NationStates Jolt Archive

What do you think about strong central goverments and seperations from goverments, peaceful or not? Do they benefit human rights, peace, trade etc. or do they make things complicated start wars and rise tensions and cause unforseeable results, chaos?

Do you believe the seperations taking place in Europe will be beneficial or not? There are many examples like Africa, middle east, america(texas wanting independence etc.) and nearly all the countries of world. Some of them are about ethnicity some of them are about religion or politic ideals etc.

there is an ancient Chinese proverb: Divide and conquer. I believe seperation leads to weakness, weakness is an oppurtunity for stronger enemies to act and such oppurtunities lead to war. The threat of an unified country is better than many divided ones, in one of them the risks can be calculated but the other is unending guerilla war. So what Im for is the existance of strong unified world goverments and their balance of power. And Im against countless divided regions feeding chaos and terror leading to unending war.

I believe in unity for peace and prosperity, not seperation. What do you believe in and to what degree? As in many other places I have told, I don't believe or think in black/white western ideology(sometimes I fall for that I must admit) but I think and believe in a spectrum of grey. Its not ''to be or not to be'' for me and the admiration of this phrase thaught to children is the true poison of free thought. Saying this, I mean that details and differences of nuance does matter and this thread is not about just two fronts of Unity or seperation. They take place at both ends but there is a huge area between them.
What do you think of unity?

all countries should have a small (but democratically elected), cetralised government.

I think the best form of government is a confederacy at most and that should the majority want to leave a nation they should be able to.

An important example of separate governments is the E.U and the commonwealth the nations work together rather than in competition and are expected to look after each other (though these kinds of partnerships usually have to come from a unified history and ultimately an identification with the organization)

Do you believe the seperations taking place in Europe will be beneficial or not?

Which separations taking place in Europe?

I'd like a Unified Earth run with a Parliamentary tyoe system.

Btw TLN... do you remeber me at all?

I'd like a Unified Earth run with a Parliamentary tyoe system.

Btw TLN... do you remeber me at all?

a unified earth will never happen. too many cultures.

Which separations taking place in Europe?

Look at Spain, Catalonya is seperated now, I believe Belgium will seperate into 3 parts too and though it still has time. There is a huge difference between south and north italy that is building up and practically Italian goverment has no control over south but its hidden. Balkan countries are seperated nearly to the villages!
I dont mean all imminent seperations, along a long timeline they are taking place. Peaceful voted seperations up north but down at balkans first ethnic and religious wars.

a unified earth will never happen. too many cultures.

I disagree... The world is moving towards a Mono-Culture at a stariling rate...

How can lands stay isolated when when communicate with eachother in a matter of seconds?

They can't. It's human nature to make the pack bigger.

I disagree... The world is moving towards a Mono-Culture at a stariling rate...

How can lands stay isolated when when communicate with eachother in a matter of seconds?

They can't. It's human nature to make the pack bigger.

havingg different culture does NOT mean isolation. youve read too many of the EU's propaganda broadsheets.

a unified earth will never happen. too many cultures.

if the austrians could maintain their habsburg empire for so long without that much difficulty (until WW1) i should say a world government isn't that hard to imagine in the postmodern context (especially if no particular culture or religion is seen as superior to any other)

Balkan countries are seperated nearly to the villages!

not quite but even countries without much ethnical mixtures have segregation issues

OT: greetings all:D

European nations aren’t splitting really it is more of a mass confederacy forming as national identities disappear in the face of the E.U and liberalisation we really are losing anything holding us together apart from a common national history

I for one think this will be the model of the future with globalisation we may end up with a world of semi-autonomous regions that get smaller as they get richer

edit: greetings Nomanslanda

I'd like a Unified Earth run with a Parliamentary tyoe system.

Btw TLN... do you remeber me at all?

if I say no I will lose my chance to flirt with you ;) but seriously I believe we had a nice talk about spiritual matters didn't we?

As for the unified earth, we need huge gladitorial games added to pirate football* and ninja basketball** to keep the masses attention from goverment affairs and make them accept everything. I love rome :D

*,** made up game names supposedly with lots and lots of violance

Look at Spain, Catalonya is seperated now, I believe Belgium will seperate into 3 parts too and though it still has time. There is a huge difference between south and north italy that is building up and practically Italian goverment has no control over south but its hidden. Balkan countries are seperated nearly to the villages!
I dont mean all imminent seperations, along a long timeline they are taking place. Peaceful voted seperations up north but down at balkans first ethnic and religious wars.
its rather that the countries are losing their identity. it is for this reason that I am against the EU.

Having different cultures does NOT mean isolation. you've read too many of the EU's propaganda broadsheets.

But I can't read...

I haven't said anything about different cultures. Different cultures can exist within one nation. It's called Multi-Culturalism. America has it and Britain is getting it. And it's all working out fine.

if I say no I will lose my chance to flirt with you ;) but seriously I believe we had a nice talk about spiritual matters didn't we?

Aye, aye.

Had you disappeared for awhile or something?

America has and Britain is getting it. And it's all working out fine.

eh?

Look at Spain, Catalonya is seperated now, I believe Belgium will seperate into 3 parts too and though it still has time. There is a huge difference between south and north italy that is building up and practically Italian goverment has no control over south but its hidden. Balkan countries are seperated nearly to the villages!
I dont mean all imminent seperations, along a long timeline they are taking place. Peaceful voted seperations up north but down at balkans first ethnic and religious wars.

True. And don't forget Scotland in the UK. Political parties that favour independence from the UK (such as the SNP and SSP) are growing and are expected to increase their number of MSP's in the Scottish Parliament in May 2007.

As for my position on seperation of states and governments, I believe in national and international unity. Individual countries should have more centralized government, and there should be an International Federation sometime in the future.

a unified earth will never happen. too many cultures.

Yep... that's what people said about a peacefule Europe pre-WW I. "It'll never have peace, too many cultures."

eh?

Multiculturalism.

Yep... that's what people said about a peacefule Europe pre-WW I. "It'll never have peace, too many cultures."

Uhh, it still doesn't. islam is tearing Europe apart.

Aye, aye.

Had you disappeared for awhile or something?
I have been on holiday, working on my garden, swimming and sunbathing. Spending too much time by PC I haven't laid hand on anything electronical for a month. Thank you for noticing my absence :)

Uhh, it still doesn't. islam is tearing Europe apart.

It's *really* not...

You might as well say Christainity is tearing America apart.

Multiculturalism.

but Britain has been multicultural for thousands of years and America is just a blend of American and Spanish culture with pockets of other cultures existing in there own little areas

I think you got it the wrong way round

Uhh, it still doesn't. islam is tearing Europe apart.

where are you from exactly?

Uhh, it still doesn't. islam is tearing Europe apart.

It does?
I honestly hadn't noticed... there were a small number of attacks, actually the number of terroist attacks, less actually than there were in the 70s and 80s, with less numbers of victims, Hardly ripping anything apart.

but Britain has been multicultural for thousands of years and America is just a blend of American and Spanish culture with pockets of other cultures existing in there own little areas

I think you got it the wrong way round

Up untill the 60s there were only really 3 cultures in the UK... The Working Class, the Middle Class and the Upper Class.

That's been changing for awhile now.
But America has been built upon Immigrants from all over the World. It is innevitably going to be more diversed that the UK.

where are you from exactly?

Space Poland.

Look at Spain, Catalonya is seperated now...

Yes, it may be classified as a nation, but it remains part of Spain, much as Wales (for example) remains part of the UK. Hardly separation.

actually i will have to agree with Call to power. even if the US have more minorities and everything britain has a history of multiculturalism for as long as recorded history

I think I heard somewhere that Britain is, per capita, more diverse than America... but don't quote me on that. Anyway, both nations hold pluralism dear and that is part of the reason they are so successful.

As for the original topic. I think there is a false dichotomy here, people assume that any call for autonomy relates to a call for independence. Central governments are naturally, and rightly, suspected by their people. There are certain decisions that people want to be taken by people who actually live near them, rather than by a distant capital city.

The fact remains that while, for example, England and Scotland, or Catalonia and elsewhere in Spain may disagree on some issues, the fact is that there is more that binds them than seperates them. So, if a foreign power were to threaten Britain, its not as if Scotland and Wales would not fight to protect the entire nation.

Oh, and factcheck, the Scottish parties have been consistently losing power, support and credibility since devolution. Because, simply, Scots are content with the current situation.

all ex- empires and big countries had experiances of multi culturalism and through horrible mistakes much has been learned on how to live together. I mean the most important thing is not seeing yourself above the person you wish to live with.

actually i will have to agree with Call to power. even if the US have more minorities and everything britain has a history of multiculturalism for as long as recorded history

Yeah. The population is descended from many cultures if you think about it. Even the white folk are all descended from Romans, Saxons, Norwegians, Vikings, Celts, Picts etc.

there is an ancient Chinese proverb: Divide and conquer.

It's Roman. Anyway...

I think that any geographically definable ethnic or political group that wants to be independent, should be. By "geographically definable" I mean:

1) They live in one area, regardless of its size, so that they can have a united country.

2) They are a majority in the area, because otherwise it would be much of an independence for the others.

I agree that if the countries created this way become too small, some sort of loose confederation is needed for pooling resources for large endeavors such as defence.

I would prefer a centralised european government. the purpose of government, in principle, should be to protect the workers from unscrupulous business practices, and to protect the general public from crime. and to provide healthcare and repair roads etc. for some reason theres always one party that wants to screw everyone, and about half the people always seem to vote for them.