NationStates Jolt Archive

.. I really don't.

It seems like people who just don't need it, suck the life out of it.

*shrugs*

Yet some people do. A helping hand to get back on your feet is a good thing for those unfortunate enough to need it. Welfare should be a good temporary solution. :)

.. I really don't.

It seems like people who just don't need it, suck the life out of it.

*shrugs*

Would you approve of workfare?

At least I know someone won't think I'm psycho..... Wait a second, I already am psycho....

Would you approve of workfare?

What is Workfare?

.. I really don't.

It seems like people who just don't need it, suck the life out of it.

*shrugs*

Wait, no, I think that means you have no problem with the idea of welfare, but you dislike the current system of welfare...

Yet some people do. A helping hand to get back on your feet is a good thing for those unfortunate enough to need it. Welfare should be a good temporary solution. :)
Yes but too many people abuse it. I wouldn't mind if it was only for a short amount of time. I mean I know too many people on welfare that have no intention of getting a job, or getting off of welfare, so they leech the system. Hence why I'm against it.

What is Workfare?

I second this question due to me being too lazy to google it.

Would you approve of workfare?

If it's done in the right way, and doesn't end up causing more problems than solutions, I'm a big fan of workfare.

The problem with workfare is that some people can put forth the effort to better themselves and their situation, and not qualify for workfare, because of things outside of their control (eg economy, lack of education)

I wholly support giving money to those that are working to better themselves... but any system of welfare that does not require them to hold to a steady job, or persue some kind of education/certification is not one that I would ever supprt.

I endorse policies designed to get people back on their feet. I endorse policies designed to assist the steeply disadvantaged (those with incapacitating disablilities, for example).

I do not endorse handouts. I do not endorse programs that eventually allow others to simply sit around each day and get checks in the mail.

I know people that simply do not enjoy working. They would rather make nothing of themselves and get handouts for the rest of their lives than actually try to accomplish something.

I also know a couple people unable to work. Both were firefighters. They receive pension becuase they have debilitating injuries received on the job. It is welfare programs that they depend on while they pursue degrees so as to change their careers to something they can work at.

Welfare for those in need I endorse. Welfare for those that are lazy I oppose. Of course, for this to happen, for a welfare system that is beneficial to those in need while not wasting on the bloodsuckers, we require certain economic policies to be put in place. But it is still important to make sure welfare goes where it is supposed to go. And I should add that obesity is not a valid reason for incapacitation.

I agree with the OP.
FIX'D to be concise...

I second this question due to me being too lazy to google it.


its where the government makes you work at some makework job 40 hours a week inorder to get welfare, so you don't have the time or energy to look for real work.

its where the government makes you work at some makework job 40 hours a week inorder to get welfare, so you don't have the time or energy to look for real work.

...I can support that.

Yes but too many people abuse it. I wouldn't mind if it was only for a short amount of time. I mean I know too many people on welfare that have no intention of getting a job, or getting off of welfare, so they leech the system. Hence why I'm against it.
It should be a time-limited system then, where only the minority were allowed to go on welfare for a longer period of time. Like recovering substance abusers, people who really are trying to get work but are unable etc.

The welfare office and the employment office should be working closely together to make that possible.

its where the government makes you work at some makework job 40 hours a week inorder to get welfare, so you don't have the time or energy to look for real work.

Yes, I might possibly support that, then.

In criticism of workfare:

Another argument against the workfare system is that obligating people to perform "voluntary" work or pushing them into low-paid employment (or even government wage assistance schemes) is the modern-day equivalent of slave labour. This is especially true because the jobs and tasks offered to people with little or no employability tend to be either menial or labor intensive in nature. It is argued that the creation of this artificial under-class adds to the stigma that welfare recipients are lazy, unmotivated, and would do nothing unless the state intervened.

*shrug* I'm not really for or against it...

I support full employment at decent wages in the context of a libertarian socialist economy, which would make welfare superfluous.

For the moment, I support the state hiring the unemployed at a living wage for public works projects, and also providing them the option of a job training program, for the duration of which they would receive benefits.

Those who refuse should receive a limited set of benefits, to ensure that the alternatives provided by the state or by private employers are actually decent.

when unicef gets in the government business then the government will get in the charity business.

i know its a bad analogy, but someone had to say it. i won the "who must say it" lottery

its where the government makes you work at some makework job 40 hours a week inorder to get welfare, so you don't have the time or energy to look for real work.
My God, someone actually managed to think up a more wasteful and vile system than traditional welfare, and that they (apparently) were serious when they proposed it is all the more horrifying.

I, as you might guess, am against the concept of welfare as is currently in play. Set on a national (or even the scale of most states), welfare, like the minimum wage, simply amounts to feel good legislation riddled with corruption and nonsense.

I support full employment at decent wages in the context of a libertarian socialist economy, which would make welfare superfluous.

For the moment, I support the state hiring the unemployed at a living wage for public works projects, and also providing them the option of a job training program, for the duration of which they would receive benefits.

Those who refuse should receive a limited set of benefits, to ensure that the alternatives provided by the state or by private employers are actually decent.

I'm in total agreement.

Short term benefits for the temporarily unemployed, and educational Trade Adjustment Assitance are acceptable. But so often, long term welfare programs breeds a class of structurally unemployed people, who go from the cradle to the grave on the dole. That is totally unacceptable.

I far prefer the steps that were taken by the US Welfare Reform legislation in the nineties over what we see in Western Europe these days. None of the predictions that so many of the doomsayers spouted off have come true, and the structural unemployment in the US is very low.

they should restart the govenrment work force programs they had back in the depression

...I can support that.

me too!

Whatever,

My mom used it for a couple years. My sister and I have never used it.

Sorry, you can convince me it's a complete waste.

I support full employment at decent wages in the context of a libertarian socialist economy, which would make welfare superfluous.

For the moment, I support the state hiring the unemployed at a living wage for public works projects, and also providing them the option of a job training program, for the duration of which they would receive benefits.

Those who refuse should receive a limited set of benefits, to ensure that the alternatives provided by the state or by private employers are actually decent.

Sounds good.

Yet some people do. A helping hand to get back on your feet is a good thing for those unfortunate enough to need it. Welfare should be a good temporary solution. :)
Welfare alone is not a solution. But it is a necessary part to any real solution. The other big parts are programs to give people job training and such.