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Link:

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/tony_blair


I say thank god. This guy is nothing but a lap dog for W. He's not a real Labour person just another faker like Bill C. We really need to get a party for both nations that represent real liberal-left change not just capitalism light.

Link:

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/tony_blair


I say thank god. This guy is nothing but a lap dog for W. He's not a real Labour person just another faker like Bill C. We really need to get a party for both nations that represent real liberal-left change not just capitalism light.

What's wrong with Capitalism light? It creates jobs and wealth and promotes technological progress without the side effects of totally lassais faire capitalism.

What's wrong with Capitalism light? It creates jobs and wealth and promotes technological progress without the side effects of totally lassais faire capitalism.

plus it is fat free...

He will never resign!

I don't know if Brown will really be any better. I have to read more about him and his policies etc. He just doesn't strike me as a leader. Just cos he is the next in line doesn't mean he should get the office of the PM....now only if they had elections for the monarchy..I can see it now a Big Brother style competition!

He will never resign!

I don't know if Brown will really be any better. I have to read more about him and his policies etc. He just doesn't strike me as a leader. Just cos he is the next in line doesn't mean he should get the office of the PM....now only if they had elections for the monarchy..I can see it now a Big Brother style competition!

Most britons don't like him. they see him as a lap dog for W. My aunt hates him but I think she's a member of the Conservative party. I actually wouldn't mind if the Lib Dems got into power to stop the UK from being the US's bitch.

Yeah the last 25 years have been a real technlogical wonder years. Personal computers were invented in the 1970's. Comparativly we actually gone backwards in the last 25 years. Between the 50's and early 70's was the golden age of tech advancment.

And just about all of that development happened in nations with more or less capitalist systems. China and the Soviet Union didn't really invent much, did they? Sure the Soviets got a guy and a satelite into space first, but who landed on the moon? Who's robots are still roving the surface of Mars? Capitalism is kind of a driving force behind progress.

I believe Tony Blair should serve out as much of his term as possible. No point in handing the reins to Gordon Brown until the national election.

In my personal opinion Brown would not fit into the position of party leader very well. He's a very good Chancellor of the Exchequer especially when it comes to inflation. The Pound Sterling is a strong currency compared to the Euro and the Dollar and has been for several years. However, he just doesn't seem to be a leader to me. He isn't particularly charismatic, for one thing.

Most britons don't like him. they see him as a lap dog for W. My aunt hates him but I think she's a member of the Conservative party. I actually wouldn't mind if the Lib Dems got into power to stop the UK from being the US's bitch.

I don't think the lib dems would really stop being the US's bitch, they may stop Bush screwing the UK but he will still want a bit every now and again!

Only way to stop the lap dog effect: Put a Communist in Charge!

And just about all of that development happened in nations with more or less capitalist systems. Capitalism is kind of a driving force behind progress.

Mostly 50/50. Blair really is more center-right. Social liberal with lassie-faire capitailsm. The US/UK during the 50's-70's was mostly center to center-left.

My point is I think the UK needs to find another party right now.
I don't think the lib dems would really stop being the US's bitch, they may stop Bush screwing the UK but he will still want a bit every now and again!

Only way to stop the lap dog effect: Put a Communist in Charge!


I prefer the Green Pary. I have freinds who are communists but I am hesitant to think that it wouldn't become a dictatorship. I am however a socialist.

I've translated his speech:

"The first thing I'd like to do is to apologise actually, on behalf of the Labour party for the last week, which, with everything that's been going on back here and in the world, has not been our finest hour, to be frank."

Translation: This hasn't been Gordon's finest hour, but if I apologise for what he's done then I'll look good.

"But I think what is important now is that we understand that it's the interests of the country that come first and we move on."

Translation: I think we should forget about this and move on - my job comes first.

"Now, as for my timing and date of departure, I would have preferred to do this in my own way, but it has been pretty obvious from what many of my Cabinet colleagues have said earlier in the week."

Translation: Those traitors have forced me to make an announcement.

"The next party conference in a couple of weeks will be my last party conference as party leader."

Translation: Hopefully I'll survive until the end of the conference.

"The next TUC conference next week will be my last TUC, probably to the relief of both of us."

Translation: Remind me again why I still have to talk to the unions?

"But I am not going to set a precise date now. I don't think that's right."

Translation: I'm going to hang on as long as possible.

"I will do that at a future date and I'll do it in the interests of the country and, depending on the circumstances, of the time."

Translation: I'll only give a day's notice of my resignation so Gordon won't be prepared.

"Now, that doesn't in any way take away from the fact that it's my last conference, but I think the precise timetable has to be left up to me and has got to be done in a proper way."

Translation: Don't think you traitors will be able to tell me when to go.

"Now, I'll also say one other thing after the last week."

Translation: Now I want to talk about how great a Prime Minister I am.

"I think it's important for the Labour party to understand, and I think the majority of people in the party do understand, that it's the public that comes first and it's the country that matters, and we can't treat the public as irrelevant bystanders in a subject as important as who is their prime minister."

Translation: Everyone loves me, so don't try to get rid of me.

"So we should just bear that in mind in the way we conduct ourselves in the time to come."

Translation: Act like you love me too.

"And in the meantime, I think it's important that we get on with the business."

Translation: Can we please stop talking about me going?

"I mean, I was at a primary school earlier."

Translation: I mean, primary schools are now businesses.

"Fantastic new buildings. Great new IT suite. School results improving."

Translation: It took a while, but we managed to track down one that was doing well.

"I'm here at this school that just in the last few years has come on leaps and bounds, doing fantastically well."

Translation: The school is now as good as it was when we came to power.

"We've got the blockade on the Lebanon lifted, today."

Translation: We let the Israelis lift the blockade when they felt like it.

"You know, there are important things going on in the world."

Translation: Report on foreign things, not rumours about me being about to quit.

"And I think I speak for all my Cabinet colleagues when I say that we would prefer to get on with those things because those are the things that really matter and really matter to the country."

Translation: All the remaining Cabinet members like me, so stop saying they want me to quit.

"So it's, as I say, it's been a somewhat difficult week but I think it's time now to move on and I think we will."

Translation: Seriously, stop going on about this now.

"And I know you've got reams of questions but I don't think it's very sensible for me to go into them now."

Translation: Shut up.

Yeah the last 25 years have been a real technlogical wonder years. Personal computers were invented in the 1970's. Comparativly we actually gone backwards in the last 25 years. Between the 50's and early 70's was the golden age of tech advancment.

What do you mean we have gone backwards technology wise in the last 25 years?

A few examples of new inventions:
CD, DvDs
Mobile phones
Genetics
WWW

some improvements and refinements
Lasers (now reach petawatt power and femtosecond pulse lengths)
Super computers now reaching petaflops processing
Data storage (same tech) but massive increase in capacity and efficency

I believe Tony Blair should serve out as much of his term as possible. No point in handing the reins to Gordon Brown until the national election.

In my persoal opinion Brown would not fit into the position of Prime minister very well. He's a very good Chancellor of the Exchequer especially when it comes to inflation. The Pound Sterling is a strong currency compared to the Euro and the Dollar and has been for several years. However, he just doesn't seem to be a leader to me. He isn't particularly charismatic, for one thing.

Yeah.. Personality.. That's what you need to run a country..

And just about all of that development happened in nations with more or less capitalist systems. China and the Soviet Union didn't really invent much, did they? Sure the Soviets got a guy and a satelite into space first, but who landed on the moon? Who's robots are still roving the surface of Mars? Capitalism is kind of a driving force behind progress.

Not really, Soviets and Chinese just had different priorities, putting a man on the moon wasn't high on their list of things to do. Capitalism isn't the force behind progress, human curiosity is, capitalism speeds things up. Capitalists see potential to make a buck from someone else's ideas.

My point is I think the UK needs to find another party right now.



I pefer the Green Pary. I have freinds who are communists but I am hesitant to think that it wouldn't become a dictatorship. I am however a socialist.

What are the options? The Lib Dems, who'd ruin the UK's economy, or the Tories who are just like New Labour? Oh, maybe the BNP, they might kick out all of the jews and muslims!

Trilby63;11650277']Yeah.. Personality.. That's what you need to run a country..

Well it's certainly not the only thing you need, but it's important.

I can't wait untill he goes, he has been dragging this out too long.

Attempted to combine high taxation with a capitalist like attitude and so right royally screwed everyone but the most poorest and the super rich.

I believe Tony Blair should serve out as much of his term as possible. No point in handing the reins to Gordon Brown until the national election.

In my persoal opinion Brown would not fit into the position of Prime minister very well. He's a very good Chancellor of the Exchequer especially when it comes to inflation. The Pound Sterling is a strong currency compared to the Euro and the Dollar and has been for several years. However, he just doesn't seem to be a leader to me. He isn't particularly charismatic, for one thing.

Hitler was charimatic. We as voters do it to ourselves when we vote for flashy types with nice smiles over competent statesmen with bad teeth and no personalities.

What are the options? The Lib Dems, who'd ruin the UK's economy, or the Tories who are just like New Labour? Oh, maybe the BNP, they might kick out all of the jews and muslims!

The UK does have a Green Party. Yes I know it's kinda small like the US Greens but maybe it will grow in the next couple of years. The Labour party certianly has gone more right since the days of the Fabian Society (http://www.fabian-society.org.uk/int.asp)

What do you mean we have gone backwards technology wise in the last 25 years?

A few examples of new inventions:
CD, DvDs
Mobile phones
Genetics
WWW

some improvements and refinements
Lasers (now reach petawatt power and femtosecond pulse lengths)
Super computers now reaching petaflops processing
Data storage (same tech) but massive increase in capacity and efficency

He's griping about the lack of paradigm shifts, which is beyond comical, those tend to happen no more than once or twice a century.

The UK does have a Green Party. Yes I know it's kinda small like the US Greens but maybe it will grow in the next couple of years. The Labour party certianly has gone more right since the days of the Fabian Society (http://www.fabian-society.org.uk/int.asp)

Which, in my opinion, is an absolutely excellent change.

Hitler was charimatic. We as voters do it to ourselves when we vote for flashy types with nice smiles over competent statesmen with bad teeth and no personalities.

I'm just stating that amongst other things you need to be charismatic if you want to attract peoples votes. Just because you're competent doesn't mean you'll win an election.

He's griping about the lack of paradigm shifts, which is beyond comical, those tend to happen no more than once or twice a century.

Ok, I mis-understood. Though wasn't the last paradigm shift with the Thatcher/Reagan period when monetorism was the philosphy. Completely different to the 50-70s period politics wise.

He's griping about the lack of paradigm shifts, which is beyond comical, those tend to happen no more than once or twice a century.

Hmm true Adaluciae. Contrary to what people believe the dark and middle ages actually brought new techs in warfare, farming etc.. It wan't until the renaissance that thought and enlightenment . The begining of the new society, new ideas, the lost of the Catholic church's power. We are right now in situation similar to late Roman ages. (Declining society, education etc)

Which, in my opinion, is an absolutely excellent change.

Which part? Greens or Labour?

I'm just stating that amongst other things you need to be charismatic if you want to attract peoples votes. Just because you're competent doesn't mean you'll win an election.

I understand, but it's wrong, the people are stupid. If you are a CEO and you have to hire someone for your R&D department, what do you really want? Someone who does well in the interview or someone who can do the job.

Hmm true Adaluciae. Contrary to what people believe the dark and middle ages actually brought new techs in warfare, farming etc.. It wan't until the renaissance that thought and enlightenment . The begining of the new society, new ideas, the lost of the Catholic church's power. We are right now in situation similar to late Roman ages. (Declining society, education etc)

One really cannot know what sort of era they're in until that era is over.


Which part? Greens or Labour?

The rightward move of Labour. The Greens would crush the economy even more than the Lib Dems.

I understand, but it's wrong, the people are stupid. If you are a CEO and you have to hire someone for your R&D department, what do you really want? Someone who does well in the interview or someone who can do the job.

Of course you really want the guy who can do the job, but when it comes to elections in a democracy, the electorate can be very shallow, and so opt for the more charismatic politician over the competent one.

A lot of people in Britain see the new conservative leader David Cameron as being the younger, more charismatic candidate.

Gordon Brown is the older man who seems to be better suited to running the treasury than the country. He has experience, but chances are people will be tired of Labour in general after Blair, and as there is the "Two-party" mindset where it's either Tory or Labour, people may vote Tory despite Brown's experience and competence.

David Cameron is a bloody idiot, but I can still see a lot of bigger idiots voting his party into the majority.

Lib Dems haven't a chance. Menzies is too old and unrecognisable to be taken seriously.

One really cannot know what sort of era they're in until that era is over.




The rightward move of Labour. The Greens would crush the economy even more than the Lib Dems.

Except in Dennmark and Norway?


You might as well go back to voting for the Conservatives. Labour has gutted most of the programs in the UK and if the Conservatives get back the'll gut the rest. It's like over here there's no real difference between a Repub and a Dem. They're diffrent heads of the same monster. I would rather have a 3 party system that consists of the Green, Prog-Dems, and the Lib-Dems.

Of course you really want the guy who can do the job, but when it comes to elections in a democracy, the electorate can be very shallow, and so opt for the more charismatic politician over the competent one.

A lot of people in Britain see the new conservative leader David Cameron as being the younger, more charismatic candidate.

Gordon Brown is the older man who seems to be better suited to running the treasury than the country. He has experience, but chances are people will be tired of Labour in general after Blair, and as there is the "Two-party" mindset where it's either Tory or Labour, people may vote Tory despite Brown's experience and competence.

David Cameron is a bloody idiot, but I can still see a lot of bigger idiots voting his party into the majority.

Lib Dems haven't a chance. Menzies is too old and unrecognisable to be taken seriously.


LOL there's a pic in a paper saying that David is just Tony with a new face inplant. It's weird reading David's bio saying that he's a "Compassionate Conservative" Yeah kind of like old Bushie!!!

LOL there's a pic in a paper saying that David is just Tony with a new face inplant. It's weird reading David's bio saying that he's a "Compassionate Conservative" Yeah kind of like old Bushie!!!

Would this paper happen to be "The Sun"?

Of course you really want the guy who can do the job, but when it comes to elections in a democracy, the electorate can be very shallow, and so opt for the more charismatic politician over the competent one.

A lot of people in Britain see the new conservative leader David Cameron as being the younger, more charismatic candidate.

Gordon Brown is the older man who seems to be better suited to running the treasury than the country. He has experience, but chances are people will be tired of Labour in general after Blair, and as there is the "Two-party" mindset where it's either Tory or Labour, people may vote Tory despite Brown's experience and competence.

David Cameron is a bloody idiot, but I can still see a lot of bigger idiots voting his party into the majority.

Lib Dems haven't a chance. Menzies is too old and unrecognisable to be taken seriously.


I agree that Cameron is a complete idiot, it seems everytime he makes an announcement he finds a new way of making me hate him even more. I am a natural tory supporter but he is making me reconsider that though I have no idea who to vote for as Labour, Lib dems, Greens policies I generally hate (Greens and lib dems because they would mess up the economy currently). UKip go too far on the EU even for me (I want free trade etc but minimum political merging).

I disagree that Gordan Brown has done well, in my view the economy has just about kept ticking despite his meddling and taxes. The one thing I totally agreed with Gordan Brown was giving interest rate decisions to the Bank of England and the thing I have hated the most was him removing the tax relief on pension funds which has made a bad situation into a much worst one in terms of pensions.

Finally. Perhaps we can now have a Labour prime minister for a change.

Would this paper happen to be "The Sun"?

A magazine called Privaite Eye. Link (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/PrivateEyecover1147-Blair-Cameron-face-transplant.jpg)

my Aunt & Uncle read the Daily Mail which is guess would make them other Conservative or Liberal Dem.

Finally. Perhaps we can now have a Labour prime minister for a change.

Depends on who you define as truly "Labour". The socialist elements of the Labour Party or Gordon Brown?

A magazine called Privaite Eye. Link (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/PrivateEyecover1147-Blair-Cameron-face-transplant.jpg)

my Aunt & Uncle read the Daily Mail which is guess would make them other Conservative or Liberal Dem.

Oh! Private Eye! Brilliant magazine. My brother has a subscription.

I assumed it was "The Sun" since they have a habit of using tacky doctored photos in their paper.

Where is the option for "now?"

The way things have gone the last month, politically he is mortally wounded.

What leader is going to hang around for 9 months, limited by his own followers to ticking off each day on the calendar?

He has no support. What is happening right now, is effectively a parliamentary vote of no confidence, without the procedure even having to be invoked.

It's over. The question is, how strong is his denial, how much dignity is he willing to lose?

Will he, like Thatcher, cry?

my Aunt & Uncle read the Daily Mail which is guess would make them other Conservative or Liberal Dem.

That would be Conservative.

The way things have gone the last month, politically he is mortally wounded.

What leader is going to hang around for 9 months, limited by his own followers to ticking off each day on the calendar?

He has no support. What is happening right now, is effectively a parliamentary vote of no confidence, without the procedure even having to be invoked.

It's over. The question is, how strong is his denial, how much dignity is he willing to lose?

Will he, like Thatcher, cry?


Poor Maggie.. at least she put up a proper fight, though..

He shouldn't resign, he should stay on and let New Labour end up as New Old Labour, Old Old Labour, Old New Labour and New New Labour.

He shouldn't resign, he should stay on and let New Labour end up as New Old Labour, Old Old Labour, Old New Labour and New New Labour.

NOOOOOOOO, the labour party is giving birth to ospring run for the hills :p

Depends on who you define as truly "Labour". The socialist elements of the Labour Party or Gordon Brown?

That would be not Gordon Brown. Tony Benn all the way!

The way things have gone the last month, politically he is mortally wounded.

What leader is going to hang around for 9 months, limited by his own followers to ticking off each day on the calendar?

He has no support. What is happening right now, is effectively a parliamentary vote of no confidence, without the procedure even having to be invoked.

It's over. The question is, how strong is his denial, how much dignity is he willing to lose?

Will he, like Thatcher, cry?


Thats why I think he should resign in December. He's had a good time but now someone else should take over for him. He's just a weak lap-dog for W. The War in Iraq is going bad and the healthcare system is awful.

That would be not Gordon Brown. Tony Benn all the way!

I want a leader that hasn't passed its sell-by date...

I want a leader that hasn't passed its sell-by date...

Well, that bars both, I think...

The rightward move of Labour. The Greens would crush the economy even more than the Lib Dems.

Greens policies I generally hate (Greens and lib dems because they would mess up the economy currently).


The only reason people think that is because right now the price of hydrocarbons is still relatively cheap. Nuke is too dangerous and risks the danger of meltdown. One the price goes up more the idea of renewable energy will become better. Plus Labour & Democrats(USA) are just parties for rich elitists. They have both abandoned the poor and the working class population. I would think now that housing in the UK is so expensive someone would try to change it. I mean 500,000 pounds for a two bedroom home. Sheesh :confused:

Well, that bars both, I think...

Let's buy a new one!

Also, how long have hydrocarbons been cheap!?

About 150-250 years (Coal, Oil, Gas)

I want a leader that hasn't passed its sell-by date...

Are there any potential leaders that haven't passed their sell-by date?

Are there any potential leaders that haven't passed their sell-by date?

That's why we're all having to face the horrible possibility of David Cameron as Prime minister of Britain.

That's why we're all having to face the horrible possibility of David Cameron as Prime minister of Britain.

Well lets hope he's not like the Iron Lady. Doesn't suprise me that he's being portrayed as Dave The Chameleon (http://www.davethechameleon.com/). Sounds like he flip-flops as much as John Kerry.(Who I hated) Like I said while I not sure aboutl thier policies I think I would rather have the Lib-Dems in office than the two main parties.

How about Simon Hughes (http://www.simonhughes.org.uk/) as PM?

Well lets hope he's not like the Iron Lady. Doesn't suprise me that he's being portrayed as Dave The Chameleon (http://www.davethechameleon.com/). Souds like he flip-flops as much as John Kerry.(Who I hated) Like I said while I don't perticular like their policies I think I would rather have the Lib-Dems in office than the two main parties.

John Kerry never flip-flopped once. But that's for another time, another thread.

Simon Hughes... Interesting... Better Liberal candidate than Menzies at any rate.

Simon Hughes... Interesting... Better Liberal candidate than Menzies at any rate.


Menzies isn't that another name for Aunt Flow?

Yeah I have read most of the Lib-Dem party site and it seems good enough and Simon looks charasmatic enough to be PM. Maybe the only thing is that he's outed himself as a bisexual that might not go well with people like my aunt and uncle.

Menzies isn't that another name for Aunt Flow?

Yeah I have read most of the Lib-Dem party site and it seems good enough and Simon looks charasmatic enough to be PM. Maybe the only thing is that he's outed himself as a bisexual that might not go well with people like my aunt and uncle.

Well at least he's honest about his sexuality, considering his position. You have to admire that.

The only reason people think that is because right now the price of hydrocarbons is still relatively cheap. Nuke is too dangerous and risks the danger of meltdown. One the price goes up more the idea of renewable energy will become better. Plus Labour & Democrats(USA) are just parties for rich elitists. They have both abandoned the poor and the working class population. I would think now that housing in the UK is so expensive someone would try to change it. I mean 500,000 pounds for a two bedroom home. Sheesh :confused:

Nucleur power is not too dangerous, though that is for another thread another time.

I agree that the housing situation in the UK is getting ridculous with no parties really trying to stop this. Labours solution was to pave over the whole of the south of England rather than properly encourage brownfield sites and developement outside the south of England. The journalists are also partly responsible for the unresponsiveness of the parties to this issue as they are always reporting sky rocketing house prices as good news (most being house owners and therefore biased in that direction) and soon as house price rises start to slow they start doom mongering.

Nucleur power is not too dangerous, though that is for another thread another time.

I agree that the housing situation in the UK is getting ridculous with no parties really trying to stop this. Labours solution was to pave over the whole of the south of England rather than properly encourage brownfield sites and developement outside the south of England. The journalists are also partly responsible for the unresponsiveness of the parties to this issue as they are always reporting sky rocketing house prices as good news (most being house owners and therefore biased in that direction) and soon as house price rises start to slow they start doom mongering.


Drake and Dragon: What do you think about what I said about the Liberal Democrats being a better choice for the UK? they at least seem to want change something. The UK defintly needs to improve healthcare, transportation, education and housing.

Well at least he's honest about his sexuality, considering his position. You have to admire that. I admire him and think he's kinda cute. No people like my aunt probaly would hate him for that.

Sooner rather than later would be best.

I'm off on a march in Manchester on the 23rd, that's gonna be a laugh.

Also wondering if sitting outside the Party Conference while it's on and just booing in a pantomime stylee for 48 hours straight will get the point across.

Get the Lib Dems in power. Sharpish.

my Aunt & Uncle read the Daily Mail which is guess would make them other Conservative or Liberal Dem.
Very, very Conservative.

Nothing to do with the Lib Dems at all, the Mail.

Always said he'd go in May next year. He's after the 10 years mark, and nothing more.

It's a shame to think that the most powerful man in the country is putting his own personal milestone before the best interests of the country, but then, in fairness, why is this different from any other point in the last nine years?

I agree with you guys. We need a Lid Dem government. It's the only possible alternative to the Tories and Labour. The Greens and the other smaller parties don't stand a chance right now.

If only we could get rid of Menzies though...

I agree with you guys. We need a Lid Dem government. It's the only possible alternative to the Tories and Labour. The Greens and the other smaller parties don't stand a chance right now.

If only we could get rid of Menzies though...

A Lib Dem Government. :D

How amusing. Yes, let's be governed by a party who elected an alcoholic followed by an ancient Chinese vase. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone rule the country.

A Lib Dem Government. :D

How amusing. Yes, let's be governed by a party who elected an alcoholic followed by an ancient Chinese vase. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, let alone rule the country.

Being a little shallow aren't we?

Being a little shallow aren't we?

You could go to the depths of the oceans and you'd still fail to find any decent Lib Dem policies.

You could go to the depths of the oceans and you'd still fail to find any decent Lib Dem policies.

Yes. Because Blair and Cameron dived down and found a Davy Jones locker worth of policies in the Liberal Democrat sea and took them as their own.

Yes. Because Blair and Cameron dived down and found a Davy Jones locker worth of policies in the Liberal Democrat sea and took them as their own.

:rolleyes:

Oh, of course. Tell me again; which one of the Tories or Labour have, or have had in the recent past, a 50p top rate of taxation, a committment to reducing prison numbers by releasing murderers and giving them hugs instead, joining the Euro without giving the British people a say, or combating climate change by taxing business so much they leave the country and go somewhere else instead?

First off he won't resign you pathetic poof. He's not a lap dog for George Bush. So what if they're in Iraq with the U.S., so what it's none of your concern. It's not your war, you're not fighting in the warm and you care why? People fight in that war because they believe good is coming out of that. Let them fight, you can't say that their cause isn't right just because you said so.

And second you need capitalism to survive, without capitalism your economy will turn to dust. Every U.S. is a capitalist country with a bit of socialism, that's how they survive, and that's how they're their economy is the greatest in the world, because government isn't picking on people's businesses. Socialism can't survive without capitalism, because people get to upset how the government is always trying to run their business. It's only poor poofy hippies like you who like socialism, because you have nothing to make of yourself.

-Childish rant-

Don't flame, kiddo.

-SNIP-

People generally respond better to your arguments when you don't call them "poofs". Among other things...

Drake and Dragon: What do you think about what I said about the Liberal Democrats being a better choice for the UK? they at least seem to want change something. The UK defintly needs to improve healthcare, transportation, education and housing.

I admire him and think he's kinda cute. No people like my aunt probaly would hate him for that.

If they tone down their enthusiasm for the EU/euro and promise not to do stupid policies that will severly damage the economy then ok. I could cope with the 50p top rate tax as long as it nevers goes above this and they keep it to the super rich.

If it was local government then I wouldn't mind at all. The tories in my view are usually the best at local government folled closely by the lib dems and far behind them comes labour. Labour is terrible at local government, they are normally the ones with the most stupid/annoying policies and councilours and usually make themselves bankrupt and screw over the local people.

If they tone down their enthusiasm for the EU/euro and promise not to do stupid policies that will severly damage the economy then ok. I could cope with the 50p top rate tax as long as it nevers goes above this and they keep it to the super rich.

If it was local government then I wouldn't mind at all. The tories in my view are usually the best at local government folled closely by the lib dems and far behind them comes labour. Labour is terrible at local government, they are normally the ones with the most stupid/annoying policies and councilours and usually make themselves bankrupt and screw over the local people.

I, myself am on the fence about the EU/Euro. Right now the UK, Ireland and Norway are about the only 3 nations that have a decent economy. Both the UK & Norway are free of the EU/Euro. Ireland because of all the high tech industry. I don't mind real moderate policies as long as they arn't trying to always copy others. New Labour is really center-right.

now. and i think kaczynski should also resign from being president of poland, because with his homophobia and all this agreement with today's USA on how things should be, i consider him to be little more then bush's sock-puppet.

It lacks a "September '06" option.

I doubt he'll resign that soon, that's why I didn't have that as an option.

now. and i think kaczynski should also resign from being president of poland, because with his homophobia and all this agreement with today's USA on how things should be, i consider him to be little more then bush's sock-puppet.

Europe has definatly gone to the Right. Link (http://politicalcompass.jpagel.net/euchart) There's not much you can say about it except it seems similar to what happened in the 30's. The whole political system is disorganized, balkanized and disjointed. People don't seem to be able to make any descions at all now.

From a personal perspective, I am desolated he refuses to contest the next election. The Tory majority it would effect would allow the conservative party to radically alter Britain into a genuinely right wing, responsible and liberated state.

From a personal perspective, I am desolated he refuses to contest the next election. The Tory majority it would effect would allow the conservative party to radically alter Britain into a genuinely right wing, responsible and liberated state.

The day another conservative government is formed in Britain it will be a very sad day indeed. In my opinion.

I'm looking at this funny anti-Blair site: http://www.backingblair.co.uk/

This Video (http://www.backingblair.co.uk/long_shot/) Not over by a long shot is one of the funniest thing i've seen. It's set to the Partridges' "Get happy". Also the spoof of Dave the Chameleon is great. As it points out Blair has done most of the things he's accused Cameron of doing. Hell Blair went to a boarding school to! Hypocrite!!

Well at least he's [Simon Hughes] honest about his sexuality, considering his position. You have to admire that.

Ah, but he had to be nudged into it after years of prevarication after he was about to be outed by the press.

The only reason he survived was that he'd always avoided saying specific about his sexuality and was unmarried, so he couldn't get hit with tabloid charges of hypocrisy (unlike Mark Oaten, the very married LibDem MP who had to admit he'd been paying men for sex).

Not too much of a hypocrisy charge, anyway. There are still those upset with the way Hughes supporters (though not, to the best of my knowledge, Hughes himself) pilloried Labour candidate Peter Tatchell for his sexuality in the election where Hughes was first elected. Though maybe it might be better to say 'anti-Tatchell groups' rather than 'Hughes supporters'.

And yes, I do vote LibDem.

Incidentally, I note that no one who's stated that they believe LibDem policies would 'ruin the economy' have offered any substantive policy evidence to support that claim..... By all means feel free to supply some.

And to the person who snidely noted that the party choosing an alcoholic to lead them as evidence of their general incompetance.... What, like the Tories and Winston Churchill? And Asquith - another Liberal alcoholic - wasn't doing too badly until WWI came along. Which I only note to show how much standards in public life have changed in the last century.

Oh, and May 2007 for Blair. Which doesn't appear to be a poll option.

Well at least he's honest about his sexuality, considering his position. You have to admire that.

He was 'honest' after lying about it for twenty years, including running an anti-gay campaign in a by-election, before being outed by the media. Don't forget that just a few days before this 'honest streak' emerged he was still denying it vehemently.

Respecting him for being 'honest' about his sexuality is not, therefore, something I would ever choose to do.