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The movie's 2 years old, but I still haven't seen it. I'm no fan of Moore, but after all the irreparable damage the Bush Maladministration has done, I think the movie warrants an open-minded look.

Who here has seen it? Was it good, bad, etc., and why?

The movie's 2 years old, but I still haven't seen it. I'm no fan of Moore, but after all the irreparable damage the Bush Maladministration has done, I think the movie warrants an open-minded look.

Who here has seen it? Was it good, bad, etc., and why?

If you don't mind what Moore himself has called "entertainment", and in no way a factual documentary, then by all means, go and see it.

It's got more fallacious and false information in it than anything true.

See it. There's nothing in there that you don't already know, more than likely. The wingnuts around here will no doubt bleat about some inaccuracies--which, to my knowledge are differences of opinion and interpretation, not fact, though I quit worrying about that two years ago. But I doubt anything you see in the film will be a surprise.

See it. There's nothing in there that you don't already know, more than likely. The wingnuts around here will no doubt bleat about some inaccuracies--which, to my knowledge are differences of opinion and interpretation, not fact, though I quit worrying about that two years ago. But I doubt anything you see in the film will be a surprise.

Funny, Moore himself says it's not fact.

My problem with F9/11 isn't that it's bad, or even that some of it is untrue. My problem with it is that it uses gross exagerations and unfair quote chopping to paint a picture that could be very easily painted using only honest sources. In the end, the effect of the documentary is to inadvertantly discredit the President's political opposition.
If you want to see it, then by all means watch it. It's entertaining, but it was a step in the wrong direction for people who want the current administration held accountable.

I like Fahrenheit 9/11. I'd say it was a very good critical essay in a film format.

(Note: I'm no fan of Bush and I'm not from the United States).

We could argue wether Fahrenheit 9/11 is true of just some fake movie. We can't however argue about the fact it's just a big movie of US bashing. I am in no way a particular US fan but I think that movie was made for only one reason, to go bash the states.

We could argue wether Fahrenheit 9/11 is true of just some fake movie. We can't however argue about the fact it's just a big movie of US bashing. I am in no way a particular US fan but I think that movie was made for only one reason, to go bash the states.

If you've seen Moore's filmography, he bashes everyone, if there's money to be made in the bashing.

He had a TV show before that, and spent plenty of time bashing Clinton as "The Best Republican President Since Ronald Reagan".

We could argue wether Fahrenheit 9/11 is true of just some fake movie. We can't however argue about the fact it's just a big movie of US bashing. I am in no way a particular US fan but I think that movie was made for only one reason, to go bash the states.

I wouldn't say it bashed the USA so much that it bashed the Bush family, and the Bush administration at the time. I found the film heavy handed myself. But if its purpose was to cause debate, then it was a successful film. In that respect, it helped the USA look more carefully at the events that led up to, and followed from, 9/11.

It's a non-funny, heavily edited, ethically questionable bit of nothing. Don't bother.

Go see something that he did that is funny, even though it's still going to be heavily edited and ethically questionable. Like Bowling for Columbine. I disagreed with the films conclusions, but it got to be pretty damn funny at times. F9/11 didn't do that. It put me to sleep.

It is a heavily biased, selectively referenced, unreliable, inflammatory piece of crap. Thats why I love Moore. Seriously, F911 wasn't as good as BfC but it is the same kind of thing, if not a little less honest. What ticks all of the republicans and conservatives off is that he uses the same techniques of misinformation and arguementative fallacy that they use. And he does it better. And deliberately. I always had the idea that he was doing it on purpose, not only to slander the ultra-right scumbags, but also to expose them and their tactics through demonstration. It is rather obvious. It would be odd if it wasn't the point...

Meh, it was nothing special. Same old points put into convenient movie form. IMHO, Moore hasn't made anything special since Canadian Bacon.

The movie's 2 years old, but I still haven't seen it. I'm no fan of Moore, but after all the irreparable damage the Bush Maladministration has done, I think the movie warrants an open-minded look.

Who here has seen it? Was it good, bad, etc., and why?
I half-watched it on Saturday.;) .
I prefer 'George and Me/I(???)'

If you don't mind what Moore himself has called "entertainment", and in no way a factual documentary, then by all means, go and see it.

It's got more fallacious and false information in it than anything true.

+1

If you've seen Moore's filmography, he bashes everyone, if there's money to be made in the bashing.

He had a TV show before that, and spent plenty of time bashing Clinton as "The Best Republican President Since Ronald Reagan".
'The Awful Truth'.;)

Yeah.. I gotta see the 911 documentary too.. as soon as I find the time..

this week should be appropriate.. 911 is all over the news..

in no way a factual documentary

True ... he does make the mistake of calling George Bush "President" on numerous occasions.

My problem with F9/11 isn't that it's bad, or even that some of it is untrue. My problem with it is that it uses gross exagerations and unfair quote chopping to paint a picture that could be very easily painted using only honest sources. In the end, the effect of the documentary is to inadvertantly discredit the President's political opposition.
If you want to see it, then by all means watch it. It's entertaining, but it was a step in the wrong direction for people who want the current administration held accountable.

I agree with you, the usual meadia trick of cutting right to put across your POV is used greatly, and sad to say that sort of disgusted me. It's like right just give me all of the facts and then let me make my own mind up, instead of trying to spoon feed me your shmuck!

There's a bit in Farenheit 9/11 where Moore effectively compares the entire Saudi nation to Osama bin Laden, he criticises the administration for not banning Saudi nationals entry into the USA. That's just racist, and once I heard what he was saying, (effectively, he is willing to incite hatred against an innocent group just to get at his enemies), I lost all respect for his viewpoint.

Farenhype 9/11 is about 20% truth and 80% garbage. It's not worth wasting your hard earned dollar on. I'm a Democrat and I don't much care for Bush. But I saw right through most of Moore's bs. I thought it was awful how he exploited a fallen soldier's mother. If you have to watch a Moore movie, watch Bowling for Columbine. I thought it was better than Farenheight.

The movie's 2 years old, but I still haven't seen it. I'm no fan of Moore, but after all the irreparable damage the Bush Maladministration has done, I think the movie warrants an open-minded look.

Who here has seen it? Was it good, bad, etc., and why?

It seemed to me to be mostly aimed at stirring emotion rather than presenting facts.

Meh, it was nothing special. Same old points put into convenient movie form. IMHO, Moore hasn't made anything special since Canadian Bacon.

That was a good movie.

It seemed to me to be mostly aimed at stirring emotion rather than presenting facts.

And not being funny either, an unforgivable sin.

If you don't mind what Moore himself has called "entertainment", and in no way a factual documentary, then by all means, go and see it.

It's got more fallacious and false information in it than anything true.

Well, yes. True things, by definition, have less false things in them.

However, Farenheit 9/11 has a lot more truth in it than "Path to 9/11" which people are buying as fact and which has billed itself as "the official true story" even if since having redacted that statement in typical neocon non-redactal way.

Farenhype 9/11 is about 20% truth and 80% garbage. It's not worth wasting your hard earned dollar on. I'm a Democrat and I don't much care for Bush. But I saw right through most of Moore's bs. I thought it was awful how he exploited a fallen soldier's mother. If you have to watch a Moore movie, watch Bowling for Columbine. I thought it was better than Farenheight.

Are you trying to mock the Moore movie with a parody name? Because there is a movie called Farenhype 9/11. It's a neocon movie narrated by Ron Silver.

It was hilariously advertised on Air America Radio as "available exclusivly at overstock.com." Do you know what it means when something is only available at overstock.com? It means that other stores couldn't give that shit away. And even shit commands a price as fertilizer. Seriously, the movie would have been worth more if it was a blank DVD-RW.

your question was answered by the amount of bushites who dont want you to see it.

do.

its a damning indictment of years of failed US policy

I like Fahrenheit 9/11. I'd say it was a very good critical essay in a film format.

(Note: I'm no fan of Bush and I'm not from the United States).

Oh. Well that must mean you're a communist. Because we all know that liberalism has a stranglehold on the rest of the world except for Texas which radiates conservatism like a radioactive pellet in a cancer patient's infected prostate.

Moore did a hack job on Bowling for Columbine. He also falisfiied history by linking the NRA to the KKK. I also saw F-9/11, and Moore did the same hack job and falsying information. Moore also bad mouths us when he's oversea or in Canada. Not exactly a man I respect and would pay to go see his film.

If you should rent F-9/11 though, you should also rent "Moore Hates America".

Farenhype 9/11 is about 20% truth and 80% garbage. It's not worth wasting your hard earned dollar on. I'm a Democrat and I don't much care for Bush. But I saw right through most of Moore's bs. I thought it was awful how he exploited a fallen soldier's mother. If you have to watch a Moore movie, watch Bowling for Columbine. I thought it was better than Farenheight.

Fahrenhype 9/11 was an actual video documentary made in response to the inaccuracies and outright lies raised in Michael Moore's film. Not sure how many people saw it, though. Actual facts are usually so much less interesting than sensationalistic trash and personal aggrandizement.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/preston200410200837.asp

Farenhype 9/11 is about 20% truth and 80% garbage. It's not worth wasting your hard earned dollar on. I'm a Democrat and I don't much care for Bush. But I saw right through most of Moore's bs. I thought it was awful how he exploited a fallen soldier's mother. If you have to watch a Moore movie, watch Bowling for Columbine. I thought it was better than Farenheight.

Actually Bowling for Columbine is just as bad as F-9/11.

Actually Bowling for Columbine is just as bad as F-9/11.

Worse. It won an "award".

Funny, Moore himself says it's not fact.

No, he doesn't (http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=16).

Moore has called it an op-ed piece.

No, he doesn't (http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/f911reader/index.php?id=16).

He just refuses to acknowledge detractors and deletes thier information from his website.

http://www.newsfly.org/news/moorecensor.htm

And, like his movies, only presents a small percentage of the facts.

http://www.slimindustries.com/~bowling/fahrenheit911/sept11.htm

Spoiler Warning: Plot and/or ending details follow

The movie begins with a conspiracy theory about the election being rigged by a secret alliance of Bush and Fox News. The film continues by showing Bush not behind a desk doing work before 9/11 including Bush playing golf, fishing, and feeding his dog. This is all proves he somehow set up 9/11, but there's more. Then the film shows heroic reporters heroicly heckling Bush. This proves something somehow though no one except Moore is entirely sure what. The film then segues into the September 11th attacks, refraining to show any direct visual material, opting instead on a blank screen, and relying solely on sounds. When the film resumes showing footage, the footage is solely of the bystanders and survivors, with no direct images of the aircraft impacts or the World Trade Center towers. The film then exposes how Bush sat in a classroom while the country was under attack, thus somehow proving that he set up 9/11. The film also exposes the secret ties between the Bush family and administration and the Taliban and Iraq. This is further proof that he set up 9/11.

"Moore" to come. Maybe.

It's a propaganda film. Kinda like the stuff on Infowars or the like.

Actually Bowling for Columbine is just as bad as F-9/11.

Bowling had one redeeming feature though. It was irreverent, and a bit funny. Fahrenheit 9/11 was neither.

I thought Super Columbine Massacre RPG was more fun than Bowling for Columbine.

Fahrenhype 9/11 was an actual video documentary made in response to the inaccuracies and outright lies raised in Michael Moore's film. Not sure how many people saw it, though. Actual facts are usually so much less interesting than sensationalistic trash and personal aggrandizement.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/preston200410200837.asp

Hence the popularity of FOX news and the obscurity of Democracy Now, and NOW on PBS. To say nothing of The 9/11 Timeline. (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project)

And FYI, nothing featuring Anne Coulter can be credited with "Actual Fact."

He just refuses to acknowledge detractors and deletes thier information from his website.

http://www.newsfly.org/news/moorecensor.htm

And, like his movies, only presents a small percentage of the facts.

http://www.slimindustries.com/~bowling/fahrenheit911/sept11.htm

Which is entierly unlike network news or the 24 infotainment guys.

Oh. Well that must mean you're a communist. Because we all know that liberalism has a stranglehold on the rest of the world except for Texas which radiates conservatism like a radioactive pellet in a cancer patient's infected prostate.
Nope. In fact my good man, you've made some erroneous mistakes. First off, you don't even ask about my economics and you boldly, rudely and presumptuously jump to that conclusion.

Apparently, you didn't even bother asking, my good man. I'm a Keynesian, and I don't believe that communism can ever work thanks to the fact that Marx totally ignored ambition. And also, if it did work, a true communist nation and spread all over the world, would be the official definition of the word "oppression."

Basically, don't be presumptuous and don't jump to conclusions, mate.

He just refuses to acknowledge detractors and deletes thier information from his website.

http://www.newsfly.org/news/moorecensor.htm

And, like his movies, only presents a small percentage of the facts.

http://www.slimindustries.com/~bowling/fahrenheit911/sept11.htm

He would make a fine President then!

Bowling had one redeeming feature though. It was irreverent, and a bit funny. Fahrenheit 9/11 was neither.

Yea, but to say that the NRA and KKK are connected is just stupid. Trust me, Moore did the same hack job and mixing up speeches to make the NRA look bad etc. I'll give you an example. After one of the shootings, Moore shows Charleston Heston talking in the NRA meeting. He made it look like that the NRA moved into town a week after the shooting and said a bunch of mean stuff. However, what Moore left out was this was actually the annual NRA meeting in [b]New York{/b], which by New York Law they must hold. The meeting just happened to fall a week after the shooting.

As for Charleston speech, well Moore did a hack job on that too. He cut up the speech so bad and strung diffrent parts of the speech together to make it look like Charleston was saying bad things. When in fact he was giving the annual speech that he gives at these meeting. That's just one of the many hack jobs Moore did on Bowling for Columbine.

Go rent "Moore Hates America" you'll see what he did.