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Sorry, I wanted a poll, but I didn't put one in the first thread, so I'm starting over. The "real" in the title is in reference to the "thread" not the "elves." I'm sorry to have confused some of you with the placement of that adjective.

Rather than post something worth posting, I decided to be a little frivolous and post something that really isn't going to affect anyone (or really ought not to affect anyone).

So, who's your favorite Elf from the Lord of the Rings, the Silmarillion, or any of Tolkien's other books.

I would go with Galadriel. She's the oldest Elf in Middle-Earth and arguably the wisest, though Tolkien says that others have greater power than she in some areas (Cirdan was more far seeing). And she's hot, even in the books. I would marry her.

Can a mod please ban Edwardis? He accidentally made a thread about *shudder* LOTR...
I shall repeat my request here. :D

I shall repeat my request here. :D

I love you, too.

My favorite elf is the Keebler elf.

My favorite is Dorkgeek of the Nerdylands. When he took over the castle of Dweeb he really helped to save the people of Doofus. :)

Galadriel, absolutely.

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My favorite elf is the Keebler elf.

Did anyone see Lord of the Beans? It was a Veggie Tales spoof of LotR. It had the Keebler elf idea in it.

I love you, too.
:fluffle:

My favorite is Dorkgeek of the Nerdylands. When he took over the castle of Dweeb he really helped to save the people of Doofus.
Have you met him? He's awesome...

:fluffle:

Awww... My first fluffle! I will cherish it forever! :)

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Have you met him? He's awesome...

Yeah, he comes to this forum all the time. :)

I hate elves, orcs are much cooler than elves. :cool:

I hate elves, orcs are much cooler than elves. :cool:

Then post a favorite Orc thread, though that one would be much harder to have a poll for. Or post a thread about whether Elves or Orcs are better in general. My vote would go to the Elves, though.

My favorite elf? Hmmm.... Let me ask my friends! :)

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Elves should stick to what they're good at:

Making shoes, toys and cookies. Elves weren't meant to be sexy, dammit! :mad:

Elves should stick to what they're good at:

Making shoes, toys and cookies. Elves weren't meant to be sexy, dammit! :mad:

Oh, you know how strange fetishes start. I mean Rings of Power and everything. One man's .... somethingorother is another man's poison.

Then post a favorite Orc thread, though that one would be much harder to have a poll for. Or post a thread about whether Elves or Orcs are better in general. My vote would go to the Elves, though.
Is someone who doesn't agree with the OP not allowed to say so? I never knew that, I'll just go and create loads of anti-threads...:rolleyes:

Is someone who doesn't agree with the OP not allowed to say so? I never knew that, I'll just go and create loads of anti-threads...:rolleyes:

That's not what I said. I said that I disagree. And that the thread is geared toward a discussion of favorite Elves. If you would prefer to discuss whether Elves or Orcs are better, create a thread geared to that topic. Don't hijack this one. At least wait a few pages.

Thranduil, because, somehow, in the TV Animated special of The Hobbit, he has (inexplicably enough) a crazy German accent.

That's not what I said. I said that I disagree. And that the thread is geared toward a discussion of favorite Elves. If you would prefer to discuss whether Elves or Orcs are better, create a thread geared to that topic. Don't hijack this one. At least wait a few pages.

Do you realise that objecting about such a silly thing is only encouraging me to hijack your thread? If you didn't quote my on-topic post and start telling me what I should and shouldn't do, then this hijacking wouldn't of happened. Personally I see no problem with mentioning that I dislike elves and prefer orcs on this elf thread. You may not want to hear it, but it is on-topic.

Do you realise that objecting about such a silly thing is only encouraging me to hijack your thread? If you didn't quote my on-topic post and start telling me what I should and shouldn't do, then this hijacking wouldn't of happened. Personally I see no problem with mentioning that I dislike elves and prefer orcs on this elf thread. You may not want to hear it, but it is on-topic.

I didn't say it wasn't on topic. I said that a in depth discussion of that statement would not be. And you are correct, this little debate has hijacked the thread, so let's not continue, unless you feel the need.

Real Elves of Middle Earth Thread

What the hell is a 'real' elf of Middle Earth?

This is yet another example of the man and his elfist media machine trying to keep orcs down! It is 1984 and 1939 all over again!

What the h*** is a 'real' elf of Middle Earth?

The real is referring to the thread. I accidently made a thread without a poll which was titled the Elves of Middle Earth. So to distinguish between the two, I titled this one The Real Elves of Middle Earth Thread. Sorry for the confusion.

I like Legolas. He makes elves hot. ;)

What the hell is a 'real' elf of Middle Earth?

They keeps it real, yo.

I like Legolas. He makes elves hot. ;)
He definitely makes this elf hot! ^^

I like him most, as well as Ecthelion and Galadriel to a lesser extent. Thingol was perhaps my favourite from the Silmarillion. Awesome character. He even used the word "baseborn". XD

Orcs are nothing but elf-fodder. When the Elves were at their prime, the Orcs (nothing more than corrupt elves anyway) lost nearly every single battle to them.

Luthien, though technically she's half-elf and half-Maia. Anyone who can sing Morgoth to sleep gets my vote any day. Not to mention getting her boyfriend resurrected.

My favorite elf is the Keebler elf.

I have a friend named Keebler, she looks like a fat elf.

Ummmm ... "Real" elves? Seek help.

I like him most, as well as Ecthelion and Galadriel to a lesser extent. Thingol was perhaps my favourite from the Silmarillion. Awesome character. He even used the word "baseborn". XD

Thingol was an egotistical fool...

My favorite elf is probably a toss-up between Fingolfin and Maglor. Beleg Strongbow was awesome as well. None of the LOTR elves can hold a candle to the bad-asses in the Silmarillion (with the obvious exception of Glorfindel)

Though my favorite character from any Tolkien tale is actually a human...Húrin.

Last of all Húrin stood alone. Then he cast aside his shield, and wielded an axe two-handed; and it is sung that the axe smoked in the black blood of the troll-guard of Gothmog until it withered, and each time that he slew Húrin cried 'Aure entuluva! - Day shall come again!' Seventy times he uttered that cry; but they took him at last alive...

Freakin awesome. :)

Ok well first of all, Elrond wasn't a 'real' elf as the title of the thread sugeests, as he was half-elven. But I am going to be an absolute whore and argue that none of the elves of middle earth are 'real' elves. It goes way back before the age of the sun in middle earth, to the the age of stars. Right when the elves were created from the stars, they were called back to the undying lands to live in immortality with the gods. On the way a group of deserters decided to stay in the darkness of middle earth rather than live in the light of the golden tree (had melkor killed that yet?). As such, the elves of middle earth are less-divine, and deserters of their race. Genetically they are the same, but idealogically, they are not 'real elves'. Besides, most of them end up completing their pilgrimage eventually anyway...

Ok well first of all, Elrond wasn't a 'real' elf as the title of the thread sugeests, as he was half-elven. But I am going to be an absolute whore and argue that none of the elves of middle earth are 'real' elves. It goes way back before the age of the sun in middle earth, to the the age of stars. Right when the elves were created from the stars, they were called back to the undying lands to live in immortality with the gods. On the way a group of deserters decided to stay in the darkness of middle earth rather than live in the light of the golden tree (had melkor killed that yet?). As such, the elves of middle earth are less-divine, and deserters of their race. Genetically they are the same, but idealogically, they are not 'real elves'. Besides, most of them end up completing their pilgrimage eventually anyway...

OK, now I'm REALLY going to go into Tolkien geek-mode.

The elves were created, but the Valar (gods, if you will), did not know the location of their awakening by Eru (chief god). Once this was learned, many of the elves did not want to take the journey, as the lies of Morgoth (bad guy) had convinced many that the Valar were not friends of the elves.

Of the majority that did take the journey, only a small portion failed to complete it. This was more out of weariness of the journey and fear of the dangers of the road than any lack of desire to live in Valinor. Though there is the exception of Thingol and those who would not leave him. (long story)

The Noldor, Vanyar, and Teleri were never described as thinking any less of the Sindar for not completing the journey. They are never described as less "divine" nor are they ever described as "deserters".

The Noldor could arguably be more accuratley called deserters than the Sindar, due to the Curse of Mandos and the Oath of Feanor.

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Yeah, i know the sindar were never portrayed as being less virtuous. I guess I was just reinterpreting the history to give an alternate reading on the elves. I love doing that. Like Melkor, or morgoth if you will. I actually love this guy. Personally I don't think Tolkien really made him evil enough, though. I mean if he is supposed to be the deification of the evil within the comological father god (forgotten name, not eru is it?), then he didn't really live up to his expectations. Sauron on assessment is more evil than Melkor. Melkor seems to be more of a rebellious teenager. I mean The smashing of the lamps? Aimless vandalistic contempt. They kick his arse and put him in a hole, then eons later come back and ask him if he's reformed. he says yes, they release him, he stabs the tree of the valar and makes a hasty escape via an evil spider, flogging the silmarills on the way. That is hormonal spite if I ever saw it. The only real atrocity you could accues him of is defiling the races of Middle earth to create orcs trolls and such. That is not so bad. It just seems to me that Melkor is more intent at pissing the other gods off, rather than a trancendant devotion to the idea of evil.

*snip*

Morgoth isn't really "evil" in the sense that he doesn't see his desire to dominate Arda as any different from the power the Valar already hold over the world.

Morgoth desired domination over the world...domination the Valar basically have. The destruction of the Lamps and the Trees could be seen more as a strategic attempt to weaken the Valar's domination of Arda than simple spite.

You are correct, however, in that Sauron arguably did a better job than Morgoth did. Sauron coerced the Numenorians into their own destruction by convincing them to make war upon Valinor. A far more ambitious plan than Morgoth ever came up with. It is also certain that, had the Ring not been destroyed, that Sauron's domination of Middle Earth would have been far more complete than Morgoths had ever been.

Yeah, Sauron was one smooth motherf*cker. From political prisoner to head vizier to the king. Then managing to sell the idea of attacking the beings which sand arda into existence. That was priceless. A lot of people forget that Sauron has an identity beyond the evil eye in LOTR, you know. I always imagine him as appearing something like Sephiroth in FFVII in his previous elf form. I have a theory on Sauron too, I think he became a lich, and that the ring was his receptacle. I am talking D&D rules here, but thats what it seems, yes? Actually, more like the template of Lich was probably modelled after him. Notice that after the creation of the ring, he could be physically maimed and such, but lived on even after his body was destroyed.

Interesting theory regarding the Lich, but as I have never bothered with D&D, I can't really debate the finer points. :p

Elves should stick to what they're good at:
Making shoes, toys and cookies. Elves weren't meant to be sexy, dammit! :mad:

Yes they were. As well as vicious, mischieveous, murderous childstealing monsters.
Some elves were pretty, but they never were nice.

Thingol was an egotistical fool...
Which is why I liked him. :)

I don't care for any of the non-Elves in Tolkien's works...

Which is why I liked him. :)

I don't care for any of the non-Elves in Tolkien's works...

Well if your looking for egotistical fools, Thingol is a good place to start. :D

LOTR has a lack of good humans, but the Silmarillion is full of them...Beor the Old, Beren, Hurin, Morwen, Huor, Turin, Nienor/Niniel, Tuor, Earendil.

I just finished rereading the Silmarillion a couple days ago, in case you can't tell. :p

Erm, well, Liv Tyler was hot as Arwen. Even though Peter Jackson totally took creative liberties with her character just to get people who think she's hot to see it. Um.

Yeah.

Well, Where should I start?

I like many, mostly out of the Silmarillion.

Fingolfin is one of the finest, along with his children. Fingon and his daring rescue of Maedhros to fix the relationship between the two branches of the family is an epic gest that became a symbol for me. Although Fingolfin last manouver against Morgoth is often seen as "daring and heroic", I still think it was a bit of emotionally spoiled over reaction. He could had tried to wage war against Melkor with better results than just running towards the enemy fortress shouting "I'll pwn ya!" with a horn, just because the bad guy managed to win a battle and burn your people in a surprise attack, I mean, c'mon, self control, coolhead, think first...

Lúthien is perhaps my personal favourite, alongside the entire line of sindar elves, she after all is the protagonist, (alongside his sidekick Beren, who for sure was steaming hot for a human) of the best fable in the entire Tolkien's story. Melian, although not being an elf, (but having a similar appearance and way of life) is also a remarkable character. Thingol was the representation of how aloof an elf can be, and yes he was arrogant, but in no way more than the Galadriel back in the day, and his protective nature of his family is what makes him so attractive to me, with also the fact that he refused to go to the blessed land for love. If Thingol was arrogant, Galadriel was just a teen angst biotch.

Húrin is perhaps the best human character alongside Beren, and his phrase at that battle is an epic moment sadly not often repeated (from there everything goes downhill for the good guys). The national motto of my nation is actually a quote of that phrase.

Other remarkable elves by my opinion are Beleg Cúthalion, who died a sad death at the hands of the friend he saved, (typical tragic outcome), and Ecthlélion of the Fountain, who looked like one of the best warriors of the old world, (and had an extremely good taste in his outfits). A note apart deserves the bard of Doriath, who used to write the songs for Lúthien, sadly there is just a little said in the Silmarillion about him. Mablung also deserve mention for being so steadfast to his Lord.

The entire Fëanor line is biased, and I extremely dislike all of them, mostly after I read about the deeds of Celegorm and Caranthir. They were more drow than the poor Eöl, who just wanted his wife and son back (Yeah, and Aredhel was also a spoiled, idiot biotch. "I want to go, now I want to go bak, now I want you to stay, now I want you to leave". Totally irresponsible stupid).

Regarding the "lesser" elves, as Thranduil and Legolas, well, they are nice, but they cannot compare to the mighty lords shown in the Silmarillion, when it was more the time of the elf than the time of the human. It is the only movie where Orlando Bloom manages to look cute, too.

I think that comprises the most, I think. And yes, I am a geek.

Other... probably either

Beleg Cúthalion
Fingon
Maedhros

it's hard to decide

The entire Fëanor line is biased, and I extremely dislike all of them, mostly after I read about the deeds of Celegorm and Caranthir.
Except Maedhros, right?

So you're saying you don't want any Elves impersonators.

Well, Where should I start?

I like many, mostly out of the Silmarillion.

Fingolfin is one of the finest, along with his children. Fingon and his daring rescue of Maedhros to fix the relationship between the two branches of the family is an epic gest that became a symbol for me. Although Fingolfin last manouver against Morgoth is often seen as "daring and heroic", I still think it was a bit of emotionally spoiled over reaction. He could had tried to wage war against Melkor with better results than just running towards the enemy fortress shouting "I'll pwn ya!" with a horn, just because the bad guy managed to win a battle and burn your people in a surprise attack, I mean, c'mon, self control, coolhead, think first...

I like Fingolfin more for his role in leading the Noldor across the Helcaraxë, and his forgiveness of Fëanor in Valinor than for his duel with Morgoth.

Lúthien is perhaps my personal favourite, alongside the entire line of sindar elves, she after all is the protagonist, (alongside his sidekick Beren, who for sure was steaming hot for a human) of the best fable in the entire Tolkien's story. Melian, although not being an elf, (but having a similar appearance and way of life) is also a remarkable character. Thingol was the representation of how aloof an elf can be, and yes he was arrogant, but in no way more than the Galadriel back in the day, and his protective nature of his family is what makes him so attractive to me, with also the fact that he refused to go to the blessed land for love. If Thingol was arrogant, Galadriel was just a teen angst biotch.

While I'm partial to the tale of Túrin myself, Lúthien and Beren truly play the most important roles in that tale. Galadriel was as arrogant as Thingol, but at least she led Melian to the truth regarding the Sons of Fëanor, if only indirectly.

Thingol irritates me more than any other Tolkien character. He is perhaps most biased towards the Sons of Feanor, yet succumbs to the lust for the Silmarils just as easily as anyone...and his own lust helps kindle the mistrust between elves and dwarves which never truly dissipates. Self-righteous and short-sighted...a bad combination.

Húrin is perhaps the best human character alongside Beren, and his phrase at that battle is an epic moment sadly not often repeated (from there everything goes downhill for the good guys). The national motto of my nation is actually a quote of that phrase.

You really have to feel for Húrin...first the battle, then the imprisonment, and finally learning what has befallen his familiy when he finally gets out. Almost more tragic than Túrin himself. Though I feel more for Morwen than any of the rest of the family.

Other remarkable elves by my opinion are Beleg Cúthalion, who died a sad death at the hands of the friend he saved, (typical tragic outcome), and Ecthélion of the Fountain, who looked like one of the best warriors of the old world, (and had an extremely good taste in his outfits). A note apart deserves the bard of Doriath, who used to write the songs for Lúthien, sadly there is just a little said in the Silmarillion about him. Mablung also deserve mention for being so steadfast to his Lord.

Beleg and Mablung are certainly excellent characters, despite their minor roles in the story...it seems the soldiers of Doriath have more character than their lord. I'm more partial to Glorfindel than Ecthélion, however.

The entire Fëanor line is biased, and I extremely dislike all of them, mostly after I read about the deeds of Celegorm and Caranthir. They were more drow than the poor Eöl, who just wanted his wife and son back (Yeah, and Aredhel was also a spoiled, idiot biotch. "I want to go, now I want to go bak, now I want you to stay, now I want you to leave". Totally irresponsible stupid).

I feel for Maglor a little...the only one not to die. He's still wandering around somewhere...

Eöl didn't have to try and kill Maeglin...that was a bunch of crap. But yeah, Aredhel was pretty stupid.

I noticed no mention of Turgon...who is also one of my favorites. I am partial to the tale of Gondolin, since it was Tolkien's first tale in the world of Middle Earth.

Regarding the "lesser" elves, as Thranduil and Legolas, well, they are nice, but they cannot compare to the mighty lords shown in the Silmarillion, when it was more the time of the elf than the time of the human. It is the only movie where Orlando Bloom manages to look cute, too.

I think that comprises the most, I think. And yes, I am a geek.

None of the elves in LOTR really impress me...even Galadriel. 1st Age all the way!

I think the geek-factor for anyone posting in this thread was already well established. :)

Except Maedhros, right?

Nah, Maedhros proved to be another idiot in the end.

I like Fingolfin more for his role in leading the Noldor across the Helcaraxë, and his forgiveness of Fëanor in Valinor than for his duel with Morgoth.

My points exactly. I like him for those deeds too.

While I'm partial to the tale of Túrin myself, Lúthien and Beren truly play the most important roles in that tale. Galadriel was as arrogant as Thingol, but at least she led Melian to the truth regarding the Sons of Fëanor, if only indirectly.

And she survived to learn the lesson of humility. Thingol didn't had that luck.

Thingol irritates me more than any other Tolkien character. He is perhaps most biased towards the Sons of Feanor, yet succumbs to the lust for the Silmarils just as easily as anyone...and his own lust helps kindle the mistrust between elves and dwarves which never truly dissipates. Self-righteous and short-sighted...a bad combination.

Dwarves were also a bad lot. However, somewhere it says that the dwarves of Moria once battled alongside the elves.

You really have to feel for Húrin...first the battle, then the imprisonment, and finally learning what has befallen his familiy when he finally gets out. Almost more tragic than Túrin himself. Though I feel more for Morwen than any of the rest of the family.

Indeed, if someone was innocent in that tale, it was her. Finduilas gets my condolences too. Fastened to a tree by an orc, just sending the message to Mormegil that she lays there.

Beleg and Mablung are certainly excellent characters, despite their minor roles in the story...it seems the soldiers of Doriath have more character than their lord. I'm more partial to Glorfindel than Ecthélion, however.

Well, Glorfindel got the chance to reincarnate, but I'm pretty sure that Gothmog (perhaps I am misspelling?) was more challenging than Glorfindel's average Balrog. And yes, glory to the axe-wielding elves.

I feel for Maglor a little...the only one not to die. He's still wandering around somewhere...

He's the Prince of the Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar! :D (joking, NS roleplaying-related)

Eöl didn't have to try and kill Maeglin...that was a bunch of crap. But yeah, Aredhel was pretty stupid.

He spent too much time with dwarves :p

I noticed no mention of Turgon...who is also one of my favorites. I am partial to the tale of Gondolin, since it was Tolkien's first tale in the world of Middle Earth.

Indeed, I loved the description of the doors of Gondolin in "The Lost Tales".

Regarding Turgon...

Fingolfin is one of the finest, along with his children

that includes him :)