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According to a study by the Radboud University in Nijmegen, 23% of the respondents (738 in total) favours secession of the City of Nijmegen from Gelderland province to the bordering region of Nordrhein-Westfalen, as long as they can stay somewhat autonomous (decriminalized weed, gay marriage, bilingualism) within the Bundesland.

If however, prime minister Balkenende stays on for a next term, 41% of respondents choose to secede to Germany. In the unlikely event that the highly popular 2nd on the list for the Conservative party, Rita Verdonk, would become prime minister, a slim majority (371 respondents, or 50.3%) would choose secession over dealing with it.

Nijmegen is the ninth largest city in the Netherlands, with a population of around 160,000.

Well, it's about damn time, if you ask me. *Nod*

That's awesome. Would they be required to secede to another country, or could they form their own if they so desired to?

North Fulton County wants to be a separate county in North Georgia. This would hark back to the days before Milton County was assimilated into the present day Fulton.

Sandy Springs became an incorporated city, ending it's ties to Atlanta.

And that's the news from Lake Wobegon.

O God no, not Nijmegen... actually, it probably woudn't be visible on a map anyway.

Maybe all of the Netherlands can join Germany?:p

Well, they can leave the Netherlands, but it won't be easy to join Germany.
The relevant part in the German constitution that allowed other countries or parts of other countries to join the Bundesrepublik was discontinued on demand of the former allied forces of WW II the moment Eastern Germany joined Western Germany.

does it really matter anyway? the EU is on its way to becoming one big country, I don't see why it matters that ap few countries absorb each other.

On the other hand, I think it would be pretty bad sport of them.

Also, I think a simple majority of votes should not be enough for a step as drastic as his. I think it should at least require a 2/3 majority, if not unanimousity.

I don't see it happening either, since it would still need a semi-fascist politician to become prime minister, and even then, it's still a very, very slim margin, well within the margin of error (which is probably around 10% by tests like these) It does, however show a change in attitude; like 10 years ago, if you would've mentioned 30-35% of the population of a major city in holland wishing to secede to Germany, people probably would've thought you're nuts.

Also, I think a simple majority of votes should not be enough for a step as drastic as his. I think it should at least require a 2/3 majority, if not unanimousity.
Probably more than just a simple majority, but not unanimousity, because that's communism. :p

does it really matter anyway? the EU is on its way to becoming one big country, I don't see why it matters that ap few countries absorb each other.

On the other hand, I think it would be pretty bad sport of them.

no, it is not on its way to becoming 1 country, as right now it is a total mess.

Link?

Meh, don't know how it will end, as Germany assimilating territories will make some other nations pretty nervous I think.

Probably more than just a simple majority, but not unanimousity, because that's communism. :p

It's also impossible; one pig-headed guy could veto the entire city's decision.

Meh, don't know how it will end, as Germany assimilating territories will make some other nations pretty nervous I think.

Hey, they wanted Germany to.

I don't see a problem with it myself

I see one problem with it; odds are, the people aren't even German, they just want to join Germany to avoid being ruled by certain politicians. It's like an entire city of refugees. That not cool.

Also, I think a simple majority of votes should not be enough for a step as drastic as his. I think it should at least require a 2/3 majority, if not unanimousity.

not that i understood anything about the OP but ive always been of the opinion that any change like that should require 2 sucessive "yes" votes of at least a 60% majority.

anything can get passed if you are sneaky enough or if the public is diverted to another issue and neglects to vote. ONE "yes" vote can get through with a low voter turnout and make a change that the majority really doesnt support. if you require 2, the first one puts everyone on notice that its quite possible to have this change happen and if they care, they better get out and vote on it in the second one.

I don't see a problem with it myself

Yeah but Poland, Russia, France, Czech Republic, and a few others all will, since they sit on land that also was once legitemate German territory that was annexed after defeat in war. So to see Germany reclaim even an inch of land or such will cause some nervousness as to what future German intentions might be or if they will eventually make claims, and all kinds of paranoid thinking.

Yeah but Poland, Russia, France, Czech Republic, and a few others all will, since they sit on land that also was once legitemate German territory that was annexed after defeat in war. So to see Germany reclaim even an inch of land or such will cause some nervousness as to what future German intentions might be or if they will eventually make claims, and all kinds of paranoid thinking.

Good, they should be paranoid. One day, we'll take back all of that land. Plus interest.

I see one problem with it; odds are, the people aren't even German, they just want to join Germany to avoid being ruled by certain politicians. It's like an entire city of refugees. That not cool.

Lol, usually non-german peole tried their hardest not to become under German rule, what is the world coming to....

Good, they should be paranoid. One day, we'll take back all of that land. Plus interest.

Well since 1/3 of Polands territory was part of Germany, isn't it a bit overharsh taking interest on top? Meh, your heartless :P

Yeah but Poland, Russia, France, Czech Republic, and a few others all will, since they sit on land that also was once legitemate German territory that was annexed after defeat in war. So to see Germany reclaim even an inch of land or such will cause some nervousness as to what future German intentions might be or if they will eventually make claims, and all kinds of paranoid thinking.

That's why the German Grundgesetzt was changed in 1990 so it no longer allows for the joining of other countries or parts of other countries....

Well since 1/3 of Polands territory was part of Germany, isn't it a bit overharsh taking interest on top? Meh, your heartless :P

No. If they want to get their land back from Ukraine and Russia, they can go ahead and try. Not our problem.

That's why the German Grundgesetzt was changed in 1990 so it no longer allows for the joining of other countries or parts of other countries....

Well fuck them. It's Germany's constitution, not France's or Russia's or the US's.

That's why the German Grundgesetzt was changed in 1990 so it no longer allows for the joining of other countries or parts of other countries....He's right though. The Poles are going to go apeshit if this happens.

That's why the German Grundgesetzt was changed in 1990 so it no longer allows for the joining of other countries or parts of other countries....

You know how often the German constitution was changed in the last century in Germany? 3 times I believe,..... and amendmants can always be changed back (although with the innefficieny of the Bundestag and Bundesrat it is highly questionable if it done within a decade of debating). All that does is make it considerably harder.

No. If they want to get their land back from Ukraine and Russia, they can go ahead and try. Not our problem.

Ugh, who the hell would WANT land from The Ukraine or Russia....have you ever BEEN to The Ukraine or Russia?:D

You know how often the German constitution was changed in the last century in Germany? 3 times I believe,..... and amendmants can always be changed back (although with the innefficieny of the Bundestag and Bundesrat it is highly questionable if it done within a decade of debating). All that does is make it considerably harder.

Economically and politically speaking, I think we should first concern ourselves with the last mouthful we took when we re-annexed Eastern Germany...

He's right though. The Poles are going to go apeshit if this happens.

We should set up video cameras in Poland, let Germany annex a few countries, JUST to see Polands reaction.

After watching those cameras, I think I would die a happy man.:D

He's right though. The Poles are going to go apeshit if this happens.

The Poles can do a certain oral action with something in the lower regions of my body.

Economically and politically speaking, I think we should first concern ourselves with the last mouthful we took when we re-annexed Eastern Germany...

I agree with that. Eastern Germany still isnt half of what West Germany is....and its taken alot out of West Germany to bring it up to their standards.

Economically and politically speaking, I think we should first concern ourselves with the last mouthful we took when we re-annexed Eastern Germany...

The Netherlands is in a considerably better economic state than the DDR was. And besides, it's one capitalist city, not an entire communist country.

Ugh, who the hell would WANT land from The Ukraine or Russia....have you ever BEEN to The Ukraine or Russia?:D

They'd want L'viv back.

Economically and politically speaking, I think we should first concern ourselves with the last mouthful we took when we re-annexed Eastern Germany...

Without a doubt. I find it highly unrealistic that Germany would ever make claims, simply as you said because of the attitude "wtf man, when we gave the land to you it was fine and pristine to live in, you can keep it now we don't want it back, *mumble* *grumble*" , economically it would be pretty dumb, or kick out all the foreign inhabitants and send all of Germanies "arbeitslosen" there as farmers (I would love to see the world reaction to that, better then all tv combined probably) that could work but is very morally questionable.

They'd want L'viv back.

And the Germans want Danzig back, but we cant always get what we want, can we?

And the Germans want Danzig back, but we cant always get what we want, can we?

We do???

I don't.... last time I looked, there was no general demand for getting it back in Germany :confused:

We do???

I don't.... last time I looked, there was no general demand for getting it back in Germany :confused:

Yes there is there is a whole political lobby of the children of refugees of the former eastern territories, but most other Germans (except ultra-nationalist ones) don't really give a fig.

We do???

I don't.... last time I looked, there was no general demand for getting it back in Germany :confused:

Yes, we do. You just don't know it yet.

We should set up video cameras in Poland, let Germany annex a few countries, JUST to see Polands reaction.

After watching those cameras, I think I would die a happy man.:DYeah, go on, joke about it. You don't have to finish your Bachelor degree within a hundred kilometers of the Polish border... :D

Yeah, go on, joke about it. You don't have to finish your Bachelor degree within a hundred kilometers of the Polish border... :D

... So you're an ex-commie, ehh? :p

Without a doubt. I find it highly unrealistic that Germany would ever make claims, simply as you said because of the attitude "wtf man, when we gave the land to you it was fine and pristine to live in, you can keep it now we don't want it back, *mumble* *grumble*" , economically it would be pretty dumb, or kick out all the foreign inhabitants and send all of Germanies "arbeitslosen" there as farmers (I would love to see the world reaction to that, better then all tv combined probably) that could work but is very morally questionable.

The area is a city with a population of 160,000 and no more than 80 square kms of land. City center is 7 km from the German border, and etnically the city is about 1/5th German. Economically it does better than neighboring Kreis Kleve, and historically it was one of the most important cities of the Northern Holy Roman Empire, during the days of Barbarossa. Since the Maastricht treaty it has become a hub city for the "Niederrhein" region.
The population of Nijmegen is fiercely left-wing (comparable to Freiburg), unlike the rest of the Netherlands which has made a sharp turn to the right in recent years. In recent years it has happened more than once that city gov't was on a colission course with the national gov't. All together, it doesn't surprise me, although i didn't expect such numbers.

Yes there is there is a whole political lobby of the children of refugees of the former eastern territories, but most other Germans (except ultra-nationalist ones) don't really give a fig.

Yep, I remember them. The Vertriebenenverbaende in Germany count around 250 000 members right now, not a large lobby by any standards...

Yeah, go on, joke about it. You don't have to finish your Bachelor degree within a hundred kilometers of the Polish border... :D

Well it will be the former Polish border after the Germans send their even today far superior army in :P

The Poles can do a certain oral action with something in the lower regions of my body.You're a shining beacon of maturity and reason... :rolleyes:

Well it will be the former Polish border after the Germans send their even today far superior army in :P

Yes, the crowning moment of my leadership will come when my legionnaires storm into Poland and replace the Polish border flags with German ones.

Yep, I remember them. The Vertriebenenverbaende in Germany count around 250 000 members right now, not a large lobby by any standards...

Yes and I read in the Spiegel they are a very odd lobby, they are actually growing with every passing year, since the children and grandchildren of the original refugess often join, inflating the number. Normally one would think that as more of the original refugees die of age they would shrink, oddly enough not. Also they seem to have gotten quite a few,.... Americans to join in the last years of all things. No idea how they are related but apparently some Americans of German ancestry really care about a part of Poland lost more then 50 years ago.

The population of Nijmegen is fiercely left-wing (comparable to Freiburg)

Freiburg is LEFT-WING!? Aww great, I'm fucked. I was going to begin my revolution there.

Well, back to the drawing board.

You're a shining beacon of maturity and reason... :rolleyes:

I have no respect for thieves.

No idea how they are related but apparently some Americans of German ancestry really care about a part of Poland lost more then 50 years ago.

Replace America with Australia and welcome to my world.

Yes, the crowning moment of my leadership will come when my legionnaires storm into Poland and replace the Polish border flags with German ones.

I actually wonder what the world would think of that? As I know it France is too huddly cuddly with Germany to really do much more then say one or two words for the benefit of the overall public. Germany is Israel's second biggest economic trading partner and supplier in military arms, so they will probably not care much either. Only maybe Russia? And the US is pretty much a thing of the moment, depends who is in power, what the feeling in the country is etc..

Also would the EU sanction the 3rd most powerful economy in the world and its own most powerful economy thereby castrating itself?

Yes and I read in the Spiegel they are a very odd lobby, they are actually growing with every passing year, since the children and grandchildren of the original refugess often join, inflating the number. Normally one would think that as more of the original refugees die of age they would shrink, oddly enough not. Also they seem to have gotten quite a few,.... Americans to join in the last years of all things. No idea how they are related but apparently some Americans of German ancestry really care about a part of Poland lost more then 50 years ago.By pure coincidence, I actually have a legit case to be allowed to join, but I'm not, since they're a bunch of fucking idiots that are stuck in their victim role.

I actually wonder what the world would think of that? As I know it France is too huddly cuddly with Germany to really do much more then say one or two words for the benefit of the overall public. Germany is Israel's second biggest economic trading partner and supplier in military arms, so they will probably not care much either. Only maybe Russia? And the US is pretty much a thing of the moment, depends who is in power, what the feeling in the country is etc..

Also would the EU sanction the 3rd most powerful economy in the world and its own most powerful economy thereby castrating itself?

Might just be WWII all over again, except this time, if we begin with Poland, we'll be able to retake much of the stolen territory without any huge response from the rest of the world.

Replace America with Australia and welcome to my world.

Ooooooooh, let me guess.... Kievan-Prussia has a new puppet?

I have no respect for thieves.
I have even less respect for non-German "Revanchisten" than for-

KP, this is you again, isn't it?

By pure coincidence, I actually have a legit case to be allowed to join, but I'm not, since they're a bunch of fucking idiots that are stuck in their victim role.

And... how are they not victims?

Might just be WWII all over again, except this time, if we begin with Poland, we'll be able to retake much of the stolen territory without any huge response from the rest of the world.

Who's "we"?

By pure coincidence, I actually have a legit case to be allowed to join, but I'm not, since they're a bunch of fucking idiots that are stuck in their victim role.

Meh, I live with the attitude live and let live. I wouldn't join them anytime soon as I see their goal having a very slim chance of success and I am not all caught up about it either. But then again I wouldn't call people who got kicked out of their home and want to go back fucking idiots either.

We do???

I don't.... last time I looked, there was no general demand for getting it back in Germany :confused:
Well, I was just kidding, but apparently, yes...some of you do, look below.
Yes, we do. You just don't know it yet.

I have even less respect for non-German "Revanchisten" than for-

KP, this is you again, isn't it?

The world your looking for is "revanchism."

And... how are they not victims?

How are they victims? Hardly any first-generation Vertriebene are still alive, and they have been compensated.

Who's "we"?

It will be we.

Well, I was just kidding, but apparently, yes...some of you do, look below.

That guy is Australian, though. Not German. :D

Who's "we"?

Apparently those people who will follow his lead and annex what he deems part of his Großdeutschland,......

And... how are they not victims?Well, apart from the fact that a big majority of the Volksdeutsche sided with the Nazis and weren't too friendly to the local populations, most of them are dead by now.

Yeah, go on, joke about it. You don't have to finish your Bachelor degree within a hundred kilometers of the Polish border... :D

Haha, well, atleast you'd never complain about lack of entertainment. :D

It will be we.

Doesn't answer the question... who's "we"?

I've always known that overconsumption of Heineken and Jenever is a dangerous thing, especially in combination with weed.

Now that's precisely what some Dutchies come up with when had a few "kopstoten" too much, with the odd joint in between.

Geachte burgers van Nijmegen, te veel der ere, maar U moet helaas Nederlanders blijven. Een bezettingstijd was genoeg.

Op altijd goede nabuurschap,

Uw moffen van over de grens. :D

How are they victims? Hardly any first-generation Vertriebene are still alive, and they have been compensated.

Monetary compesation does not make up for the seizure of land and human suffering.

Apparently those people who will follow his lead and annex what he deems part of his Großdeutschland,......

Oh, ok. Not a great many people, then. :D

Meh, I live with the attitude live and let live. I wouldn't join them anytime soon as I see their goal having a very slim chance of success and I am not all caught up about it either. But then again I wouldn't call people who got kicked out of their home and want to go back fucking idiots either.That's probably because you're grandfather isn't one of those that is happily settled by now ;)

Doesn't answer the question... who's "we"?

Greater Germany.

Monetary compesation does not make up for the seizure of land and human suffering.

The moment they took the compensation, they lost claim to anything else. Simple as that. That's how compensation works.

Apparently those people who will follow his lead and annex what he deems part of his Großdeutschland,......

Grossdeutschland is just the beginning. It will become the capital Hexter in my great European Hextorial empire!

How are they victims? Hardly any first-generation Vertriebene are still alive, and they have been compensated.

Well the main problem is even many of the "Volkvertriebene" will compromise being allowed to return and live under the control of another country. But simply Poland doesn't allow them to buy land and return to live there, not wishing a largescale emigration that could shift some demographics. It is a bit of a right of return question if I understood it right. Money compensation isn't the equivalent to returning to the place where your ancestors lived for centuries.

Greater Germany.

Oh, cute. Dream on, honey.

Grossdeutschland is just the beginning. It will become the capital Hexter in my great European Hextorial empire!The irony is, we already have a country with the name "Hexagon" in Europe.

The moment they took the compensation, they lost claim to anything else. Simple as that. That's how compensation works.


But not all took compensation I believe or did they. Anyone have an accurate model of which percentage of the Volksvertriebene took compensation and which didn't? It interests me.

Haha, well, atleast you'd never complain about lack of entertainment. :DYeah, I'd be too busy dodging rocks, bullets, and artillery shells. :p

The irony is, we already have a country with the name "Hexagon" in Europe.

Hexter =/= Hexagon

That guy is Australian, though. Not German. :D

How do you know? It doesnt say his locationg...and he hasnt claimed to be KP....

Well the main problem is even many of the "Volkvertriebene" will compromise being allowed to return and live under the control of another country. But simply Poland doesn't allow them to buy land and return to live there, not wishing a largescale emigration that could shift some demographics. It is a bit of a right of return question if I understood it right. Money compensation isn't the equivalent to returning to the place where your ancestors lived for centuries.

With Poland now having joined the EU, I don't see any basis for that legislation any more, considering that EU law allow every memeber to live, work and buy land in any of the member states... how will they keep that restrictive legislation up?

Monetary compesation does not make up for the seizure of land and human suffering.By that logic, Germany out to be the political slave of Israel.

How do you know? It doesnt say his locationg...and he hasnt claimed to be KP....KP is online, I know that much.

How do you know? It doesnt say his locationg...and he hasnt claimed to be KP....

But he states he's Australian :

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11663753&postcount=50

By that logic, Germany out to be the political slave of Israel.

What, they're not already?

Greater Germany.

Geh wieder zu deinen Kartoffeln.

(Get back to your spuds.)

With Poland now having joined the EU, I don't see any basis for that legislation any more, considering that EU law allow every memeber to live, work and buy land in any of the member states... how will they keep that restrictive legislation up?

It is still under heavy debate because as it now stands it is extremely difficult as a german to buy any land because of many laws, which Poland did not give an exclusive answer yet if it wanted to change them. Was in the Spiegel on a part of Poland joining the EU. But yes I hope that now it will be overturned by the EU law, but there will still probably be wide discrimination, etc..

KP is online, I know that much.

I am?

...

He is?

By that logic, Germany out to be the political slave of Israel.

Unfortunately, they pretty much are. I think there was some article in Der Spiegel about it; basically the Germans didn't want to send peacekeepers to Lebanon, because "It would be the worst imaginable nightmare if German soldiers would be forced to fight Israeli troops"

Yeah, I'd be too busy dodging rocks, bullets, and artillery shells. :p

Then make a documentary with a camera, and sell it for loads of money to cnn or bbc, should pay off all your money debts. :p

What, they're not already?By pure coincidence, no, or else the NPD would have gotten banned when Sharon asked for it.

Yeah, I'd be too busy dodging rocks, bullets, and artillery shells. :p

Hey, whoever said the University life was easy is a fool.:D

Unfortunately, they pretty much are. I think there was some article in Der Spiegel about it; basically the Germans didn't want to send peacekeepers to Lebanon, because "It would be the worst imaginable nightmare if German soldiers would be forced to fight Israeli troops"

Exactly. If, by some incredible circumstance, Israel was taking over the world, Germany wouldn't lift a finger to stop them.

By pure coincidence, no, or else the NPD would have gotten banned when Sharon asked for it.

But they were almost banned. THe only thing which caused the case to be dropped was a break in the law on the prosecutors side which lead to the dismissal of the case I believe. Was a big rucus since most expected it to be banned if I remember right.

Unfortunately, they pretty much are. I think there was some article in Der Spiegel about it; basically the Germans didn't want to send peacekeepers to Lebanon, because "It would be the worst imaginable nightmare if German soldiers would be forced to fight Israeli troops"That isn't really related to being a political slave of Israel. Stepping softly with the ancestors of those we persecuted is common decency and not slavery.

Exactly. If, by some incredible circumstance, Israel was taking over the world, Germany wouldn't lift a finger to stop them.


You kidding. Israel would just tell Germany to sends its armies alongside it to help, and send military supplies......

Note, remember when Germany was going to ask for a permanent UN seat (I believe 6 exist right now with the veto power), the Israeli lobby actually tried to convince the US government to grant it but reject India's demand.

You kidding. Israel would just tell Germany to sends its armies alongside it to help, and send military supplies......

Note, remember when Germany was going to ask for a permanent UN seat (I believe 6 exist right now with the veto power), the Israeli lobby actually tried to convince the US government to grant it but reject India's demand.

True.

That isn't really related to being a political slave of Israel. Stepping softly with the ancestors of those we persecuted is common decency and not slavery.

Uhh, bullshit. If Israel is breaking the law, Germany is obliged as a member of the internation community to step in, as is everybody else.

But they were almost banned. THe only thing which caused the case to be dropped was a break in the law on the prosecutors side which lead to the dismissal of the case I believe. Was a big rucus since most expected it to be banned if I remember right.But the incident of Sharon asking for it happened after that, and the Constitutional Court explicitely stated that the NPD wasn't unbannable, just that there were errors in bringing them to court and that those would need to be righted for the process to be done properly. It wasn't pursued by the authorities that were in charge afterwards, that's why they didn't get banned.

You kidding. Israel would just tell Germany to sends its armies alongside it to help, and send military supplies......

Note, remember when Germany was going to ask for a permanent UN seat (I believe 6 exist right now with the veto power), the Israeli lobby actually tried to convince the US government to grant it but reject India's demand.
5 exist. 10 nonpermanent seats.

Uhh, bullshit. If Israel is breaking the law, Germany is obliged as a member of the internation community to step in, as is everybody else.
Yup, only we need to step softer than others.

Yup, only we need to step softer than others.

Step softer nothing. The law steps softly for nobody. Well, very few. You'd better have a good reason.

Also Germany last year had more Jews emigrating to it then Israel due to its very friendly , supportive laws to jewish emigrees. Mostly from former Soviet Union territories.

Step softer nothing. The law steps softly for nobody. Well, very few. You'd better have a good reason.

It's called diplomcay. I know you're not overly familiar with the concept.

Step softer nothing. The law steps softly for nobody. Well, very few. You'd better have a good reason.Such as being directly responsible for the attempted extinction of an entire ethnic group?

Exactly. If, by some incredible circumstance, Israel was taking over the world, Germany wouldn't lift a finger to stop them.
Of course not. We'd be so preoccupied delivering weapons and boosting our economy, we wouldn't care :rolleyes:

This whole thread reminds me of that old joke of mine I like to throw into discussions whenever someone hints to changing Germany's borders nowadays...

"Wir schaffen so lange Lebensraum im Osten bis wir wieder in Frankreich sind!"

(We will be creating living space in the East until finally we are in France again)

Such as being directly responsible for the attempted extinction of an entire ethnic group?

No German in power today is responsible for that. And Germany is not the law, merely an enforcer of it.

No German in power today is responsible for that. And Germany is not the law, merely an enforcer of it.You asked for a reason, and I gave it to you.

Of course not. We'd be so preoccupied delivering weapons and boosting our economy, we wouldn't care :rolleyes:

This whole thread reminds me of that old joke of mine I like to throw into discussions whenever someone hints to changing Germany's borders nowadays...

"Wir schaffen so lange Lebensraum im Osten bis wir wieder in Frankreich sind!"

(We will be creating living space in the East until finally we are in France again)Moin moin, auch schon wach? :D

You asked for a reason, and I gave it to you.

It's not a very good one.

Here's a pointer: the British, along with other Europeans, have been blamed for the problems in Africa. But when the shit took a turn for the worse in Sierra Leone, who did they need to help them out? The UK!

I'm going to bed. This topic better be interesting tomorrow; it better be interesting hard.

Moin moin, auch schon wach? :D
Moin! :D Aber was soll das denn heißen?!?

Not only am I awake since 11:30 but "already" posting on NS since noonish times... (Sendung mit der Maus fiel aus because of the Pope on all channels. Grrrrr!)

I have 7 threads opened and keep posting away. And I went to cast my vote earlier today, so all is good :p

Hey, I said this had better be interesting when I come back. One post?

North Fulton County wants to be a separate county in North Georgia. This would hark back to the days before Milton County was assimilated into the present day Fulton.

Sandy Springs became an incorporated city, ending it's ties to Atlanta.

And that's the news from Lake Wobegon.

Sandy Springs is incorporated? About time my place of birth became so...if it is true, of course.

@Topic:

Don't you need to have a referendum or something like that, which takes place in the whole country, if you want your city to leave that country? Or are Dutch cities that autonomous that they can just join whomever they like?

I don't know. In this era of European integration, it wouldn't surprise me you can just hold another referendum about it, and possibly just redraw the border a few kms west. On the other hand, one of the reasons there is so much dissent is that the current government of the Netherlands is a conservative, rascist and nationalist gov't. They might not be amused.

Personally; i think the entire European map is due for some change. lets just get rid of all the nations, there is more federal legislation in the EU than there is in the US nowadays. Just start from scratch and build new autonomous regions. that can function as "states", with a weak central government in Brussels and no other national governments whatsoever.

If between 23 and 41 percent of the city want to be German rather than Dutch they should get on their bicycles and move to Germany and leave the other 59 to 77 percent of the population and the Netherland's borders alone. Simple.

Personally; i think the entire European map is due for some change. lets just get rid of all the nations, there is more federal legislation in the EU than there is in the US nowadays. Just start from scratch and build new autonomous regions. that can function as "states", with a weak central government in Brussels and no other national governments whatsoever.

No. Federal government in Berlin or no deal.

No. Federal government in Berlin or no deal.
Do you actually mean anything of what you are posting, or are you just kidding all the time?

Do you actually mean anything of what you are posting, or are you just kidding all the time?

A little bit from column A and a little bit from column C.