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Some fuckhead decided to ram his car into a women's clinic in Iowa and then set it on fire. Personally I think this should be treated as terrorism. What do you guys think?

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-37/1158074946243690.xml&storylist=newsmichigan

Some fuckhead decided to ram his car into a women's clinic in Iowa and then set it on fire. Personally I think this should be treated as terrorism. What do you guys think?

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-37/1158074946243690.xml&storylist=newsmichigan

This is an ordinary criminal matter. There is no international movement of women's clinic bombers. Nor is there an international movement one of whose goals is to oppress women generally. Except the one whose members are already at Guantanamo.

Nice try, but it won't wash.

This is an ordinary criminal matter. There is no international movement of women's clinic bombers. Nor is there an international movement one of whose goals is to oppress women generally. Except the one whose members are already at Guantanamo.

Nice try, but it won't wash.

There is a history of Christian extremists bombing abortion clinics and assasinating doctors. It's domestic terrorism.

Some fuckhead decided to ram his car into a women's clinic in Iowa and then set it on fire. Personally I think this should be treated as terrorism. What do you guys think?

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-37/1158074946243690.xml&storylist=newsmichigan

I say give him a fair trial first.

I say give him a fair trial first.

Ok, give him a fair trial, then send him to Guantanamo.

This is an ordinary criminal matter. There is no international movement of women's clinic bombers. Nor is there an international movement one of whose goals is to oppress women generally. Except the one whose members are already at Guantanamo.

Nice try, but it won't wash.

I disagree, this is a movement using terror to try and achieve their aims. The fact that it is not an international group is entirely irrelevant.

There is a history of Christian extremists bombing abortion clinics and assasinating doctors. It's domestic terrorism.

Yep. Funny thing is that even though he thought it was an abortion clinic, and that's the reason he went after the place, it wasn't one. They didn't do abortions there.

I guess that puts him on about the level of the "terrorists" they arrested here in Miami--not particularly bright at least. This guy wound up being more dangerous, since he actually caused damage.

Guantanamo is wrong regardless of who is put in it. But - for the sake of argument - its not the same, in that the people in Guantanamo are suspects. You'd have to round up groups of christians, torture them for years and the usual, and hope that you got the right one. Course after a few years theres good odds you'll have 10 confess to a one man job.

Yep. Funny thing is that even though he thought it was an abortion clinic, and that's the reason he went after the place, it wasn't one. They didn't do abortions there.

I guess that puts him on about the level of the "terrorists" they arrested here in Miami--not particularly bright at least. This guy wound up being more dangerous, since he actually caused damage.

I have no problem with a fair trial, followed by a first class hanging for this guy.

And anyone else who commits, or conspires to commit, an act like this.

I don't really care who anyone intended to bomb, or conspired to bomb - if it's not a legal bombing (such as the result of legal military orders), then they should be sent to dance in the air.

send him to Gitmo. use a large catapult.

This is an ordinary criminal matter. There is no international movement of women's clinic bombers. Nor is there an international movement one of whose goals is to oppress women generally. Except the one whose members are already at Guantanamo.

Nice try, but it won't wash.
Anti-terror laws are being used more frequently against ordinary criminals than against terrorists. Kind of like the way the RICO laws ended up being used against anyone and everyone that could be charged under them. Not just the mob figures that they were initially intended to target. Just a couple examples of this entropy of government that we are suffering.

No, this is definitely a terrorist act. It's only in recent years (the last five) that we've started to see imported terrorists do more damage than the domestic flavor.

send him to Gitmo. use a large catapult.
A trebuchet would be better.

A trebuchet would be better.

How about a comically oversized cannon? You've just got to use enough gunpowder to send him all the way to Cuba.

http://i2.tinypic.com/2u43ggp.jpg

Nice try, but it won't wash.

You are quite right, in opposition to the guys in Gitmo there are actual legal grounds to detain and interrogate this fellow.

Send them all to Gitmo!

Send them all to Gitmo!

Trips to guantanamo for everyone!

All this talk about catapults and cannons. You people make me sick! :mad:

If we have to send him to Gitmo, send him by plane. THen toss him out of it. Then toss a parachute. Give him a sporting chance. :)

This is an ordinary criminal matter. There is no international movement of women's clinic bombers. Nor is there an international movement one of whose goals is to oppress women generally. Except the one whose members are already at Guantanamo.

Nice try, but it won't wash.

Worked for McVeigh, didnt it?

No need for a big organisation or international ties to make it terrorism. The guy (it would seem) was commiting a violent and illegal act because of a political opinion. WHich to me is a fairly good definition of terrorism. Consider a disaffected young American man following a twisted version of Islam, that, feeling Jihad is legitimate, independently rigs his car with a bomb and drives into the local barracks. No one would hesitate to call him a terrorist, although the crime is the same.
I'm quite fond of the "hate crime" legislation over here. Looks like a reasonable alternate to terrorism laws, even though we got them too for when the evidence is thin/Bush says so etc. With hate crime, can nail a terrorist and an anti abortion violent guy the same way as a racial killing or a prostitute murderer.

Ok, give him a fair trial, then send him to Guantanamo.

I say we build a jail for all of these people in the Nevada Desert and make themm work 12 hours a day building themselves bunkers for the minimum requirememnts to survive. Do that for 365.26 days a year and you'll be free to go...

Send people there and noone would DREAM of doing that ever again...

Give him a sex change operation, that will fix him.