Don't Worry About North Korea
Deep Kimchi
11-09-2006, 20:31
Or South Korea, for that matter. China believes that Korea is just a part of China. Of course, the last time there was a fuss about what land areas of "China" would go in Chinese textbooks, it was about Tibet, and we all know how that worked out.
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7156
Andaluciae
11-09-2006, 20:33
Or South Korea, for that matter. China believes that Korea is just a part of China. Of course, the last time there was a fuss about what land areas of "China" would go in Chinese textbooks, it was about Tibet, and we all know how that worked out.
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7156
Like I've said, the national rivalries that exist in that region are like a powderkeg. Just like the Balkans were nearly a century ago.
Republica de Tropico
11-09-2006, 20:34
Or South Korea, for that matter. China believes that Korea is just a part of China. Of course, the last time there was a fuss about what land areas of "China" would go in Chinese textbooks, it was about Tibet, and we all know how that worked out.
In the case of Tibet, I'm pretty sure it worked out that the western world collectively shrugged it's shoulders and said, "Oh well."
But both Koreas have a lot better chance at self-defense than Tibet ever did.
Yootopia
11-09-2006, 20:35
Or South Korea, for that matter. China believes that Korea is just a part of China. Of course, the last time there was a fuss about what land areas of "China" would go in Chinese textbooks, it was about Tibet, and we all know how that worked out.
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7156
Urmm yes.. it went "*whistles* KERBLAMMO" a Tibet was taken over... what are you trying to say here?
New Burmesia
11-09-2006, 20:37
Nah, the Chinese already have problems with NK immigration and won't want to bear the huge cost of building NK. Even NK wouldn't be happy about it either, methinks.
Dododecapod
11-09-2006, 20:39
Or South Korea, for that matter. China believes that Korea is just a part of China. Of course, the last time there was a fuss about what land areas of "China" would go in Chinese textbooks, it was about Tibet, and we all know how that worked out.
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7156
DK, have you ever seen a map of what China technically claims? If they went for it they'd be at war with the US, Russia, and India simultaneously. As well as Japan, Malaysia, Indonesia...
Andaluciae
11-09-2006, 20:42
DK, have you ever seen a map of what China technically claims? If they went for it they'd be at war with the US, Russia, and India simultaneously. As well as Japan, Malaysia, Indonesia...
...Vietnam...
New Burmesia
11-09-2006, 20:43
DK, have you ever seen a map of what China technically claims? If they went for it they'd be at war with the US, Russia, and India simultaneously. As well as Japan, Malaysia, Indonesia...
Really? I know Taiwan (ROC) claims bits of India, Pakistan, Myanmar, Russia, Japan and and all of Mongolia, but I thought the Mainland had just got a dispute with Japan/India/Pakistan.
DK, have you ever seen a map of what China technically claims? If they went for it they'd be at war with the US, Russia, and India simultaneously. As well as Japan, Malaysia, Indonesia...
Do you have a link to it?
...Vietnam...
Yeah, but they got their asses handed to them when the Ming invaded in the 15th century...I think they know better than to try to annex Annam again.
Dododecapod
11-09-2006, 20:54
Do you have a link to it?
No, only hardcopy. I'll admit, it might be a little out of date, made in 1989.
China makes a distinction between what they call "legal claims" (ie, what they're currently claiming as part of the People's Republic) and "traditional claims" (what they feel they should own but aren't wiling to push for - yet).
The map is of the "traditional claims" of China. Basically it extends from Western India to Alaska, inclusive. Which is ridiculous, of course, since traditional China covered only Modern China, the Korean peninsula, and Okinawa; but it makes for great propaganda when China decides to annex a smaller neighbour; "Oh, we aren't invading Nepal, we're just recovering the traditionally chinese territory that we always had a right to."
Andaluciae
11-09-2006, 20:56
Yeah, but they got their asses handed to them when the Ming invaded in the 15th century...I think they know better than to try to annex Annam again.
And again in the seventies.
The Vietnamese are damn good at fending off invaders, and of all the foreign powers to have fought in Vietnam, the US did, arguably, the best job of any foreign power in that country.
Andaluciae
11-09-2006, 20:58
No, only hardcopy. I'll admit, it might be a little out of date, made in 1989.
China makes a distinction between what they call "legal claims" (ie, what they're currently claiming as part of the People's Republic) and "traditional claims" (what they feel they should own but aren't wiling to push for - yet).
The map is of the "traditional claims" of China. Basically it extends from Western India to Alaska, inclusive. Which is ridiculous, of course, since traditional China covered only Modern China, the Korean peninsula, and Okinawa; but it makes for great propaganda when China decides to annex a smaller neighbour; "Oh, we aren't invading Nepal, we're just recovering the traditionally chinese territory that we always had a right to."
Sounds shockingly Lebensraumish to me.
Dododecapod
11-09-2006, 21:02
Sounds shockingly Lebensraumish to me.
Same concept, basically. In both cases we're talking about an unabashedly expansionist nation. The only difference is that the PRC has been introduced to the concept of patience.
Andaluciae
11-09-2006, 21:06
Same concept, basically. In both cases we're talking about an unabashedly expansionist nation. The only difference is that the PRC has been introduced to the concept of patience.
Are they waiting for the Russian missiles to rust into nothingness? Because that really seems to be the only way they can get into some of their claims.
Dododecapod
11-09-2006, 21:11
Are they waiting for the Russian missiles to rust into nothingness? Because that really seems to be the only way they can get into some of their claims.
Maybe. Or Siberia becomes a breakaway republic, ripe for subverting and absorption. Or some smartaleck discovers a way to neutralize nuclear weaponry...
They may just figure that once they get all the southern stuff they'll be so big no one will dare oppose them when they make the claim.
New Granada
11-09-2006, 21:39
Why would china want to annex North Korea's problems?
Short of exterminating the koreans, it would be hard for even china to subdue the nation of Religious Kimilsungism.
Edwardis
11-09-2006, 21:40
No, only hardcopy. I'll admit, it might be a little out of date, made in 1989.
China makes a distinction between what they call "legal claims" (ie, what they're currently claiming as part of the People's Republic) and "traditional claims" (what they feel they should own but aren't wiling to push for - yet).
The map is of the "traditional claims" of China. Basically it extends from Western India to Alaska, inclusive. Which is ridiculous, of course, since traditional China covered only Modern China, the Korean peninsula, and Okinawa; but it makes for great propaganda when China decides to annex a smaller neighbour; "Oh, we aren't invading Nepal, we're just recovering the traditionally chinese territory that we always had a right to."
Kinda sounds like Hitler with the Sudetenland.
New Granada
11-09-2006, 21:40
Maybe. Or Siberia becomes a breakaway republic, ripe for subverting and absorption. Or some smartaleck discovers a way to neutralize nuclear weaponry...
They may just figure that once they get all the southern stuff they'll be so big no one will dare oppose them when they make the claim.
And maybe they just know that keeping up measured pressure is good for them politically and economically.
Andaluciae
11-09-2006, 21:40
Why would china want to annex North Korea's problems?
Short of exterminating the koreans, it would be hard for even china to subdue the nation of Religious Kimilsungism.
Something tells me that exterminating the NK's wouldn't bother the government of the PRC in the slightest.
New Granada
11-09-2006, 21:42
Something tells me that exterminating the NK's wouldn't bother the government of the PRC in the slightest.
North Korea is worth more as a loose cannon than as a wasteland. It has nothing that china cannot already get cheaply from them.
North Korea is worth more as a loose cannon than as a wasteland. It has nothing that china cannot already get cheaply from them.
Ego
New Granada
11-09-2006, 21:46
Ego
Nope.
If china based its foreign policy on 'ego' it wouldnt be where it is today. At any rate, the DPRK's system of starvation and slavery must already edify the chinese ego to no end. You familiar with oriental racism?
Sel Appa
11-09-2006, 21:52
Or South Korea, for that matter. China believes that Korea is just a part of China. Of course, the last time there was a fuss about what land areas of "China" would go in Chinese textbooks, it was about Tibet, and we all know how that worked out.
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7156
And I think China is one of the evil empires of the world...no offense to Chinese people. I love China...:)...well the people.
Marrakech II
11-09-2006, 23:57
And I think China is one of the evil empires of the world...no offense to Chinese people. I love China...:)...well the people.
Problem with this statement is that you really can't seperate the people from the governement over there. The government is so massive that it is the people. So to say the government is evil is to say the people on a large scale are evil. Brainwashing in China is a sport. Go visit and talk politics. You will see.