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DAMASCUS, Syria (CNN) -- Syrian security forces killed four attackers Tuesday outside the U.S. Embassy in Damascus after a car exploded near the walls of the American compound, the Syrian Information Ministry said.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/12/syria.embassy/index.html

I take it this could mean that the relations between Syria and the U.S. are getting worse and worse...
Looks like peace in the region will not be achieved any time soon, I take it?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/12/syria.embassy/index.html

Looks like peace in the region will not be achieved any time soon, I take it?

Curious, since it's not really operating as a regular embassy at this time.

Nothing like a symbolic suicidal attack on a low value target.

At least the Syrians got 'em.

At least the Syrians got 'em.

Considering that it probably was the Syrian secret police who arranged for the attack, it's no wonder that the Syrian security got them.

Looks like peace in the region will not be achieved any time soon looks like it wont.

How exciting. Can't wait for the video of it on ebaum's.

Considering that it probably was the Syrian secret police who arranged for the attack, it's no wonder that the Syrian security got them.

*rolls eyes*

Lets nuke Syria!!! NOW!!!! rant rant rant :rolleyes:

Considering that it probably was the Syrian secret police who arranged for the attack, it's no wonder that the Syrian security got them.

As you would probably say.....proof (or is it just more DK paranoia)

Howso?

The article says that the Syrian security forces acted in defence of the US embassy, taking on a personal risk to avoid hurting relations between the two nations. If they really wanted to attack America they wouldn't have sent anyone.

Unless of course you argue that the Stalinist bastards just want to take any oppurtunity possible to fire on their own people.

(or is it just more DK paranoia)

Yes. Neocons look for any excuse to go to war.

sometimes I see US embassies as Imperial outposts.

I know that the embassador was pulled from Syria in 2005 (think it's mentioned in the article, too) and thus the embassy wasn't really an embassy.

Still, it furthers my impression that there are more people "playing with matches" on the "powder keg" Middle East.

After all, even a symbolic act like that will put another strain on the relations between Syria and the U.S. - one that some might find a good excuse to further calls on putting Syria on the list of "to do next"?

I just hope the U.S. will act reasonably.

I just hope the U.S. will act reasonably.

Unlikely, but I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Considering that it probably was the Syrian secret police who arranged for the attack, it's no wonder that the Syrian security got them.

I very much doubt it. The Syrian Government has every reason to want to stop Islamic extremists - if they let them loose, it would be themselves being targeted.

Howso?

The article says that the Syrian security forces acted in defence of the US embassy, taking on a personal risk to avoid hurting relations between the two nations. If they really wanted to attack America they wouldn't have sent anyone.

Unless of course you argue that the Stalinist bastards just want to take any oppurtunity possible to fire on their own people.
The place is Byzantine. You should go there.

And no, I'm not looking for a reason to invade Syria. There's no need.

If anything, we should ally with Syria.

If anything, we should ally with Syria.

Ah, and your rationale for that is?

I just hope the U.S. will act reasonably.Lets say 50 employees from the ex-embassy (from country X) were killed.

what should be the legal(internationl Law) response for an incident like this.

Obviously the terrorists are overruning the bastions of freedom. Be very afraid!!!

Ah, and your rationale for that is?

They're secular and strongly opposed to Islamic extremism.

If anything, we should ally with Syria.

crack for breakfast, huh?

Syria is almost the threat that Iran is right now.

They're secular and strongly opposed to Islamic extremism.

They also want to kill every Jew they can lay their hands on. You fine with that?

Unlikely, but I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Ah, well - as soon as I had typed that and sent it off, I saw the folly in how I phrased it ;)

They also want to kill every Jew they can lay their hands on. You fine with that?

That's total bullshit. Syria has religious freedom. Anti-Zionism =/= anti-Semitism, regardless of what the neocruds - 'scuse me, neocons - would have you think.

Lets say 50 employees from the ex-embassy (from country X) were killed.

what should be the legal(internationl Law) response for an incident like this.
I don't know. I'm no expert on IL, so I honestly wouldn't know what is deemed "appropriate".

I just know how the U.S. reacted when the embassies on the African continent were attacked...

crack for breakfast, huh?

Syria is almost the threat that Iran is right now.Iran and Syria are threas for US..

almost the threat that Iraq was @ the Azores photo-op.

I shiite-thou not. ;)

That's total bullshit. Syria has religious freedom. Anti-Zionism =/= anti-Semitism, regardless of what the neocruds - 'scuse me, neocons - would have you think.

It never ceases to amaze me how much people are willing to excuse when blinded by anti-Americanism/anti-Bushism.

Lets say 50 employees from the ex-embassy (from country X) were killed.

what should be the legal(internationl Law) response for an incident like this.

The UN will comdemn it and shake a very stern finger at them.
Americans will get riled up and put a flag out and the rest of the douchebags in here will remind us how many people in Darfur are dying everyday of flies in their eyes and why are we so upset about 50 Americans ?

Then the UN will threaten sanctions against Syria- and this of course will unite the enemies of the US and encourage them to lash out at America in any way they can. They'll start by torching a Krispy Kreme Donut shop (that their mothers work at) and then things will get worse.

Maybe while burning an American flag in the street, a few will accidentally burn themselves up.

Do you still get the virgins if you arrive with an American flag melted into your flesh?

Iran and Syria are threas for US..

almost the threat that Iraq was @ the Azores photo-op.

I shiite-thou not. ;)
How so? I don't see how Syria is threatening the United States. Hell, even Iraq didn't pose a threat to the U.S. before the war.

I don't know. I'm no expert on IL, so I honestly wouldn't know what is deemed "appropriate".
My question is not about "appropriate".. Its about "Legal"

and its an open question to all forum members..

It never ceases to amaze me how much people are willing to excuse when blinded by anti-Americanism/anti-Bushism.

Who's anti-American? I sure as hell am not.

That's total bullshit. Syria has religious freedom. Anti-Zionism =/= anti-Semitism, regardless of what the neocruds - 'scuse me, neocons - would have you think.

It's not bullshit. Look at any Syrian map of the Middle East.

You won't see Israel on it. And they, along with Iran, are direct sponsors of Hezbollah.

Who, by the way, have it in their charter to kill every last Jew.

How so? I don't see how Syria is threatening the United States. Hell, even Iraq didn't pose a threat to the U.S. before the war.

Shhh. Don't tell the neocons that. ;)

It's not bullshit. Look at any Syrian map of the Middle East.

You won't see Israel on it. And they, along with Iran, are direct sponsors of Hezbollah.

Who, by the way, have it in their charter to kill every last Jew.

Since when does Israel = Judaism?

Iran and Syria are threats for US..
..almost the threat that Iraq was @ the Azores photo-op.
I shiite-thou not. ;)I don't see how Syria is threatening the United States. Hell, even Iraq didn't pose a threat to the U.S. before the war.are you shiiting me?? massive sarcasm. ^^

Since when does Israel = Judaism?

Read the last sentence, as in "kill every last Jew".

Read the last sentence, as in "kill every last Jew".

Got a source for that?

They also want to kill every Jew they can lay their hands on. You fine with that?

From reading your posts you seem to want to do the same to every muslim you can lay your hands on (but i doubt you come across many in your little fortified bunker) We in Europe live with real fears daily, and it has got worse since the world police started bombing random nations

Got a source for that?

It's in Hezbollah's charter. It's on the Internet, google it.

The place is Byzantine. You should go there.

And no, I'm not looking for a reason to invade Syria. There's no need.

Meh, I've been to the Syrian border... it's landmined. I feel no need to go somewhere that landmines its borders.

And Congo, Syria is not a nice place. True, they are secular, but not secular in the tradition of the West, secular in the tradition of Josef Stalin - and if it fits their purposes to fund terrorists that they disagree with, then they will.

If the West were to support Syria over Israel, we would have to have the death of another six million Jews on our consciences.

Read the last sentence, as in "kill every last Jew".the more I read it.. me more it says "DK is spinning the words"

same ol' same ol'...
DK: "Iran President says he-is-going-to-wipe-Israel.. off the map"

are you shiiting me?? massive sarcasm. ^^
Haha, clever on the word-play. Enough of it already!

I have yet to see anything convincing that (both) Syria (and Iraq) posed and pose a threat to the United States.

They're secular and strongly opposed to Islamic extremism.

They would also never let chemical/biologocal/nuke weapons cross their border. Or truckloads of cash. Or armed guerillas.

yes-they are a strong ally of the US, indeed. :rolleyes:

the more I read it.. me more it says "DK is spinning the words"

same ol' same ol'...
DK: "Iran President says he-is-going-to-wipe-Israel.. off the map"

I'm not spinning anything. You can read their charter yourself.

And Congo, Syria is not a nice place. True, they are secular, but not secular in the tradition of the West, secular in the tradition of Josef Stalin - and if it fits their purposes to fund terrorists that they disagree with, then they will.

Syria's government is abhorrent, there's no question about that. But they're not secular in the tradition of Stalin. Syria has religious freedom, far more so than some of our "allies" like Saudi Arabia.

Haha, clever on the word-play. Enough of it already!

I have yet to see anything convincing that (both) Syria (and Iraq) posed and pose a threat to the United States.

You will note that I'm not saying "attack Syria". Why would we attack them now?

Since when does Israel = Judaism?

Since 1947, dumbass.

You would have a point if you said 'since when does Judaism = Israel?', but Israel is officially a Jewish state.

They would also never let chemical/biologocal/nuke weapons cross their border. Or truckloads of cash. Or armed guerillas.

yes-they are a strong ally of the US, indeed. :rolleyes:

Considering we unquestioningly support everything Israel does, can you blame them for hating us?

Considering we unquestioningly support everything Israel does, can you blame them for hating us?

Can you blame them for hating a nation that has prevented them from killing off the Jews?

Since 1947, dumbass.

You would have a point if you said 'since when does Judaism = Israel?', but Israel is officially a Jewish state.

No reason to flame.

And last time I recalled, not all Jews lived in Israel. So would that make an anti-Israeli Jew an anti-Semite?

Can you blame them for hating a nation that has prevented them from killing off the Jews?

:rolleyes:

You will note that I'm not saying "attack Syria". Why would we attack them now?why not??

after all.. we did attack Iraq..
Did we not??

hey.. maybe we did not
maybe I was dreaming (a Nigthmare).. we elected a chimp.. invaded Iraq.. and turned the WWWorld against US.. and then there is Katrinagate..

??? yeah It was all a dream directed by Michael Moore.. I cant wait to wake-up.. and Laugh about the incroyable-stupid dream.

:rolleyes:

You don't read much, do you? Other than anti-Bush rants?

Never read the charter of Hezbollah? Never read about the myriad conflicts in the Middle East in detail? Never travelled to those countries?

You will note that I'm not saying "attack Syria". Why would we attack them now?
Huh? You should have noted that I didn't even imply you were making such a statement.
What is this? Defending yourself before being adressed?!?

That is sooo DK of you :D

Huh? You should have noted that I didn't even imply you were making such a statement.
What is this? Defending yourself before being adressed?!?

That is sooo DK of you :D
You're not the only one posting in the thread.

Others have already asserted that I want to attack Syria.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/12/syria.embassy/index.html

I take it this could mean that the relations between Syria and the U.S. are getting worse and worse...
Looks like peace in the region will not be achieved any time soon, I take it?



I am suprised we even have an embassy there..but I am even more suprised Syria has its own terrorist running around loose .
The US has had embassies bombed and attacked before ,,it usually has NOTHING to do with relations with the host country so why would you jump to the conclusion that it has anything to do with relations with Syria ?

the more I read it.. me more it says "DK is spinning the words"

same ol' same ol'...
DK: "Iran President says he-is-going-to-wipe-Israel.. off the map"

Wait- He hasnt preached hatred and annihilation of the jews on a regular basis ? He doesnt constantly incite people to be hostile towards jews and israel? He doesnt encourage violence and intolerance?

What hapened to all the dopey fucks who chant "Never again!".

People are more interested in word games than the facts of the matter?

No-people who no longer have power are forced to deal in terms of being weak, they have to justify their weakness as if tolerating a menace is the smart thing to do.

No-when you're weak, you do what you can to avoid the fight. And you have to make it look like that was by your own choice. You try to make the clear threat seem as if it isnt really a threat.
When you're strong, you have the luxury of challenging and ultimately eliminating a threat that could become a bigger, less manageable threat. And you stay strong.

dp

You're not the only one posting in the thread.

Others have already asserted that I want to attack Syria.
That's right. Others have. Why quote me, then?!?
I am suprised we even have an embassy there..but I am even more suprised Syria has its own terrorist running around loose .
The US has had embassies bombed and attacked before ,,it usually has NOTHING to do with relations with the host country so why would you jump to the conclusion that it has anything to do with relations with Syria ?
Because some U.S. politicians have put Syria along with Iraq and Iran on their agenda of "up next".
And while you and I probably see that it shouldn't have anything to do with said relations, I do not believe that many U.S. politicians of a certain persuasion have ever heard of common sense before.

Since when does Israel = Judaism?
Exactly.

This is an important distinction which often gets blurred intentionally, especially by the Israeli government. One can quite easily be against Israel without being against Judaism.

Considering we unquestioningly support everything Israel does, can you blame them for hating us?

I dont agree with most of what Israel does and I dont agree with our total support.
I know if it wasnt for the US, though, Israel would be a smoking stain in the desert-Every man woman and child there would be dead. So-I support the lesser of two evils. We have to support them or be complicit in their annihilation. That seems to be our job for a while now.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5337458.stm
"There is currently no US ambassador to Damascus and very limited contact between the governments."

Is this true?

So they attempted to bomb an embassy with no ambassador?

Bwaaaaahaaahaahaaahaahaaahaaaaaaa *quick pause to wipe tears from eyes and look at screen again* aaaaahaaahaaahaahaaaa *resume rolling on floor holding sides with pain*

"cHello wee have zee bambuz and we... oh wait aer eez nawbuddy hee-ur"

I like the story about the Chinese embassy worker who got injured cos he was standing on the roof watching, probably giving it "Yay you keel mereekan capataleest peeg dog-*blam*OWshit!"

Incidentally this is shaping up to be very one sided:
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=3772&start=0&&&edition=1&ttl=20060912151135

Wait- He hasnt preached () annihilation of the jews.. ? :rolleyes:

I guess your sources are FOX/CNN/AP.. right?

I dont agree with most of what Israel does and I dont agree with our total support.
I know if it wasnt for the US, though, Israel would be a smoking stain in the desert-Every man woman and child there would be dead. So-I support the lesser of two evils. We have to support them or be complicit in their annihilation. That seems to be our job for a while now.

I support a two-state solution in Israel/Palestine.

And here's a good site by anti-Zionist JEWS, Orthodox, no less: http://www.nkusa.org/

Yet, neocons continue to insist Judaism = Israel, Judaism = Zionism, anti-Zionism=anti-Semitism. :rolleyes:

I support a two-state solution in Israel/Palestine.

Sorry, Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, Syria, and Iran do not support a two-state solution.

And here's a good site by anti-Zionist JEWS, Orthodox, no less: http://www.nkusa.org/

Yet, neocons continue to insist Judaism = Israel, Judaism = Zionism, anti-Zionism=anti-Semitism. :rolleyes:

Your only argument seems to consist of ill-informed name calling.

And here's a good site by anti-Zionist JEWS, Orthodox, no less: http://www.nkusa.org/

Yet, neocons continue to insist Judaism = Israel, Judaism = Zionism, anti-Zionism=anti-Semitism. :rolleyes:



Your really quick to throw labels around ...but you start athread wondering why anti war people are considered leftist ?


Ironic is it not ?

Your only argument seems to consist of ill-informed name calling.
Oh, come on DK. He may be mistaken in his labelling of neocons, but that aint his only argument, and you know it.

His argument that “Judaism = Israel, Judaism = Zionism, anti-Zionism=anti-Semitism” is a widely held view, is a reasonable argument.

Oh, come on DK. He may be mistaken in his labelling of neocons, but that aint his only argument, and you know it.

His argument that “Judaism = Israel, Judaism = Zionism, anti-Zionism=anti-Semitism” is a widely held view, is a reasonable argument.

The problem is that I've proved in another thread that resistance groups funded largely by Iran and Syria are dedicated not only to removing Israel, but killing off all the Jews.

So they attempted to bomb an embassy with no ambassador?

"cHello wee have zee bambuz and we... oh wait aer eez nawbuddy hee-ur"


Your remarkably weak attempts at humour aside, just because there's no ambassador doesn't mean the embassy was empty. Clearly you know very little about the way diplomatic relations work.


I like the story about the Chinese embassy worker who got injured cos he was standing on the roof watching, probably giving it "Yay you keel mereekan capataleest peeg dog-*blam*OWshit!"


The Chinese, anti-capitalist? That'll be the day...

Perhaps you're not quite up to date on the events of the last two decades or so.

Anyway, most importantly: My condoleances to the family of the Syrian security member who was killed defending the US embassy.

The problem is that I’ve proved in another thread that resistance groups funded largely by Iran and Syria are dedicated not only to removing Israel, but killing off all the Jews.
And? I doubt that Congo—Kinshasa is a member of any of these groups, and I certainly aren’t. It’s not just localised resistance groups that have objections to Israel.

Your only argument seems to consist of ill-informed name calling.

I do apologize. And I did, in the other thread, surrender.

:rolleyes:

I guess your sources are FOX/CNN/AP.. right?

Why do you guess that ? Are they the only ones that played the speeches and provided translation?

Are you suggesting he hasnt directly said those things?

Do you have some better source?

No- you have nothing.

So say nothing.

..or be complicit in their annihilation.actually.. We are complicit on the killing of massive numbers of women and children in the Area.

actually.. We are complicit on the killing of massive numbers of women and children in the Area.

You believe the bullshit photoshopped pictures, don't you?

And? I doubt that Congo—Kinshasa is a member of any of these groups, and I certainly aren’t. It’s not just localised resistance groups that have objections to Israel.

I hate Hezbollah and Hamas. I hate Iran and Syria, too, but I do think we should try to have warmer relations with them, and at least try to moderate them, while at the same time pressing for a two-state solution.

I hate Hezbollah and Hamas. I hate Iran and Syria, too, but I do think we should try to have warmer relations with them, and at least try to moderate them, while at the same time pressing for a two-state solution.

Well, it would be nice if they all stopped fighting, shelling, bombing, and killing each other.

I hate Hezbollah and Hamas. I hate Iran and Syria, too, but I do think we should try to have warmer relations with them, and at least try to moderate them, while at the same time pressing for a two-state solution.
I agree. Ideally, with a democratic UN (that’ll be the day), I’d also like to see Israel forced to comply with the many Resolutions it disregards. No other country in the world gets away with acting in the way Israel does.

Well, it would be nice if they all stopped fighting, shelling, bombing, and killing each other.

Agreed. And if, after trying my suggestions, they still don't get along, then Israel can and should give them a good ol' kick in the ass.

You believe the bullshit photoshopped pictures, don't you?



Why do respond to that idiot ? have you seen ONE post or thread that wasn't a troll attempt or was not propaganda of some sort...or even ONE post he has made that was a decent attempt at understanding or responding to a question ?


See what I mean ?

I agree. Ideally, with a democratic UN (that’ll be the day), I’d also like to see Israel forced to comply with the many Resolutions it disregards. No other country in the world gets away with acting in the way Israel does.

The vast bulk of those resolutions were passed at the behest of the Soviet Union, to use as propaganda tools to try to swing Arabs to their side. You will notice that the frequency of Anti-Israel resolutions has dropped off to a trickle since 1991.

Since Syrian security forces prevented the attackers from storming the embassy this should help rather than harm US/Syrian diplomatic relations.

I've got to admit that much to my discredit before reading the article I jumped to a wrong conclusion and assumed that Syrian forces probably attacked the embassy.

The vast bulk of those resolutions were passed at the behest of the Soviet Union, to use as propaganda tools to try to swing Arabs to their side. You will notice that the frequency of Anti-Israel resolutions has dropped off to a trickle since 1991.
Whatever unfortuane political wrangling the resolutions were used for, they still have plenty of good suggestions in them, and should be implemented. And I’d suggest that the resolutions are not ‘anti-Israel’ but anti-violence/pro-peace; most made in an attempt to bring to an end decades of useless killings on both sides of the conflict.

actually.. We are complicit on the killing of massive numbers of women and children in the Area.

Where? "Massive numbers" ?

Thats pure and utter bullshit- you are wrong and you know you are, but maybe it feels good to spout it?

Meh, I've been to the Syrian border... it's landmined. I feel no need to go somewhere that landmines its borders.

And Congo, Syria is not a nice place. True, they are secular, but not secular in the tradition of the West, secular in the tradition of Josef Stalin - and if it fits their purposes to fund terrorists that they disagree with, then they will.

If the West were to support Syria over Israel, we would have to have the death of another six million Jews on our consciences.

You ever been to Germany?

Since Syrian security forces prevented the attackers from storming the embassy this should help rather than harm US/Syrian diplomatic relations.

I've got to admit that much to my discredit before reading the article I jumped to a wrong conclusion and assumed that Syrian forces probably attacked the embassy.
Oooh. But that is why I provided that neat link ;)

You ever been to Germany?

Lived there for 2 and a half years.

Lived there for 2 and a half years.

Are you Greyenivol Colony as well??

Are you Greyenivol Colony as well??

No, I'm not. But I am Rubiconic Crossings. :D

No, I'm not. But I am Rubiconic Crossings. :D

I now need a shower.

You ever been to Germany?

What exactly are you getting at with that question? At least spell it out, please!

What exactly are you getting at with that question? At least spell it out, please!

During the Cold War the West German border was mined....

During the Cold War the West German border was mined....
Wait, West Germany didn't mine their Eastern border, East Germany mined their Western border!!!

Huuuuge difference!

But yeah... Many mines. Putting the North/South Korean border to shame, I guess.

(I was thinking along the lines of the West supporting Israel, and Germany does, as it's Germany's reason of state to do so.) :p

Thanks for making that clear!

i doubt the US will take actions against syria at the moment. if anything they will evacuate all unecesary civilians.

You believe the bullshit photoshopped pictures, don't you?without the billions we are giving them.. they could not afford their massive killing Machine (AKA IDF)

i doubt the US will take actions against syria at the moment. if anything they will evacuate all unecesary civilians.

...or the U.S. will thank them for foiling the attack and ensuring the safety of the embassy staff.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5339834.stm

Since one of the people DEFENDING the defunct embassy was killed, I'm actually going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, that doesn't actually prevent Syria from applying spin.
Mainly as many of the insurgents in Iraq came from Syria.
The US has been haranging Iran and Syria to seal their borders and thus decrease the number of fresh troops in the insurgency.
This will enable Syria to say, "Gee, we can't even prevent ATTACKS within our own country."

Even by NS standards this thread has been hijaked by bigotry and utter idiocy, yes DK, that means you.

The Syrian secret police, who the US govt were thanking for their co-operation in fighting al-q as late as 2002, PREVENT a terror attack on the US embassy which houses civilian, military and presumably spooks and some arsewipes are actually upset with the Syrians? :headbang:

Heaven forbid they try and do you a favour and protect your property and people!! Next time will an 'enemy' of the US bother stopping the plot?

Seriously pathetic stuff.

They are claiming that it's al Qaeda related? Hmm.

sometimes I see US embassies as Imperial outposts.

Some times I see you as Completely Delusional.

Some times I see you as Completely Delusional. yes.. sometimes you do.
They are claiming that it's al Qaeda related? Hmm....
sometimes...

Sorry, Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, Syria, and Iran do not support a two-state solution.


I support a two-state solution in Israel/Palestine.
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oddly enough,doesn't gwb strongly support a 2 state solution?

i do as well,i am no fan of gwb,but i am less a fan of hamas/hezbollah or anyone that advocates wiping out a country just because they dislike their religion or have age old land disputes.

i do not hear the israilis or bush advocating wiping out a country.

That's only because they know they couldn't get away with it if they said it out loud. I'm sure a number of people in the Israeli parliament would love to sow the West bank with salt.

I hate Hezbollah and Hamas. I hate Iran and Syria, too, but I do think we should try to have warmer relations with them, and at least try to moderate them, while at the same time pressing for a two-state solution.

i have to agree with you on that.

i have trouble hating countries that i have never been too,however i dont have a problem hating hamas or hezbollah,seeing their objectives are pretty clear.

i dont know enough about iran/syria to make an informed judgement,but if they are supporting these groups,then i do have an issue with them(the goverments that is.

It never ceases to amaze me how much people are willing to excuse when blinded by anti-Americanism/anti-Bushism.
Amen to that.

I'd call it a part of the parasitic post-mod inspired anti-westernism which now infects and indoctrinates itself into our society.

i do not hear the israilis or bush advocating wiping out a country.

Don't know about Bush but I can reassure you that Israelis don't want to wipe out anyone. The vast majority of the population (probably around 95%) would vote YES for two-state solution if they would be sure that it would stop the violence. The problem is, for Israelis, that they cannot be sure that it will help. There are large amounts of people in the Palestinian Autonomy (and in the Arab world) that will never accept Israel's right to exist and will do anything to kill as much Jews/Israelis as they can. I am well aware of the fact that most of the Arab population wants peace as well, but the situation in the Gaza strip and in the West Bank is so bad (economically and socially) that they have nothing better to do than join some extreme forces that promise them salvation in heaven and etc.

I was going to say "nuke 'em". But surprisingly, Deep Kimchi beat me to it.