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1. We testify that there is no god but Allah and we testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.

2.We recognize "(He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things)." 42:11.

3. We stand for religious expression in schools including the right to study the holy Qu'ran.

4. We stand for a fair economic system with moderate taxes and workers rights.

5. We believe in a society where governance is largely based on Sharia law.

6. We stand with our Muslim brothers and sisters where ever they are threaten around the world.

7. We reject terrorism done in the name of Islam as such actions are against Islam.

8. We oppose the illegal occupation of Palestine and we will work to free the Palestinians.

9. We oppose the war and occupation of Iraq and call for the coalition forces to leave.

10. We reject western imperialism and influence as it corrupts and leads people away from Allah.

members: soviestan, Call to power

-snip-

Hello George Galloway!

*sits down on lawn chair, bucket of popcorn in hand*

let the flames begin.

Is this a real party or another "create a party based on someone else's beliefs"?

Is this a real party or another "create a party based on someone else's beliefs"?

its a real party.

Hehehe. *Sits back*

*sits down on lawn chair, bucket of popcorn in hand*

let the flames begin.

Yes, I suspect this will get ugly fast..

Yes, I suspect this will get ugly fast..

why, whats wrong with it?

its a real party.

Hmmm: The Atheist Republic of Soviestan ... Atheist Empire - I think that answers my question.

why, whats wrong with it?

Well most people on this board will jump down religion's throat, and even those that won't might still scream and leap at the mention of Islam.

you have my vote

why, whats wrong with it?

heres a hint: it starts with an I and ends the the word slam.


BTW: who will be the delegate? Cat Stev-er, Yusef Islam?

Hmmm: - I think that answers my question.

Thats just a title, it doesn't mean anything

you have my vote

awesome, thanks

I wonder if DK will join this one?

I wonder if DK will join this one?

I think the irony generated by that action would crash the forums.

I'll vote for you!

Wait... I forgot that I support freedom of religion and equality for women and equal rights for homosexuals.

Never mind.

I think the irony generated by that action would crash the known universe.

Edited for accuracy.

you mention palestine, whats your stance on israel?

I'll vote for you!

Wait... I forgot that I support freedom of religion and equality for women and equal rights for homosexuals.

Never mind.


What makes you so sure the party will be against freedom of religion, and equality for women and homosexuals?

you mention palestine, whats your stance on israel?
As much as we would like to see the Zionists leave Muslim lands, it will most likely not happen. We want peace with Israel but only and after the end their illegal occupation and allow for a Palestinian state.

with occupation ending = a return to 1967 line and dividing jerusalem?

just info i'm not about to take this on a ballistic pro-zionist rant.

I wonder if DK will join this one?

Tempting. It's either this, or form the Anarcho-Christian Militant Bisexual Party.

Tempting. It's either this, or form the Anarcho-Christian Militant Bisexual Party.

you should this one:)

Tempting. It's either this, or form the Anarcho-Christian Militant Bisexual Party.

Please join DK, then I could die happy:cool:

you should this one:)

Only if I can join the militant Jihadi wing of your party.

Oh, and officially, since you don't support "terrorism", the militant jihadi wing isn't terrorist, we're just very forceful in our support of the ideals of the party.

As much as we would like to see the Zionists leave Muslim lands, it will most likely not happen. We want peace with Israel but only and after the end their illegal occupation and allow for a Palestinian state.

What justifies a Palestinian state?

What justifies a Palestinian state?

Nothing. But the way the world's rules work, no one needs a justification for anything anymore.

Only if I can join the militant Jihadi wing of your party.

yes, of course. You in?

Oh, and officially, since you don't support "terrorism", the militant jihadi wing isn't terrorist, we're just very forceful in our support of the ideals of the party.

gotcha;)

I think the irony generated by that action would crash the forums.

realisticly dk would not join the party.In fact he may set up an anti isamic party in response.
I shall think of voting for this party(but maybe not,I have muslim cousins but am not a muslim myself)

What makes you so sure the party will be against freedom of religion, and equality for women and homosexuals?

exactly,just like you shouldnt assume that a christian party wants to lynch homosexuals.Its just a generalisation.

gotcha;)

Hey, every party needs a militant wing they can disclaim.

What makes you so sure the party will be against freedom of religion, and equality for women and homosexuals?

Because [5] says that governance will be based on shari'a. And shari'a places extreme punishments on apostasy, homosexuality, and does not recognise gender equality.

1. We testify that there is no god but Allah and we testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.
2.We recognize "(He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things)." 42:11.
3. We stand for religious expression in schools including the right to study the holy Qu'ran.
4. We stand for a fair economic system with moderate taxes and workers rights.
5. We believe in a society where governance is largely based on Sharia law.
6. We stand with our Muslim brothers and sisters where ever they are threaten around the world.
7. We reject terrorism done in the name of Islam as such actions are against Islam.
8. We oppose the illegal occupation of Palestine and we will work to free the Palestinians.
9. We oppose the war and occupation of Iraq and call for the coalition forces to leave.
10. We reject western imperialism and influence as it corrupts and leads people away from Allah.
members: soviestan, Call to power

few questions.
point3. does that include the right of other religions to study their own religious doctrines?
4. does that include women?
7. only terrorism in the name of islam? Why not terrorism in general?
8 + 9. what alternative does this party wish to implement?
10. ??? would it not make more sense to embrace it and modify it?

What justifies a Palestinian state?
The cause of peace? I'm sure you think that they're scum who deserve no rights or some such.

realisticly dk would not join the party.In fact he may set up an anti isamic party in response.
I shall think of voting for this party(but maybe not,I have muslim cousins but am not a muslim myself)
would you be interested in joining the party?

few questions.
point3. does that include the right of other religions to study their own religious doctrines?
Yes, so long as they don't oppress Muslims
4. does that include women?
yes
7. only terrorism in the name of islam? Why not terrorism in general?
we reject terrorism. that said what people consider terrorism differs for all people.
8 + 9. what alternative does this party wish to implement?
Pull out now. Give the Palestinians a state
10. ??? would it not make more sense to embrace it and modify it?

no.

5. We believe in a society where governance is largely based on Sharia law.


Like a society where a raped woman has to provide 4 pious male muslim witnesses to prove the crime else she gets docked for slandering ?

Where the man can divorce his wife/wives by just saying "talaq, talaq, talaq" and can also avoid giving alimony?

Where small time thiefs get amputed while big time crooks get the mullahs to sanctify their actions as islamic?

Where gays will be stoned and Paedophiles can legally marry 9 years olds?

I wish to have no part in such a society/party.

Like a society where a raped woman has to provide 4 pious male muslim witnesses to prove the crime else she gets docked for slandering ?

Where the man can divorce his wife/wives by just saying "talaq, talaq, talaq" and can also avoid giving alimony?

Where small time thiefs get amputed while big time crooks get the mullahs to sanctify their actions as islamic?

Where gays will be stoned and Paedophiles can legally marry 9 years olds?

I wish to have no part in such a society/party.

Don't forget that people on the Left usually say, "oh, that's fine! because there's no such thing as a moral standard..."

Where the man can divorce his wife/wives by just saying "talaq, talaq, talaq" and can also avoid giving alimony?


In my country, when we want to break up with a woman, we simply walk up to them and say, "I break with thee, I break with thee, I break with thee," and then we throw dog poop on their shoes.

Then, at night, we go to the bars and we look for the women with the dog poop on their shoes. :)

In my country, when we want to break up with a woman, we simply walk up to them and say, "I break with thee, I break with thee, I break with thee," and then we throw dog poop on their shoes.

Then, at night, we go to the bars and we look for the women with the dog poop on their shoes. :)

That's the problem with California. Here in Virginia, we married men and women go out and fuck whoever we want to, without breaking up.

Cuts down on the smell of dog poop.

1. We testify that there is no god but Allah and we testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.

2.We recognize "(He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things)." 42:11.

3. We stand for religious expression in schools including the right to study the holy Qu'ran.

4. We stand for a fair economic system with moderate taxes and workers rights.

5. We believe in a society where governance is largely based on Sharia law.

6. We stand with our Muslim brothers and sisters where ever they are threaten around the world.

7. We reject terrorism done in the name of Islam as such actions are against Islam.

8. We oppose the illegal occupation of Palestine and we will work to free the Palestinians.

9. We oppose the war and occupation of Iraq and call for the coalition forces to leave.

10. We reject western imperialism and influence as it corrupts and leads people away from Allah.

members: soviestan, Call to power

"society where governance is largely based on Sharia law"? So we kill people for apostacy and for minor crimes do we? Fuck that.

Edit: Read Aryavartha's post above!

Because [5] says that governance will be based on shari'a. And shari'a places extreme punishments on apostasy, homosexuality, and does not recognise gender equality.

Yes, most Sharia law systems do that kind of thing....but sharia is based on the Q'uran, and like the Q'uran it can be interpretted differently....

Don't forget that people on the Left usually say, "oh, that's fine! because there's no such thing as a moral standard..."
Hardly anyone takes cultural relativism to the extreme of accepting the destruction of basic human rights, and relativism isn't confined to the left.

Stop talking as well, you're hardly a staunch defender of human rights yourself.

Hardly anyone takes cultural relativism to the extreme of accepting the destruction of basic human rights, and relativism isn't confined to the left.

Stop talking as well, you're hardly a staunch defender of human rights yourself.

I no longer defend them staunchly, because too many Democrats have told me there is no such thing as a moral standard.

Don't forget that people on the Left usually say, "oh, that's fine! because there's no such thing as a moral standard..."

No, they don't.

No, they don't.

I keep hearing it. Usually when I point out at the town hall sessions that I'm a Christian.

Don't forget that people on the Left usually say, "oh, that's fine! because there's no such thing as a moral standard..."

We never say that. On the contrary, we parade around our self-proclaimed high moral standards.

But to be serious, that's a load of BS. I've never said that (although I have argued that a majority should not enforce relative morals on a minority) and neither have I heard it been said. Hint: right-wing hyperbole isn't always true.

We never say that. On the contrary, we parade around our self-proclaimed high moral standards.

But to be serious, that's a load of BS. I've never said that (although I have argued that a majority should not enforce relative morals on a minority) and neither have I heard it been said. Hint: right-wing hyperbole isn't always true.

I'ev been told on numerous occasions by local Democratic politicians that everything is morally relative, and there are no moral standards, and that it is unwise to even consider them when making judgment on any topic.

I keep hearing it. Usually when I point out at the town hall sessions that I'm a Christian.

It is meant in a different sense in that context. Standards of personal morality might be objected to on the grounds that they conflict with individual rights.

I'ev been told on numerous occasions by local Democratic politicians that everything is morally relative, and there are no moral standards, and that it is unwise to even consider them when making judgment on any topic.

Well, we don't have a Democratic party over here, but they hardly count as mainstream left, or even probably mainstream Democratic opinion.

I guess you're a better judge of Virginian local politicians than I am though.:eek:

Yes, most Sharia law systems do that kind of thing....but sharia is based on the Q'uran, and like the Q'uran it can be interpretted differently....

ALL interpretations of Sharia SUCK.

ALL interpretations of Sharia SUCK.

says you

says you

You mean to say stuff like "a raped woman has to provide 4 pious male muslim witnesses to prove the crime else she gets docked for slandering", "divorcing by triple talaq", "amputation for petty crimes", "stoning for woman committing zina, gays etc", "legal sanction to paedophilia" etc don't suck and are fine with you.

Good to know where you stand on this.

As usual, when it comes to topics concering Islam, I agree with Aryavartha and Deep Kimchi, though Aryavartha has a way of putting things that sound slightly more intelligent and arnt followed by a series of flame wars, not that that would be DK's problem.;)

we only need one person to join. come on people

we only need one person to join. come on peopleFuck sharia, fuck any political party that advocates it, and fuck any nation that bases it's laws on it. Fucking primitive savages.

Fuck sharia, fuck any political party that advocates it, and fuck any nation that bases it's laws on it. Fucking primitive savages.

tell me how you really feel

Fuck sharia, fuck any political party that advocates it, and fuck any nation that bases it's laws on it. Fucking primitive savages.

*waits for Gauthier to get upset at DCD*

tell me how you really feel

Sorry, I can't. I don't want to get banned from the forums.

Fuck sharia, fuck any political party that advocates it, and fuck any nation that bases it's laws on it. Fucking primitive savages.

My thoughts exactly. The other things arent so bad, but governence based on sharia law? We might as well cover the country with napalm.

5. We believe in a society where governance is largely based on Sharia law.


SCUM:sniper:

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I keep hearing it. Usually when I point out at the town hall sessions that I'm a Christian.

First you claimed to be amoral, now you claim to be a Christian.

Flip. Flop.

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First you claimed to be amoral, now you claim to be a Christian.

Flip. Flop.

Here's your sign...

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Here's your sign...

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:rolleyes:

Oooooh...

Fuck sharia, fuck any political party that advocates it, and fuck any nation that bases it's laws on it. Fucking primitive savages.

Many people take a prescriptive stance to shari'a, they say this is shari'a and this is bad therefore any party supporting shari'a is bad...

If you would take a more descriptive view of shari'a you would see that Muslims around the word have very dissimilar visions of what Shari'a entails

....

You should study more and shoot less... :)

Many people take a prescriptive stance to shari'a, they say this is shari'a and this is bad therefore any party supporting shari'a is bad...

If you would take a more descriptive view of shari'a you would see that Muslims around the word have very dissimilar visions of what Shari'a entails

Laws based on religion are never good. They're prone to be unrealistic and discriminatory because they're based on faith instead of reason. Having said that, sharia has a history of being applied in a very strict manner in some countries, like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.

Laws based on religion are never good. They're prone to be unrealistic and discriminatory because they're based on faith instead of reason. Having said that, sharia has a history of being applied in a very strict manner in some countries, like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.

Yep. But it sends a mixed message when we invade one twisted religious theocracy and keep buying oil from the other.

Yep. But it sends a mixed message when we invade one twisted religious theocracy and keep buying oil from the other.

I know it. In my mind both Afghanistan and Saudi were responsible for supporting Al Qaeda in their attack on the USA. I don't like it, but short of starting my very own anti-wahabi terrorist organization, what can I do?

I know it. In my mind both Afghanistan and Saudi were responsible for supporting Al Qaeda in their attack on the USA. I don't like it, but short of starting my very own anti-wahabi terrorist organization, what can I do?

don't buy gas?

Many people take a prescriptive stance to shari'a, they say this is shari'a and this is bad therefore any party supporting shari'a is bad...


Here's my prescription to people who like Sharia. Please go live in Saudi Arabia or Iran or Pakistan and leave the rest of us alone. Anybody who supports Sharia should put their money where their mouth is and emigrate to a Shariat practicing country as soon as they can.

But I know they won't. No one does. They will remain here, supporting Shariat and saying how great it is and how "misunderstood" it is, but they won't move there. you know why? That's because they know what awaits them when they move to a Shariat country.

Internally you know how horrible you would feel if, for ex, your daughter is raped and the Shariat court lets the rapist go free because there were no pious muslim male witnesses around and shariat courts do not recognise such things as DNA testing (them being kufr inventions and all...:rolleyes: ) ....but then you have no problems coming here and saying how we are not taking a "more descriptive view".


If you would take a more descriptive view of shari'a you would see that Muslims around the word have very dissimilar visions of what Shari'a entails

Pray describe this "more descriptive view" to us. Yeah, many muslims in many countries swear by Shariat. So? Good thing that morality is not based on popularity.

Any law system that calls for a raped woman to produce 4 male witnesses to prove her case SUCKS and that's just one example.

So here's my more descriptive view. Fuck Sharia and send anybody who supports Sharia to a Sharia based country where they can live out the horror that they prescribe for others.

don't buy gas?

Switched to a four cylinder from a V8. I've got to get to work though.

*continues to vote for the NDP!* :D

Here's my prescription to people who like Sharia. Please go live in Saudi Arabia or Iran or Pakistan and leave the rest of us alone. Anybody who supports Sharia should put their money where their mouth is and emigrate to a Shariat practicing country as soon as they can.

But I know they won't. No one does. They will remain here, supporting Shariat and saying how great it is and how "misunderstood" it is, but they won't move there. you know why? That's because they know what awaits them when they move to a Shariat country.

Internally you know how horrible you would feel if, for ex, your daughter is raped and the Shariat court lets the rapist go free because there were no pious muslim male witnesses around and shariat courts do not recognise such things as DNA testing (them being kufr inventions and all...:rolleyes: ) ....but then you have no problems coming here and saying how we are not taking a "more descriptive view".

Pray describe this "more descriptive view" to us. Yeah, many muslims in many countries swear by Shariat. So? Good thing that morality is not based on popularity.

Any law system that calls for a raped woman to produce 4 male witnesses to prove her case SUCKS and that's just one example.

So here's my more descriptive view. Fuck Sharia and send anybody who supports Sharia to a Sharia based country where they can live out the horror that they prescribe for others.

I did not intend to say that shari'a is a good thing, or that it has not got problematic parts. Neither did I condone the way the Shari'a courts in some countries deal with these cases...

I merely want to point out that Many muslims differ on what shari'a should mean in practice. And that it is a legitimate goal for a democratic party to strive for a form of Islamic law. I would not want to see Shari'a implemented in my country, nor would I want to see the death penalty implemented, however people should be free to argue their case in a democracy, and the constitutional checks and balances should protect the liberal nature of liberal democracy...

I merely want to point out that Many muslims differ on what shari'a should mean in practice.

To make an analogy, racism is wrong. But a lot of racists differ on what racism should mean in practice. So we should stop opposing racism because obviously racism means different thing to different people and different racists have different ideas of what racism should mean in practice.


And that it is a legitimate goal for a democratic party to strive for a form of Islamic law. I would not want to see Shari'a implemented in my country, nor would I want to see the death penalty implemented, however people should be free to argue their case in a democracy, and the constitutional checks and balances should protect the liberal nature of liberal democracy...

Funny, because Shariat laws are inherently undemocratic. No man has the authority to change it even if he and a majority of his fellow men know that a particular law is wrong.

Yeah people are free to make a case for Sharia and I am free to say bugger off to them.

Many people take a prescriptive stance to shari'a, they say this is shari'a and this is bad therefore any party supporting shari'a is bad...Surprisingly many people are capable of thinking...

What you're saying is no different than saying: "Many people take a prescriptive stance to racism, they say this is racism and this is bad therefore any party supporting shari'a is bad."
Which, surprisingly, is why a lot of people whould rather stab themselves in the eye with a chainsaw, than vote for the BNP. You make it sound as if it's a bad thing...

If you would take a more descriptive view of shari'a you would see that Muslims around the word have very dissimilar visions of what Shari'a entailsHow do you decide which is the right brand of injustice?

Incidentially, this Sharia bollox has nothing to do with justice. At most, it's a tool with which a governing body can bully its subjects. It's every bit as vile as nazism.

5. We believe in a society where governance is largely based on Sharia law. [emphasis mine][...] Funny, because Shariat laws are inherently undemocratic. No man has the authority to change it even if he and a majority of his fellow men know that a particular law is wrong.

Yeah people are free to make a case for Sharia and I am free to say bugger off to them. [...]How do you decide which is the right brand of injustice?

Incidentially, this Sharia bollox has nothing to do with justice. At most, it's a tool with which a governing body can bully its subjects. It's every bit as vile as nazism.

I study the Arabic language, politics, history, culture and religion, and consequently I know that Shari'a law has meant different things in different times and areas; some of these interpretations of Shari‘a are indeed against “our” liberal values. I subscribe human rights, the right of the child and the liberal nature of democracy, and would gladly discuss the merits and flaws of this system. As such, I do not consider the death penalty an example of these values, nor do I consider specific interpretations of the Shari‘a consistent with these values. Nevertheless there are viable interpretations of the Shari‘a that do not necessarily collide with these values, therefore I would argue that the harsh reactions concerning article 5 of the program of Soviestan may well be premature.

I would rather want to ask Soviestan whether he/she would want to debate his/her vision of the Shari‘a with us; I can imagine that we would be better served to debate the specific characteristics of Soviestan’s Shari‘a with respect to liberal values and see whether Soviestan has a point.

Let us first listen, then debate :)

Nevertheless there are viable interpretations of the Shari‘a that do not necessarily collide with these values

I doubt Soveistan has any knowledge of Sharia. His posts in this thread do not show that.

Let's come to your claims that "there are viable interpretations of the Shari‘a that do not necessarily collide with these values"

These values being "I subscribe human rights, the right of the child and the liberal nature of democracy"

Let's start with human rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shariah#Sharia.2C_democracy_and_human_rights
In 1998 the Turkish Constitutional Court banned and dissolved Turkey's Refah Party on the grounds that the "rules of sharia", which Refah sought to introduce, "were incompatible with the democratic regime," pointing up that "Democracy is the antithesis of sharia." On appeal by Refah the European Court of Human Rights determined that "sharia is incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy"[7][8][9] Refah's sharia based notion of a "plurality of legal systems, grounded on religion" was ruled to contravene the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms. It was determined that it would "do away with the State's role as the guarantor of individual rights and freedoms" and "infringe the principle of non-discrimination between individuals as regards their enjoyment of public freedoms, which is one of the fundamental principles of democracy". It was further ruled that

Sharia
[T]he Court considers that sharia, which faithfully reflects the dogmas and divine rules laid down by religion, is stable and invariable. Principles such as pluralism in the political sphere or the constant evolution of public freedoms have no place in it. […] It is difficult to declare one’s respect for democracy and human rights while at the same time supporting a regime based on sharia, which clearly diverges from Convention values, particularly with regard to its criminal law and criminal procedure, its rules on the legal status of women and the way it intervenes in all spheres of private and public life in accordance with religious precepts.[10]

Sharia

On the other side, legal scholar L. Ali Khan determines "that constitutional orders founded on the principles of Sharia are fully compatible with democracy, provided that religious minorities are protected and the incumbent Islamic leadership remains committed to the right to recall".[11][12] However, Christian Pippan argues, that this contradicts the political reality in most Islamic states. "While constitutional arrangements to ensure that political authority is exercised within the boundaries of Sharia vary greatly among those nations",[13] most existing models of political Islam have so far grossly failed to accept any meaningful political competition of the kind that Khan himself has identified as essential for even a limited conception of democracy. Khan, writes Pippan, dismisses verdicts as from the European Court of Human Rights or the Turkish Constitutional Court "as an expression of purely national or regional preferences."[14]

Several major, predominantly Muslim countries criticized the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) for its perceived failure to take into account the cultural and religious context of non-Western countries. Iran claimed that the UDHR was a "a secular understanding of the Judeo-Christian tradition", which could not be implemented by Muslims without trespassing the Islamic law. Therefore the Organization of the Islamic Conference adopted the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam, which diverges from the UDHR substantially, affirming Sharia as the sole source of human rights. This Declaration became severely criticized by the International Commission of Jurists for allegedly gravely threatening the inter-cultural consensus, introducing intolerable discrimination against both non-Muslims and women, the restrictive character in regard to fundamental rights and freedoms and attacking the integrity, and dignity of the human being.


So what is this Sharia that is supposedly better than the UN DHR. Please explain to me the "viable interpretations of the Shari‘a" that don't collide with the values declared in UN DHR.?

Civil matters, maybe. Sharia may have some laws regarding civil disputes that may not clash with the values that we (atleast I) hold dear.

Criminal matters?

Please explain to me what is the judicial process and punishment for these crimes in your "viable interpretations of the Shari‘a".

1. Sexual act between two consenting male adults (gay sex)

2. A non-consensual sexual act where a woman claims to be raped. Only one femal witness. DNA and medical testing is possible. What would be the outcome in this scenario.

3. 20 year old poor man steals food and gets caught.

4. Man wants to marry his fifth wife, so wants to divorce the first wife, so says the triple talaq and divorces her. The first wife is unable to support herself.

5. Man marries a 9 year old and proceeds to consummate it. The Child's brother alleges paedophilia.

I would be very grateful if you can answer the above. Please remember that you have to answer this according to "viable interpretations of the Shari‘a" that you have come across. If possible, please also give where this is being practiced and any citations if possible.

This is an affront to Christendom! All laws based on the sham of a religion that is Islam are nothing more then the cries of Satan in the modern wolrd! Amen, if you want a strong conservative truth, turn to a Catholic Theocracy! Long live the Church, may Islam be crushed into the ground!

This is an affront to Christendom! All laws based on the sham of a religion that is Islam are nothing more then the cries of Satan in the modern wolrd! Amen, if you want a strong conservative truth, turn to a Catholic Theocracy! Long live the Church, may Islam be crushed into the ground!

Uggghhh...go away plz.

I will not be silenced! I will not rest until the Cross rises over every mosque in the world! I will not sleep until the Word of God has been spread to every corner of the world! All who would oppose me, be warned! Christ does not allow his follerw to fail, I am the last crusader, the zeal of old is not dead!

1. We testify that there is no god but Allah and we testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.

2.We recognize "(He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things)." 42:11.

3. We stand for religious expression in schools including the right to study the holy Qu'ran.

4. We stand for a fair economic system with moderate taxes and workers rights.

5. We believe in a society where governance is largely based on Sharia law.

6. We stand with our Muslim brothers and sisters where ever they are threaten around the world.

7. We reject terrorism done in the name of Islam as such actions are against Islam.

8. We oppose the illegal occupation of Palestine and we will work to free the Palestinians.

9. We oppose the war and occupation of Iraq and call for the coalition forces to leave.

10. We reject western imperialism and influence as it corrupts and leads people away from Allah.

members: soviestan, Call to power

I disagree with the basis being Islam. But I do agree with the basis being a religion. So, curses and blessings. :p

Islam has NO CLAIM AT ALL to ANYTHING! The phrophet was a power-hungry psychotic tyrant who used the guillible Arabs to take control! He had many, many young lovers, but Islam cliams to be "morally upstanding". Yeah right. Christendom will not allow this vile "faith" to last much longer, stand down Islam, or prepare for a glorious new crusade, and this time, MECCA WILL BURN!

Islam has NO CLAIM AT ALL to ANYTHING! The phrophet was a power-hungry psychotic tyrant who used the guillible Arabs to take control! He had many, many young lovers, but Islam cliams to be "morally upstanding". Yeah right. Christendom will not allow this vile "faith" to last much longer, stand down Islam, or prepare for a glorious new crusade, and this time, MECCA WILL BURN!

I think you're out of line. That's just my opinion.

Do I think that the Muslims have claim? No, but I don't go planning to wipe Mecca off the map! If you are truly speaking of Christianity, where's the love?

Be intolerant of actions, thoughts, ideas, policy, etc. But love people. And there will be no Crusade, at least not on my part, unless it is to protect those who are unjustly being Crusaded against.

I think you're out of line. That's just my opinion.

Do I think that the Muslims have claim? No, but I don't go planning to wipe Mecca off the map! If you are truly speaking of Christianity, where's the love?

Be intolerant of actions, thoughts, ideas, policy, etc. But love people. And there will be no Crusade, at least not on my part, unless it is to protect those who are unjustly being Crusaded against.

It's the same love shown to pagans, apostates and witches.

It's just that 9/11 made it a fashion statement to declare Muslims The Enemy that need to be exterminated. If Muslims as a whole are ever wiped out, we won't have Peace and the United Federation of Planets like the Islamicidal crowd are deluded into thinking. We'll just have another religious group selected as The Enemy.

And they say Scientology is obcessed with destroying enemies.

It's the same love shown to pagans, apostates and witches.

It's just that 9/11 made it a fashion statement to declare Muslims The Enemy that need to be exterminated. If Muslims as a whole are ever wiped out, we won't have Peace and the United Federation of Planets like the Islamicidal crowd are deluded into thinking. We'll just have another religious group selected as The Enemy.

And they say Scientology is obcessed with destroying enemies.

So you were being sarcastisc?