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I'm sure certain NSers on here would enjoy this kind of news. Apparently more and more people feel that 9/11 did not occur as the government claims.

In September 2001, NORAD generals said they learned of the hijackings in time to scramble fighter jets. But the government recently released tapes claiming to show the FAA did not tell the military about the hijackings until three of the four planes had crashed.

That would mean the FAA repeatedly lied. It would also mean, as Griffin points out, that the entire military chain of command stayed quiet about huge inaccuracies for four years "even though . . . the true story would put the military in a better light."

More mysteries pile up. The 9/11 Commission says Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at 9:37. But Honegger says clocks stopped at the Pentagon at 9:32. Then there's the collapse of the twin towers, which Jones, the physics professor, timed at just short of free fall. Griffin cites firefighters, including a captain, who said in hearings and on tapes from that day that they saw flashes and heard the sound of explosions before the collapse.

It is things like this that make you worry about the sanity of people. I mean there is no way that the government would do any mass cover-ups right? Bush and Co. wouldn't do any such nasty thing, yes?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14723997/

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9/11 conspiracy theorist

I'm sure certain NSers on here would enjoy this kind of news. Apparently more and more people feel that 9/11 did not occur as the government claims.



It is things like this that make you worry about the sanity of people. I mean there is no way that the government would do any mass cover-ups right? Bush and Co. wouldn't do any such nasty thing, yes?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14723997/

I don't believe that 9/11 happened exactly as the gov't says it did. Im not exactly sure if the prez set it up or not...but...i guess it is a possibility.

It is things like this that make you worry about the sanity of people. I mean there is no way that the government would do any mass cover-ups right? Bush and Co. wouldn't do any such nasty thing, yes?
They wouldn't do it because they're too incompetent, not because they're too nice.

Anyway, I have no problem with people distrusting government, even if it is for silly reasons.

9/11 conspiracy theorists multiply

We need to find out where they are breeding and drain the water from that area. Good thing is it's approaching winter and they breed less often in cold and dry climes. Anyone know what's causing the increased growth, was a natural predator recently extinct-ified or something?

They wouldn't do it because they're too incompetent, not because they're too nice.

Anyway, I have no problem with people distrusting government, even if it is for silly reasons.

You know that might be the best arguement that the government had nothing to do with 9/11.

Even if ater 9/11 Bush's approval numbers went up after an amazing slide... :eek:

We need to get rid of welfare and the minimum wage and allow natural selection to take care of such retards.

Today a tape was released that showed Bin Laden with some of the hijackers asking people to pray for them as they set out on their holy mission. Monday a tape is supposed to be released that will show Bin Laden and some of the hijackers actually planning the attack. We have Bin Laden on video tape saying, "We did not think the whole towers would come down." What's it going to take?

Begoner21;11655874']We need to get rid of welfare and the minimum wage and allow natural selection to take care of such retards.

Better be careful. That could be you one day, if your post quality is any indication of your future educational performance.

Better be careful. That could be you one day, if your post quality is any indication of your future educational performance.

Well, I don't have to perform to an absolute standard -- I just have to do better than people like you. And, judging by your post quality, you're headed towards an insane asylum, as are all the people who believe those ridiculous conspiracy theories. So I guess I'd win by default, even if I flunked out of middle school.

Begoner21;11655966']Well, I don't have to perform to an absolute standard -- I just have to do better than people like you. And, judging by your post quality, you're headed towards an insane asylum, as are all the people who believe those ridiculous conspiracy theories. So I guess I'd win by default, even if I flunked out of middle school.So does that mean you think I believe in the various conspiracy theories bandied about online? Try a course in reading comprehension, Junior.

Begoner21;11655966']Well, I don't have to perform to an absolute standard -- I just have to do better than people like you. And, judging by your post quality, you're headed towards an insane asylum, as are all the people who believe those ridiculous conspiracy theories. So I guess I'd win by default, even if I flunked out of middle school.

Right... He's completely insane. Totally bonkers. Based on what criteria?

Begoner21;11655966']Well, I don't have to perform to an absolute standard -- I just have to do better than people like you. And, judging by your post quality, you're headed towards an insane asylum, as are all the people who believe those ridiculous conspiracy theories. So I guess I'd win by default, even if I flunked out of middle school.

So let's see: He deflects any theories other than the one given by the government, he's adamant about Iraq having a connection with Al-Queda, and he watches Fox News.


Amazing coincidences.

So does that mean you think I believe in the various conspiracy theories bandied about online?

Believing in something despite all evidence to the contrary is quite close to the definition of insanity. Believing that Bin Laden was not the one behind 9/11 despite all the facts showing that you are wrong is crazy. I never said that you believed McDonalds was involved in a conspiracy to fatten up Americans and thus decrease the power of the US military or anything like that.

Try a course in reading comprehension, Junior.

Perhaps it is you who should try a such course instead of putting words into my mouth. And where the hell did you get "Junior"?

Begoner21;11656060']Believing in something despite all evidence to the contrary is quite close to the definition of insanity. Believing that Bin Laden was not the one behind 9/11 despite all the facts showing that you are wrong is crazy. I never said that you believed McDonalds was involved in a conspiracy to fatten up Americans and thus decrease the power of the US military or anything like that.



Perhaps it is you who should try a such course instead of putting words into my mouth. And where the hell did you get "Junior"?

Where did you get the idea that I believe someone other than Bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks? I typed it extra slow so you'd have a better chance at understanding it, Junior.

...he deflects any theories other than the one given by the government

I am sure that I allow for other theories than those given by the government for certain phenomena or events. However, I do agree with the government on many of its theories, seeing as it has a much greater capacity for analysing information than anybody does on NS. I do not believe, for example, that Clinton did not have "sexual relations" with Monica, despite the fact that he swore to that under oath. That is one theory expounded on by the government with which I disagree.

...he's adamant about Iraq having a connection with Al-Queda

Another baseless assertion. In fact, to quote myself, when I was referring to the question of whether or not there was a link between Saddam and Al-Qaeda: "I'm currently undecided....the evidence seems a bit circumstancial for my liking, but I cannot rule it out based on facts to the contrary, either. It is possible, I guess, and if I were Saddam, I would do it. I'm leaning towards 'likely.'" Certainly I wasn't adamant about such a connection; I was much closer to ambivalent.

...he watches Fox News.

Really? And on what, may I ask, do you base that assumption? I do not, in fact, watch FOX News, nor have I ever watched it.

Amazing coincidences.

Amazing how many errors you can have in one sentence.

Where did you get the idea that I believe someone other than Bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks? I typed it extra slow so you'd have a better chance at understanding it, Junior.

I apologize -- I seemed to recall you stating at one point that you did in fact believe in the conspiracy theory, but obviously I was wrong. There are so many liberals on here who have the same ideology that it becomes difficult to differentiate one from the other; it is much simpler to distinguish a particular conservative since there are so few here. In that case, my comments apply only to those who do in fact believe in these tin-foil-hat theories and not to you. You still haven't explained why you're ending your sentences with "Junior," champ.

Begoner21;11656127']I apologize -- I seemed to recall you stating at one point that you did in fact believe in the conspiracy theory, but obviously I was wrong. There are so many liberals on here who have the same ideology that it becomes difficult to differentiate one from the other; it is much simpler to distinguish a particular conservative since there are so few here. In that case, my comments apply only to those who do in fact believe in these tin-foil-hat theories and not to you. You still haven't explained why you're ending your sentences with "Junior," champ.

Thanks for the apology. The Junior was my way of needling you for posting like someone with the reasning faculties of a kid. I'll stop it now.

Begoner21;11656060']Believing in something despite all evidence to the contrary is quite close to the definition of insanity. Believing that Bin Laden was not the one behind 9/11 despite all the facts showing that you are wrong is crazy. I never said that you believed McDonalds was involved in a conspiracy to fatten up Americans and thus decrease the power of the US military or anything like that.

Not all believe that Bush or anyone else was actually part of the planning or anything but simply that they knew about it and just... allowed events to unfold. With Bush's reaction at the school after being informed of the attacks and his idiocy and declaring just about everything "secret" afterwards it is no wonder that conspiracies resulted.

Not all believe that Bush or anyone else was actually part of the planning or anything but simply that they knew about it and just... allowed events to unfold. With Bush's reaction at the school after being informed of the attacks and his idiocy and declaring just about everything "secret" afterwards it is no wonder that conspiracies resulted.

Bush certainly didn't help matters by opposing a 9/11 commission at first and then doing his best to get in their way while they investigated either. Some take that as proof he had something to hide. I don't--I think secrecy is just SOP for them and they're enabled by the media and congress, so they get away with it.

Hows this for a conspiracy theory. Roswell and JFK had long got boring, and thousands of conspiracy theorists were unemployed. They ganged together, infiltrated various TV stations etc, and FAKED the whole thing, moon landing style. Their purpose being to generate a new controversial and difficult to prove either way incident. Now they are again employed appearing on silly chat shows etc. It was all a big conspiracy. And 12ft lizards were probably involved, David Ike told me it was true.

Bush certainly didn't help matters by opposing a 9/11 commission at first and then doing his best to get in their way while they investigated either. Some take that as proof he had something to hide. I don't--I think secrecy is just SOP for them and they're enabled by the media and congress, so they get away with it.

By keeping things secret though and even lying he created conspiracies. It is hard to trust a government that won't tell you what is going on. It mouths how everything is for the public safety so don't worry everyone, it is for your own good! Perhaps if Bush came clean and unloaded then perhaps the paranoia and halftruths will disappear. Hell, there are still people out there who think Saddam had some active roll in 9/11! I wonder if anyone in the public really knows what the exact truth is. We all know that when you are bombarded with falsifications people will still end up believing that where there is smoke there must be fire...

With Bush's reaction at the school after being informed of the attacks and his idiocy and declaring just about everything "secret" afterwards it is no wonder that conspiracies resulted.

Well, Bush isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He's probably blunter than a bread knife. I think that all those are easily attributed to his stupidity -- with no one in his cabinet to tell him what to do, he was at a complete loss for what to do after hearing the news. I'm sure that if there was a conspiracy, someone would have told Bush how to react to the news instead of reading that damn picture book.

Begoner21;11656483']Well, Bush isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. He's probably blunter than a bread knife. I think that all those are easily attributed to his stupidity -- with no one in his cabinet to tell him what to do, he was at a complete loss for what to do after hearing the news. I'm sure that if there was a conspiracy, someone would have told Bush how to react to the news instead of reading that damn picture book.

Would have made him look so much better if he lept up, told the kids he had some important presidential matters to take care of and leave to deal with the crisis. Sitting there with a "what the fuck do I do?" expression certainly wasn't the right move, certainly. I'd guess it was more what happened after that brought out the nutcases when he decided to start suppressing things.

I believe, among other things, that Bush has morals. Those morals are definitely NOT the same as mine - he opposes stem-cell research, I support it. However, I don't think that he would do something like this.

Besides, the evidence that Al-Qaeda did it is EXTREMELY strong.

I believe, among other things, that Bush has morals. Those morals are definitely NOT the same as mine - he opposes stem-cell research, I support it. However, I don't think that he would do something like this.

Besides, the evidence that Al-Qaeda did it is EXTREMELY strong.

His refusal to admit that our being in Iraq has been a mistake and a disaster for everyone makes me dispute his having morality.