NationStates Jolt Archive

Can't wait for the public hanging.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/gadahn_the_amer.html

ABC News has confirmed that Adam Gadahn, the American who converted to Islam and joined al Qaeda, has been charged in a sealed indictment with providing material support to terrorism.

Gadahn recently appeared with al Qaeda's No. 2 in command Ayman Zawahiri exhorting Americans to convert to Islam. Gadahn, in addition to helping al Qaeda with propaganda and communications, is also suspected of helping al Qaeda with English translations and understanding U.S. culture and vulnerabilities. Charges may be announced in the next week. Officials have also considered charging Gadahn with treason.

Considering this video, I don't think there will be much trouble finding the witnesses to the act of treason. If Lord Haw Haw is any precedent, he'll be doing Danny Deever after a fair trial.

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1257wmv&ak=null

I'm confused about the whole English translation thing is it a crime to translate what a terrorist says?

And guess who’s going to have the shit kicked out of them at guantanamo

I'm confused about the whole English translation thing is it a crime to translate what a terrorist says?

And guess who’s going to have the shit kicked out of them at guantanamo

No, you must not get it.

He's an American speaking Arabic. He's not translating what they say.

The translation is by MEMRI.

is also suspected of helping al Qaeda with English translations

so what does this mean!?

so what does this mean!?

He's their spokesman, encouraging Americans to give up.

The same crime that Lord Haw Haw was hung for by the UK. And Tokyo Rose nearly hung for by the US.

If you're the enemy's official mouthpiece, encouraging surrender, it's a hanging offense.

He's their spokesman, encouraging Americans to give up.

The same crime that Lord Haw Haw was hung for by the UK. And Tokyo Rose nearly hung for by the US.

If you're the enemy's official mouthpiece, encouraging surrender, it's a hanging offense.

That's kinda stupid. It's fair enough if they're from your side like Haw Haw or Gadahn, but not, say, a German preaching for the Nazis in 1940.

If you're the enemy's official mouthpiece, encouraging surrender, it's a hanging offense.

erm....it is? *goes about making radio broadcasts telling the people to give up*

That's kinda stupid. It's fair enough if they're from your side like Haw Haw or Gadahn, but not, say, a German preaching for the Nazis in 1940.

Also, Vlaams Belang is freaking awesome.

Yes, they have to be from your side.

That's kinda stupid. It's fair enough if they're from your side like Haw Haw or Gadahn, but not, say, a German preaching for the Nazis in 1940.

That's why Haw Haw got it in the neck and Rose got off. Lord Haw Haw was shown to still have British Citizenship, which made what he did treason, while Tokyo Rose's citizenship was more questionable. I believe she spent a few years in prison though.

erm....it is? *goes about making radio broadcasts telling the people to give up*
Kid Charlemagne?
Hal you fiend!:eek:

YOu need a clever name or nickname to be an evil spokesman.

Lord Haw Haw was a classic. As was Hanoi Hannah. Tokyo Rose is too cute. Azzam the American is dull as can be.

Comical Ali was the greatest ever. :)

If you're the enemy's official mouthpiece, encouraging surrender, it's a hanging offense.
Not very freedom of speech, is it?

"Say anything you like except 'we should just surrender and leave'". Because that will get you killed.

That's why Haw Haw got it in the neck and Rose got off. Lord Haw Haw was shown to still have British Citizenship...

Nope, he was shown to have a British passport, which is a different thing, he was an American citizen.

Not very freedom of speech, is it?

"Say anything you like except 'we should just surrender and leave'". Because that will get you killed.

It's one thing for an individual to say it. It's another for someone to be the official al-Qaeda spokesman on several videos.

Plenty of historical and legal precedent. The definition of treason is very narrowly defined, and he just stepped right into it.

And LG, I agree that the nickname sucks.

That's kinda stupid. It's fair enough if they're from your side like Haw Haw or Gadahn, but not, say, a German preaching for the Nazis in 1940.You'd likely get hung for mentioning Germany might lose the war around a Nazi cronie in 1945.

You'd likely get hung for mentioning Germany might lose the war around a Nazi cronie in 1945.

Nah, they would just send you to the Eastern Front, or to the camps.

That's kinda stupid. It's fair enough if they're from your side like Haw Haw or Gadahn, but not, say, a German preaching for the Nazis in 1940.

Also, Vlaams Belang is freaking awesome.Yes, they have to be from your side.

@TPF: No.

Nah, they would just send you to the Eastern Front, or to the camps.

Well, at least you wouldn't have to travel far to get the Eastern Front in 1945. Every cloud has a silver lining.

Not very freedom of speech, is it?

"Say anything you like except 'we should just surrender and leave'". Because that will get you killed.

trea·son (trzn) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "treason" [P]
n.

1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

Nah, they would just send you to the Eastern Front, or to the camps.Nope. If the Nazi or Wehrmacht official was ambitious enough (and they usually were), they'd perform a "standrechtliche Hinrichtung" as per "Führerbefehl".

Well, at least you wouldn't have to travel far to get the Eastern Front in 1945. Every cloud has a silver lining.

Get outside!

Nope. If the Nazi or Wehrmacht official was ambitious enough (and they usually were), they'd perform a "standrechtliche Hinrichtung" as per "Führerbefehl".

That wasn't the meathook thing, was it?

trea·son (trzn) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "treason" [P]
n.

1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.

What I find puzzling is how 'enemies' is defined wrt treason. Now, if you have a declared official war, its pretty easy to tell who counts as an enemy, but in situations like the cold war or the war on terror it is all something of a grey area.

That wasn't the meathook thing, was it?Nah. Most of em used rope and trees or just shot them.

Nah. Most of em used rope and trees or just shot them.

I remember seeing photos of Wehrmacht deserters caught by SS field police.

They were hung in batches from trees, and found only hours later by US troops.

There were signs around their necks, but I couldn't make out what they said.

I remember seeing photos of Wehrmacht deserters caught by SS field police.

They were hung in batches from trees, and found only hours later by US troops.

There were signs around their necks, but I couldn't make out what they said.Usually something about treason.

I remember seeing photos of Wehrmacht deserters caught by SS field police.

They were hung in batches from trees, and found only hours later by US troops.

There were signs around their necks, but I couldn't make out what they said.

Barbarians! Any civilised nation would just shoot deserters.

What I find puzzling is how 'enemies' is defined wrt treason. Now, if you have a declared official war, its pretty easy to tell who counts as an enemy, but in situations like the cold war or the war on terror it is all something of a grey area.

Seems pretty clear to me, no "grey area" here. 1, 4, 5, and 8 seem to apply in all cases mentioned above.

en‧e‧my  /ˈɛnəmi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[en-uh-mee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, plural -mies, adjective
–noun
1. a person who feels hatred for, fosters harmful designs against, or engages in antagonistic activities against another; an adversary or opponent.
2. an armed foe; an opposing military force: The army attacked the enemy at dawn.
3. a hostile nation or state.
4. a citizen of such a state.
5. enemies, persons, nations, etc., that are hostile to one another: Let's make up and stop being enemies.
6. something harmful or prejudical: His unbridled ambition is his worst enemy.
7. the Enemy, the Devil; Satan.
–adjective
8. belonging to a hostile power or to any of its nationals: enemy property.