NationStates Jolt Archive


Oh, Jesus

PsychoticDan
07-09-2006, 16:03
MACON, Georgia (AP) -- President Bush's once-solid relationship with Southern women is on the rocks.

"I think history will show him to be the worst president since Ulysses S. Grant," said Barbara Knight, a self-described Republican since birth and the mother of three. "He's been an embarrassment."

In the heart of Dixie, comparisons to Grant, a symbol of the Union, is the worst sort of insult, especially from a Macon woman who voted for Bush in 2000 but turned away in 2004.

In recent years, Southern women have been some of Bush's biggest fans, defying the traditional gender gap in which women have preferred Democrats to Republicans. Bush secured a second term due in large part to support from 54 percent of Southern female voters while women nationally favored Democrat John Kerry, 51-48 percent.

"In 2004, you saw an utter collapse of the gender gap in the South," said Karen Kaufmann, a professor of government at the University of Maryland who has studied women's voting patterns. White Southern women liked Bush because "he spoke their religion and he spoke their values."

Anger, frustration building
Now, anger over the Iraq war and frustration with the country's direction have taken a toll on the president's popularity and stirred dissatisfaction with the Republican-held Congress.

Republicans on the ballot this November have reason to worry. A recent Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that three out of five Southern women surveyed said they planned to vote for a Democrat in the midterm elections. With control of the Senate and House in the balance, such a seismic shift could have dire consequences for the GOP.

Democrats need to gain 15 seats in the House and six in the Senate to seize control.

In a sign of how crucial races in the South will be to the GOP national strategy, Bush was traveling to Georgia on Thursday to help former Rep. Max Burns raise money in his bid to unseat Democratic Rep. John Barrow. The president also will give a speech in Atlanta.

Knight lives in another congressional district considered competitive. Republicans hope to oust Democratic Rep. Jim Marshall, whose district was redrawn by the GOP-controlled Georgia Legislature to make it more conservative.

Voters like Knight could prove to be spoilers. The 66-year-old real estate agent doesn't particularly like Marshall, a hawkish Democrat and former Army Ranger, but she said she'll vote for him because she likes his conservative Republican opponent, former Rep. Mac Collins, even less.

"I'm going to go for the moderate, and these days that tends to be Democrats," Knight said.

Sandy Rubin, a high school teacher in Macon, voted for Bush and said she's also likely to vote for Marshall. Rubin said the GOP's focus on issues that appeal to social conservatives, such as gay marriage and abortion, have turned her off.

"I care about job security and education. The things I hear the Republicans emphasizing in their campaigns are not things that affect me or my family," said the 39-year-old mother of two.

Women disillusioned with war
The movement of some Southern women away from the Republican Party tracks with national poll results showing that women have become more disillusioned with the war and were more likely than men to list the conflict as the important issue facing the country.

Nationally, the AP-Ipsos poll found that only 28 percent of women approve of Bush's handling of the war. Bush did better in the South, but only slightly -- just 32 percent of women in the region said they approve of his handling of the war.

"I never did understand why we went into Iraq and didn't instead clean up the mess in Afghanistan first," Knight said.

Teresa Cranford, 39, also of Macon, said her support for Bush was lukewarm in 2004, but she ultimately voted for him so he could finish the job in Iraq. As the death toll has risen, so has her discomfort.

"I'm a mother and that makes me think differently about it," Cranford said.

Lynn Hamilton, 44, said she still supports Bush even though her backing for the ongoing war has waned.

"As a mother you worry, 'Am I going to lose my baby boy?"' said the Gray, Georgia, resident. "A mother's view about war is often going to be a lot different than dad's is."

Neither Cranford nor Hamilton has decided how they plan to vote in the midterm elections, although neither ruled out voting for a Democrat.

"I'm not a straight party-line Republican anymore," Cranford said.

Still, some Southern women remain stalwart supporters of the president and the Republican Party. At a watermelon festival in Chickamauga, in the mountains of northwest Georgia, substitute teacher Clydeen Tomanio said she remains committed to the party she's called home for 43 years.

"There are some people, and I'm one of them, that believe George Bush was placed where he is by the Lord," Tomanio said. "I don't care how he governs, I will support him. I'm a Republican through and through."People are scary. :(

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/07/southern.women.ap/index.html

At least some southerners have brains.
Pax dei
07-09-2006, 16:08
I just would like to know what part of her peanut sized brain thought that up?
Drunk commies deleted
07-09-2006, 16:10
Well, since the existence of an antichrist seems to be a prerequisite for the return of Jesus one could argue that Bush was placed there by the Lord.
Andaluciae
07-09-2006, 16:14
Well, since the existence of an antichrist seems to be a prerequisite for the return of Jesus one could argue that Bush was placed there by the Lord.

AmaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaazing!
Maineiacs
07-09-2006, 16:17
"There are some people, and I'm one of them, that believe George Bush was placed where he is by the Lord," Tomanio said. "I don't care how he governs, I will support him. I'm a Republican through and through."

It's official. The country is doomed. The inmates have taken over the asylum.
PsychoticDan
07-09-2006, 16:23
It's official. The country is doomed. The inmates have taken over the asylum.

Well, thankfully, according to the story that woman is in an increasingly small minority. :)
LTPAC
07-09-2006, 16:58
Even as a "christian" I have to shout "CRAZY" at that lady. God may apparently allow leaders to govern, but if Bush is doing God's will then I fear the second coming is right around the corner!

Whatever your political leanings you have to acknowledge the world is not a safer place because of the Bush administration. Whether a different President would have left us an even more volatile world is open to suggestion.

But hailing from the UK I have to admit I watch US politics with a certain amount of disgust, mostly because UK politicians seem hell-bent on ensuring Britain has a system of government as "wrong" as that in the US.
Utracia
07-09-2006, 17:10
So what? As a Republican Bush was placed there by God but when a Democrat is in office they were placed there by Lucifer?
Andaluciae
07-09-2006, 17:13
So what? As a Republican Bush was placed there by God but when a Democrat is in office they were placed there by Lucifer?

Actually democrats are placed there by my high school band director.
Iakenui
07-09-2006, 18:13
People are scary. :(

"I think history will show him to be the worst president since Ulysses S. Grant," said Barbara Knight, a self-described Republican since birth and the mother of three. "He's been an embarrassment."

How did the reporter of this story identify (choose) Ms. Knight..?

Did the reporter simply "yell out" for a Non-Bush Supporting Female of "respectable age"..?

In the heart of Dixie, comparisons to Grant, a symbol of the Union, is the worst sort of insult, especially from a Macon woman who voted for Bush in 2000 but turned away in 2004.

In recent years, Southern women have been some of Bush's biggest fans, defying the traditional gender gap in which women have preferred Democrats to Republicans. Bush secured a second term due in large part to support from 54 percent of Southern female voters while women nationally favored Democrat John Kerry, 51-48 percent.

"In 2004, you saw an utter collapse of the gender gap in the South," said Karen Kaufmann, a professor of government at the University of Maryland who has studied women's voting patterns. White Southern women liked Bush because "he spoke their religion and he spoke their values."

A "professor of government" (leftist) who studied the "voting patterns of women" (MAJOR leftist!).

Suspicious..?

Anger, frustration building
Now, anger over the Iraq war and frustration with the country's direction have taken a toll on the president's popularity and stirred dissatisfaction with the Republican-held Congress.

Republicans on the ballot this November have reason to worry. A recent Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that three out of five Southern women surveyed said they planned to vote for a Democrat in the midterm elections. With control of the Senate and House in the balance, such a seismic shift could have dire consequences for the GOP.

The south will ALWAYS go back to their democrat roots IF the republicans aren't conservative enough.

It's not REPUBLICANISM that "captured" the south, it was "CONSERVATISM",.. and the south has always been very conservative.

The way the republicans will lose the south is by not being conservative enough for the south to stomach.

Democrats need to gain 15 seats in the House and six in the Senate to seize control.

In a sign of how crucial races in the South will be to the GOP national strategy, Bush was traveling to Georgia on Thursday to help former Rep. Max Burns raise money in his bid to unseat Democratic Rep. John Barrow. The president also will give a speech in Atlanta.

Knight lives in another congressional district considered competitive. Republicans hope to oust Democratic Rep. Jim Marshall, whose district was redrawn by the GOP-controlled Georgia Legislature to make it more conservative.

Voters like Knight could prove to be spoilers. The 66-year-old real estate agent doesn't particularly like Marshall, a hawkish Democrat and former Army Ranger, but she said she'll vote for him because she likes his conservative Republican opponent, former Rep. Mac Collins, even less.

"I'm going to go for the moderate, and these days that tends to be Democrats," Knight said.

Once again, this is ONE WOMAN'S opinion, foisted off as "every southern woman's opinion".

Classic. :)

Sandy Rubin, a high school teacher in Macon, voted for Bush and said she's also likely to vote for Marshall. Rubin said the GOP's focus on issues that appeal to social conservatives, such as gay marriage and abortion, have turned her off.

She's a HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER..!!

When was the last time you met a conservative HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER..!?

Yet more cherry-picking, and palming off as "every woman", by the reporter.

"I care about job security and education. The things I hear the Republicans emphasizing in their campaigns are not things that affect me or my family," said the 39-year-old mother of two.

As a teacher, of course she cares most about job security (she's most likely relatively incompetent at her job yet can't be forced from it for merit reasons) and education (which feeds her and her family).

Women disillusioned with war
The movement of some Southern women away from the Republican Party tracks with national poll results showing that women have become more disillusioned with the war and were more likely than men to list the conflict as the important issue facing the country.

Everyone has become "more disillusioned" with the war (because the not conservative enough BUSH Admin has not prosecuted it strongly enough), and therefore it's not surprising that WOMEN (a subset of ALL PEOPLE) are thinking the same way.

It's also NO NEWS that WOMEN (the bearers and protectors of children) are more likely than MEN (the pushers-out-of-the-nest and teach-them-the-rules of children) to see the possibility of their children (by proxy and in reality) being killed in war.

In other words, there is no new information stated in the above paragraph that isn't "common knowledge", and the paragraph serves only to reinforce the reporters "bias" that these women's opinions represent MANY women's opinions.

Nationally, the AP-Ipsos poll found that only 28 percent of women approve of Bush's handling of the war. Bush did better in the South, but only slightly -- just 32 percent of women in the region said they approve of his handling of the war.

Nationally: 28% approval
Southern: 32% approval

So from what number did BUSH slip in approval? Why didn't the reporter include that info?

"I never did understand why we went into Iraq and didn't instead clean up the mess in Afghanistan first," Knight said.

This quote simply illustrates the "brain-power" of Ms. Knight.

If she didn't understand WHY, why didn't she search for an answer to her question of not understanding?

If she didn't have the motivation to get her question answered to her satisfaction, why should I take what she says seriously, and why should I extrapolate her example as representing "southern women"..?

Teresa Cranford, 39, also of Macon, said her support for Bush was lukewarm in 2004, but she ultimately voted for him so he could finish the job in Iraq. As the death toll has risen, so has her discomfort.

"I'm a mother and that makes me think differently about it," Cranford said.

Moms will be Moms..! :)

And she's only "discomforted". Why does the reporter not say, "She won't vote for BUSH because of her discomfort."..?

Because the reporter is not interested in being clear, but getting his/her bias out that "here's another anti-BUSH southern woman", when in fact we don't know how she'd vote.

(( And I rather think the reporter WOULD tell us if she had told him/her that she wouldn't be voting for BUSH. ))

Lynn Hamilton, 44, said she still supports Bush even though her backing for the ongoing war has waned.

"As a mother you worry, 'Am I going to lose my baby boy?"' said the Gray, Georgia, resident. "A mother's view about war is often going to be a lot different than dad's is."

Another statement of the obvious. What new info is presented here?

Neither Cranford nor Hamilton has decided how they plan to vote in the midterm elections, although neither ruled out voting for a Democrat.

"I'm not a straight party-line Republican anymore," Cranford said.

And no one should be a "straight party-line" voter.

Except,.... if your NOT a democrat "straight party-line" voter, you're a traitor and and evil fascist..!!

Goodness,.. it's OK to be a REP who votes for DEMs, but dont' DARE be a DEM who votes for REPs..!!

So,.. who are the fascists..?

At least some southerners have brains.

Yes they do,.. and they vote for the NON-LEFTISTS..!


-Iakeo
The Alma Mater
07-09-2006, 18:21
-Iakeo

I missed your comment on the "Bush was placed there by God" quote - which is the reason for this thread.
Republica de Tropico
07-09-2006, 18:30
I was more impressed by the non-idiots quoted in the article than the quoted idiot.
PsychoticDan
07-09-2006, 19:03
How did the reporter of this story identify (choose) Ms. Knight..?

Did the reporter simply "yell out" for a Non-Bush Supporting Female of "respectable age"..?The story is about how women from the south who voted for Bush before are not voting Republican in the next election. The reporter found a woman who voted for Bush before but will probably not vote Republican in the next election.



A "professor of government" (leftist) who studied the "voting patterns of women" (MAJOR leftist!).

Suspicious..?No.



The south will ALWAYS go back to their democrat roots IF the republicans aren't conservative enough.Or if the stupidity and incompetence of a Republican administration is so blatant it becomes impossible to ignore.

It's not REPUBLICANISM that "captured" the south, it was "CONSERVATISM",.. and the south has always been very conservative.

The way the republicans will lose the south is by not being conservative enough for the south to stomach.Or by having the face of their party, George Bush, appear to be a complete moron.



Once again, this is ONE WOMAN'S opinion, foisted off as "every southern woman's opinion".

Classic. :)No. It was foisted off as representative of a movement of southern women away from the Republican party because of their distaste for the Bush administration which is what the story was about.



She's a HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER..!!

When was the last time you met a conservative HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER..!?Yes. I had several. The one quoted here vote for Bush in the last two elections and is probably more conservative.

Yet more cherry-picking, and palming off as "every woman", by the reporter.No. It's an article about... nevermind...



As a teacher, of course she cares most about job security (she's most likely relatively incompetent at her job yet can't be forced from it for merit reasons) and education (which feeds her and her family).How the Hell could you possibly know anything at all about this person and her competence? At least Bush's incompetence is plain to see. You know nothing about this person at all.



Everyone has become "more disillusioned" with the war (because the not conservative enough BUSH Admin has not prosecuted it strongly enough), and therefore it's not surprising that WOMEN (a subset of ALL PEOPLE) are thinking the same way.The point to the article is that Bush carried southern women in the last two elections and that it looks like his unpopularity will cost the Republicans in the mid-terms. Of course the reporter will spell out the major issues that are causing that shift.

It's also NO NEWS that WOMEN (the bearers and protectors of children) are more likely than MEN (the pushers-out-of-the-nest and teach-them-the-rules of children) to see the possibility of their children (by proxy and in reality) being killed in war. :confused:

In other words, there is no new information stated in the above paragraph that isn't "common knowledge", and the paragraph serves only to reinforce the reporters "bias" that these women's opinions represent MANY women's opinions.According to you in the paragraph above and the approval rating right below it does represent many women.



Nationally: 28% approval
Southern: 32% approvalsee?

So from what number did BUSH slip in approval? Why didn't the reporter include that info?Because that's not the point of the statistic. The reporter is doing exactly what you asked him to do above. He is showing that women in the South disapprove of the Iraq war and that that has a lot to do with why they disapprove of Bush and. by extension, the Republican party.



This quote simply illustrates the "brain-power" of Ms. Knight.

If she didn't understand WHY, why didn't she search for an answer to her question of not understanding?

If she didn't have the motivation to get her question answered to her satisfaction, why should I take what she says seriously, and why should I extrapolate her example as representing "southern women"..?What the woman is saying is that the administration's stated reasons for attacking Iraq in the wake of 9/11 never made sense to her. They don't to me either.


Moms will be Moms..! :)

And she's only "discomforted". Why does the reporter not say, "She won't vote for BUSH because of her discomfort."..?

Because the reporter is not interested in being clear, but getting his/her bias out that "here's another anti-BUSH southern woman", when in fact we don't know how she'd vote.The story is about... nevermind.

(( And I rather think the reporter WOULD tell us if she had told him/her that she wouldn't be voting for BUSH. ))



Another statement of the obvious. What new info is presented here?



And no one should be a "straight party-line" voter.

Except,.... if your NOT a democrat "straight party-line" voter, you're a traitor and and evil fascist..!!

Goodness,.. it's OK to be a REP who votes for DEMs, but dont' DARE be a DEM who votes for REPs..!!

So,.. who are the fascists..?



Yes they do,.. and they vote for the NON-LEFTISTS..!


-Iakeo

Get an education. You are the reason our country is in so much trouble. Please don't vote.