don't make presidents like those any more...

Interestingly enough, two out of those three presidents whose achievements you were praising (JFK, Washington, and Lincoln) were assassinated.

Not sure what that means exactly, but there it is.

I chose Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Carter, but to me this is like "pick the three piles of feces that you would most like to smell."

Eisenhower, if only because of “the military industrial complex.” That a sitting president would sat that, amazes me.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and John Tyler

The current president ranks down there with Lincoln, (Andrew) Johnson, Hayes, and FDR.

Hey, you stole all of my answers. Even as to the reasons why.

FDR, Wilson, and Lincoln.

I like some of what FDR did, don't like others internment camps dissmisal of racial issues.

Wilson had some good ideas its a shame none of them worked out, but since this is about ones we could like not judge by effectivness.

Lincoln managed to keep the country together so I guess this is a bit of a backtrack from my previous satement of not judging on "greatness" but oh well.

Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, and Herbert Hoover

This poll sucks. Any "Best President" poll that doesn't give Coolidge as a choice fails.

Interestingly enough, two out of those three presidents whose achievements you were praising (JFK, Washington, and Lincoln) were assassinated.

Not sure what that means exactly, but there it is.
It means that if you get your worthless ass shot while holding the highest rank in the land, people will create this bizarre and wholly undeserved legend about your greatness.

And that poll sucks:
JFK's greatest accomplishments were getting a high speed lobotomy and very nearly getting the whole world blown to Hell because of his repeated mishandling of Cuba.
FDR and Lincoln aggressively expanded the Federal government, expanded Presidential power, and practically wiped their asses with the Constitution. All the while, the bungled their way through ridiculously one-sided wars.
Hell, none of these three even managed to survive to the end of their terms of office.

Now, Taft, on the other hand, there was a real President. Where others recklessly expanded their power, Taft settled for recklessly expanding. A move that made him drastically ahead of his time.

All the while, the bungled their way through ridiculously one-sided wars.
I can't stand how most people miss that. There was no doubt in any reasonable person's mind, nor should there have been, that the North would trounce the South and that the Allies would eventually crush the Axis.

Perceived difficulties in those wars are due, almost without exception, to the incompetence of those in charge, not to any actual challenge presented by an even more incompetent and economically inferior foe.

My opinions fwiw


George Bush - Don't even want to comment
William Clinton - Not great, not terrible at best
Ronald Reagan - Ok the first six years Not too bad for the last two
Jimmy Carter - Could have done more if he had not had congress against him
John F Kennedy - Well he got shot so he must have had someone thinking he was either real good (or bad for the country)
Dwight Eisenhower - A retired general, bad idea
Franklin D. Roosevelt - Some complain he was racist, at the time so were most of his comtemparies. (Thanks to him we have term limits on the president now if we could get them on congress)
Woodrow Wilson - Can you say income tax and the draft
Abraham Lincoln - Freed the slaves , right if they were from the southern states and over 21 however if they were from any of the union states or under 21 they were not set free, and when you complain about bush2 and the constitution Lincon basicaly suspended it , declaring martial law, suspending habeas corpus, ordering the arrest of 18,000 opponents including public officials and newspaper publishers
George Washington - Did ok at least he didn't want to be king (as some expected)