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Not literally. They had a three man rally(it wasn't westboro, but it was a group affiliated with them). It was fun. I came off strong, and the I got the one woman there speaking to shut up. I referred her to the verse about women being silent :p. Anyways, it felt good to know that I could be a light to people that saw all this darkness. I even met a few new christian friends, and we were able to be fruitful witnesses. Gosh it feels good to actually stand up for my beliefs. I just thank God for the strength to find the truth in all the lies. :)

Yay me!

Good for you! May God continue to bless your efforts and hopefully He has plans to use you for more of the same in the future. :)

next time use a giant inflatable hammer, much more effective :D

I found the truth too...

At least it is my truth...

Where was it?
It was lost on NSG. Found it in July... now I never let it leave my sight lest it leave me again...

:rolleyes: No, no, no. Idiot. If you want to know what you *should* have done, look at at my sig. :rolleyes:

WWLGD: What Would Lunatic Goofballs Do? :D

I'm not christain but that is a damn good thing to hear!

:rolleyes: No, no, no. Idiot. If you want to know what you *should* have done, look at at my sig. :rolleyes:

WWLGD: What Would Lunatic Goofballs Do? :D

What was that about women being silent? :D

Good for you, Zilam - keep up the good work!

next time use a giant inflatable hammer, much more effective :D

I would pay to see that happen. Seriously... Group of like 5 people with those hammers, sprinting in circles, wacking the WBC on the head? That'd be better than a pieing.

Not literally. They had a three man rally(it wasn't westboro, but it was a group affiliated with them). It was fun. I came off strong, and the I got the one woman there speaking to shut up. I referred her to the verse about women being silent :p. Anyways, it felt good to know that I could be a light to people that saw all this darkness. I even met a few new christian friends, and we were able to be fruitful witnesses. Gosh it feels good to actually stand up for my beliefs. I just thank God for the strength to find the truth in all the lies. :)

Yay me!

Good for you!
If you have to be Christian, you should at least try to keep some common sense and compassion. :D

I just thank God for the strength to find the truth in all the lies. :)

*giggles*

Aww c'mon! I kid I kid!

More Christians should be like you. You know, sane. Of course, most of them probably are, it's just easier to notice the screaming lunatic than the person who's conducting themselves properly.

How was it? I went toe to toe with them in NYC a few years back (almost got arrested and almost got sent home from the trip I was on). Actually, one chick in particular...if she wasn't a religious nut, I'd tap that (oh, who are we kidding...they make duct tape for a reason;) ). But I digress...stood up against her on AIDS, gays...basically all their stances. Ended up with tons of people watching because it kinda became a little screaming match between me and her mother. Appearently, since I wasn't with their group, and didn't have a permit, I couldn't "protest". After the cop asked me to leave, I may have closed it all off with "I home someone fucking stabs you with a dirty syringe so you can see just what it's like to live with AIDS".

He wasn't entertained.
Nor was my teacher when I told him why I was late.

but damn, it was worth it.

homosexuals are nothing but humans possesed by the devil and friends.

Could somebody pass the salt??!!?

More Christians should be like you. You know, sane. Of course, most of them probably are, it's just easier to notice the screaming lunatic than the person who's conducting themselves properly.

Being a Christian is rather like being a member of PETA. Most of the people you meet will be down to Earth people that don't throw stones at divorcees, or throw paint on people wearing animal products, but the further up the hierarchy you go, the crazier the people get.

Fred Phelps church is a tiny one that mostly consists of his own family. That's why it's so crazy. They're almost all already at the top, because that's all there is.

Being a Christian is rather like being a member of PETA. Most of the people you meet will be down to Earth people that don't throw stones at divorcees

Yes, but apparently they still wouldn’t elect an atheist to the presidency, no matter how qualified. That is why they fail.

Yes, but apparently they still wouldn’t elect an atheist to the presidency, no matter how qualified. That is why they fail.

There have been three... :confused:

Not literally. They had a three man rally(it wasn't westboro, but it was a group affiliated with them). It was fun. I came off strong, and the I got the one woman there speaking to shut up. I referred her to the verse about women being silent :p. Anyways, it felt good to know that I could be a light to people that saw all this darkness. I even met a few new christian friends, and we were able to be fruitful witnesses. Gosh it feels good to actually stand up for my beliefs. I just thank God for the strength to find the truth in all the lies. :)

Yay me!

Good job. Fools who twist good and decent things deserve to be put down with words daily.

Yes, but apparently they still wouldn’t elect an atheist to the presidency, no matter how qualified. That is why they fail.

I would have no problem whatsoever electing an atheist to the presidency, if he/she was the most qualified.

I'm even marrying an atheist.

But have fun with your stereotypes.

There have been three... :confused:

um...which US presidents have been atheists?

um...which US presidents have been atheists?

There's been at least one deist, and a pair of organized agnostics (unitarians). There might have been a couple of other closet agnostics as well.

I would have no problem whatsoever electing an atheist to the presidency, if he/she was the most qualified.

I'm even marrying an atheist.

But have fun with your stereotypes.

I think this (http://www.ur.umn.edu/FMPro?-db=releases&-lay=web&-format=umnnewsreleases/releasesdetail.html&ID=2816&-Find) is the survey he was refering to

Yes, but apparently they still wouldn’t elect an atheist to the presidency, no matter how qualified. That is why they fail.

Actually, more people would knowingly vote for a homosexual than an atheist, in the US. Interesting, don't you think?

There's been at least one deist, and a pair of organized agnostics (unitarians). There might have been a couple of other closet agnostics as well.

agnostic =/= atheist, nor does deist

agnostic =/= atheist, nor does deist

I know that, I was just tossing random bits of information in for free.

Free info is good info!

I know that, I was just tossing random bits of information in for free.

Free info is good info!

haha...I concur. I was just afraid that another person was saying that they are one in the same.

and I feel like that post should a one of those "So now you know!" things on it...

um...which US presidents have been atheists?

1. Martin Van Buren
2. Andrew Johnson
3. Rutherford B. Hayes

Actually, more people would knowingly vote for a homosexual than an atheist, in the US. Interesting, don't you think?

There goes the Red states for me... :(

1. Martin Van Buren
2. Andrew Johnson
3. Rutherford B. Hayes
I thought al there were agnostic...do you have any sources?

I thought al there were agnostic...do you have any sources?

I've found no references on any of their religious affiliations on wikipedia. Although van Buren was listed as "Dutch Reformed or Unknown". I know that the Adamses were both Unitarians, and Jefferson was a deist.

I thought al there were agnostic...do you have any sources?

There's no canon of Atheism, other than it being a broad definition which encompasses both people who assert that there is/are no god(s) and those who make no claim about whether god(s) exist or not.

None of the three were professed in any church.

There's no canon of Atheism, other than it being a broad definition which encompasses both people who assert that there is/are no god(s) and those who make no claim about whether god(s) exist or not.

None of the three were professed in any church.
I've never seen a single piece of evidence that any of those three ever claimed there is no god or had any leanings in that direction.
Just because you are not in a church does not mean you are atheist.

I've never seen a single piece of evidence that any of those three ever claimed there is no god or had any leanings in that direction.
Just because you are not in a church does not mean you are atheist.

If you aren't a part of a religion, you have none. None of them ever claimed to be. Particuarly, Hayes was a known skeptic and debater of the clergy.

If you aren't a part of a religion, you have none.
Atheism isn't the lack of a religion. It's the lack of a belief in a god or gods. Unless you want to claim that deists are atheists.

Atheism isn't the lack of a religion. It's the lack of a belief in a god or gods. Unless you want to claim that deists are atheists.

As I said before... There's no canon of Atheism, other than it being a broad definition which encompasses both people who assert that there is/are no god(s) and those who make no claim about whether god(s) exist or not.

All three clearly fit in the second category.

As I said before... There's no canon of Atheism, other than it being a broad definition which encompasses both people who assert that there is/are no god(s) and those who make no claim about whether god(s) exist or not.

All three clearly fit in the second category.

How do they? You don't need to belong to a religion to make a claim about the existence of a god or gods. If you did, deism wouldn't exist.

How do they? You don't need to belong to a religion to make a claim about the existence of a god or gods. If you did, deism wouldn't exist.

Can we show that they did not claim there was no god(s), etc?

If you aren't a part of a religion, you have none. None of them ever claimed to be. Particuarly, Hayes was a known skeptic and debater of the clergy.

you can have no religion and believe in God. It is called agnosticism (in its many forms...ie, deism, animism). And, as I said before, agnosticism IS NOT atheism.

a church (and its clergy) are not God. One can deny every single organized church and STILL believe in a god or several gods. Hell, I could make up a god to follow and I would inevitably no longer be an atheist.

you can have no religion and believe in God. It is called agnosticism (in its many forms...ie, deism, animism). And, as I said before, agnosticism IS NOT atheism.

a church (and its clergy) are not God. One can deny every single organized church and STILL believe in a god or several gods. Hell, I could make up a god to follow and I would inevitably no longer be an atheist.

I'd posit that if President Hayes *was* worshiping his whiskey bottle (or whatever), that it really isn't the same as (say) being a Quaker or Baptist.

My proof lies in that none were in any church, none were known to pray or keep any sort of theistic habits, and none have any religious inscriptions on their graves.

You want me to find a passage of Van Buren saying "There is no God" to someone in a letter? Sorry, I don't have that in my back pocket.

It's a matter of defintion, of course. But from my chair, that's 3 atheist Presidents.

]My proof lies in that none were in any church, none were known to pray or keep any sort of theistic habits, and none have any religious inscriptions on their graves.

Woop-dee-fucking-doo. You don't need to pray or go to a church to believe in a god. It's called deism. Look it up.

I'd posit that if President Hayes *was* worshiping his whiskey bottle (or whatever), that it really isn't the same as (say) being a Quaker or Baptist.

My proof lies in that none were in any church, none were known to pray or keep any sort of theistic habits, and none have any religious inscriptions on their graves.

You want me to find a passage of Van Buren saying "There is no God" to someone in a letter? Sorry, I don't have that in my back pocket.

It's a matter of defintion, of course. But from my chair, that's 3 atheist Presidents.

To support the idea that someone is an atheist, a simple lack of religious habits is insufficient. Pretty much the only way to prove someone is an atheist is a statement straight from the horse's mouth.

Lack of church attendance merely proves they didn't go to church. Many people who believe in God are unchurched (to use the vernacular). Not being known to pray or keep theistic habits merely means no one ever happened to notice them doing it (and prayer can be more private than masturbation in many ways). Tombstone engravings? Really? That is your proof? OK... many believers do not put "I BELIEVE IN GOD" on their tombstones.

I am indifferent to the idea that we have had atheists as president, so it is fine with me if they were. However, none of what you said points anywhere even in that general direction without more substantive proof; such proof would pretty much exclude anything BUT the person in question owning up to it in some fashion.

To support the idea that someone is an atheist, a simple lack of religious habits is insufficient. Pretty much the only way to prove someone is an atheist is a statement straight from the horse's mouth.

Lack of church attendance merely proves they didn't go to church. Many people who believe in God are unchurched (to use the vernacular). Not being known to pray or keep theistic habits merely means no one ever happened to notice them doing it (and prayer can be more private than masturbation in many ways). Tombstone engravings? Really? That is your proof? OK... many believers do not put "I BELIEVE IN GOD" on their tombstones.

I am indifferent to the idea that we have had atheists as president, so it is fine with me if they were. However, none of what you said points anywhere even in that general direction without more substantive proof; such proof would pretty much exclude anything BUT the person in question owning up to it in some fashion.

Given they are all dead, it's pretty hard to get anything verbal. And, since Hayes has the 1st Presidential library, the others didn't exactly have the best record keeping. And even Hayes' library is not complete.

Yes, tombstones. And actually, most of them tend to be religious!
I suggest you walk around in a cemetary sometime, you'll see that the majority will have some sort of motif, be in a cross, angel, dove, lamb, star of david, etc.
Consider Kennedy's has a cross, as does Wilson's, which is interned in a Church.


Hey, it's my POV... and as I keep stating, it is enough proof for me.

Woop-dee-fucking-doo. You don't need to pray or go to a church to believe in a god. It's called deism. Look it up.

And you still can't prove that they didn't believe in a god. It's called "we don't know for sure". Look it up. :D

To me, that's still 3 atheist Presidents.

homosexuals are nothing but humans possesed by the devil and friends.

Could somebody pass the salt??!!?
...

*puts up a nice steel cage...*

Hmn...

*After a moment of contemplation posts a "DO NOT FEED THE TROLL" sign.*

There's been at least one deist, and a pair of organized agnostics (unitarians). There might have been a couple of other closet agnostics as well.

But who has been an ATHEIST?

:rolleyes: No, no, no. Idiot. If you want to know what you *should* have done, look at at my sig. :rolleyes:

WWLGD: What Would Lunatic Goofballs Do? :D

ROFLMGDFAO

homosexuals are nothing but humans possesed by the devil and friends.

Could somebody pass the salt??!!?

Should I treat that statement like your name? Mental imagination.

WWLGD: What Would Lunatic Goofballs Do? :D

Do we have time for a comprehensive list? :p

Should I treat that statement like your name? Mental imagination.

Methinks he was being sarcastic.

(At least, I hope was...)

Do we have time for a comprehensive list? :p

YES! :D

Methinks he was being sarcastic.

(At least, I hope was...)

More likely trolling.

More likely trolling.

Yeah, probably.

I look foward to the day when Fred Phelps gets picked up by the cops for hiring a rent boy.

It shall be glorious.

YES! :D

Personally, I think it deserves it's own thread, but here is a quick synopsis of my motivations:


I exist to startle and amuse. That is the purpose of my existence.
Startling people occasionally jars their brains into working. This is a good thing.
Amusement is the lubrication of creative thought.
My ultimate goal in life is for people to look back on it and be amazed that I never did drugs.


:)

That all presumes you exist, of course, something for which we have no proof; for that matter, does anything exist? Does annoyance exist? hmm...

Personally, I think it deserves it's own thread, but here is a quick synopsis of my motivations:


I exist to startle and amuse. That is the purpose of my existence.
Startling people occasionally jars their brains into working. This is a good thing.
Amusement is the lubrication of creative thought.
My ultimate goal in life is for people to look back on it and be amazed that I never did drugs.


:)

So my question is are you already a Discordian or are you someone who just thinks like one?

Speaking of God hates Fags, i happened to see a Chick Publications cartoon that was simply hillarious. This one was entitlesd "The Birds and the Bees" This pamphlet/cartoon/insane religious dribble is brilliantly funny if you take it with 13 metric tons of salt but depicts gay people with little devils running around thier sholders in every scene, the drawings are unintentionally hillarious, and some of my favorite lines

Gay guy #1 Kids LOTS of great and famous people are gay. But some people who refuse to support gays are evil and intolerant.
Gay guy #2 They HATE us and call us all kinds of nasty names. But if we get our way, they will ALL be in prision.
Narrater: This is how the Gays are changing the way little school kids think.

Google chick publications for like a million of these mini comic books they are scary/funny.

Do we have time for a comprehensive list? :p

It would be easier to classify them.
Thins Involving Mud
Things Not Involving Mud

So my question is are you already a Discordian or are you someone who just thinks like one?

COnsidering that I never heard of it until I wikied it, I must say that it sounds appealing. Except for the label. Discordian. I can't abide labels. Still, if I must abide labels, I can think of worse.

The most appealing aspect about Discordianism is that it recognizes, a I do, that Chaos can be a force for good. I wrote a short story about that once chronicling the early adventures of a hero of Chaos in the neverending battle against the evil forces of Order.

Still, I must explore this more thoroughly. Thank you. :)

COnsidering that I never heard of it until I wikied it, I must say that it sounds appealing. Except for the label. Discordian. I can't abide labels. Still, if I must abide labels, I can think of worse.

The most appealing aspect about Discordianism is that it recognizes, a I do, that Chaos can be a force for good. I wrote a short story about that once chronicling the early adventures of a hero of Chaos in the neverending battle against the evil forces of Order.

Still, I must explore this more thoroughly. Thank you. :)

Your welcome. Just remember not to take the Principia too seriously, that kinda violates the point the writers were trying to make . . .

Im confused. You broke up a "God Hates Fags" rally? Or did you break up a God Loves Fags rally?

then again... I read thje first 3 posts and posted thsi..