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I know there was a ghost thread floating around before (no pun intended), but this thing just happened last night, and if I hadn't heard it from someone I knew well, I would just shrug my shoulders.

My sister's best friend, a girl who lived with us for a time when we were growing up, recently moved out to 'the boonies' (Seahaven, Ont.) with her boyfriend. They bought a house for 'dirt cheap'. (When asked about the previous owners, the only thing they know is that apparently he was 'manic depressive'.)

At any rate, the room right next to their master bedroom was at one time a nursery. Not any more. It's now used to display her boyfriend's very large collection of horror movie figurines and collectables. They've noticed over the last few months, that some of the figurines seem to have moved, but they just sort of shrugged it off.

Last night, she came home to find her boyfriend already asleep with the covers pulled over his head. She got into bed, and just as she was starting to fall asleep, she heard a child sobbing, quite loudly. She was a little freaked out, because it sounded like it came from inside the house, but she decided to get out of bed and check to see if maybe somebody had dumped a child on her doorstep or something to that effect. So she looked outside, and all througout the house, and nothing. The crying sound had stopped before she had finished looking.

So, she got back into bed, and the crying started again. Really freaked out, she stayed in bed this time. After a few minutes of crying, music started playing and then she heard the sound of a woman consoling her child. The crying stopped. Then the music stopped. After a few minutes, the crying resumed, and kept up for 4 hours. After the crying stopped, she finally fell asleep.

The next morning, before she had a moment to tell her story to her boyfriend, he told her that he had such an intense feeling that someone was staring at him, that he had to pull the covers over his head, he was so freaked out. She then told him her story.

They went into the next room, and discovered that all of the models/figurines had been moved around, the 'scariest' of them lieing broken on the floor. Child-sized handprints and fingerprints were all over the shelves (which never get dusted) including shelves that would be too high for a small child to reach.

Needless to say, they're a little freaked out. I just think it's kinda cool. My sister is going up to check out the mess.

Tell them to reasearch the history of the house and propety, when you get a haunting like this and you don't know why, always look to the history of the house and property. That's a pretty cool story though.

After my granndma died, my mum was clearing out her house, alone, when she heard a smash from the bathroom. the inside pane of the double glazing had smashed, but not the outside. It really freaked her out.

Well duh the toys came to life and had a massive war :P. But anyway I hope they find the root of this situation and can sort it out safely and quickly.

Take photographs, document, document, document. That's always vitally important in coming to an understanding of what exactly is going on. There's a very good chance that there's a rational explanation available for what happened, and if you've got documentation it makes it far easier to fully understand what's occuring.

After my granndma died, my mum was clearing out her house, alone, when she heard a smash from the bathroom. the inside pane of the double glazing had smashed, but not the outside. It really freaked her out.

Different levels of stress had been put on the inner pane and not on the outer pane. It sounds like your window was poorly installed.

Take photographs, document, document, document. That's always vitally important in coming to an understanding of what exactly is going on. There's a very good chance that there's a rational explanation available for what happened, and if you've got documentation it makes it far easier to fully understand what's occuring.

To add onto this good advice, I would say put a video camera (either digital or tape) in the room, and let it record during the night to see if you can get anything.

To add onto this good advice, I would say put a video camera (either digital or tape) in the room, and let it record during the night to see if you can get anything.

Yes, evidence is the only way to persuade a skeptic like me, and the more of it the better. I love evidence!

Yes, evidence is the only way to persuade a skeptic like me, and the more of it the better. I love evidence!

Tell me, let's say they do put a camera in there, and the camera records the toys being moved around by unseen forces. 1. The camera never stops recording and 2. the door has been lock shut for the night.

photos?


though i must say i do often get the feeling i'm being watched (and have to pull covers over head/not have extremities outside of bedsheets) but it may just be because i'm paranoid :P

Tell me, let's say they do put a camera in there, and the camera records the toys being moved around by unseen forces. 1. The camera never stops recording and 2. the door has been lock shut for the night.

I'd be really weirded out, and, actually, I'd want to do further testing. Once I'm certain that the effect is repeatable (after three or four nights), I'd start looking at causal factors. I'd toy around with the weird and wacky, to the mundane and boring, and slowly attempt to eliminate those one by one, until I've been able to isolate the causal factor the best of my ability. Be it a ghost, bizarre electromagnetic fields, the invisible man, Space Jesus or what, I can't tell without further experimentation.

Although my instincts lean towards ghost or Space Jesus.

Although my instincts lean towards ghost or Space Jesus.

zombie jesus?! :eek: :eek:

zombie jesus?! :eek: :eek:

No, Space Jesus, you know like the Space Pope, only holier and can shoot lasers!

zombie jesus?! :eek: :eek:

No, you can see Zombie Jesus, in this instance, it's Space Jesus, with his cloaking field on.

After my sister told me about it, I was saying exactly the same things; look into the history of the house, get a taperecorder and start documenting. I wonder exactly what they mean when they say that the previous owner was 'manic depressive'.

After my sister told me about it, I was saying exactly the same things; look into the history of the house, get a taperecorder and start documenting. I wonder exactly what they mean when they say that the previous owner was 'manic depressive'.

Ah jeez... That means the dude was seriously messed up, it's another word for Bi-Polar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Depression

No, you can see Zombie Jesus, in this instance, it's Space Jesus, with his cloaking field on.

ah good point ;)


No, Space Jesus, you know like the Space Pope, only holier and can shoot lasers!

:D :p

Ah jeez... That means the dude was seriously messed up, it's another word for Bi-Polar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Depression

LOL, no I know what manic depression is, I just wonder why they would even know that. Did some manic-depressive guy kill his wife and child, and then himself in that house? Is that why they got the house for such a good deal?

It's all so stereotypically ghost story. Which is why I wouldn't have believed it if I didnt' know the people.

LOL, no I know what manic depression is, I just wonder why they would even know that. Did some manic-depressive guy kill his wife and child, and then himself in that house? Is that why they got the house for such a good deal?

It's all so stereotypically ghost story. Which is why I wouldn't have believed it if I didnt' know the people.

Well it is a possibilities. In all of my years studying the Paranormal, when someone dies a horrible death (murder, suicide etc.) they become attatched to that place. So it is a possibility. However, you have to reasearch the history of the house to be sure.

Ah jeez... That means the dude was seriously messed up, it's another word for Bi-Polar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Depression

He's not necessarily "extremely messed up". If it was an extreme case of bi-polar disorder maybe, but I didn't see that.

No, you can see Zombie Jesus, in this instance, it's Space Jesus, with his cloaking field on.

No, it is really zombie Jesus.

http://www.bjorn-comic.com/dandv/extras/zombie_jesus.jpg

See?

He's not necessarily "extremely messed up". If it was an extreme case of bi-polar disorder maybe, but I didn't see that.

I've been with Bi-Polar people before, and trust me they are not on a solid foundation. I know they can't help it because of the chemicals imbalance in their brains, but still.

He's not necessarily "extremely messed up". If it was an extreme case of bi-polar disorder maybe, but I didn't see that.

True. I have an uncle who was going through it several years ago. It's not like he was a raging psycho or anything, just prone to extreme mood swings.

The boyfriend is a horror addict, so naturally he must have set this up as some kind of prank. Occam's Razor. Case closed. :p

Toys can move on their own, especially if they have very mobile parts or are made of certain materials; since they are displayed, it's very likely that they have simply slid around due to normal vibration in the house caused by walking, moving things, and settling.

The boyfriend is a horror addict, so naturally he must have set this up as some kind of prank. Occam's Razor. Case closed. :p

I have a hard time imagining him destroying his own collection for a prank, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. I suppose he could have made little child prints in the dust after his girlfriend finally fell asleep. But between the two of them, he's more freaked out; probably because he's so into horror.

Toys can move on their own, especially if they have very mobile parts or are made of certain materials; since they are displayed, it's very likely that they have simply slid around due to normal vibration in the house caused by walking, moving things, and settling.

How would that make toys move from one shelf to another shelf in the room? Or explain the noises that came from that room?

I don't blame you for skepticism. I'm usually a little skeptical too. I've asked my sister to take some pictures when she goes up there. I'll see what I can do about posting them!

photos?


though i must say i do often get the feeling i'm being watched (and have to pull covers over head/not have extremities outside of bedsheets) but it may just be because i'm paranoid :P

damnit, he's onto me!


er...um...I mean......Hi pm! *waves*

Well, according to the Discovery Channel, hauntings may well be possible. A scientific view is that perhaps our consciousness continues existing beyond death, especially in cases where extreme emotions concentrate. The channel frequently does exposes on alleged hauntings. I am ambivalent, as I am not a believer in paranormal phenomena. Still, to the OP, I would have this investigated. If it is a real haunting it could get nasty.

How would that make toys move from one shelf to another shelf in the room? Or explain the noises that came from that room?

I can't, yet. I'd need to think about it more; my hypothesis is drawn from accounts of dolls and other toys moving on the same shelf, not from one to another.

I don't blame you for skepticism. I'm usually a little skeptical too. I've asked my sister to take some pictures when she goes up there. I'll see what I can do about posting them!

I always try to eliminate the natural explanations for ghosts; I'm a believer in them, but it's always important to make sure what's going on is not explainable by natural causes.

Are there any TVs or anything else on at the same time? Is the house close to others that might have young children? Also, sleep paralysis (a non-paranormal occurrence) may have had something to do with it; you imagine voices, sounds, and possibly the sensation of being pinned to the bed.

The fingerprints, I don't know. It could be caused by sleepwalking or some other involuntary movement; if you have a lucid dream while sleepwalking, you can interact with physical objects.

It does sound very weird. I don't usually believe in these things so I would need to see evidence, but actually knowing these people would help me believe in them. Get us some pics and freak us all out!

Oh and by the way, the Space Jesus theory is by far the better one so far.

A scientific view is that perhaps our consciousness continues existing beyond death.

Possible. But then why would you spend all your time in a room moving some toys about? C'mon, you're a ghost, you can do so much cool stuff like haunt girl's bathrooms!

You know I bet moving the Horror figures out of the Nursery would help allot.

Children even Ghost Children I bet wouldn't like their Bedroom filled with monsters.

Possible. But then why would you spend all your time in a room moving some toys about? C'mon, you're a ghost, you can do so much cool stuff like haunt girl's bathrooms!
I don't think apparitions work that way. It is probably just a fragment of one's former consciousness, most likely lacking any powers of reasoning. More like emotional manifestations than spirits of any sort.

I don't think apparitions work that way. It is probably just a fragment of one's former consciousness, most likely lacking any powers of reasoning. More like emotional manifestations than spirits of any sort.

Damn, there goes my plans!

Well, to state just the obvious things, you've got:

prior knowledge of weirdness (manic-depressive owner, child's nursery, mysteriously cheap house);
occurences at times when senses are impaired (in the dark, when sleepy);
follows a well known sequence of events (didn't the OP actually say he thought some aspects, the guy going crazy/chopping up family bit, I think, were a bit stereotyped? The crying child/escalation bit is too, I think);
one party who's a known fan of the horror genre;
nothing impossible to explain, only incongruities (e.g. the dusty finger/hand marks in strange places - why never dusted? to leave a surface that'd show a print, an unpleasant cynic could say);
no actual evidence of anything happening (yet! If there's an indepentent person going, maybe some occurences will... occur...!).

Quite a few possibilities to exclude before reach for ghosts/the paranormal.

Well, to state just the obvious things, you've got:

prior knowledge of weirdness (manic-depressive owner, child's nursery, mysteriously cheap house);
occurences at times when senses are impaired (in the dark, when sleepy);
follows a well known sequence of events (didn't the OP actually say he thought some aspects, the guy going crazy/chopping up family bit, I think, were a bit stereotyped? The crying child/escalation bit is too, I think);
one party who's a known fan of the horror genre;
nothing impossible to explain, only incongruities (e.g. the dusty finger/hand marks in strange places - why never dusted? to leave a surface that'd show a print, an unpleasant cynic could say);
no actual evidence of anything happening (yet! If there's an indepentent person going, maybe some occurences will... occur...!).

Quite a few possibilities to exclude before reach for ghosts/the paranormal.

Hmmm... you may be right.

But I better show up with my particle accelarator and a couple of ghost traps just in case.

(And I'm guessing that the room was never dusted due to the usual reasons; lazy collector dude syndrom)

can you take pics of the hand prints?

also take pics before / after of the figurines. before you go to bed, after you wake up after you come home from work... etc...


the crying might be cats. when they mate, they sound so much like children crying/wailing it's plain erie...

can you take pics of the hand prints?

also take pics before / after of the figurines. before you go to bed, after you wake up after you come home from work... etc...

It'll be my sister investigating. She's got her instructions!

the crying might be cats. when they mate, they sound so much like children crying/wailing it's plain erie...

Never thought about cats. That would make a certain amount of sense. Maybe she heard a woman come out and console her cat? But it doesn't add up with the toy situation.


A little bit of a backgrounder: After talking with my sister about it some more, some of my facts are a little off.

- The two of them have lived there for almost a year.
- The 'haunting' occurred on Wednesday. (Two days ago by this posting).
- The previous 'occurences' were limited to the same three toys being turned around, so that the faces weren't facing out.
- The night following the haunting was perfectly normal.
- The boyfriend (fiance actually) is far more freaked out about the situation, and my sister's friend kind of digs it. (Yeah, weird.)

So other than some of the toys seeming out of place, they've been living there for quite some time before this event.

It'll be my sister investigating. She's got her instructions!



Never thought about cats. That would make a certain amount of sense. Maybe she heard a woman come out and console her cat? But it doesn't add up with the toy situation.


A little bit of a backgrounder: After talking with my sister about it some more, some of my facts are a little off.

- The two of them have lived there for almost a year.
- The 'haunting' occurred on Wednesday. (Two days ago by this posting).
- The previous 'occurences' were limited to the same three toys being turned around, so that the faces weren't facing out.
- The night following the haunting was perfectly normal.
- The boyfriend (fiance actually) is far more freaked out about the situation, and my sister's friend kind of digs it. (Yeah, weird.)

So other than some of the toys seeming out of place, they've been living there for quite some time before this event.
if it is cats (and thus seasonal.) then that's one explination. the other is could it be traffic. heavy machinerly driving by and the vibrations causing the figures to move... and even fall. is there anything on the other side of said wall... Like a washing machine or something.

also, how old is the house?

Somethings may seem far out there, but a word to the wise. Ghosts aren't real. I believe that after death a person goes to either heaven or hell based on whether or not they have invited Jesus into their hearts and lives. Now my explanation for ghosts and such is quite simple and quite frighten, even to some Christians, demons. If they are not Christians, then the demons are there because they are open to such believes, but if they are Christians then the most likely purpose is that the demons want to scare them to draw them away from God, and endless evil awaits there. I know that in the past I got a lot of critism about my beliefs, but I am still willing to speak out from time to time. The fear that the feel is part of what keeps the demons there. I would advise that they do absolutely nothing but pray and go on with their regular lives, they of course could take pictures if they wanted to but shouldn't become obessed. If it happens again though, then something needs to be done about the problem. Do not go to the drastic measure of exorcism. Any one who is faithful to God and say out of complete faith to a demon "In the name of Christ be gone," and the demon must leave for it must obey Christ. A warning about this though, they must fully understand that it is not in their power to command anything and handle this with the utmost caution, danger lies in pride, it will make the weak when their attention should be completely focused on God.

if it is cats (and thus seasonal.) then that's one explination. the other is could it be traffic. heavy machinerly driving by and the vibrations causing the figures to move... and even fall. is there anything on the other side of said wall... Like a washing machine or something.

also, how old is the house?

I believe it's an older house, but I'm not sure. The problem with the figurines, is that not only were some on the floor, but some ended up on completely different shelves.

As to traffic, nothing construction oriented during the time of night, and it's a quiet community that's a bit out of the way. I'm not sure about a washing machine or anything of that nature. And there's still the matter of the fingerprints.

Definitely need more info. And maybe something to collect ectoplasm in.

I believe it's an older house, but I'm not sure. The problem with the figurines, is that not only were some on the floor, but some ended up on completely different shelves.

As to traffic, nothing construction oriented during the time of night, and it's a quiet community that's a bit out of the way. I'm not sure about a washing machine or anything of that nature. And there's still the matter of the fingerprints.

Definitely need more info. And maybe something to collect ectoplasm in.

"Someone sneezes and you want to collect it?" :D

Somethings may seem far out there, but a word to the wise. Ghosts aren't real. I believe that after death a person goes to either heaven or hell based on whether or not they have invited Jesus into their hearts and lives. Now my explanation for ghosts and such is quite simple and quite frighten, even to some Christians, demons. If they are not Christians, then the demons are there because they are open to such believes, but if they are Christians then the most likely purpose is that the demons want to scare them to draw them away from God, and endless evil awaits there. I know that in the past I got a lot of critism about my beliefs, but I am still willing to speak out from time to time. The fear that the feel is part of what keeps the demons there. I would advise that they do absolutely nothing but pray and go on with their regular lives, they of course could take pictures if they wanted to but shouldn't become obessed. If it happens again though, then something needs to be done about the problem. Do not go to the drastic measure of exorcism. Any one who is faithful to God and say out of complete faith to a demon "In the name of Christ be gone," and the demon must leave for it must obey Christ. A warning about this though, they must fully understand that it is not in their power to command anything and handle this with the utmost caution, danger lies in pride, it will make the weak when their attention should be completely focused on God.

I'll pass that on....

*fires up particle accelarator...*

"Someone sneezes and you want to collect it?" :D

Well I hear that they make KY Jelly out of it. Might be useful...

Well I hear that they make KY Jelly out of it. Might be useful...
Then let me be the first to say



>.<

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww!!!

The house was cheap eh? Hallucinations caused by a psychedelic mold perhaps.

Sleep apnea has been linked to beliefs that one was abducted by aliens. Could be involved as well.

Then let me be the first to say



>.<

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww!!!

Well why do you think Incubi and Succubi are so damned good at what they do?

Come on. I'll send some ectojelly your way. I won't tell anyone....

Well why do you think Incubi and Succubi are so damned good at what they do?

Come on. I'll send some ectojelly your way. I won't tell anyone....

a limerik I heard a loong time ago...
there once was a vampire Von Stom
who summoned a succubus up to his room
they argued all night
over who had the right
to drain away what
and from whom.

:D

I'll take two petri dishes worth... :cool:

a limerik I heard a loong time ago...
there once was a vampire Von Stom
who summoned a succubus up to his room
they argued all night
over who had the right
to drain away what
and from whom.

:D

I'll take two petri dishes worth... :cool:

*scratches in notepad: JuNii - Ectogoo x2; barry white album x1; ghost tickler x1*

zombie jesus?! :eek: :eek:
No, Space Jesus, you know like the Space Pope, only holier and can shoot lasers!
No, you can see Zombie Jesus, in this instance, it's Space Jesus, with his cloaking field on.
No way!
It is Space Ghost, Coast to Coast, or at the very least Super Streaker.